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Frage von ChristianCG80:


I have the following problem in Adobe Encore 2.0 and hope here in this forum thread s.der right place to be. I wish to help me immediately of you:

I have my laptop connected s.den D-Box II with Linux Neutrino and the streaming software "Jack The Grabber" a film that I am now happy in Adobe Encore 2.0 author and would like to burn to DVD. Since I liked the content before and after the film (eg, Rest of the previous film, the preview of another shooting at Premiere, etc.) would like to have removed to the only truly complete, clean-cut film with the three broadcast and recorded sound tracks (German , and English Dolby Digital 5.1) on the DVD to burn, I have four files in the MPEG-editing program "Cuttermaran" and then be loaded by setting the in-s.Anfang points of the film and the Out-Pointes s.Ende cut of the film (of course I always just cut sI-frames). This works so far synonymous everything perfectly and without error. I have now cut four files (*. mpv 1x, 2x and 1x *. mp2 *. ac3) before.
Of course, I have the video track (*. mpv) and the three soundtracks (1x *. mp2 and *. ac3) as the elementary stream of, ie Picture and sound are separated, as is the authoring program Adobe Encore 2.0 synonymous required . The film is so synonymous and the four tracks are a total of 1 hours and 45 minutes.

Now to my actual problem: The import of the video track (*. mpv) and the AC3 soundtrack (*. ac3) Adobe Encore 2.0 to function smoothly - I can see the picture and listen synchronously to synonymous Dolby Digital sound. The import of both German and English soundtracks (*. mp2) klappt synonymous, but here is the following problem: First, these two audio files, such as Adobe usual through the Encore Program aligned and secondly I did not hear sound when I use the video in the timeline play. The DVD preview of Encore delivers the same problem - no sound at the two German / English tracks (*. mp2) to hear only the AC3 file (Dolby Digital 5.1) provides a sound.

Curious: If I were only a short piece of film (3 minutes) from export Cuttermaran out, everything works, that I hear something synonymous with the two *. mp2 soundtracks (German, English). If I do the whole movie until the end of the beginning and export in Adobe Encore 2.0 import, does the problem just on (no sound in *. mp2).

And secondly, kurios: I Open the exported mp2 audio file (German, English), for example, with the VLC Media player of Videolan, then I hear the sound, just in the preview in Encore not. So it can not ever s.einem missing codec or similar subject.

Can someone tell me where the problem may be, or what the problem is?

I would be of any help and grateful with every tip.


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Antwort von PowerMac:

"ChristianCG80" wrote: (...) VLC media player of Videolan, then I hear the sound, just in the preview in Encore not. So it can not ever s.einem missing codec or similar subject. (...)

That is a fallacy. VLC has built-in codecs, with whom he plays. Why would Encore synonymous VLC codecs on access?
I think your problem is simply that a DVD can either Dolby Digital or just mp2-compressed audio can contain. As I see it, you try to combine both - are prohibited, according to DVD standard. I have no idea what your Encore can perhaps convert it mp2 stuff synonymous. The two experimental mp2 audio tracks before in another program to convert Dolby Digital and then re-import it.
EDIT: I do not know if that's true. Also, I have confused MP2 and PCM. Long Day - Sorry.

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Antwort von ChristianCG80:

Thank you to only once for your detailed reply.

I think it is so that if a codec is installed on the calculator is actually for all programs is available. Or was I wrong? But with MPEG-Audio Encore should really come because it is the default.

Many commercial DVDs contain stereo tracks in MPEG format and Dolby Digital 5.1 sound simultaneously. Why should we both can not combine? That would be no meaning and purpose of the case or the DVD. And my opinion is both MPEG and AC3 therefore, compressed. Uncompressed audio comes on a DVD not available. There would never be a whole movie on it fit.

And also does so with the combination of short sequences, as I have in my description written. So it can - I think - not the cause.

I hope and look forward to more opinions and help of you.

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Antwort von PowerMac:

Incidentally, many DVDs an uncompressed soundtrack - PCM. And it proves, in fact, a lot of memory.
But I mistook MP2 with PCM. Actually should MP2 and AC3 to a DVD should be possible. But for parallel tracks, I think that this is not possible. On a DVD, yes, but not parallel. But this is only speculation. I have had with MP2 but never something s.Hut - only Dolby Digital. Dolby Digital and can not be combined with PCM.

My tip everything AC3 to convert, but still.

PS: VLC uses codecs that are in it and installed it no great codec pack. Therefore, only VLC on a PC to play everything. The codecs are built next means of other programs to use. VLC uses but afaik additional codecs installed in Windows (* Showers *).

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Antwort von Axel:

"ChristianCG80" wrote: But with MPEG-Audio Encore should really come because it is the default.

That was once. PAL had Mpeg1 Layer2 player can play NTSC devices never before. In the Asian low-cost products, everything else "may", the sound begins to stutter. Reliable standards are - de facto - PCM and AC3.

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Antwort von ChristianCG80:

Thank you first of all again for your answers:

I think I have the cause of my problem is found.

It is apparently s.der Adobe feature match of Audio ", and incidentally, the Encore synonymous of each other Adobe program, which works with audio files (Premiere, Audition, Encore, After Effects, etc.), after the auto import into the carry out the project window. This process takes, depending on the size of the audio file (*. mp2) some time. On my movie (1h 45 min) it takes approximately two to three minutes. During the next one should do nothing but wait until the match ended. To see the process in Adobe Encore 2.0 on the right page in the "Status" window - as I said, right after an audio file in the Project has imported. Here you can see then a bar, of the moves left to right. The process starts auto synonymous and can not be canceled.

I am now always as follows: I have import in Encore at most equal to all four files at once marked and inserted into the Project. It was the first selected file (the *. ac3) correctly aligned, which s.dem bar on the right Page was evident. The NEXT and all other following audio files were not aligned - and exactly where the problem lies. To view a file in Adobe Encore, or as I said, for example, synonymous in Adobe Premiere, correct about the speakers give you a "Adobe typical alignment is necessary. Now I asked myself, why is only bringing in a file - the first selected and imported - is working? Even if the files I've imported individually, and the sound was the only match in the first case all of the following was the blending of synonymous and thus the boxes remained silent.

After some Superior struck me since that some audio programs a cache or temporary memory. Perhaps the yes it is full or after importing the first file *. mp2 enough temporary space available (or the cache is full). Then I looked in the options of Adobe Encore 2.0 for a similar or comparable function and was under "Edit - Preferences - Audio / Video Out Point ..." synonymous find. There you'll find at the bottom the option "Media Cache Database" and the two buttons next to "clean up" and "Delete". I clicked try to "clean up" and to "delete" and imported the second *. mp2-file - and lo and behold: the blending of the second file to work at once and suddenly came logically synonymous Sound of the second track (*. mp2 file ). So I went to the third audio file before synonymous. Now everything works flawlessly and I can do everything properly author and burn to DVD.

This link explains synonymous, the fact that short sequences, for example, about three or four minutes work, so there was sound. For shorter sequences, logically, is not so much "temporary" space, or "cache memory" is required, as in my film about 1h 45min. Thus were synonymous all files to be approximated, but what I at first did not know that.

Even if you "delete" button, do the previously aligned audio files afterward. According to Encore little meaningful assistance (under "Media Cache Database") is apparently only for this match as a reference file to simplify, re-use in other Adobe programs.

Why the "blending of Audio" but really is there, I search the Internet, despite not yet hu

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Antwort von Axel:

Chapeau!

"ChristianCG80" wrote: Why the "blending of Audio" but really is there, I search the Internet, despite not yet fully discovered. I would therefore for any further information on this appreciated.

It is possible that the adjusted data. This is (just ergoogelt) for AC3 maximum 448 kBit / s, but for Mpeg 912 kb / s to the DVD specification to meet. I think it is the same data, which makes audio tracks compatible. I'm not sure, but maybe you can even AC3 and Mpeg use in a stream when the data is the same. Even if the academic left for me (so, only PCM for music recordings, for anything other AC3), this would increase my knowledge. Since you're already in the process, but most the times short.

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Antwort von ChristianCG80:

That with the data rate can adjust his course and would, in your ergoogelten intelligence synonymous quite useful, so the DVD specifications can be met.

I know now, however, not exactly what you mean with "audio tracks compatible"?
Do you mean that I should try, as it were, the AC3 stream and the MPEG stream in a transport stream multiplexed together?

I work in principle - already in the recording - only with elementary streams, ie separate audio - and video files. Because when you need authoring anyway, I find the way over Transport Stream record and then Demultiplexing authoring much too cumbersome.

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Antwort von Axel:

"ChristianCG80" wrote: I work in principle - already in the recording - only with elementary streams, ie separate audio - and video files. Because when you need authoring anyway, I find the way over Transport Stream record and then Demultiplexing authoring much too cumbersome.

Of course, only elementary streams. The other workflow is (something like that when you "record" by "ripping" is replaced), if necessary, if you ever have a feature from one of your DVDs quickly extract want to make it into a new use.
Yes, I was compatible with the possibility, for example, an alternative language version or an audio commentary, even in once in AC3 and MPEG audio, the same video track (ie the same VOB) to add. It is silly. Why do such a thing? Forget it.

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Antwort von ChristianCG80:

Thanks anyway for your answers. The problem has been solved so now we're back and somewhat wiser.

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Antwort von grovel:

"PowerMac" wrote: Actually should MP2 and AC3 to a DVD should be possible. But for parallel tracks, I think that this is not possible. On a DVD, yes, but not parallel. But this is only speculation. I have had with MP2 but never something s.Hut - only Dolby Digital. Dolby Digital and can not be combined with PCM.

Huh?

So either I understand you wrong, or I need you exceptionally times contradictory.
Do you really think that on a DVD not a track and a PCM DolbyDigital can be? (In parallel, the same video, just like two language tracks)
That would be total nonsense. Multiple audio tracks are in the format in any combination.
Is my projects even when the standard requires that the normal PCM soundtrack and audio commentary Dolby compressed.

SeeYa Groveler

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Antwort von PowerMac:

Well, I have learned so. Never various audio formats (AC3 or PCM) in a same track and on the same disc.

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Antwort von ChristianCG80:

Two different audio format (PCM and AC3) in a joint soundtrack - this may well be that this does not work. I have not yet tried.

But when I look at the two different audio formats on two different audio tracks do, then it should really go.

If times really worth it to test.

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