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Question of Niels:
Juli 2005
Hello
I have to start before the autumn on a world tour. And I will turn next to a little vacation mainly small documentaries. There are many synonymous Interior, as well as recordings occur at dusk, and because of the luggage, I will have no lights available.
Now my knowledge is fairly limited on your camcorder. While reading here has already helped, but so very track I still have not.
What I seek is the following. I want the focus, zoom and aperture can control manual. (as I know of my old super8 camera.;)) This thing should be reasonably robust and can survive the journey, and s.wichtigsten of all, they must deliver a quality that is for TV.
The whole thing will be my diploma and I would like to maintain at least a theoretical chance that maybe I can sell.
But there is a problem, I have a very limited budget. More than 1500 ¬, I can not spend on what second-hand.
I would be very grateful if you give me Could you recommend 2-3 models.
Thanks before,
Niels
Reply Bruno Peter:
Among the revelers, the SonyVX 2100 ..., no doubt, but only in 4:3 (top quality in DV) and it has only a very weak function Photosmart counts ...
Elsewhere here in the forum as a professional cameraman praised the Panasonic NV-200, he would do so even for TV recording, while the NV-250 is certainly not a whole tick better.
I do a lot CamperTours and have decided, therefore, for a very compact multi-model, which is synonymous function has a very good photo. The photos I build in video, simply because of the high and can Resolutionder Images synonymous zoom and pan out well later in the video editing program. What is great that I can even make a device with flash photography, so in low light. Perhaps, therefore, the Panasonic NV-GS 400 interesting for you. The recordings are very good and it will be added real 16:9 anamorphic and written to the tape.
On my HP You can find more details on my camcorder.
Maybe you should waste a thought but synonymous for HDV, after all, you get to about 1,700 ¬ uro a high-resolution HDV camcorder of SonyHDR-HC1. But you might still need the appropriate equipment for handling, synonymous for the projection, of course, if you want the detail of the HDV format have something. The light intensity is comparable, however, is not synonymous with the DV camcorder VX Sonyzu of 2100.
Which camcorder to withstand rigors of your trip, here no one knows, can not tolerate the salt water all!
Reply Markus:
@ Bruno Peter
The VX2100 can also Anamorphic 16:9 format to record as the GS400.
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Hello Niels,
"for TV" in this country are all of the images made with PAL camcorders are. What you probably mean "sendetauglich" ( "I want to maintain at least a theoretical chance that I maybe able to sell").
Besides a good (3CCD) camcorders synonymous You need a decent tripod, as wobbly handheld shots are only available in very few cases sendetauglich (exception: coverage / ENG) and image stabilizers not perform miracles! For the Interior a wide angle lens is recommended. If the sound does not consist only of atmosphere, then you need synonymous with the requirements corresponding microphones. When it gets too dark ( "... dawn ..."), to make useful recordings with the camcorder, you come s.zusätzlichem light does not pass. In short: The budget is too tight. Roughly min were calculated. EUR 2,400 is required. The contrary is also the limitation of the luggage (only camcorder with nothing?).
( "Now my knowledge of your camcorder is fairly limited. [...] As I know of my old super8 Camera"). The differences between film and video are huge. Who can turn a chemical film to s.The limitations of video technology (and how it treats) must all become. How much time did you practice before you travel to with the new camcorder and evaluate s.Television the recordings again and again?
Finally, we forget even the Sendetauglichkeit the recordings: In this case, and your budget for the proposed St. Bruno of Panasonic GS400. New mind, and with 2 years warranty.
Reply GhostDog:
"for TV" in this country are all of the images made with PAL camcorders are. What you probably mean "sendetauglich"
But of course I mean sendetauglich.
Tripod is of course of course. Wide Angleist synonymous clear. But it is precisely just what is going on. Proffessionelle equipment I can not afford it.
How much time did you practice before you travel to with the new camcorder and evaluate s.Television the recordings again and again?
3 months ...
Finally, we forget even the Sendetauglichkeit the recordings: In this case, and your budget for the proposed St. Bruno of Panasonic GS400. New mind, and with 2 years warranty.
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So tell me, the GS400 makes ordinary images, but produces nothing sendetaugliches? Regarding the budget, so I speculate synonymous to hand get a good offer. The XM2, synonymous with whom I have already rotated, can be found already s.1200 ¬ ...
Greeting
Niels
Reply Markus:
Hello Niels,
if you have the Canon XM2 and Panasonic GS400 and one good tripod, then the already good conditions for broadcast-images. Both camcorders feature a 3CCD Optics and include the "advanced class". ;-)
The SonyVX2100, which is traded as currently the best consumer camera in the SD area, but you will not get used synonymous for 1,500 euros.
Reply AMH:
The recordings are very good and it will be added real 16:9 anamorphic and written to the tape.
That is not true 16:9! Or does the camera around 16:9 CCDs?
Gruss
Alex
Reply Bruno Peter:
Must be able to read correctly:
I wrote that with true 16:9 is taken up with the 3CCD chips. Anamorph is written on the tape, just as synonymous with the XL2!
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@ Niels, of course, the GS400 produces sendetaugliches material.
Citation VIDEOMEDIA 1/2-2005:
The NV-GS400 is the offered price and terms of other features a fantastic device.
Reply AMH:
sorry, I did not know!
Gruss
Alex
Reply wolfgang:
Seem to me of the equipment listed here, the XM2 is a good choice to be - I would much prefer the 400. Or the aforementioned HC-1 - which would have the advantage that you same film in HDV. But regarding the manual controls as you have to make cuts, I'm afraid. The camera is not very flexible in this regard.
More Info gibts in HD (V) region of the video meeting place, where the HC-1 Width synonymous intense discussion is:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/board.php?boardid=42
Reply jonnyb:
Maybe you should waste a thought but synonymous for HDV, after all, you get to about 1,700 ¬ uro a high-resolution HDV camcorder of SonyHDR-HC1.
Lowest price I could find: 1574.90 ¬
gruss
Bernd
Reply AMH:
Although this already is beyond his budget! With the Pana GS400 he had a little money for other equipment.
But I would prefer the XM2 synonymous.
Gruss
Alex
Reply jens:
@ Bruno Peter
The VX2100 can also Anamorphic 16:9 format to record as the GS400.
Sure, Mark? As far as I know it records only letterboxed.
Jens
Reply Markus:
Perhaps, therefore, the Panasonic NV-GS 400 interesting for you. The recordings are very good and it will be added real 16:9 anamorphic and written to the tape.
Hello Jens,
on which camera you are referring to you? - For the GS400 I do not know from personal experience, but had) left me that Bruno Peter knows his camera (see quote. The VX2100 is my statement that I have examined (Page 54 manual, clearly, the VX2100 can only record anamorphic "true" 16:9, but no letterbox). ;-)
Reply jens:
Nope: the VX2100 can record any anamorphic 16:9. If you choose to 16:9 mode are simply added the top and bottom black bars (see of your PD170). Leading to a loss s.Resolution properly.
Therefore, I thank my century!
Greetings, Jens
Reply Markus:
Hello Jens,
Anamorphic 16:9 means that the video images are recorded with the full resolution (720 × 576) in the correct pixel aspect ratio (1.42). A 4:3-Television presents a recorded Anamorphic 16:9 square is stretched in the Height:
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The "fake" 16:9 letterbox display technique is called, so black bars above and below, to a 4:3-Picture gives the impression of a widescreen image, without actually deliver the full Resolutioneines 16:9 image. This is the "Format" (it is for real 4:3) on a 4:3-Television presented as follows:
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I appreciate, you mean the different uses of the CCD area? True widescreen CCDs are in the consumer camp still in short supply and therefore the entire area is not used for image generation:
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This definition, the VX2100 and PD170 delivers a true 16:9, anamorphic widescreen.
Reply jens:
Hi Mark,
aneinandervorbei maybe we are talking about. Is not it true that when "true" 16:9 a gain s.Bildinfo should be left to the right and 4:3-mode. In fact VX2100/PD170 this is not the case. 4:3 letterboxed, the picture is still synonymous represented the 16:9 picture in a 4:3 CCD VX2100. Since I never had filmed in the 16:9 mode, but now I can not say exactly whether and how the whole s.einem 4:3 TV-Device represents.
But to return to the starting time point with the 16:9 mode is the VX2100 and PD170 the OP (see Kiara ;-) begin only a little, because it is associated with a deterioration of image quality.
Reply jens:
BTW:
Mark, why is your name for registered members really green?
Because of your uncanny many (good) contributions?
Find ich echt sharp as you, engage you here!
Reply Markus:
Is not it true that when "true" 16:9 a gain s.Bildinfo should be left to the right and 4:3-mode.
This of course would be better than a loss of image content, and see above the bottom, but this property is in the ratio of the image intensifier based (see figure above). Conversely, it is similar: If you are with a 16:9 Camera (with 16:9 CCDs) in the 4:3-mode recording are, left and right cut off the edges, rather than this will be extended above and below the picture. Unfortunately, this is a limitation of the technique, but with your wide-format s.sich do anything. This is defined only on the Resolutionund the pixel aspect ratio.
16:9 mode [...] is associated with a deterioration in image quality.
I think that is of the particular camera, the total number of pixels (enough reserve?) And the subsequent signal processing dependent. On my PD170 I do not see any qualitative restrictions on 16:9 pictures, but I could well imagine that 1CCD cameras due to the color acquisition by means of CCD matrix
I did not like the blue, because I have changed the color to green. ;-) No, joking aside, I'm here Moderator.
Reply jens:
I think that is of the particular camera, the total number of pixels (enough reserve?) And the subsequent signal processing dependent. On my PD170 I do not see any qualitative restrictions on 16:9 pictures, but I could well imagine that 1CCD cameras cut due to the color acquisition by means of CCD matrix differently.
Have you all tried many times on a 16:9 TV. In my opinion, you have to zoom to the same effect as if you were in a 4:3 picture. From this perspective it makes no sense otherwise an anamorphic lens. Then it would indeed engage in a wide range of adapter and attach the "fake" 16:9 mode ...?
Greetings s.den Mod
Jens
Reply Markus:
On tube televisions (up to 70 cm diagonal) 16:9, the picture looks as good as comparable to the 4:3-Camera Picture of the same. Over the next week but I have a large 16:9 television there, which I will thoroughly test (uswith a 4:3 - and 16:9 - Video) ...
(Results to follow)
Reply jens:
So I'm excited. Actually, one of the material, it would need to test with you of an anamorphic 16:9. And since I can not imagine that with the camera's 16:9 is performing better ... as I said, otherwise even a simple wide-angle Objektivgenügen ...
Reply Bruno Peter:
In my opinion, you have to zoom to the same effect as if you were in a 4:3 picture. From this perspective it makes no sense otherwise an anamorphic lens.
That is so not true
My anamophen records have 576 lines vertically. You magnify 420 lines and is a significant quality of smear!
Here you can see how much in anamorphic DV recording in the width of my camcorder will be resumed:
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The inner Picture is an excerpt from a 4:3 recording of identical location.
Reply jens:
Bruno och Petter
we speak of the vx2100/PD170 and not of thy beloved Pana.
And after all of you so what I read in various forums, I'd rather not lie with you in case ;-)
http://www.centuryoptics.com/products/dv/16x9/16x9.htm#
Reply Niels:
One weeks since I was not at home I could answer no more.
I am grateful for the many answers to all those who helped me. I think I'll try to get the XM2.
But if anyone else has comments, I will keep reading.
Thank you so,
Niels
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