Frage von Vaterbär:
Hi Everyone,
I am a hobby filmmakers and turn with my Canon MV600i little movies of my kids, vacations and birthday parties. I've collected with different experiences editing programs (Ulead, Pinnacle, Premiere, Vegas). I want to upgrade to HD and the Panasonic SD 707 have taken the eye. I've got some questions about the recording format. Maybe someone can help me here?
1080p25 to 1080p24 The SD 707 is able to record 1080p25. Unfortunately, the Blu-Spec but will only play 1080p24. Can you reinterpret a 1080p25 stream so that the editing program it processed as 1080p24? As a result, the clip would run a bit slower but the 1/25s will be hardly felt. A conversion of 25b / s to 24b / s at a constant clip length is surely lead to frightening jerks and / or bars in the Picture.
Especially great to find the 1080p50 mode because I could turn it real slow motion, if one can interpret this material as synonymous 1080p25 (p24).
Has anyone of you made Schonmal?
I Work with Premiere and the time in the future would like to switch to Vegas. I have read in the forum, that Vegas should be very flexible as to work with footage in a different frame rate. because someone has experience?
Antwort von JMS Productions:
The SD 707 is able to record 1080p25. Really? Can they do that? I had been of the opinion it could only 1080p50 and 1080i
Antwort von Vaterbär:
I had been of the opinion it could only 1080p50 and 1080i Well, it is certainly in
Antwort von wolfgang:
Basically, you can stretch the timeline accordingly in order to make synonymous 1080 1080 25p 24p - well does it work if you rausrendert all the material, and then file again in the time line stretches and places.
The other option is to remain at 1080 50p, and about the play of a suitable hard disk player. Since the conversion saves you - and may remain synonymous at 1080 50p, which has a better motion resolution, compared to 1080 25p (it was the one you want to do it consciously).
Antwort von Prinzregent:
Here two files
http://www.aktiv-verlag.com/~webvideos/testvideos/2010/panasonic/Panasonic_HDC_TM_700_P_50p.MTSand
http://www.aktiv-verlag.com/~webvideos/testvideos/2010/panasonic/Panasonic_HDC_TM_700_P_50i.MTS I'm at my gestet in premiere and can not handle it well
Antwort von Vaterbär:
Time-line stretch? I can set the clip length. In the clip, but re-rendered and there are still 1 + 1 / 25 Picture aggregated into one. I can not synonymous, the project settings set to 24 fps. The problem always remains the same.
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A 1 / 25 of this Picture ...
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25 B / s +----+----+----+----+----+----+
24 B / s +-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
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... There is reingerendert.
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This is not the same, as if I 25p material with 24 B / s play, right?
Antwort von Vaterbär:
The other option is to remain at 1080 50p I would like the final result on a BluRay burn and the same can only 24p. In SD-shooting I can rely on that DVD video can be played back guarantee with every aunt and grandmother. That should just be as synonymous with HD. So I want to have the film in 24p s.end Standard compliant.
The better motion resolution at 50p I buy my motion with the abandonment of my real slow. Furthermore, the measure of all things the big screen. And since I'm so synonymous "only" 24 images.
Antwort von Pianist:
I would like the final result on a BluRay burn and the same can only 24p. Who says a thing? You can not normally turn into 1080i and then create a BluRay for the Mpeg-2 file in 1080i. Today's Flat TV (actually just saw a Samsung P2770HD) can thus handle well, making a beautiful picture and a good motion resolution.
Matthias
Antwort von WoWu:
Why should he format for the
worse and
worse to access additional codec??
Antwort von Pianist:
Why should he format for the worse and worse to access additional codec?? What should I be after you think it bad?
Matthias
Antwort von WoWu:
I will surely not take the question seriously?
Antwort von Pianist:
I will surely not take the question seriously? But that really interests me now. There are not as many ways to create a working BluRay. 1080i as MPEG-2 is one of these. Which version would be suitable in your opinion better? I believe so that you do not necessarily need a BluRay because there are enough other playback options, but he has specifically asked for BluRay.
Matthias
Antwort von WoWu:
Yes, but he has been synonymous given the right answer: 1080p24 ...
... what he can do is try synonymous nor from the secondary formats, 1080p48, which is used for 3D applications.
If a bit but depends on how its infrastructure is so clear.
But both of interlaced, as synonymous of MPEG2 I would have now become the finger.
Antwort von Pianist:
Yes, but he has been synonymous given the right answer: 1080p24 ... But why do something like in the 50 Hz world? For him, as the Home Office may well be no preference, but who the broadest possible range of European usability must cover, for this is nothing.
But both of interlaced, as synonymous of MPEG2 I would have now become the finger. This was the time when the Flachgeräte still could not deinterlace as well. Meanwhile, it seems to look so that the modern parts zurechtbauen from a 1080i picture something that looks like in motion then synonymous extremely great. So I have to complain there's nothing left, and I'm real picky. As for the codec, as you can of course times to try each different variants. What codecs other than MPEG-2, since, generally deal with half-frames?
Matthias
Antwort von WoWu:
Matthias.
What you see there is no successful de-interlacing, but there are masking procedures, the artifacts overlap. An De-interlacing is since the time Yves Faroudjas anything done because more than 60 patents synonymous others, contained for the companies interesting technologies.
The patents have learned since then is no change or expansion, or new patents have been filed to designate the other, improved procedures. An interlaced does not work for "sock", especially as AVC already includes a combination of progressive and interlaced in a Picture.
That would be so, is known since 1993. It would have been the reason quite a harakiri. Whoever speaks of new algorithms, may appoint a new patent-pending, based on it.
What they see are masking methods, such as 100 / 200 Hz frame representations.
Just is not seen any contribution on the same (good) unit.
You may indeed have such a great device, but if the parents have the thread starter just such a device? And that it is prima methods, different pictures (and seemingly better dazustellen), may be so, only those devices work with progressive images at least as good if not better, not because there are so many to cover up mistakes.
It remains the case. Interlaced not only has the disadvantage of spatial resolution, it has the synonymous systemic disadvantage of poor Chromadarstellung, whereas no way Algorithus helps.
And the codec issue, which can deal with for half-frames, stands only did not work.
This should also be noted that MPEG 2 in the context of memory little more economically viable extensions allow for the amateur, however, AVC will contribute in the following profile to a clear image enhancement, all in the context of affordable data storage.
Those circumstances are easily forgotten.
MPEG2 is as dead as half the spatial resolution.
And if you like synonymous still be satisfied, it is a matter of time until you no fields and no synonymous MPEG2 doing more.
my tip to "Vaterbär" is still to consider whether his representation of chain can handle 1080p48.
And if you ask me why there are only limited in BR progressive format, then look at the Manufacturer and to its patent position, where he earned when he s.welchem Patent and when s.welchem patent must pay .... Synonymous Then you can show why new technologies of some companies are not supported or only very late.
Antwort von Pianist:
What you see there is no successful de-interlacing, but there are masking procedures, the artifacts overlap. How is that solved technically, that's me, yes, in principle, no preference as long as it looks good. And I mean that in the said device, the better representation of movement seems to me previously known devices, which are played with 25 frames than most. I can sometimes turn a few test shots in 25PsF and see if it looks the same. 24P would come for me at least not in question, because I order the 50-Hertz world would leave. And yes there is still officially not 1080p50, except in some consumer devices.
For codec: I like the WMV codec, for example, very good. Such files I create with the Grass Valley Procoder of which can deinterlace very well. However, I must again say that 25 frames do not look at many Flachgeräten best if you exercise a lot in the Picture. But perhaps the Manufacturer have done so well on this problem in recent months to break through, so it is a significant difference whether a device has been purchased today or a year ago. That would be a very positive development.
Matthias
Antwort von WoWu:
Oh well. Matthias,
I would not be surprised if it did not give 1080p50/60, but an agreement on p48 and the cross.
The 1998 was discussed before, however, among other things, sign.
And because it is unusual that there is no specification of p50/60, this could be an additional indication.
What approach the TV equipment, thus circumventing now much better with P pictures, because the processing is obviously easier and represent the display variations within the time available better alternatives.
But TV sets are not synonymous by the fact that in the interlaced vertical scanning frequency close s.der vertical Nyquist limit and control such errors are difficult or obscure.
What the codec part, I type in times that are now in WMVHD, VC1 behind it, because yes WMV allowed three codecs.
But this is nothing more than a pretty old Draft of H.264 AVC and synonymous to the rights management and some not existing tools are not so different of AVC.
And what the equipment concerns .... there must Manufacturer future no longer smart to cover up, because what might look like in 25 full frames still ruckig, has in 48 or 50 of alone done.
Antwort von Axel:
The last thing I heard was that Bluray falls far short of expectations. The sales stagnate, not only in decline. A market saturation in the single digit percentage range, which is called a niche. After all, all brand BD player (Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, LG), I know, create no judder at 24p on home-LCD Television, and lubricate the same movements of interlaced TV pictures not to the screen. Fine thing. But the future probably lies elsewhere.
