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I want it to jump: Beller on assembly rules




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I want it to jump: Beller on assembly rules of heidi - 30 Apr 2008 22:28:00
Small Reading Note: Hans Beller has relevant textbooks and be trimmed in the essay "Dos and Don'ts - Early assembly rules" some interesting examples of authoritarian regimes put together. The cut is invisible so something like a dogma in the assembly, always beautiful in motion and nothing cut accents. But there are other rules as the supposed three-step rule, or only in exceptional circumstances "allowed" Free Frame Cut. The Jump Cut, on the other hand, the most popular anomaly simply be - the above quote, for example, of Sternberg attributed ... (More info at schnitt.de, link below.)

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Reply Axel:

A Bout de Souffle is of 1960, and Jump Cuts of this type are today, almost 50 years later, without any of the audience accepts. Like all experiments, which was noticed in their time, today every sequence of CSI Miami (eg)] to 50, 60 Jump Cuts, and everybody sees them as "style". Also surreal montages, as Buñuel anwandte prominently, profane appear in series like Ally McBeal (for example) to None and scrapes are s.Kopf.

If the article 20 years ago appeared ...

The old school, the sedate Continuity editing is a style among many, similar to the naturalistic style of painting, which is a sometime just happens to be silly.

Is it still on next? Are all the possibilities described and thus the opportunities for creative progress truncated?

In order to extend the range, we must first know it. I believe this is true for most modern-minded editors to (even for most consumers, if they are synonymous never analytically with the impact of cuts deal). The existing range must be regarded as the rules apply, of the proceeds from it. It is deliberately done differently, with a knowledge of the craft looking for a challenge. You need creative freedom, the article says it all. Above all, you need the professional dissatisfaction with mediocrity that you find everywhere.

Huge potential for development in my opinion has the form of storytelling itself, not so much the individual section (continuous loop or not, etc.), but the assembly of entire narrative strands. Again it makes the television front: The intros to the more recent impact of Criminal Intent suggest a beginning to believe a brief review of "Episode 1" to see (after the motto so far), but all omissions therein (dramaturgic Jump Cuts quasi) are in fact unnecessary for understanding the situation. Also this is just an example.

Against this perspective, the question of how to drink from a glass s.besten dissolves in three settings, similar to how relevant the question of how to s.besten a foot schnürt so that it does not grow next.



Reply Axel:

Incidentally annoying that you have a comment to an article, the act of editing, can not edit. Is there nothing to do?



Reply tom:

"Axel" wrote:
Incidentally annoying that you have a comment to an article, the act of editing, can not edit. Is there nothing to do?


That is s.sofort.

Thomas



Reply Axel:

"tom" wrote:
"Axel" wrote:
Incidentally annoying that you have a comment to an article, the act of editing, can not edit. Is there nothing to do?


That is s.sofort.

Thomas

Thank you very much.



Reply Elenex:

[quote = "Axel"]
Huge potential for development in my opinion has the form of storytelling itself, not so much the individual section (continuous loop or not, etc.), but the assembly of entire narrative strands. Again it makes the television front: The intros to the more recent impact of Criminal Intent suggest a beginning to believe a brief review of "Episode 1" to see (after the motto so far), but all omissions therein (dramaturgic Jump Cuts quasi) are in fact unnecessary for understanding the situation.
quote]


... can not help me, but somehow comes to me as a sort of synonymous to literacy or mental castration before (from this kulturimperialistischen crap, the "our" TV people think the Americans have to buy, apart). Ultimately, too much reduction and control through the assembly, where's the poetry in which I need to in a movie (synonymous mystery series) can resonate to?



Reply Axel:

"Anonymous" wrote:
"Axel" wrote:
... recent impact of Criminal Intent


... can not help me, but somehow comes to me as a sort of synonymous to literacy or mental castration before (from this kulturimperialistischen crap, the "our" TV people think the Americans have to buy, apart). Ultimately, too much reduction and control through the assembly, where's the poetry in which I need to in a movie (synonymous mystery series) can resonate to?

Kulturimperialsmus? Phew, do not know how I should be commenting.
I think not a lot of crime series. And the lack of poetry you can accuse them synonymous, dear guest. And here you will come into play. If you do not want to reduce, if your personal style is slow to "swing", then such a turn, poetic work. I wonder whether there are so many invisible cuts will contain (continuity) or the reception if you do not steer you through installation.
Again, in plain English: This Unterthaltungsserien contents are garbage. In the micro area (slices) is much exhausted what it s.schicken, no longer synonymous new fractures are usually (usually break is certainly synonymous with the digital editing, have become the rule). In the macro range (assembly) is set to old recipes. Whether someone slowness rediscovered, or the concentration of the next content ahead, if new techniques such as 3D or narrative games (interactive fiction) the medium it up: Formally times is a small revolution is due.



Reply Elenex:

"Axel" wrote:
If you do not want to reduce, if your personal style is slow to "swing", then such a turn, poetic work. I wonder whether there are so many invisible cuts will contain (continuity) or the reception if you do not steer you through installation.
Again, in plain English: This Unterthaltungsserien contents are garbage. In the micro area (slices) is much exhausted what it s.schicken, no longer synonymous new fractures are usually (usually break is certainly synonymous with the digital editing, have become the rule). In the macro range (assembly) is set to old recipes. Whether someone slowness rediscovered, or the concentration of the next content ahead, if new techniques such as 3D or narrative games (interactive fiction) the medium it up: Formally times is a small revolution is due.




"Vibration" was probably not the right word, which sounded SLOWNESS after that I felt but not necessarily. (Well, things can quickly swing synonymous ....)

"... small revolution is due.": I'm not professional, but can see no opportunities for an evolving towards potential revolution in the film medium.
Sounds so synonymous with you to: "In the micro area (slices) is much exhausted, ...)
Are synonymous, etc. Re-Mixes

INTERACTIVE FEATURE FILMS I think technology applications that are manufactured, because the techniques, but not because they are useful and valuable creative - rather an unimaginative style, entertainment value to increase.

Antithesis of the aforementioned garbage and the whole TV Mediokrität:
CONTENT, intelligent, creative and really understand the nature of things and DIALOGUES penetrating the essence of things show pictures.

Sounds maybe a little poetic, but my growing wisdom age brings me some time to re s.DAS TRUE, THE GOOD THE + SCHÖNE to believe, and this can be synonymous in every thriller as exciting structure expression.



Reply Axel:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Antithesis of the aforementioned garbage and the whole TV Mediokrität:
CONTENT, intelligent, creative and really understand the nature of things and DIALOGUES penetrating the essence of things show pictures.

This is now slowly esoteric. Content. Suppose we have a suspicion about each sublime classic: Goethe. A wise man, which is in fact about the nature of things ( "what the world together on the inside") has made thoughts. As he has this very rich content trying to convey? By way of struggle for the right technology, the mere nature / reality penetrating Language.

That is synonymous here. Film is a Language. Beginning of the 20th Century it was largely still a foreign language. Today it is very well developed vocabulary. Hinz and Kunz make movies, and they operate from the repertoire of over 100 years of accumulated Versmaße. This is most Blabla - the main Mediokrität of you. Not only because nothing of importance is said, synonymous, because this is nothing yet with strange words said. Rarely there is an eye-opening experience. If, then is the form synonymous always original, ie not in accordance with a scheme.
Quote:
I am not professional, but can see no opportunities for an evolving towards potential revolution in the film medium.
Sounds so synonymous with you to: "In the micro area (slices) is much exhausted, ...)
Are synonymous, etc. Re-Mixes

That I see differently. I refer to new opportunities (eg games) in the bill with one. At the beginning of cinema (one year market pleasure) was educated under: movies are produced, because it's the technology, but not because they are useful and valuable creative - more a kind of unimaginative, entertainment to ordinary people to bring.



Reply mann25:

With esoterics I have nothing s.Hut.

With Goethe plädierst you for the form / en / language of form. Can I believe in it; Film-/Formen-/Language has since developed market pleasure / ausentwickelt - if ok.

New opportunities: games, interactive (very euphemistically expression) context. These opportunities do not seem particularly revolutionary culture. No matter.

"Formally, times a small revolution is due."
Why? Only to the (small) revolution's sake? Can / may be more or less immanent forms, form of the language is still in the same way (moving images) existing medium of film 'consume' wear?

If you have a dialectical relationship between form / shape language (Schnitt-/Montagetechnik) and content (Picture / Sound / Dialog) under, a qualitative leap Development ( "Revolution") by way of forms change "happen"?

Well, yes it was only a "small revolution overnight." Should there be a small change in fashion? Something New to consume for the oversaturated perception buds? New rules for Aesthetics Discuss the circle?

I would-if-then for the Revolution in the core of things, which starts at DIALOG in film-this can be OUR INNER synonymous with the film's content and goes beyond the images next to the forms.

So, intelligent script, acting for the appropriate people, people with the camera know what to start, cutting etc.

But just a few new techniques chuck, Baah ... no I want EVERYTHING NEW.



Reply Axel:

"mann25" wrote:
I would-if-then for the Revolution in the core of things, which starts at DIALOG in film-this can be OUR INNER synonymous with the film's content and goes beyond the images next to the forms.

So, intelligent script, acting for the appropriate people, people with the camera know what to start, cutting etc.

But just a few new techniques chuck, Baah ... no I want EVERYTHING NEW.

Very good. No opposition, misunderstandings removed. Hope you see something of you.




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