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Sony HDR-SR8 AVCHD-HDD Camcorder

SonyHDR-SR8 AVCHD HDD camcorder



Frage von dernightdj:
Juli 2007

The search spits out nothing about this, unfortunately, and I wanted to look at the round asking if anyone has experience with this model was able to collect.

Can we really capture the AVCHD synonymous nor can convert to SD?

Can one of convert HDV AVCHD after?

Does the PC really so brutal power, so you edit AVCHD / play?

How is it with HDD camcorders in underwater use (of course in the appropriate case)?

True that the SR8 with the supplied battery only 20 min max. Recording time?

What is the software of SonyVegas7 Movie Studio to be expected? (See, there's übrigends free) Is the program difficult to use?

How is the quality of the recording in SD mode? Which format are the videos mpegs2 or AVI?

I think the SR8 interesting because, especially in underwater use, I could save the tape change (but if you only 20min max eh can ....)

cheers



Antwort von dernightdj:

Hi!

Although I have no SR8, but SR1 and go to your questions rather synonymous AVCHD.

Quote:
Can we really capture the AVCHD synonymous nor can convert to SD?


Since HDD cams are not captured is: No..
With the included software, it is possible to convert to SD. Qualitatively however, very bad. (See alternative: Elecard Converter AVCHD Edition)

Quote:
Can one of convert HDV AVCHD after?

Yes! The best is probably the Elecard AVCHD Converter Edition. Quality is very good. Also for the convert to SD quality. (The tool is supplied as to be negligible.)

Quote:
Does the PC really so brutal power, so you edit AVCHD / play?

Jep! My (somewhat older) P4 3.06 GHz, 2 GB RAM has its problems so everything smooth play. (full resolution)
If the files are first converted to HDV, it is OK edit.

Quote:
How is it with HDD camcorders in underwater use (of course in the appropriate case)?

If no problems. For car trips it is recommended that the HDD fall-off protection. But under the water's just soft movements.

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True that the SR8 with the supplied battery only 20 min max. Recording time?

I can not imagine. The SR1 is about 90 min
There is still synonymous with Power Batteries over 200 min

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How is the quality of the recording in SD mode? Which format are the videos mpegs2 or AVI?

SR1: average quality. MPEG2

Greeting
Dave



Antwort von Marco:

"What is the software of SonyVegas7 Movie Studio to be expected? (See, there's übrigends free) Is the program difficult to use?"

Is there Movie Studio for free or Vegas? I think it's Vegas. Vegas comes in version 7.0E with Sony AVCHD well clear at half and preview resolution without scaling runs with a current PC with CPU power somewhat synonymous unnecessary. But is still no comparison to HDV (or DV). One can, therefore, the performance for the AVCHD editing in Vegas accordingly, but it is so fast s.der boundary of the feasible.

The handling of Vegas is as easy or as difficult as you would want to ... The software contains an enormous amount of functionality and if you wanted to fully exploit, it would take some time until everything is understood. If there is only a matter of the material into the system to get a few cuts and crossfades to make and the material is again out of bounds, then the handling is quite simple.
If it is still not Movie Studio and should act to Vegas, Movie Studio is in the handling of function due to restriction in Comparison to Vegas even easier.

Marco





Antwort von urban-orange:

What should I do it now depends on whether I am now a HC7 or SR7 buy?

Either way, I will watch the videos available in SD must spend, but my PC is not the quickest and with AVCHD is certainly not very pleasant. It would give me the fun thing s.der rob ...

The SR tells me to stop because of the individually selectable clip, which was so synonymous immediately after the recording can erase. I see advantages in the Workflow section, because you need no longer waste the whole auszusortieren ....

And she is just as well equipped as the HC7, the question now is tape or hard drive?

There's really still problems with AVCHD editing?



Antwort von Marco:

For me personally, the choice on the SR7, since the camera is tapeless. However, I have a fairly smooth synonymous PC and can be braked with the performance of AVCHD editing live.
If you have only a relatively weak Calculator, then I doubt that you'll be happy with AVCHD.

The best times after you google some AVCHD videos on the net and try it with the demo version of Vegas itself. That will cost you is some time in advance, but protects you against a disappointment and a costly misjudgment.

Marco



Antwort von urban-orange:

Hmm, I have the ASUS A8JP notebook with Intel Core2Duo 2 Ghz, 1 GB Ram. But prefer a HD camcorder tape?



Antwort von Marco:

I guess in a notebook you can already be happy, if ever HDV editing is unnecessary. I can not imagine that AVCHD editing it prepares mood. But is pure speculation, since I neither one nor the other on a notebook as you've ever tested. So my advice: try it yourself. Otherwise it will remain in speculation.

Marco



Antwort von urban-orange:

You can a few times yes AVCHD streams from the Internet to download and try to play it.
I believe they will be unnecessary to run, because I on my PC, a P4 2.4 Ghz 512MB RAM Geforce 3 with 64MB RAM, AVCHD can watch movies, but only with the Elecard MPEG Player, with otherwise no.
So my PC is, I would say that's watching for the lowest limit of the bottom;) editing with my PC will probably be a lengthy procedure to be ^ ^
And since you have a Core2Duo searched, you will surely AVCHD movies with no problems at synonymous and can edit.
Try a try.

Greeting
Frank



Antwort von Jan:

Hi,

I'm first surprise, when my SR 7 models in the store (the Sony of Cologne) is just a simple blue CD - Picture ... 2.0.2 (osä) while the "cheap" to trim and MPEG 2 & BD burn. As long as I've not synonymous da - 2 weeks. Well I will hope that Sonymir times for the next delivery is the better SW sends.

Or it was an offer from the dealer?

Sony Vegas 7 (original version) normally only available to FX 7 and negotiating with the purchase or request a FX 7 first last.

A Picture - quality difference of HC 7 vs. SR 7, but almost non-existent.

Look at times holding the best-known programs for AVCHD s.die are likely to include Magix Video Deluxe 2007 / 2008 (for AVCHD but it must be paid for extra coal - Update!), Ulead VideoStudio 11 + (but not Blue Ray DVD with report ) and Pinnacle Studio 11 +.

I think minimum is dual-processor technology and 1 GB or even better 2 GB Ram to somehow reasonable to work. Ulead has for the "lame" Calculator another proxy variant used (it is not cut during the original material with which to work - only the processing s.Schluss is accessed).

I have since Wolfgang times but still from the video forum quote, really bad representation s.PC & Television is very often
the individual equipment & components.

VG
Jan



Antwort von urban-orange:

Ich hab da s.Samstag evening bring a flyer, or rather the Promoteur him into my hand down. As is that in Germany about 100 dealers there and the action is the period 21.06-30.09.2007.

Applies to all HDR camcorder, in participating stores purchased.



Antwort von Marco:

"Sony Vegas 7 (original version) normally only available to FX 7"

That was the previous action. In the present have Vegas 7, the AVCHD models conforming. As in the posting mentioned above seem to be limited to certain Dealers.

Marco



Antwort von Jan:

Aha, determines the pure-known specialist in the federal territory - thanks.

Well, people should already know but synonymous with what SW is all about.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Dill:

Does anyone now the SR8 and can report?

I am in September in the U.S. and wanted to advance my TRV 60 may violate SR8 one.
Actually yes, I wanted to wait until 1080p Cams come to me and then a Semi-Pro pick but that is probably still a long time as to what is coming.



Antwort von fabkei:

Can someone tell me whether the camera directly sequences can delete?



Antwort von Marco:

To my knowledge can be individual clips with the camera itself does not delete it. Only in one go through all the Quick Formatting panel.

Also on the Picture Motion Browser seems not to be possible.

Theoretically it is still in connection with a PC / Notebook feasible because the camera as an external hard drive is detected. I would not do, however, as to the respective clips synonymous lots of metadata which are scattered across different folders are. And the vulture knows what the camera makes when you reference the metadata is missing.

Marco



Antwort von fabkei:

Ahh this is interesting - would have thought to do this easily. I have my decision gen HDV like - prefer tape capture, making coffee and everything away what a non gefällt. Thank you.



Antwort von Marco:

Depending on the application, I read nothing at all, but cuts like "on" the Camera.

Marco



Antwort von fabkei:

That's going? Understand the entire workflow on HDD with AVCHD camcorders are not yet ...

- SR8 thus acts as a normal external drive on which the individual sequences are stored - on the menu of the cam, it is not possible to manage these files !?!?!

Where then is the advantage eigenliche HDV?

- Via USB, you can cut it from the source data? If USB is not actually too slow?

Thank you



Antwort von Marco:

"SR8 thus acts as a normal external drive on which the individual sequences are stored"

Yes, it is.

"on the menu of the cam, it is not possible to manage these files !?!?!"

Generally it is quite possible, but so far with very limited functionality.

"Where then is the advantage eigenliche HDV?"

The real advantage has nothing to do with the workflow to do the same for HDV yes could be, if instead of the band recording the HDD or card recording was elected (if you still want to designate as HDV).
The real advantage of AVCHD is located in the lower Filesize at least as good quality. The AVCHD compression is - very simply - also benefits from the motion representation.
The bottom line is the AVCHD compression simply much more effective than the HDV compression.

via USB, you can cut it from the source data? If USB is not actually too slow?

Why should it be too slow? There are indeed only 15 MBit / sec., Significantly less than for DV / HDV.

The crucial factor is the power of the CPU, since AVCHD requires powerful performance. But regardless of whether the data of the camera-HDD or an internal or external PC HDD to be read.

Marco



Antwort von fabkei:

Ahh, only 15 MBit / sec., Well then ... I know that for HDV it is about 11 GB per hour space needs, how much exactly is this for AVCHD?
32 hours max. Capacity in the SR8 with 100GB would have just under 3 GB per hour? This is my little bit but then before.

've Read it takes 2 hours to 60 minutes AVCHD material in iMovie (Intermediate Codec) einzuspeisen. There is real but I still prefer and I am still superior.

What does "very limited functionality" in the data? What can I delete photos apart, because then it?



Antwort von Marco:

An HD-capable camera as the SR8 is usually synonymous in an HD format with the best possible Resolutiongenutzt. With this resolution, which with 15 Mbit / sec. on the plate is recorded, the SR8 has no 32 hours recording capacity, but about 12 hours.
Only when the camera in an SP mode is used, increasing the capacity up to 38 hours.

"I read it takes 2 hours to 60 minutes AVCHD material in iMovie (Intermediate Codec) einzuspeisen."

If so, it is due to the fact that iMovie converts the material first. This step, however, depending on the editing program (and PC performance) is not necessary. The data of the SR8 can cut programs with many synonymous without prior conversion process (just be sure as I have previously mentioned, a particularly powerful CPU in Calculator stuck).
One hour of AVCHD with 15 MBit / sec recording is about 6 GB. And the reading of 6 GB takes just as long as it takes 6 GB with a USB 2.0-connection of a hard drive to another. For me it takes about 7-8 minutes.

"What can I delete photos apart, because then it?"

Individual clips or sequences and immediately pounce and view the entire contents of the hard drive erase. Also synonymous delete individual images. There are several synonymous Playlist operations, but something I have never been more accurate, since I understand the camera really only as a recording and not as a management tool. Time I would rather be with the PC after transferring the data, if I change the data transfer.

Marco



Antwort von fabkei:

"Marco" wrote:
... with 15 Mbit / sec. coded, the SR8 not 32 hours recording capacity, but about 12 hours ...
One hour of AVCHD with 15 Mbit / sec. is about 6 GB.


7-8 minutes, even stop toll ... But I will when MacBook Pro + iMovie remain and therefore it has no sense, as long as I am not directly scenes can erase - This feature would be a 100 GB disk but synonymous over the SR7 and would suffice.

PS: 12 hours times 6 GB 72 GB - but I do not want you down here, it's really about half of HDV.

Vielen lieben Dank für Deine Detailed, Marco.

Good night!



Antwort von WoWu:

... So in relation to the AVC have a few mistakes ... AVC is a scalable process. The data can be at the expense of image quality or spatial or temporal recording procedures vary. AVC is defined for 6,9,13,18 and 24 Mbit / s. + 64-640 kBit for audio.
In addition, when using the same bandwidth, not only the codec is more efficient, but because of the HD recording synonymous still a large part of the data protection mechanisms, the tape recording are inevitable. Net is the recording bandwidth is even higher than that of HDV.

With the new camera models synonymous must be remembered that they usually go hand in hand with new CMOS sensors, which are still synonymous scanning is changed. In addition, the A / D conversion on the CMOS is done, what the benefits of weitererreichenden filtering means.

In relation to the processing must be remembered that it is an asymmetric process, in which significantly more power for an encoding for a decoding as needed. So just clips from the web and will not look at the whole picture play ...

So before you decide for HDV so .... Think Twice
If you s.Details around the topic of interest to: read this:

http://www.lulu.com/content/1018079



Antwort von fabkei:

"WoWu" wrote:
...
In addition, when using the same bandwidth, not only the codec is more efficient, but because of the HD recording synonymous still a large part of the data protection mechanisms, the tape recording are inevitable. Net is the recording bandwidth is even higher than that of HDV ...
With the new camera models synonymous must be remembered that they usually go hand in hand with new CMOS sensors, which are still synonymous scanning is changed. In addition, the A / D conversion on the CMOS is done, what the benefits of weitererreichenden filtering means.


Thus the question is only whether it is something like AVCHD smart rendering is developed, right? Is the problem with the long GOPs with AVCHD in the near future around? I do not doubt that the codec is superior - but I will, without further acquisitions bissl what one can cut.

I'm still really torn out and her and would like to better understand (Buchtip quoted by the author), but had an essay to write about McLuhan and the interview, which I would like to record, it creates buying pressure ...

Love Greetings, Thanks synonymous s.Dich.



Antwort von WoWu:

... I can well understand, but it sounds synonymous as you would not every six months a new camera purchase.
And the issue with the Smart Rendering is a question of program that you used because the concept is pure marketing and no real function deposited ... anyone can use it and I did once when the company according to the underlying functionality and asked quite differing answers. Currently it seems as if EDUS 4.5 Thomson Algorithus uses a transcoding permitted without the MPEG tool to try again.
If I use the DSP development times follow, our PC's very soon hardware support in the form of a small stick get the calculator then the Codierarbeit decreases (or the card of course). So in terms of speed remedy is in sight.
So if you are first of all can live with, maybe not quite so quickly to be able to work, I would synonymous because of the other advantages of the camera for me to decide .... AVC if it already should be. In no way would I because of the (more or less annoying) workflows with ACV HDV still a buy.
The innovations s.dem recording procedures are exhausted and I can hardly any Manufacturer imagine the new chip designs in relation to the CMOS sensors now in a redesign of an HDV camera can influence ... But there is also much on the subject to say ... but all the signs are pretty clear on AVC ....



Antwort von fabkei:

Some may complain about the ever-new, but I believe that the company is such a decision is not easy to make and this conversion is well thought through and makes sense. Ask me why only the Pro field will benefit? Is the format really been so defined?

My Conclusion 14 hours of Internet research and video Active Reading, where I once again a good book to read would be ..., is:
Status quo is probably, HDV has more advantages and is now waiting for all the world to the "Smart Rendering" in the programs hold, or to that in the 2nd Generation of AVCHD camcorders the merits of the codec chip design in the first application to come.

Because I wanted to just decide now and then a competent writer and front of everything is going on. For the interview I probably lend again one or some but now HC7, SR7 and SR8?

True, a camera to buy, not all days, especially as a student ... Thanks Wolfgang.



Antwort von WoWu:

Hello Fabkei ..

... this is a sensible decision that you've taken.
And if you put the question of the future, so you'll see that we once again sent to a compatible format, as it was last to Beta & FBAS times existed.
Finally, all companies, from chip manufacturers, the hardware manufacturer (Camera + monitors) and the broadcaster about a common way.
This includes synonymous (and especially) the commercial products. (We have last week, the first AVC-I sequences are cut and processed, we Quantel has asked us ..). For the NLEs, we will soon have the hardware support, so something like the "smart rendering" unnecessary, because the work of the DSP in real time over.
See The Manufacturer will have those that have not employed with MPEG have ... not because they can not, but because most of the algorithms and procedures are now of such firms are patented, the beginning of s.with this been .. (Thomson, Philips, etc.)
Editing programs will soon mutate to data management programs ... and thus again enormous fast. (The small chip in the slot makes the work).
And that will now go pretty fast ....

Good luck with your interview



Antwort von Marco:

"12 hours times 6 GB 72 GB"

Yes, but in a formatted and partionierte 80 GB hard drive fit on the one hand no longer 80 GB and the other is joined to the pure video files still synonymous thumbnails, metadata and other data. So about 12 hours as a capacity for best video quality with 15 Mbit / sec. Pi mal Daumen fits even when it goes to the SR8.

"HDV has more advantages"

Besides the lower decoding effort I find no merits in comparison with HDV to AVCHD, on the contrary. And the evaluation of the decoding effort is and is primarily with the development of the necessary hardware, is only a matter of time.
In other words: If the system the power demand is, I see in AVCHD to HDV only advantages.

Marco



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Marco ...
... because you have absolutely right ... I see the benefits as well.
We are unfortunately at the moment s.der body s.der all the developments have to be implemented in purchasable products. But just an example. The AVC's DSP alone have only 5 seeds, the others not to serve as AVC to en-and decoding. I could synonymous unstop the other parameters, but that says quite a lot of it because we can deduce how long we should wait for better PC, in real time to adequately work with it. But the PCs are actually not at all, but unfortunately the "lahmaschige middleware ....
So I go there with you absolutely conform .... With a little patience, we have an unbeatable Bals and especially synonymous compatible system for the entire chain ...

And as far as bandwidth is concerned .... because the buyer will have to really watch, because for the first time we have a truly scalable system.
But the bands are described and are defined in ISO / IEC 14496 paper.
But the manufacturer also have to choose which they use Scalierung. The system bandwidth is always at AVC with 25 MBit / s specified.
Only DVCPro has always synonymous of 100 Mbit / s spoken at 720p and then slowly, it was 39 Mbit / s. You see, there's plenty of room interpretation.
The metadata are also not so great ... slightly more counts are the so-called stunt pictures, which actually is not part of the video stream and are only in the MPEG container packed for a quick scan to make.

Synonymous, but I do believe that we are a good format in the future will have.



Antwort von Marco:

Wolfgang, a few questions about AVC-I, which is now synonymous if something gets off topic.

Where exactly - that is where the equipment manufacturer - because today is AVC-I is already in use? I hear so far in this Zuammenhang only of P2 cards. And as data rates for AVC-I are 54.3 Mbit / sec. for the 4:2:0 variant and 111.8 Mbit / sec. for the 4:2:2 variant called.
Uses for Panasonic AVC currently have I?

Were it not for AVC-I, an ideal intermediate for AVCHD, unless broad-based synonymous AVC-I recording cameras are available?
As a production format should AVC-I compared with AVCHD but significantly better properties bring.

Marco



Antwort von wolfgang:

"Marco" wrote:

"HDV has more advantages"

Besides the lower decoding effort I find no merits in comparison with HDV to AVCHD, on the contrary. And the evaluation of the decoding effort is and is primarily with the development of the necessary hardware, is only a matter of time.
In other words: If the system the power demand is, I see in AVCHD to HDV only advantages.


Honestly, this is where I see the generals do not. We still have with the AVCHD editing serious problems, synonymous to fast current systems. Even the latest 4-core systems play native AVCHD material rather just under 25 fps, while it is in native HDV, but 4 or 5 streams are.

Or you can convert only come back to intermediates. Edit HDV natively today we were right in the timeline, with real enough reserve in the preview, and even in the 2-core systems. That is the current reality. I think that you should say - because otherwise the people with their current PCs can be disappointed.

And yet we do not have a AVCHD camcorder, the camera with the features - especially the control of the upper HDV models - would really go.

Sure, the AVC codec modern, no question about it. And clearly, the move away from tape, no doubt synonymous. But alongside the benefits there are synonymous the drawbacks mentioned to me in the thread here too have been touched.

So of the Page forth should all the advantages and disadvantages carefully about - and then decide. More info is here:

http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4686



Antwort von Jan:

Hi,

I have to intervene again, unfortunately, the middle, unfortunately some errors here.

In SR 5.7 & 8 and CX 6 shall be to delete individual clips, and even trim - that is, in the Camera already separated. Trim in the camera can zb competitor Panasonic SD 1 & DX 1 yet.

The dubbing speed advantage in AVCHD is already there, with quite an HDV tape must be run - so you wait for a good 1 hour 60 min movie, SR 8 is only possible because of your computer system to slow down, about 20 minutes playing time is no problem.

Sonyhat so now the new direct burner VRD MC 5 (now understands AVCHD) synonymous at that time did a short DVD with a couple of minutes - was very quick.

JVC promises with its direct-burner with a DVD compilation of a camera via USB hard drive of 60 min film (4 GB) in about 30 min Gesammtzeit.

HDV is but how many times said here simply better equipped than comparable AVCHD Models - HC 7, for example, the SR 7:

- Manual Tonaussteuerung
- Zebra
- Manual Shutterwahl
etc

ahead.

But the direct scene access and a quick edit in the camera, synonymous with the scene search (eg facial search) AVCHD will bring the victory.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Marco:

The SR models are all synonymous zebra, 70% and 100%.

Marco



Antwort von wolfgang:

"Jan" wrote:

The dubbing speed advantage in AVCHD is already there, with quite an HDV tape must be run - so you wait for a good 1 hour 60 min movie, SR 8 is only possible because of your computer system to slow down, about 20 minutes playing time is no problem.


Only you have the time to conversion intermediates to reckon with, if you just AVCHD because of the weak preview capabilities natively edit no longer wants. That puts the time record holding something. Nevertheless it is true - about the playing time in real time with HDV is just for major projects always a brakeman.

"Jan" wrote:

But the direct scene access and a quick edit in the camera, synonymous with the scene search (eg facial search) AVCHD will bring the victory.


The quick editing in the camera is certainly the case for extremely time-critical applications makes sense - but only synonymous. For many people does it take to cut rather long - then the things on the PC drag synonymous, because the camcorder so again ready to have.

With the announcement of the HDV models of Sony, the record on memory cards and actually a surprise, we should rather HDV AVCHD in addition to remain in use to see.



Antwort von Jan:

@ Marco - erwischt yes - I have no idea how I change the setting on the zebra could see - is what the whole "house" menu "very rear - naja

So SR CX 5,7,8 and 6 with Zebra overexposure indicator - are sinking in the ground ....

VG
Jan



Antwort von wolfgang:

Macht nix, come back from the ground. I know from reliable source that the recent Marco synonymous times synonymous with the new camera had a little search ...
:))))




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