| Ex1, HPX171 successor / opinions?
Question by tatita:
Juni 2009
Hi,
I was about my EX1 to pick but since has not worked, I am now back on superior vl not whether I should wait a bit. White because if someone in the near future an upgrade / successor to one of the two cams will come?
After I pretty fixated on the EX1 was to find the HPX171 now because of the cheaper price and the P2 cards synonymous always interesting. New get it with an E Series 64GB card and 5 (!) Years at least as early as 4,200 ¬ net.
After I have long been only the pros and cons of both cams would be weighing against me this time interested in your opinions.
Currently, I am still a student and do a lot in the direction of extreme sports video. But would like a cam with me to the smaller orders synonymous with what can and will earn quite future-proof bin.
Lg
Answer by jazzy_d:
Have you ever watched the Resolutions of DVCPro HD viewing (http://forum.slashcam.de/hdv-dvc-pro-hd-xdcam-avchd-prores-eine-bersicht-vp360961.html#360961)? Panasonic must still interpolate.
With 960x720 is 720p and 1080i with 1280x1080 recorded.
If you already entscheidungsmässig with warst the EX1 would I need to stay. How fast is probably because nothing new coming. Sony power still yes Experience Tour.
Ev. The new JVC (GY-HM100) with "SonyEX codec (mpeg2 35MBits / s) to normal SDHC cards. Sure there will be synonymous interpolated (chip is 1280x720). JVC makes it seems so good (I've heard something of additional diagonally) that professionals (like Lutz), the Cam as nearly full-FullHD Cam (or so, in spirit) describe. Unfortunately, no "overcranking" for slomos. Caution: not yet available rear camera operation.
Answer by tatita:
Yes, the Panasonic Resolutionder is such a thing. I already have a couple of times with the HVX and filmed this has me not so synonymous hewn from the stool. However, I would have to halt the CCD chips, which are just for sports would be better suited.
The JVC tells me not to. 50p and more Wide Angle Will I already have.
My problem is that this summer I really need a CameraLink but none of the models me 100% response.
The EX1 is equipped super but what worries me a little are just the CMOS chips. HPX speak against the other hand the weak Resolutionund display for the bad I think I would be on the "safe" Page me. And if in a year then my dream come Cam could I do so then, hopefully without too much loss, to sell.
Would stop me your opinions about this interesting!
Lg
Answer by Chezus:
The dream-camera is so named because it is only in a dream;)
The next step will not even appear on next year ...
I'm waiting synonymous far too long darau;)
Purchase my the end of the month, the EX 1
Sonyeröffnet Promo seemingly coming to an offer. Instead with 2x 8GB is with a 32GB card and exactly on the I waited
Answer by Bernd E.:
... The JVC tells me not to. 50p ... I will already have ...
JVC HDV was already too big-time supporter of the 720p50 format, as times go, I believe that the HM100 is also controlled.
Answer by tatita:
The dream-camera is so named because it is only in a dream;)
The next step will not even appear on next year ...
I'm waiting synonymous far too long darau;)
Yes, I think that now is synonymous already. Wollt just know if the next time something is announced what it is worth to wait.
@ Chezus:
Where do you buy them because now or how much it cost them with the promo?
@ Bernd E.
I've just Slashcam compatriots here and there is 50i/60i ...
Lg [/ list]
Answer by jazzy_d:
Of course, the HM-100 3 piece 1 / 4 inch CCD 720p50 and can (and are native, have already heard of the EX1 users were not satisfied of its 50p because it is expected to be down at 1920x1080 chips). Sure, the WW is better, but yes, there synonymous good lens.
Answer by Bernd E.:
... just had to Slashcam compatriots here and there is 50i/60i ...
Actually! This index to the European HM100 only HDV (but synonymous in 60i) and the U.S. only XDCAM EX ... There is someone to write the list, but come skidding into arg! What format the camera can really, you can find here: http://www.jvcpro.de/jpe/de/global/product.3207.140.html
Answer by B.DeKid:
Waiting for a new model of the Canon XL series of ... good for the series has always been good for extreme sports, aka sports.
We have already tested ziegfach .... the former or current XM XH series was synonymous is always very cool because some shots for better handling aka small halt at almost the same options.
Shoot, we do so amongst sk8 InLine SM MX BMX MTB Surf Ski and Snowboard matters.
And if you prefer the EX EX3 because it brings you the option to change the Lenses (pronounced WW good lenses to use, many recording conditions are as below with the best choice has been found.)
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: I think in the first quarter of 2010 is Canon then .... as far as I'm very excited. Until then we stop dreaming still NEN bissel ;-)
Answer by Chezus:
The Ex1 with 32GB cards will cost 5.750, - Euro net + shipping
Elsewhere usually s.5.500 euro upwards. When you consider that the 32GB cards are still around 1000 euros net cost is already a bargain, now that the price they have tightened screw.
the offer is not yet online, habs learned by chance.
I'll tell you where you get the offer as soon as I have my order confirmation;)
Answer by pailes:
Currently, I am still a student and do a lot in the direction of extreme sports video. But would like a cam with me to the smaller orders synonymous with what can and will earn quite future-proof bin.
I film of extreme sports with the little sister of HPX (HMC-151E) and find the Camera echt klasse. 720p/50 traumhaft is unnecessary and razor sharp. In 1080p, the camera could be sharper, but that does not bother me.
Answer by tatita:
@ Bernd E.:
Thanks for the link, werd ich mir mal handsome.
@ B. DeKid:
I myself own a XM2 with which I am fairly satisfied, just talk to me momantenen Canon models are not particularly interested in. By 2010 it's been a while and I would just like to have something for this summer. But on the new Canon, I am already excited synonymous;)
The EX3 is certainly not bad but the cost factor compared to the EX1 is me as simply too small. Above all, would be synonymous to halt again quite large ...
Have you already been filmed with the EX1? Did you have problems with it at very fast shots?
@ Chezus:
Yes, it is clear;) thank you
Lg
Answer by B.DeKid:
Nee I have with the EX 1 itself has not rotated, but times have you seen in use but only outside of an event ... can be unless you say, but think you have a high synonymous Camera represents. Whether you through your CMOS chips do not use recordings for sollche I doubt it but times strong.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: Canon has not really something new, the past few years on the market in the segment where I would really have to wait. When the XH A1 and XL H1 came out again so did all the other cameras of this rather old, if I do not think you will disappoint us ;-)
PS2: The HF100 I this year but already seen on some event, which shines through Crank NEN hype right to have developed small ;-) good quality cheap, what more could you want ;-) The whole now only tick NEN bigger and with more options that would be quite nice.
Answer by tatita:
Yes, let's see. Crank came in the XH A1 is not used? The EX1, I had only 2 times briefly in the hand because I had no problems regarding synonymous CMOS noticed. The people with whom I've talked about it, nothing bad had synonymous reported. Ich würd halt MTB Donwhill so often want to film that is very fast movements with many vertical lines (trees). Would like to get feedback of someone so similar to the filming.
Lg
Answer by fußpflege:
The EX1 is already in the field of super resolution, Lowlight and Features. You can also cheap storage medium with the SD card adapter to use. But those who move fast, fast pans, flashes or mounted on cars to make recordings, should be aware of the rolling shutter artifacts clearly.
HPX in any case before the HVX. Is cheaper, has more features and on the tape drive, you can forgo increasingly synonymous.
HMC 151 does not tend, as the beautiful HVX / HPX features such as over or under-shoot are not possible and everything is heavily compressed (; just synonymous chrominance, if you want Keyen).
Gruß,
Silvan
Answer by tatita:
The HD-SDI Out s.der HPX brings me synonymous not so much because the chip is simply not dissolve higher, right? 4:2:2 I get but also because of the P2 cards will be yes I think only 4:2:0 written?
Lg
Answer by krokymovie:
on p2 card in each case 4:2:2 color aufgezeihnet, that is one of the advantages compared to the ex.
gruß
Answer by tatita:
Ah, ok. The times has someone told me but I do not believe habs. If only the question of how much the Prxis brings ...
Lg
Answer by krokymovie:
If only the question of how much the Prxis brings ...
Lg
dual color, compared with the ex. what you then it makes it, is up to you.
example: hvx 200 schau mal an
gruß krokymovie
Answer by Manuell:
@ krokymovie
The video has been rotated with the HVX200?
Looks good.
mfg
Manuel
Answer by Clemensch:
@ tatita
This video has been synonymous with an EX1 filmed! I know because I was ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5IG8FCeYc
The slow motion here with a HVX200 (720/50P)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VGbAOOEego
schöne grüße
Clemens
Answer by pailes:
The slow motion here with a HVX200 (720/50P)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VGbAOOEego
Because I must oppose the Lakai Fully Flared Intro was never filmed with an HVX. They were not guaranteed 50 or 60 frames per second, 100 or 120 would be even more realistic because that is what would be more for the Red One.
With 720p/50 you can do something:
http://www.vimeo.com/2384547
But the Lakai video is more in the style:
http://vimeo.com/1340684
Answer by WideScreen:
for more information:
DVC PRO HD, also known s.DVCPRO100, uses four parallel codecs and a recorded video bitrate of 100 Mbit / s. DVC PRO HD encoder using 4:2:2 color sampling.
DVC PRO HD horizontally compress recorded images to 1440x1080 for 1080/50i.
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The PMW-EX1 camcorder which exhibited s.the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) 2007 show. It uses S.4: 2:0 MPEG-2 Long GOP codec when recording to solid-state SxS memory cards, but is 4:2:2 internally and a full 4:2:2 signal is present on the HD-SDI out connection. The codec is employed s.either 25 MBit / s CBR for SP mode (1440x1080), or 35 Mbps for VBR HQ mode (1920x1080).
Answer by Chezus:
Conclusion: Both cams are great. It is but in the end it s.with which cam is better to work with. Personally, I'm thrilled of the ex 1 The lens with manual aperture ring and "real" focus ring me at some s.wochende current job market.
Also the lcd display was what it promises. Whether the sun it seems, or changing conditions prevailed, I could always see everything.
The rotatable hand is a gimmick which I always like to use.
The HPX is synonymous only super I have with the ex already inserted. Powermac sets zb From beginning s.auf Pana I on the other hand, Sony
Who makes the best videos will decide not the cam.
Take the camera, the s.besten for you to act.
Answer by tatita:
Yes because you have quite yet, it's at an important decision for me. I think I'm going to get nearly the HPX, since I've come a lot cheaper and which can be more money in Zubehöh invest.
Lg
Answer by Chezus:
Hab grad my AB to get EX 1
5750 euros net incl 32GB card at schnittpunkt.de
However, currently only available on request
Answer by tatita:
Yes, that sounds synonymous not bad although I use the 32GB card would not necessarily need ...
Lg
Answer by Chezus:
Thought one of your reasons for buying the HPX would be favorable 64GB card?
naja, mir isses ja no preference, I myself have already decided;)
I need the 32GB card because I often take long shots s.Stück. Apart from this annoying it when the cards very often must be empty if you diligently s.drehen grad is
Will you just tip my comment
Answer by Fenek:
what worries me a little are just the CMOS chips
Rolling Shutter?
and who has been in sports 30 sec recording time on its V-Camera to wait: P
It was once synonymous my absolute dream,
I'm still on the XH-A1 started.
cool price, and a wide Comunity Cam-performance fully satisfy my needs may be.
Real Dream-Cams's probably really rather just in a dream: D
PS:
There is absolutely nothing against a little "stale" technology.
Degrees on the Sony Road Show was synonymous fairness of the disadvantages of Sonyerwähnt. (; 30 sec startup / Rolling shutter)
Even though it hardly gerrne read / wants to hear.
Answer by B.DeKid:
When buying accessories NEN EWA Marine Back ... and handicrafts made of Plexiglas and wood still NEN Case ;-) Can such interventions always good to use.
Oh yes and rubber straps and belts Cheap tripods plus carbine ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
AND PELI cases for everything from the laptop, the camera, to toothbrush ;-) (So Putzmaterial small stuff and so) Are the really worth your money! ;-)
Also poncho or better landing mat in order the things synonymous times on the floor can be.
That is, the ne unhooking mat http://shop.friedfischen.de/AbhakmattenWiegeschlingen/FOX-Stalker-Unhooking-Mat--135.html are pretty cool, I've already synonymous penner need it, since I've always been a with this ;-)
Answer by KrischanDO:
...
Degrees on the Sony Road Show was synonymous fairness of the disadvantages of Sonyerwähnt. (30 sec startup / Rolling shutter)
Just tried several times: 9 (nine) seconds before recording.
Thus, I can live well.
Description: Perhaps Sonymal a bow with adhesive label is available. :-(
Regards
Christian
Answer by tatita:
@ Chezus:
Yes, the Panasonic has. When I would Ex1 but mainly on third set of cards. 1-2 original 8GB I would be enough if I need more time but I could always borrow more.
@ BeDeKid:
Thanks for the tips! EWA bag and wooden box but it is clear what the straps and Cheap Tripods?
We are always busy grad s.basteln a CableCam, but unfortunately it is just not as easy as it might look ...
I'm in the moment just so out-and hergerissen between the two cams. With the HVX, I can film the next weeks and the EX1, I will I think just for a day out and with in the mountains take. Are we near halt quite expensive (90 ¬) but better then than I am dissatisfied with my cam.
Lg
Answer by Chezus:
Leih they stop you on dv-out over the weekend kameraverleih.de
120 Euro gross power of Friday delivery from Monday to dispatch
Answer by Leini:
Hello,
I have a HPX171.
One of the main arguments for this was, inter alia, the 5-year warranty and the enormous diversity of format. (I was still synonymous important 4:3 DV)
Not to be forgotten between the HPX un EX1 are about 1500 euro price difference. The HPX 64GB with about 5000 euros and the gross EX1 with 8GB card about 6500 euros gross.
mfg
Leini
Answer by ed-media:
Jaja a deal had me absolutely want to offer the EX3,
for around 6,000 euros (excluding Silver Support).
Good - 5 years warranty is synonymous to attract and what you know
as the stand behind their equipment, that is hardly synonymous
broken inside of 5 years.
Answer by gunman:
Of course, the HM-100 3 piece 1 / 4 inch CCD 720p50 and can (and are native, have already heard of the EX1 users were not satisfied of its 50p because it is expected to be down at 1920x1080 chips). Sure, the WW is better, but yes, there synonymous good lens.
Hello,
Your statement, I can fully untertützen.
Gunman
Answer by Manuell:
The advantage of 5-year warranty is synonymous halt the high resale value, among other things, had so synonymous for the HPX171 decided.
They could practically sell after 3 years and the buyer would have still 2 years warranty, that's what.
I do not like it at the service of Sonyist, but if s.der HPX what is broken, the inside of 4 days or so and if the repair does not comply you will get a replacement device, the times I have read.
Corrected me if wrong.
Rolling shutter has already been addressed and the more favorable price.
On www.dvxuser.com I had ever synonymous some mountain biking and snowboarding videos and view pictures as the camera seems to be very good for to lend, as they are synonymous in handy and easy.
mfg
Manuel
Answer by WideScreen:
@ Manual: Maybe you should change your signature, or the Page bring back online? :)
Answer by Jogi:
...
Degrees on the Sony Road Show was synonymous fairness of the disadvantages of Sonyerwähnt. (30 sec startup / Rolling shutter)
Just tried several times: 9 (nine) seconds before recording. Thus, I can live well. Description: Perhaps Sonymal a bow with adhesive label is available. :-( Regards Christian
If you are in terms of relieving labels (problem of the 1st series) will not s.den Sony PrimeSupport apply must not constantly moan about.
The Sony service replaces the respective housing parts. Then hold synonymous with all the trains on the housing. Takes about 3-4 days. Cam will be picked up and delivered again synonymous. Only have to free yourself of any hotline endeavor!
Answer by Chezus:
happig is that even the hotline is free;)
clear that with the label is annoying, but even if the nachbessern I think that is no criticism!
The boot time takes longer than in other cams, but is acceptable.
What struck me at the EX 1 synonymous is very interesting clip preview function.
For example, scenic shooting scene rotate, preview clip, decide whether the scene fits
White garnicht whether the HPX has the same function. I just wanted to mention it
Answer by B.DeKid:
I had already written somewhere .... so s.Hang eg (drop) ... you want a good recording side have .... now you can as abseiling and hold the Cam itself - depending on the length bit boring ....
So what Billiigstativ s.besten under a NEN Mittelsaeule ring has made tent herring and rubber ball train .... Abseiling Tripod position in the wall tent herring .... tent between herring and mittelsaeule the rubber strap attached .... Thus the Tripod synonymous happy hours s.Hang and can hold the camera securely.
At the wire camera .... synonymous here can be done with good truck straps on the real rope tension will ... Hauptseil with eyelets provide via karabiner s.den straps down and then everything with the ratchet to bring train.
For continuous movement of the sled pull aka small role Angel Multi buy ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
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