Frage von hdv_encoding:
Hello!
I have my videos as MPEGs HDV (1440x1080). This do I edit in Premiere Pro 2.0 and then burn them to DVD.
Now I would like the finished film (~ 4h) archive to include them in the future HD-DVD, etc. burn them.
How should I proceed s.besten?
I had the idea of the finished films to export as H.264, a codec because it is of the HD-DVD & Co. is used and I am so a further encoding step saves. Unfortunately, the nearly 140GB per film.
Do you have other ideas?
Greeting
David
Antwort von wolfgang:
Update to Adobe CS3 buy, and with the Encore CS3 included a Blu Ray structure with H.264 produce. Depending on the film length can be as synonymous create ISO file, based on conventional DVD blanks can be expected to burn. And at least some of Blu Ray players.
Alternative: There are some other synonymous authoring tool for HD DVD and Blu Ray - they come slowly. Film distillery around 6 +. Magix has included what, also Pinnacle Studio 11 as synonymous Vegas 8th
Antwort von Ich weiß was:
NeroVision 4.9.7.2
Antwort von Pianist:
Unfortunately, the nearly 140GB per film. And where is the problem now? Today archived on 500-GB removable hard drives (serial-ata, I take of the Samsung).
Optical disks are Verteilmedium, but not suitable as an archive medium.
Matthias
Antwort von the machine:
140 GByte fit but synonymous net Bray on ne Disc or HD DVD ... You have the data probably much too high;)
Antwort von Frank B.:
Unfortunately, the nearly 140GB per film.
Do you have other ideas?
Greeting
David Why do not you archivierst in native (*. m2t) HDV format? Since you only need about 13 GB per hour. Yes you can convert only if you really need.
Frank
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well because it always has something - 4 hours Material m2t is approximately 4x13 GB, and that H.264 will be around so much bigger? Oddly, even at a high data rate ...
Antwort von hdv_encoding:
And where is the problem now? The problem is that the films 10 years should be archived and each year about 25 4h movies together (70 hard disks are little much)
It is about the finished film to be archived, not the source data (thus eliminating m2t)
Suggestion: How about with Exporting with Adobe Media Encoder to MPEG-2 (in the format is synonymous recorded) and then there 1440x1080 setting. So I come to 27GB per 4h film. And it fits on 3 double-sided DVD-RAMs.
MfG
Antwort von Darth Twoface:
Suggestion: How about with Exporting with Adobe Media Encoder to MPEG-2 (in the format is synonymous recorded) and then there 1440x1080 setting. So I come to 27GB per 4h film. And it fits on 3 double-sided DVD-RAMs.
Also in this case would be the solution Secure Disk, and Compatible.
The past has shown, the save s.falschen spot usually means total loss.
Antwort von Frank B.:
It is about the finished film to be archived, not the source data (thus eliminating m2t)
MfG I can not quite understand. The only reason for such a behavior would be that you might think, in 10 years can not be more of m2t in the format of your choice convert.
Personally, I'm always in the native format to be archived, since the quality through a different format in the rarest cases, let alone better.
A ready-cut film, you can export multiple synonymous. In Achivierungsformat and in the dissemination format. So I changed it to DV synonymous times: Always copy a DV tape is played back on, then, only when needed, a DVD in Mpeg format.
At my HDV - do I shoot it so synonymous. With the favorable hard today, I now synonymous for archiving on HD on the same format in which I tape off to synonymous (m2t). Since I already had some hard drive crashes, I had the idea to the Bandauspielung in favor of HD-archiving should be waived, however, little queasy.
Therefore I still shoot on important both.
Frank
Antwort von Frank B.:
Still to supplement my previous postings:
I had the idea of the finished films to export as H.264, a codec because it is of the HD-DVD & Co. is used and I am so a further encoding step saves. That's true not. You save you any further encoding. If you're in the m2t file format (source format) to stay, you save initially Kodiervorgang (of m2t after H.264). If you want to burn, (you know not yet what you burn in 10 years you will) you kodierst then only in the format of your choice. You have therefore in this approach a maximum as many Kodiervorgänge, as with your approach. When you can pass it to you that you have in 10 years again umkodierst.
In addition, you should distinguish between the source material and source format. Since it seems possible an understanding problem.
Frank
Antwort von wolfgang:
And this is true only in theory synonymous - although some editing programs today smartrendern for m2t, but it has so synonymous various filters, crossfades, titles, etc. inside - that in any case must be recalculated.
Another limitation in m2t is the audio part - you can not stop his 5.1.
If you want to convert the material next, such as Blu Ray in a structure that is encoded as if synonymous again.
So in the event that there is only stereo inside, and you do not know exactly what format you want to convert some point, you could take m2t. If you have 5.1, I would probably rather directly from the Timlein go to H.264, if available, in the same ideal as a Blu Ray structure. To each case only one to have Encodierschritt.
And my 10 years long madness happens - who calls the sowas? Since you have so Farms store growth, which are organized in Raid ... is expensive and costs.
Antwort von Darth Twoface:
All the talk of the fact that the native m2t format would be. Premiere store for me, but directly into MPEG-2.
Your hard disks for safe keeping as DVD-RAMs in cartridges in his dark, dry cupboard? I can not.
Antwort von Frank B.:
And this is true only in theory synonymous - although some editing programs today smartrendern for m2t, but it has so synonymous various filters, crossfades, titles, etc. inside - that in any case must be recalculated. That is correct, but it has one anyway, no preference on how to ultimately exported. Therefore, I do not mention it. With smart rendering and a film that is not crammed with effects, are relatively little affected parts.
The sound I had not in view. Since you have right. I am currently only in the stereo format. In an emergency you can but surely synonymous in an extra file outsource what mE synonymous not likely to be so complicated.
Frank
Antwort von wolfgang:
All the talk of the fact that the native m2t format would be. Premiere store for me, but directly into MPEG-2.
Your hard disks for safe keeping as DVD-RAMs in cartridges in his dark, dry cupboard? I can not. Premiere can not smartrendern, as far as I know. Apart from that, rather ists no preference whether you as PS or TS stores - the cast is not even connected with loss, with appropriate software.
The more relevant question would be whether an NLE application, the Smartendern for HDV material ever mastered.
And yes, I say this on server farms and
Raid-systems rauslaufen would. And I think that sufficiently reliable - for example when using Raid of 5th
Antwort von hdv_encoding:
Yeah, I now understand that if I change the videos in my case, as MPEG-2 export (= Adobe Media Encoder), no quality loss occurs?
PS? TS?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Program Stream / Transport Stream
No - in an edition, without smartrendern done, is always a certain amount of quality loss. Whether but so great is that you see - that is another matter. Depends synonymous of the goodness from the encoder.
Antwort von Frank B.:
... and with Smart Rendering?
(which can actually SWS?)
Because, as you've already written, only effects, crossfades and title will be charged.
According to my information there is in this case, no or little effects on the
Loss of quality.
Frank
Antwort von wolfgang:
For HDV material currently in the gehobeneren Edius 4.51c with NLEs, Vegas and 8th
And for beginners with tools womble / Easymovie, Pinnacle Studio 11 + (I believe, already synonymous out of 10) and synonymous with Magix VdL.
And that is exactly one of the problems with it: the smart rendered parts are no quality loss in the non-rendered parts smart but very comfortable. Barely visible, but it exists. Long time, therefore, rather the philosophy of many people, just not consciously want to smartrendern.
Nevertheless, the benefits of spending on intermediate smartrendern and rapid spending are enormous - even from temporal perspective. Good tools can, however, a final edition for this function (as in Edius as possible in Vegas - for the other I do not know).
Antwort von Frank B.:
I think my SW kanns synonymous. Avid Liquid 7.2. In any case, it shall render effects, etc. of files, while the remaining material on the source material being accessed.
But I am somehow not so sure, because when you export a movie ever again is durchgerendert. Yes you must somehow synonymous create a new file, which you can then save it. When the so-called fuse keeps Enddatei, however, the original source structure.
So far, I always assumed that (except for the effects hattenwirschonalles etc.) no loss of quality occurs.
But back to the original posting. Even if it were that minor changes - we are talking here of optical imperceptible changes - appear, but talks a lot of interest in its original format to remain (eg Ausspielbarkeit to an HDV drive) I personally would have no problems with it, as synonymous on hard drive for archiving.
Frank
Antwort von wolfgang:
I do not know if Liquid smart rendering of HDV can.
From the output to tape, I advise insoferne from, as this just droped frames for HDV can emerge - perhaps does not recognize and then you have these in archival material. Even if the tape is good otherwise ....
Antwort von hdv_encoding:
Okay. So at the moment because I Adobe Premiere 2.0 and this will remain in MPEG-2 recording, it is probably the best choice synonymous with MPEG-2 export.
Right? :)
Antwort von Frank B.:
Okay. So at the moment because I Adobe Premiere 2.0 and this will remain in MPEG-2 recording, it is probably the best choice synonymous with MPEG-2 export.
Right? :) As you notice, there is no fixed and clear confirmation. Personally, I would make it so. Your software should (do not know exactly) for the matching synonymous export targets have as default (HDV2).
Frank
Antwort von wolfgang:
Whether it is the best choice, I can not judge, because the encoder times comparative tests with other candidates would need. Without measurements you should not judge something.
But it is certainly a possible choice.
