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30 min. Doku ohne Sprecher?

30 min. Docu without speakers?



Frage von ApplePB:
Januar 2008

A beautiful good morning!

I first want to thank all the friendly people here today to thank sincerely for the regular assistance.

Before I get to my specific questions, I would like to say briefly that I do not know for about 5 weeks regarding "video art" was.

After I was disappointed again and again how little my photos really capture the atmosphere and the mood really, I've decided to take initiative.

I have read through here, not just the "camcorder - Training" and nearly all the FAQs, but almost all synonymous Beitraege www.fxsupport.de/hc1 And of course, and not just once. (THANKS!)

Ultimately, I then decided synonymous for the HDR HC1, which I now synonymous been diligently used.

Na avoid well, long story short, although I try to write new topics, but here I really needed your help:

I still do now 2.5 months of time to - in addition to "work" - of Shanghai a 30 minutes documentary for friends and family.

I want to avoid it but that I discuss in retrospect, the document still needs to, and during the shooting, but am alone.

Now the question arises, as I a fun and interesting "documentary" of Shanghai and of'm in Shanghai, without talking about it? (Because it's taboo, talking behind the camera, at least I've learned that here!;))

Of course there are some scenes, such as. during the shoot out of the car, which manages it with Music.

But as it is on the other recordings?

I hope to have many answers.
Of course I am happy to synonymous, with helpful tips, hints and ideas, send the completed document in the autumn it's free!

Soda, again thank you very much,

Kind Regards from Shanghai,

Martin

PS: The first documentary, I will cut it into iMovie.



Antwort von steve:

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Antwort von ApplePB:

Hi!

Thanks for the reply.

The problem is that have no possibility to include the half in good quality.

Furthermore, it is one thing to shoot something, and another to know everything about them. Because if you discuss something, you should say yes synonymous "the truth"! :)

mfG And thank you,

martin








Antwort von numruck:

"ApplePB" wrote:
The problem is that have no possibility to include the half in good quality.


iMovie certainly works, it opens doors in your head but less than the larger Program. Thus we find to the query "audio commentary" in the iMovie HD help to note that the program was part of iLife and GarageBand than one could add a comment to his film.
So you need a sound card, a "mic in" (not "line in") or a USB - Audio Interface and a microphone to record language, then you could comment the objector directly s.Calculator in GarageBand. The program finalcutexpress HD (on HD you paying attention?) Is not only more comfortable to use, it allows direct recording synonymous with style, while you see your shots (voiceover) ".
Since you you should anyway, sooner or later, a second mono-directional microphone for your camcorder grow, this would be the solution of the moment: the recording under the covers (schallgedämpfter room) with a well-prepared and practiced text that you can capture the images and . failed Why not with the built-Stereomic? Because the camera can not be under the covers WITH (band noises are always a bit) to hear.
Synonymous but a tape or MD recorder fulfill this purpose.

"ApplePB" wrote:
Furthermore, it is one thing to shoot something, and another to know everything about them. Because if you discuss something, you should say yes synonymous "the truth"! :)


The truth is, you're an amateur. The truth is, good movies to shirk the truth (as good literature synonymous), because the reality and her (film) image is much more complex and interesting. Fleeting moments, moods, or a forceful argument so represented (cut sequences are arguments, picture-thoughts are) to a composition.
I would advise you to ranzugehen ironically s.The thing. The amateur in China, which absorbs the sun rising in the port of Shanghai. Maybe you to review retrospectively with unsparing honesty, what you thought this through your head against. "Man, what a orange! They may be impressed!" , - As if you had the taboo to comment live, really broken. The film could be called "I and Shanghai" or more modestly, "Shanghai and I", and I could be a real highlight. If you tried the other hand, convulsively, to deliver the first litter with a professional documentary, is the wisdom of the medium (which indeed the real message) is now reveal: Amateur. So, stay on the carpet and reach for the stars.



Antwort von Wiro:

Hello,
The word "documentary" is on your project probably a bit too strong a word.
Definition of the term "documentary" (from "film category at the BDFA, explanations of the characteristics of the national competitions," abbreviated):
_______________
Citation
Documentation is essential for presenting a topic, the attempt something in his relationships and with
to show his background and experience to make. The choice of images, their assembly, the view of this, what has been seen and discovered, is the charm of the documentary. More unknown is something that brings the viewer close to the original point of view and depending on what offers you are, the more effectively it can reach the audience.

The documentary is the real camera images. However, they are taken and then be reproduced with
one has the feeling, just being there. This means that someone is on the way there and his impressions. He tells what he has seen and experienced. It does not need to happen in the order in which it has actually happened. So if one is to create a portrait of a city, a landscape, a country that is a report, an essay, a comprehensive treatment of a subject, a subject - and thus a classic documentary.
End Quote
_______________

This form of the film thus makes an accompanying comment, almost mandatory.
If you have any experience and thus not synonymous technical possibilities, and if it is "only" for a video evening with friends and family should be, it may be better, like a slide evening commenting ago - that does not sound so artificial to . Here you have to deal with background music sparingly - let the O-sound effect on the audience and tell here what you have experienced. That comes from experience more s.als a pompous music and effects show. And note how what you say and make comments where applicable, which the spectators. This is the best Lerngrundlage to develop an exciting comment. That you can indeed catch up later and still make it a "real" documentary.

Just my 5 cents.
Greeting Wiro



Antwort von Axel:

"Wiro" wrote:
Citation
Documentation is essential for presenting a topic, the attempt something in his relationships and with
to show his background and experience to make. The choice of images, their assembly, the view of this, what has been seen and discovered, is the charm of the documentary. More unknown is something that brings the viewer close to the original point of view and depending on what offers you are, the more effectively it can reach the audience.


A good definition that shows you what really matters. If you are into pictures of Shanghai from your environment (portraits, no view of an anonymous mass) on the social and cultural developments in the country referierst lacks exactly that: The connection. Include yourself in your video with, make a personal comment or, as proposed by Wiro, comment the video in front of the home television.



Antwort von StefanS:

"ApplePB" wrote:

The problem is that have no possibility to include the half in good quality.


Among the other topics you already have other opinions, but who says that you have no way to subsequently bring your voice.

Simply use the camera, insert tape and talking to one micro-camera. Then copy to your PC schneidn, cope and integrate into the film.

While this is not a studio microphone, but without much ceremony a simple solution.

The greatest inhibition is likely next to the content of the commentary, the sound of his own voice :-)

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Asta:

I must disagree a little bit for a quick '. " A documentary can get along very well without synonymous spokesman. If elected, in contrast to be a good interviewee, which can then serve as a possible "spokesman". The interview will be undercut with pictures. That made good but not easy. This is in terms of documentation then quite demanding. But it works. In our study, the number of people have already made, and it works. Mandatory but is then a very precise planning and a really good interviews.

Greetings
Asta



Antwort von PowerMac:

I would say that you stick to your camcorder directly via firewire s.deinen Mac. So you have the car as a micro-camera audio out, apart from the internal micro your Macs. Recording in GarageBand, or can you with some freeware ... (macupdate.com)



Antwort von Wiro:

"Asta" wrote:
I have to disagree a little bit for a quick ""

There is no contradiction, Asta, rather a complement.
Had written so yes, "almost mandatory" - definitely not. That a great interviewing an off-speakers can make totally unnecessary, is undoubtedly correct - it is perfectly replaced by the interview.

However, those who own, armed only with a camcorder, wanders about in Shanghai, will probably "being considered have a very precise planning and a really good interview guide" is not. Perhaps you could try it with a mixture of both? An idea an idea. Need not necessarily be a guided interview - synonymous a good statement of a person is good.
Greeting Wiro



Antwort von Axel:

"Wiro" wrote:
That a great interviewing an off-speakers can make totally unnecessary, is undoubtedly correct - it is perfectly replaced by the interview.

Subtitles are in iMovie, however, no problem. There is a tab in the main window "title" with one sub-tab "subtitles".



Antwort von Markus:

Read constantly about the duration of a film need subtitles, I find it very stressful. And the title synonymous letter makes a lot of work.

I therefore recommend that you also speak the comment. The techniques for recording the commentary with existing equipment are next described above already.

I need to finally do something some time! ;-)








Antwort von numruck:

This should probably be a joke. Chinese speak in interviews even Chinese.



Antwort von Wiro:

So there subtitles. . .
;-)
Greeting Wiro

HP @ Guest:
Would be nice if you would give to see you.
It is so bad chats with people who speak "off camera".



Antwort von Asta:

There are many award winning documentaries, from abroad, which will be shown with subtitles. Time goes on festivals and a look at there, what is being shown. Most documentaries from abroad will be subtitled only, no preference whether interview or comment. We here in Germany are pampered with the Synchronization anyway. In addition, a translation of an interview by a speaker still something other than a comment. This is a conceptual difference.

Interviews have the advantage that they convey emotions very well. As a speaker can not. The speaker is considered to be omniscient, but not as a person with emotions. A really interesting documentary should be synonymous, but the audience touching on an emotional way. Then the viewers stay tuned synonymous. ARTE is, for example, requires a voltage arc in documentaries. Otherwise, the concept is immediately rejected.
Sure, that's now on the professional area related, but when one tries to observe these points of his private documents, then it is equal to more interesting and there is now the ninth-long show with friends.

Greeting
Asta

PS: @ Wiro's true, by the way is with the design making it difficult, but if you know well his interlocutor, it can be well guided synonymous.



Antwort von Axel:

"Asta" wrote:
... Person with emotions .(...) A really interesting documentary should be synonymous, but the audience touching on an emotional way. Then the viewers stay tuned synonymous. ARTE is, for example, requires a voltage arc in documentaries.


A maiden project in Shanghai and an incredible 2.5 months time! Man, Martin, but i take a semi-documentary! Portray some nice person or a family, you know. A little story, told in pictures, so that the language is unimportant. With humor and suspense.

Escape the temptation of a "video slideshow with music" to make the most beautiful corners of Shanghai. Have you perhaps synonymous a digital camera? That would be great.

When digital cameras were not invented in order to sketch scenarios, then this is probably a misunderstanding. To You suck namely excellent. Make a series of photos (each Stillimage will be appealing in itself synonymous), in which you tell a little story. You can move and delete images in the sequence, you can get new images synonymous dazumachen, the script / storyboard is finished only when the story does your future players and clapping his hands with delight when they see the pictures.

Then you think about s.das script, practice calm attitude, play on pans with caution, if at all - and no zoom.

Rejoice, which can be a great fun. Synonymous, and I look forward to seeing your work.



Antwort von ApplePB:

Hi!

Soda, back from Beijing, I would like first to extend heartfelt thanks for the many comments!

The idea with the interview, I find it quite good.

I almost could first make the video, and only then the interview with myself, where I tell my story.

Since the video and then s.Freunde family goes around the world, I unfortunately can not be always there to comment on it personally.

Thanks again, and I am of course about additional feedback,

Best Regards,

Martin



Antwort von ApplePB:

One question I had, and although I preview wuerd like a "movie" of this kind.

Which almost with an interview is documented.

Can you tell me which ones?

Thanks,

Martin



Antwort von Axel:

Salut Martin,
There are a few famous examples that do not occur naturally in a BBC series that have indeed their own knitting patterns. Each of the films that come to mind spontaneously, now has a fake-element:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067197/
The Hellstrom Chronicle is the work of the (apparently) paranoid Hellstrom entomologist who has the perfect adaptation of the insects come to the conclusion that they are superior to humans and take over the world.
But this is just the hook for stunning shots with special lens with small focal lengths, the (show the insects as if they were human size, the shallow depth of field of conventional macro shots missing). That, coupled with the - hard - Facts about the performance of these animals makes us the world of insects "with new eyes." Since we have now seen countless "real" documentaries about the ants, you can compare well. When the music recalls the images of a single ant trail in the BBC documentary s.Militärmusik, we come before us subconsciously manipulated more than in the Hellstrom Chronicle, which is an obvious fake. The film received an Oscar synonymous. In my description, it sounds better than it actually is, but there are dealing with the question: instead of original interviews, or OFF to comment?

Moreover
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103882/
A Brief History Of Time, in which the human portrait of the mathematician and physicist Stephen Hawking paralyzed by his own statements, as well as his family and colleagues, the animated illustrations of his theories about space and time (here, in part, is a OFF-faced spokesman) is . Krass condensed core message of the film: The spirit is beyond all bounds. Reveals the making of the DVD that all the interviewees are sitting in Studiosets and act partly by script. This fake is not obvious, but he is the density of the "story". For my taste, the film is quite leisurely, but when it comes to the function of the commentary ...

A truly shocking documentary, which once ran some two years ago on arte, watching an experiment in Jerusalem, were invited for the poor children of a Palestinian family in the twin sons of a wealthy Jewish family to play, and vice versa. The mutual prejudices have not been resolved. The Palestinians constantly parroting racist insults and synonymous played on this basis. The twins abused the Palestinians as stupid and fraught with prejudice. After a few weeks, the experiment was suddenly declared closed. The children were crying! They had come close to human.
Years later, the children, now aged around 18 years, re-visited of the film team. The eldest of the Palestinians is thoughtful and presents a world view into question, the people so divided. He and his siblings are sad and helpless. The twins have just received a gift of a jeep. The experiment has left far fewer traces in them. "They are stupid and uneducated halt.
The fake I see is that the experiment of the filmmakers was arbitrarily set. A parallel observation of both families here would have achieved nothing. Of course it was subtitled. Maybe it gave off connective or introductory comments, but a few.

Incidentally, if anyone knows how this document is, please report.




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