Grabby of TerraTec

wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I do not know if this the right newsgroup for my problem is that
> but no other newsgroup found.
>
> I have looked at the Grabby of chewed TerraTec
> http://www.terratec.net/de/produkte/Grabby_82247.html, so my old
> S8 films with the help of my video camera, S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
> my PC's hard drive to transfer.

Oha!

Du hast da 2x losses, even of S8 on VHS and then not times of
VHS to digital.

If you have a few euros on you, it should be for 200 euros or
synonymous nor anything branded digital cameras give you at the
Abfilmen with safety 2x happier than to convert ...

To the 200 euro you get perhaps even HD cameras in the other
Sale may already be at / below 100 euros.

Let but the finger of Aipek, Medion and other no-name devices,
although perhaps synonymous even better results than the
double conversion.

Perhaps what would be yes for you?
http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-VP-D371-XEF-Camcorders/dp/B000OXEN5Q/ref%sr_1_27?ie%UTF8&sÎ-de&qid39643965&sr=8-27

Cheaper here:
http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-VP-D381-Camcorders-34-fach- display / dp/B0017XJ4HY/ref% cm_cr_pr_product_top
However, without any software, etc. ..


Otherwise you just look around, read test reports, the grade
slightly older. Discontinued models get repeatedly for partially
under half the new price.


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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

> Du hast da 2x losses, even of S8 on VHS and then not times of
> VHS to digital.

Where does the loss to VHS? These cameras usually have a live picture.

In how far a good S-VHS camcorder is better or worse than a
Entry MiniDV camcorder and the ability of S-video transmission and
Uncompressed subsequent recording by the Grabby better or
worse than the DV codec via firewire with total abortive
4:2:0-Farbsampling (MPEG2 for DVD 4:2:0 sampled Although synonymous, but without the
miserable Farbtreppchen) I leave synonymous times by then.

In short: An S-VHS camcorder was always a bit upscale, the
Sensor is large (corresponding to light) and be good. The analog
Pathway is not optimal, but at least it does not get
these miserable DV Farbtreppchen the Picture. His current path seems
So even me (if he live image and no tape recording elect)
to be better than a DV camcorder.

> To get the $ 200 you might have HD cameras in the other
> Sales, perhaps as early as / below 100 euros.

200 euros for real HDV?

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Answer by Wolfgang Hauser:

Willi Brunner wrote:

> Can someone, perhaps a piece of software that a "capture window" of the =
Size
> the monitor has to be included on the PC in a better movie =
Sharpness
> can be assessed?

Why do not you just close the settings on Television?
Perhaps even goes parallel to the PC.

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Answer by Wolfgang Hauser:

Willi Brunner wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I do not know if this the right newsgroup for my problem is, =
have
> but no other newsgroup found.
>
> I have looked at the Grabby of chewed TerraTec
> http://www.terratec.net/de/produkte/Grabby_82247.html, so my =
old
> S8 films with the help of my video camera, S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
> my PC's hard drive to transfer.

A better quality would probably be a DV camcorder deliver
of a live digital signal to PC can output (aka Firewire
IEEE-1394, can be PC-sided easily retrofitted, if necessary). For =
ranges
synonymous an inexpensive device used with a defective drive.

> Can someone, perhaps a piece of software that a "capture window" of the =
Size
> the monitor has to be included on the PC in a better movie =
Sharpness
> can be assessed?

This offers a television, it is content with Umstöpseln =
connected.
For og IT solution that would easily even in parallel to the PC.

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Answer by Willi Brunner:

Hello Volker,

thank you for your message.

>> Very bad when transferring the S8 movies on the hard drive
>> Very>> small recording window "video" of the software Magix
>> "Movies on DVD 7",
>
> The software you can safely forget about all the steps of the
> Recording to result
>
>> Can someone perhaps a piece of software that a "capture window" of
>> The size of the monitor has to be included on the PC film
>> Better in the sharpness can be assessed?
>
> Virtual Dub (again). The presentation is in standard 1:1 mode,
> That is usually 720x576. By far, not Full Screen,
> But stop as recorded pixel by pixel. To assess sharpness, there is
> Nothing better than 1:1.

Can Virtual Dub synonymous with the current image sharpness when Abfilmen
of S8-film of the screen with the video camera control? I
thought, Virtual Dub is only for editing of videos (cutting,
Apertures use, title, etc.).

Many greetings
Willi

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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Volker Schauff wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
>> You've given 2x losses, even of S8 on VHS and then not times of
>> VHS to digital.
>
> Where does the loss to VHS? These cameras usually have a live picture.

VHS, however, is worse than Super 8 Apart from that you have at each
Converting to another analog medium basically losses.

You offer quality that is not insignificant.

> In how far a good S-VHS camcorder is better or worse than a
> Entry MiniDV camcorder and the ability of S-video transmission and
> Uncompressed recording followed by Grabby better or
> is worse than the DV codec via firewire with total abortive
> 4:2:0-Farbsampling (MPEG2 for DVD 4:2:0 sampled Although synonymous, but without the
> miserable Farbtreppchen) I leave synonymous times by then.

So I have not yet seen his (S)-VHS Movies
really clean in the calculator has been received. The results were
always a compromise, colors and contrasts to grips with
are not entirely synonymous trivial.

> In short: An S-VHS camcorder was always a bit upscale, the
> Sensor is large (corresponding to light) and be good. The analog
> Signal is not optimal, but at least it does not get
> this miserable DV Farbtreppchen the Picture.

The Treppchen get the digitizer behind synonymous, unless
You are not a large file (gerninge Compression)
produce.

> The current path appears
> So even me (if he live image and no tape recording elect)
> to be better than a DV camcorder.

I see not. You have the seeds of S8 film, the worse
Resolutionder Camera, which sometimes makes draus what else and then still
mal's own noise of the camera ...

You have therefore a kind of noise 2x, which is required for compression
vulnerable. It either creates huge files (to the noise
dissolve) or it tends to produce artifacts.

>> To get the $ 200 you might have HD cameras in the other
>> Sales, perhaps as early as / below 100 euros.
>
> 200 euros for real HDV?

The Samsung of me should be called with
720 x 576 pixels no worse than his sen Super VHS.

If there are no marks to be found without problems synonymous HD
for under 200 euros, an internship.
http://www.amazon.de/Praktica-HD-Camcorders-SDHC-Card-Megapixel- display / dp/B00189AC3C/ref% sr_1_9?% Ie UTF8 & si-de & qid 39701869 & sr = 1-9
for just under $ 200 at Amazon is still the model with
60fps


With a bit of search is perhaps synonymous brand merchandise to 200 euros ..

Toshiba, for example, what, even "full HD":
http://camcordernews.de/index.php/Camcorders/Toshiba-Camileo-H20-P30-and-S10-Drei-neue-1080p-Camcorders.html


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Answer by Dieter Sass:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

> VHS, however, is worse than Super 8 Apart from that you have at each
> Converting to another analog medium basically losses.

Willi Brunner s.None agency has written that he wanted something
(first) record on VHS.
In addition, he has not written that he wanted to any analog
Media use.

Gerrit So, once again, only to read, then respond.

A decent analog video camera should have a better picture than
a cheap digital video camera. The analog signal path in the Calculator
should be synonymous with decent hardware is not as negatively affected if
a "Grabby Terratec of" what is good, however I do not know.
I personally have with the digitization of analog material with
analog signal into the TV card no bad experiences,
Recording was then no worse than the previous VHS Picture
on the Television. The "can" of course s.Television lie ...

mfG
Dieter

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Answer by Bernd Nomi:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

>
> So I have not yet seen his (S)-VHS Movies
> Really clean in the calculator has been received. The results were
> Always a compromise, colors and contrasts to grips with
> Are not quite synonymous trivial.

One can roughly say gepeilt when looking at S-VHS recording "wins"
you a copy without visible losses. Therefore, I had my
both a super-expensive we synonymous Beta 2 S-VHS recorder increased. At
Cut with computers was not yet and to think I can
confirm that s.durch the better format, so to speak, a copy of "free
has. "Because I'm really good experiences with the umkopieren of tape to
PC via a mini-DV camcorder had made, I recommend the happy. So
I have good results with None specific hardware (external udn
Cards) seen. On the PC store I always (!) First as
DV-AVI. Space costs little money and now the quality is to
Edit just much better. There are no problems with Tonversatz
nor with "lost frames. With all the shooting about playing there has never been
Errors such as lost frames, etc.
(I have yet (because I do not want to jump up to HD) my
now elderly but totally reliable SONY DCR-PC110E)

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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Dieter Sass wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
>> VHS but worse than Super 8 Apart from that you have at each
>> Convert another analog medium basically losses.
>
> Willi Brunner s.None body has written that he wanted something
> (first) record on VHS.

"so my old
S8 films with the help of my video camera S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
my PC's hard drive to transfer. "

He then converts the Super 8 film on analog S-VHS to. Whether he was still
used a tape and play again or durchschleift, which makes
no great difference.

> In addition, he has not written that he wanted to any analog
> Media.

An S-VHS camera is digital? Interesting ...



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Answer by Peter Koerber:

Dieter,
> Willi Brunner s.None body has written that he wanted something
> (First) record on VHS.
> In addition, he has not written that he wanted to any analog
> Media.
>
> Gerrit So, once again, only to read, then respond.

What is this Rüpelei from open skies? Learn times myself and read
Think!

Quote of the OP:
> I have looked at the Grabby of chewed TerraTec
> http://www.terratec.net/de/produkte/Grabby_82247.html, so my
> old
> S8 films with the help of my video camera, S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
> my PC's hard drive to transfer.

S8 films with an S-VHS camera of Panasonic on hard drive
transferred. S8 and VHS is not the same standard, so it must first S8
after transfer VHS, so then by Panasonic VHS camera to the
hard drive, or? And no, I will not go to the Panasonic Camera
Googling, because I'm not interested in their technology. I read very simple
S8 via VHS to hard drive. And if you can not read and simply
rumrüpeln need, then please leave this here in the NG's. Your Fencing
Private feuds from elsewhere.
Peter

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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

>>> You've given 2x losses, even of S8 on VHS and then not times of
>>> VHS to digital.
>> Where does the loss to VHS? These cameras usually have a live picture.
>
> VHS, however, is worse than Super 8 Apart from that you have at each
> Converting to another analog medium basically losses.

What part of Live Picture, you have not understood? Not "Live on tape"
but live image. Nix VHS.

> Do you offer quality that is not insignificant.

The gift you with the grotto of a bad sensor 100-200 Euro
DV Camera and the color subsampling of the DV codec but synonymous.

The question is, what gives you less quality? I would argue with
a live image of a good sensor is admittedly a bit
antiquated Camera S-VHS via S-Video.

> So I have not yet seen his (S)-VHS Movies
> Really clean in the calculator has been received. The results were
> Always a compromise, colors and contrasts to grips with
> Are not quite synonymous trivial.

My Name is Nobody ;-)

I can give you several ways trivial name, VHS movies easily on the
Calculator transfer. If synonymous nor the main-VHS Issues
namely, the time is not constant and the signal grottige
Signal Processing disappear, and they do with live image, the
with the given hardware even a children's game (especially when in Super8
usually does not even sound with pure plays, probably because of magnetic
Home movies rather rare)

The problem with the color you have in the case of Super8 with the
DV camcorder synonymous, depending on what the presets than for White Balance,
Aperture, shutter speed and Co. has even a much larger. S-VHS
Camcorder was always something upscale and sophisticated, in Comparison to
many DVD devices. Ditto for Hi8, I would say. Since there should be no
Problem, with some coherent and colors without flicker of
Super8 abzufilmen (synonymous when the screen is not optimal transfer medium)

> The Treppchen get the digitizer behind synonymous, unless
> You are not a large file (gerninge Compression)
> Produce.

Well do not. Uncompressed YUV 4:2:2, Lagarith, HuffYUV, MJPEG
(PicVideo or Morgan) ... all without Treppchen.

MPEG2 sampled in 4:2:0, but with a different point of reference and thus
without Treppchen. This means that you really only if you with DV
working.

> I'm not seeing that. You have the seeds of S8 film, the worse
> Resolutionder Camera, which sometimes makes draus what else and then still
> Times the own noise of the camera ...

S8-grit did you MiniDV synonymous. The worse Resolutionder Camera
is not said, at least not as long as you do not become a modern
3-Chipper HDV or attack. The sensor keeps noise at a good S-VHS
Cameras at the lowest limits and is expected of you in your favorite
Samsung camcorders toys is much higher.

> You have therefore a kind of noise 2x, which is required for compression
> Vulnerable. It either creates huge files (to the noise
> Dissolve) or it tends to produce artifacts.

Thou art but synonymous with MiniDV.

> Me of the Samsung should be called with
> 720 x 576 pixels no worse than his sen Super VHS.

If the sensor is really being made.

> If there are no marks to be found without problems synonymous HD
> For under 200 euros, an internship.
> http://www.amazon.de/Praktica-HD-Camcorders-SDHC-Card-Megapixel- display / dp/B00189AC3C/ref% sr_1_9?% Ie UTF8 & si-de & qid 39701869 & sr = 1-9
> For just under $ 200 at Amazon is still the model with
> 60fps

Na geil, only to say "hands off of Aiptek" and then come with something.

> With a bit of search is perhaps synonymous brand merchandise to 200 euros ..
>
> For example, Toshiba has what, even "full HD":
> http://camcordernews.de/index.php/Camcorders/Toshiba-Camileo-H20-P30-and-S10-Drei-neue-1080p-Camcorders.html

Do you have a product synonymous and not a product announcement in this Preisklasseß

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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

>>> VHS but worse than Super 8 Apart from that you have at each
>>> Converting to another analog medium basically losses.
>> Willi Brunner s.None body has written that he wanted something
>> (First) record on VHS.
>
> "So that my old
> S8 films with the help of my video camera, S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
> My PC's hard drive to transfer. "

And do you read anything because of tape recording?

> It then converts the Super 8 film on analog S-VHS to. Whether he was still
> A tape and used again or play durchschleift, which makes
> Not much difference.

The difference is actually quite huge. The live picture of such cameras
is usually a very good measure. With a tape recording
between them offer you:
- Have luminance sharpness (limited bandwidth, analog wiedergabeseitige
Noise reduction)
- Much more-chrominance sharpness (very narrowband Adjusted
Farbträger, Chroma Line averaging during playback)
- Low noise (noise of the tape recording is not 100% suppressed
can)
- And yet more s.Details masses and image quality.

Take a good source times (for example, analog satellite) on VHS or S-VHS and on
geb it again. And then tell me whether you have the loss as "not
serious "look? behave in the same relationship is apparent
Live Picture (directly from the camera out) and tape recording of the camera.

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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Volker Schauff wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
>>>> You've given 2x losses, even of S8 on VHS and then not times of
>>>> VHS to digital.
>>> Where does the loss to VHS? These cameras usually have a live picture.
>>
>> VHS but worse than Super 8 Apart from that you have at each
>> Convert another analog medium basically losses.
>
> What part of Live Picture, you have not understood?

What part of S-VHS Camera did you not understand?

> Not "Live on tape"
> but live image. Nix VHS.

And where does the "Live Picture" come from? Na?

>> Do you offer quality that is not insignificant.
>
> The gift you with the grotto of a bad sensor 100-200 Euro
> DV Camera and the color subsampling of the DV codec but synonymous.
>
> The question is, what gives you less quality? I would argue with
> a live picture of a good sensor is admittedly a bit
> antiquated Camera S-VHS via S-Video.

And I say the opposite.

...

>> Example, Toshiba has what, even "full HD":
>> http://camcordernews.de/index.php/Camcorders/Toshiba-Camileo-H20-P30-and-S10-Drei-neue-1080p-Camcorders.html
>
> Do you have a product synonymous and not a product announcement in this Preisklasseß

Googling yourself can you?


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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

>> What part of Live Picture, you have not understood?
>
> What part of S-VHS Camera did you not understand?

Den, that I do not know where your problem is, since you just set up
Trinicon a camera tube (the one used with portable
Betamax recorders kicked), a DV camera instead s.Analogausgang
Firewire / DV or Digital Betacam Camera s.die body set
can. The result is always the same, a live image from the sensor, which
not by the signal processing part of the drive (or in the case
of the DV codec) and is therefore not of the quality factor
Drive system is influenced.

Okay, when DigiBeta probably a better image sensor installed, but
we leave the außenvor times it is the same as the S-VHS Camera.

>> Not "Live on tape"
>> But live image. Nix VHS.
>
> And where does the "Live Picture" come from? Na?

From the image sensor.

The quality loss occurs only when the tape recording. And a
Live image comes not from the tape times.

If you are not yet understood did, shows that either of
childish behavior (Mama, because the evil uncle is right, but I want
not that the law) or of gross ignorance sure the tech you
of any further discussion disqualified.

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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Volker Schauff wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
>>>> VHS but worse than Super 8 Apart from that you have at each
>>>> Converting to another analog medium basically losses.
>>> Willi Brunner s.None body has written that he wanted something
>>> (First) record on VHS.
>>
>> "So that my old
>> S8 films with the help of my video camera, S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
>> My PC's hard drive to transfer. "
>
> And do you read anything because of tape recording?

Yes, where reads _Du_ tape recording of what?


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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Volker Schauff wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
>>> What part of Live Picture, you have not understood?
>>
>> What part of S-VHS Camera did you not understand?
>
> To that I do not know where your problem is, since you just set up
> a Trinicon tube camera (the one used with portable
> Betamax recorders kicked), a DV camera instead s.Analogausgang
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Firewire / DV or Digital Betacam Camera s.die body set
> can.

If you like what?

> The result is always the same, a live image from the sensor, which
> not by the signal processing part of the drive (or in the case
> of the DV codec) and is therefore not of the quality factor
> Drive system is influenced.

Why s.Laufwerk you hang on?

> Okay, when DigiBeta probably a better image sensor installed, but
> let the außenvor times it is the same as the S-VHS Camera.
>
>>> Not "Live on tape"
>>> But live image. Nix VHS.
>>
>> And where does the "Live Picture" come from? Na?
>
> From the image sensor.

And what created it?

> The quality loss occurs only when the tape recording. And a
> Live image comes not from the tape times.

And what is that for a Live Picture?

Hint, not digitally, not in quality as the Qriginal
S8 ...

[stupid Anmacher deleted]


Still time for Blonde:
You copy the analog to analog (which is passed through the same) to
digitally.
My proposal was directly analogous to digital.

What is probably the better method?


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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

>>> S8 films with the help of my video camera, S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
>>> My PC's hard drive to transfer. "
>> And do you read anything of that tape recording?
>
> Yes, where reads _Du_ tape recording of what?

You argumentierst constantly that it is an S-VHS camcorder that
while anyone with technical expertise can tap,
what with the quality of the sensor to do. It can be
only conclude that you feel that a quality loss due to S-VHS
arises. The only arises when the detour goes and the video
first recorded on tape.

So, if you do not tape record, then explain to me please,
why an image sensor in an S-VHS camcorder a worse Picture
supplies, only because he is in an S-VHS camcorder is.

I am now synonymous times made the effort to the technical data to
Compare.

The discussion below S-VHS camcorder has a 1 / 2 "sensor with 0.4
Megapixels (720x576 are approximately 400,000 pixels). So sometimes with full
PAL resolution (full number of rows and enough pixels in the Width to the
oft-quoted 720 pixels in the scanning in the width of
present.
The Samsung camcorder is with a 1 / 6 "sensor 800,000 pixels
against, but this quickly with 16:9 with square pixels (1024x576) and
followed by downscaling on anamorph explain. And even if
more pixels there are, as effectively only 720x576 is transferred to
garnicht from more pixels.
The sensor noise at the old Giant camcorders with sensors is
unbeatably low. In low light conditions as they are
Canvas transfers prevail, rushing the small modern sensors only
yet. Point for the Panasonic.

About s.Shutter Controls, White Balance and Co in
an old device for enthusiasts vs. possible simply
DAU-held camcorder, we prefer to talk garnicht.

Then the transmission: Analog possibly with slight loss of sharpness
against digitally with color subsampling Treppchen beautiful and true to
diagonal Farbkonturen.
For S-video transmission without the notorious problems of Comb Composite
Video and subsequent digitization with 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 wins
analog transmission, the choice between plague and cholera.

And then the prize question: The Panasonic camcorder was already
available, the grabber is now available and can be synonymous probably because
unsealed software is not returned, he also has the
Synonymous value to the old VHS tapes synonymous still play
can. The Samsung camcorder will cost three times the grabber would
But the added value, again a modern camcorder to have its
Record losses (DV vs Farbtreppchen. The whole horror of the Cabinet
VHS disorders) are lower. Where the old S-VHS camcorder with
low light conditions may still be better
(it will be exciting only with Panasonic 3-Chipper, what are the more expensive).
Here no winner because the added value of personal decision.

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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

>>>> What part of Live Picture, you have not understood?
>>> What part of S-VHS Camera did you not understand?
>> To that I do not know where your problem is, since you just set up
>> A Trinicon tube camera (the one used with portable
>> Betamax recorders kicked), a DV camera instead s.Analogausgang
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>> Firewire / DV or Digital Betacam Camera s.die body set
>> Can.
>
> If you like what?

Yes, if I was on, namely, that you apparently still do not
have understood that a good analogue transmission to the grotto bad
realized DV codec is always preferable. The fact that S-video not
just RGB or YUV, is synonymous to me consciously, but in contrast to IR
it generates at least not Farbtreppchen. That is why I compare
it is with the analog output of the DV-camera.

>> The result is always the same, a live image from the sensor, which
>> Not by the signal processing part of the drive (or in the case
>> Of the DV codec) and is therefore not of the quality factor
>> Drive system is influenced.
>
> Why you s.Laufwerk hang on?

Because you're constantly talking about that the recording of the S-VHS camcorder
is worse because it is an S-VHS camcorder is.

>> From the image sensor.
>
> And what generates?

An analog picture.

>> The quality loss occurs only when the tape recording. And a
>> Live image comes not from the tape times.
>
> And what is that for a Live Picture?

A similar, incidentally, the same as a DV camcorder.

> Hint, not digitally, not in quality as the Qriginal
> S8 ...

The Picture of most DV camcorders, however, is synonymous distance of the
Quality of the original S8. Much crucial for the quality of
Transfers is not the transmission, but the quality of the
Image sensor.

> Once again on Blonde:
> Do you copy analog to analog (which is passed through the same) to
> Digital.

Where is analogous to analog?

> My suggestion was directly analogous to digital.

And where there is analogous to digital?

Small Tip, times get smart on CCD sensors. Here come only synonymous
times out, the tension must be further processed. Okay, if the
Modulation a PAL Farbträgers flachfällt, which already has something, but
the question is content, whether or not a (at Y / C transmitted separately) PAL Farbträger
the greater evil, or the DV Treppchen.

My argument revolves in a circle, because you have every right price
want to keep.

> What is probably the better method?

As I said, when the transmission is the choice between
Plague and cholera. The better method is the better with the
Camcorder, and so a 1 / 2 "sensor in accordance with large and
lichtstarkem Lens is ever really stylish.

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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Volker Schauff wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
>>>> S8 films with the help of my video camera, S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
>>>> My PC's hard drive to transfer. "
>>> And do you read anything because of tape recording?
>>
>> Yes, where reads _Du_ tape recording of what?
>
> You argumentierst constantly that it is an S-VHS camcorder that

Yes, an analog device.

> while anyone with technical expertise can tap,
> what with the quality of the sensor to do. It can be
> only conclude that you feel that a quality loss due to S-VHS
> arises. The only arises when the detour goes and the video
> first time on tape recording.

The result is a loss because you of analog to analog to digital are going,
directly instead of analog to digital. Is that so hard?

....
> And then the prize question: The Panasonic camcorder was already
> available, the grabber is now available and can be synonymous probably because
> unsealed software is not returned, he also has the
> Synonymous value to the old VHS tapes synonymous still play
> you can. The Samsung camcorder will cost three times the grabber,

And now überleg times, what a cheap quality of the grabbers
supplies.

Got it?





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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Volker Schauff wrote:

>> Why you s.Laufwerk hang on?
>
> Because you're constantly talking about that the recording of the S-VHS camcorder
> is worse because it is an S-VHS camcorder is.

No, I'm talking about that since another analog medium between
is.


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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

>> You argumentierst constantly that it is an S-VHS camcorder that
>
> Yes, an analog device.

And does what, when the image sensor is so much better that the
Advantages against the disadvantages minimal transmission losses outweigh?

>> While with no technical expertise can tap,
>> What with the quality of the sensor to do. It can be
>> Only conclude that you feel that a quality loss due to S-VHS
>> Arises. The only arises when the detour goes and the video
>> First time on tape recording.
>
> There is a loss because you of analog to analog to digital are going,
> Directly instead of analog to digital. Is that so hard?

The first is in the DV camcorder as synonymous if you want analog (S8) on
Analog (sensor) to Digital (further) and secondly, synonymous
DV camcorder losses, namely that of a poorly implemented grotte
Consumer codecs.

If you want quality, you need a studio camera with SDI interface.

> And now überleg times, what a cheap quality of the grabbers
> Returns.

Garkeine so bad. Thanks to S-video transmission is nevertheless already
times the Y / C separation of composite signals. Suffering with no
time constant tape sources synonymous falls flat. I've even had enough
Heimer this cheap, even cheaper devices, seen in action from
clean image sources. Under "extreme circumstances" such as VHS may be the
fail. With clean live pictures, it is quite bearable.

But yet you überleg times, what a quality miniature image sensor
of the toys you mentioned camcorder delivers.

> Got it?

Similarly,

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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

> No, I'm talking about that since another analog medium between
> Is.

You clammy until you s.den shortcoming than analog transmission, as quasi -
last bastion to the right.

Just like you, instead, one must believe that if I am now in the Cologne
Pedestrian WDR survey man his shoulder Digital Betacam Camera
Klaue and via analog composite? because no
SDI interface is available (only purely hypothetical, because I s.dem
WDR his camera man would not steal and b) an SDI interface
Available to them), then the analog transmission so bad that
Of the thee favored cheap MiniDV camera also with
Digital lossy transmission achieves a better picture, just because
the picture a bit earlier is digital.

The analog transmission is slightly lossy. This is the digital
thanks to lossy compression with quantization and vermurksten
Farbsampling but synonymous. I'll give you so if in rather than that when
Using a DV camcorder before again thoroughly examine
should be, what is the lesser of two evils, if you live image transfers
(ie S-video without Treppchen somewhat blurred or DV with something sharper
Treppchen), although I still nciht would be safe, as the out.
But it counts but the total package, and plays primarily because of
Image sensor clean. It is still better with a good light Picture
Losses to transfer, as in the original setting, as one of the front
herein may be a bad picture with slightly lower losses.

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Answer by Dieter Sass:

Peter Koerber wrote:

> What is this Rüpelei open from heaven? Learn times myself and read
> Think!
>
> Quote of the OP:
>> I have looked at the Grabby of chewed TerraTec
>> http://www.terratec.net/de/produkte/Grabby_82247.html, so my
>> Old
>> S8 films with the help of my video camera, S-VHS Panasonic NV-MS95E to
>> My PC's hard drive to transfer.

Thanks, ditto.

A video camera can be without the video in the
Hard disk recorder, or in this case in the PC to restore what the OP
synonymous request that his plans. An S-VHS planned
Video, S-Video can output directly, it can with certainty
particularly well.

Please Read First synonymous themselves, in case of doubt, very (!) And accuse
not a "Rüpelei from offenenm heaven." If I only synonymous maximum
half of the original request would have read then I would have been so synonymous
I had difficulties to understand what the OP wants.

To your question: reading and thinking I can, I hope at least that the
is well with you.

You can, however, like to explain to me why you first with an S-VHS device
VHS recording in order to create the entire digitizer. Since
you will not get round about yourself thoroughly with the above
Technique to employ.
It helps of course, to understand what the difference between
direct pathway, the signal on the tape recording detour, analogue
Video, digital video, VHS, S-VHS, Composite Video and S-video.
That Super8 footage is analog you know already.
I would posit times: Google and Wikipedia are your friends,

mfG
Dieter

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Answer by Dieter Sass:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
> No, I'm talking about that since another analog medium between
> Is.

But now is time that you kapierst that an analog signal path
no media in the strict sense.

Media include books, Schlallplatten, video cassettes.

Radio waves are not a medium, so are electrical signals, no preference whether
digital or analog, is not synonymous medium.
A medium is a thing with the content in TV and radio, these
only by the context (and yes, a synonymous one television image is
from pixels together).

The quality of the signal is with a decisive, but it was already
durchdiskutiert that this quality is not that bad.
An analog signal, you have synonymous in a digital camera, whether the
is better than one from the camera out, particularly when it
Camera is a decent, which may be questioned

mfG
Dieter

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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Volker Schauff wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
>> No, I'm talking about that since another analog medium between
>> Is.
>
> You clammy until you s.den shortcoming than analog transmission, as quasi -
> last bastion to the right.

I find it difficult to remain polite, and put your face
Insinuations.

Again, I'm on the road.
Analog-to-analog cheaper A / D converter




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Answer by Volker Schauff:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:

>> You clammy until you s.den shortcoming than analog transmission, as quasi -
>> Last bastion to the right.
>
> I find it difficult to remain polite, and put your face
> Insinuations.

You would confuse with insinuations findings. You clammy until you yes
still s.den analog signal path, although it is absolute Schmarrn.

> Again, I'm on the road.
> Analog-to-analog cheaper A / D converter

Na and? Do you believe in the semi-professional and
NLE editing cards, other than the chips Conexant / Brooktree, NXP / Philips
or the NEC synonymous in small transformers stuck?

Well, I am not speaking now of my SDI decoder which alone
Masses for the FPGAs Comb filter are responsible, but if you look
the old Pinnacle Design and Electronic cards or synonymous current
Maps of Canopus, Matrox, or Viewcast watch, then the
Analog decoders same thing as on any normal TV card and
into any standard USB grabber. Okay, the interpretation of
relevant signal resistors and capacitors, there is clearly
cleaner, but so much more dramatically, the non-synonymous.

But a cheaper A / D converter is the lesser evil in comparison to
a cheap camera. In an A / D converter plug-in parts
Thousand units for a fistful of dollars to acquire. The Grabber
costs 40 euros - in the production is certainly not by 5 euros. In the
Camcorders put an image sensor (already a science in itself),
an expensive optics, and in MiniDV and HDV, a mechanically very
costly drive or memory card at a powerful codec
for AVCHD, H264, which is always synonymous, which is very computationally intensive. And the
So for now is 120 Euro sold, and accordingly (as
is synonymous with no loss Closeouts wants) in the manufacture
still cheaper.

And? Where there is more potential to quality for money to be provided?

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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Volker Schauff wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
>>> You clammy until you s.den shortcoming than analog transmission, as quasi -
>>> Last bastion to the right.
>>
>> I find it difficult to remain polite, and put your face
>> Insinuations.
>
> You confuse with insinuations findings. You clammy until you yes
> still s.den analog signal path, although it is absolute Schmarrn.

Du mich synonymous


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Answer by Thomas Beyer:

Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>
> Volker Schauff wrote:
>
>> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>>
>>>> You clammy until you s.den shortcoming than analog transmission, as quasi -
>>>> Last bastion to the right.
>>>
>>> I find it difficult to remain polite, and put your face
>>> Insinuations.
>>
>> You confuse with insinuations findings. You clammy until you yes
>> Still s.den analog signal path, although it is absolute Schmarrn.
>
> Du me synonymous

What you do with breathtaking speed the level of a
Infant has adapted to its Lolli has not received.

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Answer by Wolfgang Hauser:

Thomas Beyer wrote:

> What you do with breathtaking speed the level of a
> Infant has adapted to its Lolli has not received.

Can you Gerrit about yet?

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Answer by Gerrit Brodmann:

Thomas Beyer wrote:

> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>>
>> Volker Schauff wrote:
>>
>>> Gerrit Brodmann wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You clammy until you s.den shortcoming than analog transmission, as quasi -
>>>>> Last bastion to the right.
>>>>
>>>> I find it difficult to remain polite, and put your face
>>>> Insinuations.
>>>
>>> You confuse with insinuations findings. You clammy until you yes
>>> Still s.den analog signal path, although it is absolute Schmarrn.
>>
>> Du me synonymous
>
> What you do with breathtaking speed the level of a
> Infant has adapted to its Lolli has not received.

Yes, sometimes I can quickly adapt to the environment.

But now I let you into the thread alone next play ...


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