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Neuer mobiler unkomprimierter 4:4:4 Field-Recorder von Cinemartin

New mobile uncompressed 4:4:4 Field Recorder of Cinemartin



Frage von Frank Glencairn:
März 2011

I have a little something written about the new 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 recorder of Cinemartin that record uncompressed.

I'ma strong believer in uncompressed recording. I could never understand why on earth - with today's prices of HDDs in free fall - someone would like to record in a lossy, lossy or worse long GOP codec. At the moment there are only a few solutions for uncompressed recording. Most of them are more expensive than your car and not THAT much portable. The only exception is Cinedeck - but that's still in the stratosphere 10 000 ¬ price. Now the Spanish company Cinemartin comes up with a brand new, very affordable mobile uncompressed recorder. The SFV.

Full article:

http://frankglencairn.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/cinemartin-sfv-new-very-affordable-mobile-uncompressed-recorder/



Antwort von NEEL:

"The SFVe - 4:2:2 - HDMI will only be available after NAB, the SFA comes a bit later.I 'm not allowed to tell you about the price before NAB, but it will blow you off your socks."

Sounds good!



Antwort von Bernd E.:

On his website called the Manufacturer targeted a price of "3xxx" or "5xxx" ¬ for the two recorders. From the secret testimony of Frank but I would conclude that they are still a lot s.Ende be under it, otherwise it would not be a surprise.





Antwort von WoWu:

What heist Why "uncompressed"?
The device does: BM (whatever that is and what the NLE can always synonymous), MPEG2 I-Frame and Avid DNxHD (pending), so maybe. Since one can only say hopefully, because that's the only interesting codec. But not uncompressed.
Or because I have something to read?
And with 3-5k significantly overpriced.



Antwort von Frank Glencairn:

BM stands for Black Magic 8 or 10 bit uncompressed. Eats any NLE.

When you consider that the next best, mobile and uncompressed solution of Cinedeck and costs is 10,000, are not so bad 3000/5000.

Frank



Antwort von WoWu:

Moin Frank,
thanks for the info .... :-( I would have synonymous guessed.

I always had the Cinedeck with 5k + Software Update incl SSD for 2k, 7k So with memories. So I think 5k is not clear enough, especially as synonymous noSSD probably is?

And I understand correctly that the part 3 Gb / s receives?
Or is the "uncompressed" as is often the only "lossless"?
Unfortunately I can not find anything about the data rate and the specs are not there yet.
You know there more?



Antwort von NEEL:

Too bad, I really need 4:2:2 only via HDMI. 3xxx is too expensive. Also appears again somewhere to an external battery must be angepfriemelt - far too complicated when I want with a single handle turn man documentary. All this gives already with the cheaper and smaller Nano Flash ...

Moreover, it would not be bad, slowly in this price range to obstruct views 4K codec. First 4-K TVs see are in existence for at trade shows, Sony's 4K projector has long been built into cinemas soon andCanonwird well a budget-K-4 Cam on the market. Even if it NoCam followed, would it still a good player ...



Antwort von Frank Glencairn:

"WoWu" wrote:


I always had the Cinedeck with 5k + Software Update incl SSD for 2k, 7k So with memories.


The normal Cinedeck working with Cineform and is in the 5k price range.
I spoke of uncompressed Cinedeck going for about 10,000 on the table (if they get the problems finally under control).

The recorder of Cinemartin takes real "uncompressed" to not lossless.

1080i and 1080p HDTV uncompressed;
8 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 95 MB per / sec, or 334 GB per / hr.
10 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 127 MB per / sec, or 445 GB per / hr.

8 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 25fps = 99 MB per / sec, or 348 GB per / hr.
10 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 25fps = 132 MB per / sec, or 463 GB per / hr.

8 @ 1920 x 1080@29.97fps bit = 119 MB per / sec, or 417 GB per / hr.
10 @ 1920 x 1080@29.97fps bit = 158 MB per / sec, or 556 GB per / hr.

1080i and 1080p HDTV RGB (4:4:4) uncompressed;
10 @ bit 1280 x 720p @ 60fps = 211 MB per / sec, or 742 GB per / hr.
10 @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24PsF bit = 190 MB per / sec, or 667 GB per / hr.
10 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 50i = 198 MB per / sec, or 695 GB per / hr.
10 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 60i = 237 MB per / sec, or 834 GB per / hr.


"Neel" wrote:
Too bad, I really need 4:2:2 only via HDMI. 3xxx is too expensive. ... All this gives already with the cheaper and smaller Nano Flash ...


Not that I know that the Nano Flash receives uncompressed.
For Run and Gun quality ranges from mostly a Nano flash, but that it is an uncompressed Recorder's not synonymous thought.


Frank



Antwort von tommyb:

What is the benefit you in "real" compared to uncompressed lossless compression? A psychological?



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Frank,
Good info, thanks.




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