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Frage von Bubbix:


Hello everybody!

In short what to me, so you give me a better advice you can give. ;)

So I am a 18-year-old student, who for films and "film-making" is interested. Hab synonymous with a bit of what its digicam (grottige quality) and recorded with Windows Movie Maker (synonymous rel. Sober picture editing program) create short films.

Now I want something the whole professional operate. Of course I can not on a big budget (1000 ¬ for the complete film equipment) and I will certainly not be in Germany for producing movies. But anyway, I would with a good camera to receive a reasonable quality. The whole is not cheap or "vacation video-like" look.

For me it is now clear that I in any case a miniDV camcorder to get, because this supposedly the best quality delivered.

Have now 3 camcorder into closer focus Choice:

Panasonic NV-GS 280 EC-S miniDV Camcorder
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000E6EH6I/ref=wl_it_dp/302-7577922-7105633?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3743TNKVSKL35&colid=1H3JOCGPRWYNC
Cost: Approx. 560 ¬

Panasonic NV-GS 300 EG-S miniDV Camcorder
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000E6EH68/ref=wl_it_dp/302-7577922-7105633?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1JSA6SK2SWM4Y&colid=1H3JOCGPRWYNC
Cost: Approx. 570 ¬

Panasonic NV-GS 500 EG-S miniDV Camcorder
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000E6EH72/ref=wl_it_dp/302-7577922-7105633?ie=UTF8&coliid=I368HW3BTJH9ZB&colid=1H3JOCGPRWYNC
Cost: Approx. 810 ¬ (Amazon is overpriced in the fall)

Again for more information: I want to leave keien recordings or damned people, but movies. Admittedly, the "student part moderate." So I am not a professional.

But such standard Cams as the Panasonic NV-GS 180, I then but too bad. Or would totally be enough?

Schwanke I really between the 300 and the 500s.
What is domestic, the difference between the 280er and 300er? See as no.

Can I use filters vll. with the "appearance" of the film to upgrade? These Hollywood productions (especially from the 90s) have somehow NEN handsome contrast, in the current shooting no longer be seen. If vll. synonymous only s.den cameras were used ...

Hab mir mal thought what I still need to shoot.

- Tripod
- Filters (FDL, UV, POL)
- Strong Battery
- External Micro!
(- Camera bag)

Anything else?

Oh what program would you recommend? Sony Vegas 6 or Adobe Premiere Pro? Which is better suited to making movies, not necessarily a lot of "special effects" include?

Well, in the end do I have to first know what cam I should buy. I think one of the Panasonics is there .. but what? Or even because there are better alternatives for a similar price?

Edit: camcorder to capture in the dark, to form granules, and the picture is coarser and unsightly. When I look at the Panasonic NV-GS 500 hole, I of course, a better picture in the dark than with the 300 or 280th But the 500 is quite expensive. Is there no other way, a good picture in the dark to produce? Vll. Keep it light? Gibts sowas favorable for laymen to buy? (My these lamps, such as television crews in the use of outdoor use).

About tips and recommendations, I would be very grateful!

Mfg., Daniel

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Antwort von Jan:

The problem should probably be 1000 ¬, a reasonably good example Tripod Velbon DV-7000 is almost synonymous costs 100 ¬, so a micro roughly synonymous, then it will be just with the 500th GS Light suitcase cost force, spotlights from the building would be an inexpensive solution, which must still be made dimmable (cloth or Dimmschalter) otherwise always full power rausbrettert. Cheap head lights synonymous cost ¬ 50-100 a good example of how Hama or Unomat.

In the tens, or other contributions, we have often compared the cameras GS GS 500 vs. 280

Sensitivity is the GS 500 only slightly better than the GS 280, a million more pixels of GS 500 devour the advantage of the almost larger sensors again (1 / 4, 7 "to 1 / 6") should be a rumor because SonyHC 94 & 96 even a bit better than both. In many other score fall to me to Sony's Consumer Touchscrenn out again.

The cutter is the way with the most important thing, without any experience but you're a prime synonymous with Pro or After Effects is not far. Semi / professionals can easily the color, contrast etc skillfully modify itself so that another look synonymous with a ¬ 1000 Cam recruits.
Pros Pinnacle Studio 10 Titanium Edition - is designed for 3D & Effects friend with the small pocket popular.

But always with the professional editors saying:

"The film is well done if you could still Effects admit - but no longer can take away in order to improve its quality"

VG
Jan

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Antwort von Markus73:

"Bubbix" wrote:
But such standard Cams as the Panasonic NV-GS 180, I then but too bad. Or would totally be enough?


Read here before you watch a one-sided view as:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-PV-GS180-Camcorders-Review.htm

Reinhartshausen regarding image quality, there is the whole series of 3CCD Panasonic not much.

And if you value as a focus ring lay, are all but out GS500. Therefore always depends on what you want, then everything else is not equal to a flat rate poorly.

Gruß,
Markus

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Antwort von swantje:

hello:)

the difference between the 280er and the 300 is just a dv input. So if you want analog tapes Digitizer you need the input, otherwise you can save the extra charge.

if you so differenzierst between "Standard Cams as the Panasonic NV-GS 180" and supposedly better as the 280er, I must disappoint you, there is little difference NEN. some equipment, ie ne FUNZEL and afaik little bit better battery, then a stable image for 16:9 content and the brand objective, where you can argue whether it is what brings no obvious difference in the visual quali evident.

So if you really wegwillst of "standard" cams, synonymous what ever that is, is the first significant step for you (for pana!) the 500s.

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Antwort von transsib:

Hi!

So when I look at it demo of the video look 500s, are hardly better than the smaller models. How Markus73 already wrote, do the Pana 180 - 500 models in the picture is not much. The differences relate primarily to the equipment. You must therefore know which of the features for you are important.

And - I myself stood until recently facing the same choice myself but then decided against Panas, because I receive all the recommendations here in the forum, the picture quality is quite disappointing believe. A real leap in picture quality, I could only at the HD camcorders such as the HC1 or HC3 note - synonymous if I perhaps initially only the SD resolution benefit, is of the HD to SD converted imagery still worlds better than the recordings of Panas and for the future, I have the pictures already in HD. Retrospectively from SD to HD, will probably not go. ;-)

In short: buy you a GS180 or 280 or equal to an HD camcorder. The 500s I think in relation to the HC1 much too expensive.

I will therefore probably one of the announced 3CCD Full HD camcorder of JVC or Panasonic purchase.

Gruß, Oliver

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Yes ok, with the "Standartcam" was something stupid words.
But I will definitely take a Bildstabilisatpr have at 16:9, so the ever falls out.

And with the HD camcorders is the problem: How should I then edit the material? Hab grad ma 'nen AMD Athlon 64 3000 + and 1 GB of RAM. This means that when the HD recordings, which are fairly large file chunks are totally stalled.

How it looks, I would be very different for the Panasonic NV-GS 280 decide because I do not own DV Input needed. However, I could the 10 ¬ surcharge synonymous cope. You never know whether you may need the times.

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Antwort von swantje:

10?
100!

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Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Swantje" wrote: the difference between the 280er and the 300 is just a dv input. So if you want analog tapes Digitizer you need the input
For digitizing analog tapes, the camera needs an AV input. The DV input is important if you have the finished film after editing s.PC back on a DV tape in the camera will play back to him in the best possible quality to be archived.

Gruß Bernd E.

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Antwort von transsib:

Hi Daniel!

An alternative to the cameras of those you would perhaps have the GS250. The offers many professional features, such as a focus ring. There are now no longer, but it will always return to eBay with the remaining warranty. The prices there are usually almost GS280 level, which is because they both re-priced as synonymous of the equipment since this was well over.

About the Camera You will find here.

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Antwort von steveb:

Claim and reality!

Where are we? It's pretty much no preference what you're taking $ 1000, as you all cameras must be clear that you always will be a compromise.

If there is no "real" light is there, you will not be with all come next. Therefore you must increase your budget again.

It is with a Golf 5 is not synonymous race against a Porsche, but it is synonymous, at least up to 210 km / h speed :-)

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Antwort von Markus:

"Bubbix" wrote: Can I use filters vll. with the "appearance" of the film to upgrade?
Hi Daniel,

this time tormenting the search with the term "film look". Between all of the contributions to the search point, you will find isolated synonymous essential for achieving this goal.

Accordingly, it will be almost no preference which of the targeted camcorder you'll buy. Much more expensive is probably the / light suitcase, which you also need. No matter how strong your camcorder can light the (lack of) play of light and shadow to replace. ;-)

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Erstma to Swantje: Hast recht, hab mich verguckt. 100 ¬ extra charge to me but are too expensive, which means that the NV-GS 300 is synonymous rausfliegt.

To Transsib: Hab mal in Web search, but on eBay, there are currently no bids. The cheapest offer that I found on other sites, was 890 ¬. I definitely would be too expensive.

Do me now synonymous times "something" with light / shadow play in the film. Fairly expensive. Be me but certainly one or two lights get cheap film. Must be a "Panasonic Light" be? Possessions on eBay only "Sony lights and lamps of other companies found.

How it looks, I will myself the Panasonic NV-GS 280 here.
With the additional equipment do I need to look what's going to fit this cam and what I really need.

Thanks many times for advice! :)

Mfg., Daniel

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Antwort von Jan:

Well the Sony Lamps are synonymous not always so cheap, the one with Sperate Battery DW 20 x HVL bring thee not so much, the kids are too weak or fit only to the AIS of Sony. 3 Watt Ledlampen I would not take.

3 lamps, I could for the GS 280 Recommend:

1. Panasonic VW LDC 10

+ Light angle is adjustable spot with her until Widemodus
+ Battery equivalent number of DU is needed
- 10 watts is not much

In SonyHVL 10 nH similar - running with normal AA Batteries / Batteries
is still more expensive.

2. Hama Combi 30 W

+ 30 watt dimmable and you have to a burner (2 lamps) may be off
- A fat old 6 V Battery must be used with regard to the light again is really hard
- 30 watts for mixed relative luminosity

3. Unomat DC 3000

+ Very good light output for the Money and synonymous with AA Batteries & Batteries used
- Non-dimmable - always full power over the object

The next higher class (Panther Romy 75, Pagelight C 6 and Co. with more than 300 ¬ are much too expensive)

The 20 watt lamps Sony HVL 20 DMA / DW 2! be synonymous of professional filmmakers as brighteners used by the Sony battery attached for Panasonic filmmaker but rather inappropriate.

At least during the swing you see the advantages of the optical stabilizers of the GS 280, it works just more balanced than the GS Digital 180th

Tripod - Velbon DV 7000!

VG
Jan

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Antwort von transsib:

"Bubbix" wrote: [...] For Transsib: Hab mal in Web search, but on eBay, there are currently no bids. The cheapest offer that I found on other sites, was 890 ¬. I definitely would be too expensive. [...]

Straight is actually only a demolished GS250 drin. When I was a few weeks ago for a GS250 still interested, were 1 years old specimens, with still a remaining year Residual Guarantee for around ¬ 500, - gone. Should you but for a (young) Used Camera interested, then make sure that they will in any case still has warranty and the supplier synonymous one hand, the proof of purchase mitliefert. That I had already several times that the vendor is advertised with remaining warranty, then to demand proof of purchase but no longer had. Then it is obviously synonymous with the warranty nix. :-(

Gruß, Oliver

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Antwort von Bubbix:

"Jan" wrote:

1. Panasonic VW LDC 10

+ Light angle is adjustable spot with her until Widemodus
+ Battery equivalent number of DU is needed
- 10 watts is not much

In SonyHVL 10 nH similar - running with normal AA Batteries / Batteries
is still more expensive.

2. Hama Combi 30 W

+ 30 watt dimmable and you have to a burner (2 lamps) may be off
- A fat old 6 V Battery must be used with regard to the light again is really hard
- 30 watts for mixed relative luminosity

3. Unomat DC 3000

+ Very good light output for the Money and synonymous with AA Batteries & Batteries used
- Non-dimmable - always full power over the object

Tripod - Velbon DV 7000!

VG
Jan


Apparently so has any of the lamps' nen disadvantage. Dignity but I think the Hama prefer, because

- Seems quite good luminosity
- Dimmable
- The weight would make me no problem
- With 50 ~ 60 ¬ quite favorable

Is because the battery with it?
Because: I'll give Google "6 V Battery" that come 3.6 V or 9.6 V or whatever for Batteries, not only 6 V. You my test it was an "old battery", ie the gibts überhaupt noch in stores to buy?

When the product of the Hama lamp stands on a Page:
- Weight 382 g

This is the weight of the lamp without Battery intentioned, is not it?

Hmm .. but somehow synonymous Hama is the true net ..

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Antwort von Jan:

Yes that's lighting halt lowest price class - all have drawbacks.

On Hama Video light, a Battery and the charger supplied.
The Battery is an old today is not more common with 6 V, then
Panasonic & Sony. But you get more in trade.

Weight - I do not synonymous in the mind.

The Consumer class is holding its prices and - I understand you, have long synonymous with the price category filmed (GS 500), but I am glad that now a ¬ 3000 Cam often available.

VG
Jan

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Soo .. I now have the Panasonic NV-GS 280 purchase! :)

What do I do now really have everything?

- Tripod (=> possibly the "Velbon DV 7000")
- Lamp (=> possibly the "Hama Combi 30 W)
- Even more lights? Or, a?
- External Microphone (What are there to recommend? One for "on-the-camera insert" or persons "fuzzy s.Stab"?)
- Replacement Battery (CGA-Is the DU21 (7.2 V/2040 mAh) to recommend? It fits in any case s.meinen camcorder, since it is listed in the manual)
- Carrying case where Cam and small stuff comes purely (Remember, I get me some 15 ¬ pocket except Kaufhof with us. Irgendwas as I look out for when buying? (Except that the Cam reinpasst;))
- Filters (POL, FDL and UV filter set available on eBay for 60 ¬, empfehlenswert?)

- What else I need?
- What of the previously mentioned accessories are not as important or negligible, which is to say that I do not need to buy?

About more help I would be very grateful!

Mfg., Daniel

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Antwort von Bamboo:

I would say the 1400 mAh aaku he goes completely (have him)

As a camera bag, I recommend you a http://www.hama.de/portal/articleId*124513/action*2563/searchMode*1/bySearch*camcorder+tasche of Hama

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Antwort von Bamboo:

Nem a micro phone of Sennheiser. if you the price is no preference

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Antwort von Jan:

Must the Velbon DV 7000 - not a cheap aluminum plastic spider with a very stable and very very important fluid head for panning buttery soft ....

And the consumer still affordable.

Micro - I do not know what you aufnimmst?

Interview (dir Micro - Mono) Sennheiser MKE 300 - difficult to better in the class 100 ¬ to find, if you get no 0.5 x wide angle converter Holst - Microfinance is a long synonymous not in Picture! Or Videomic Rode (with elastic spider)

Or Stereo (atmosphere) Micro, I actually never used, of the new Rode is quite good.

VG
Jan

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Well, my "movies" are ne mixture of dialogues (ie quieter scenes) and action scenes (nothing spectacular with explosions, rather simple fistfight or so). Document synonymous in the schoolyard during breaks to film, where it is quite loud way. Should we not nachsynchronisieren eh?

After synchronization is difficult?
I imagine this:
- Movie recording
- On separate soundtrack by Micro I let the respective actors speaking their parts nochmal drauf speak
- Background noise (eg school) record
- Adobe Premiere Pro everything about each other and lay the tape from the original (including all noise) Hide
Done. (?)

Another Question: miniDV tapes always from the Cam rausnehmen when not in use? (Even over night for example?) Panasonic is at any rate in the manual, it can net me, but imagine that the Cam or the tape may harm großartig.

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Antwort von Markus:

"Daniel" wrote: - Even more lights? Or, a?
That comes to your demands. A little video of people (a so-called head light) is better than no light. The classic would be the three lights with three lights - or more, depending on the scene.

"Daniel" wrote: - Carrying Something [...] what I have to watch out for purchase? (except that the Cam reinpasst;))
Make sure that the synonymous unterwegs needed accessories (spare batteries, cartridges, filters, or video light) reinpasst. The bag should not be too cheap, since it is an important protection for your camcorder. How can something synonymous times and then dropping the camcorder should not be broken. Rain should not be the bag inside can.

"Daniel" wrote: - Filters (POL, FDL and UV filter set available on eBay for 60 ¬, empfehlenswert?)
eBay is not a specific dealer, so I can tell you this, nothing. The effect of the (circular) polarizer will likely astound you! ;-)

Cross-reference:
" accessories (not only) for Canon DM-XM2
" Filter Effects such as videos (polarizer, ND filter, etc.)

"Daniel" wrote: After synchronization is difficult?
The post you a little (!) To just before. You have the audio recording during video playback and dubbing the scene, the practice, so that everything will lip-sync and the emotion in his voice is not the speaker is a message.

"Daniel" wrote: miniDV tapes always from the Cam rausnehmen when not in use? (Even over night for example?)
Over night is no problem, but a longer period of time, the tapes in the camcorder does not stay. Otherwise, they could adhere s.der head drum and then there is picture noise may be and / or tape salad.

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Antwort von Bubbix:

"Mark" wrote: "Daniel" wrote: - Even more lights? Or, a?
That comes to your demands. A little video of people (a so-called head light) is better than no light. The classic would be the three lights with three lights - or more, depending on the scene.


Okay, then I take money from scarcity erstmal only 1 lamp. With the sun overhead lighting and I then even 2nd ;)

"Mark" wrote: "Daniel" wrote: - Carrying Something [...] what I have to watch out for purchase? (except that the Cam reinpasst;))
Make sure that the synonymous unterwegs needed accessories (spare batteries, cartridges, filters, or video light) reinpasst. The bag should not be too cheap, since it is an important protection for your camcorder. How can something synonymous times and then dropping the camcorder should not be broken. Rain should not be the bag inside can.


Okay, all clear. Will I be the first growth. ¬ 25 but should be enough, right?

"Mark" wrote: "Daniel" wrote: - Filters (POL, FDL and UV filter set available on eBay for 60 ¬, empfehlenswert?)
eBay is not a specific dealer, so I can tell you this, nothing. The effect of the (circular) polarizer will likely astound you! ;-)


eBay was a little vague. ^ ^
So I thought in this or similar special Offers:
http://cgi.ebay.de/37mm-FILTER-SET-fuer-z-B-viele-SONY-Camcorders-usw_W0QQitemZ110069578820QQihZ001QQcategoryZ31175QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

"Mark" wrote: "Daniel" wrote: After synchronization is difficult?
The post you a little (!) To just before. You have the audio recording during video playback and dubbing the scene, the practice, so that everything will lip-sync and the emotion in his voice is not the speaker is a message.


Hmm .. So if I now have the camcorder Micro nachsynchronisiere, I so, when I eg with 2 people in a (quiet) room nachvertone, little noise, so good shots. Do I need then ever a 100 ¬ Microphone? I think that I'll get me later, because of course I would like to have, but at the moment it can do, if I nachsynchronisiere much anyway.

A question about this yet:

Eg I want a dialogue on a schoolyard nachvertonen.

The first thing I rotate the scene with the schoolyard Auffe Cam.
Verton Then I hold the dialogue with me with the two "actors".
Can I be the Schulhof noise (zBsnächsten day) and record only the audio track on my overdubbed dialogue, so that the scene is complete?

If so, take the time being I simply individual cases individually and then put everything about each other! So I am saving for an expensive First Micro, everything at once could.

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Antwort von Jan:

Imagine but not so easy before with the Lippensyncron nachvertonen.

I will now do no bad, there is a local TV station in my town the evening show a few clips with Digibetas - there is often the sound will not lippensyncron - this requires already a skilled cutter.

Or hast thou ARD Bundesliga last matchday of 2006 saw the middle of the interview was completely synonymous "dirty" sound by 1-2 seconds later - yes there probably lags s.der time constraints - is to forgive.

Another reason why I always live directly on the microphone input recording, built-in Micro is really the last resort to Nachvertonen.

VG
Jan

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Antwort von swantje:

the ambient noise is in contrast to the retrospective sprachsynchronisieren easily record and drunterlegen.
even if you go clear and loud noises and a man has to see, but not its feet, it rarely looks funny when the tempo is right. the gehlt so good.

nachvertonen with lippen is something serious, like I said above, once because of the synchronous and halt because of the emotion.

hire talent in the reconstruction of an emotion probably the most difficult, the synchronicity, you can still trim.

Mikros when you need to consider whether you are a dynamic mic, or a transistor have willt, is dynamic and more suitable for unreinforced pure direct signal (close agree, instruments, mono), have transistormics atmo recordings are good and quiet and space for things, for _auch_ language.

a transistor mic which sounds good but will cost more than a dynamic, ie around 100 Euro.

zb with nem compressor can be effective with his simple dyn mic more than rausholen transistor with his mic.

eh this is almost as important, if you ask why everything is "so far back and lax" sounds -> compressor

but is at least as complicated subject in itself: D
therefore better decisions based on the above criteria which mic for a mic it should.

sorry, few errors, I bissschen drunk: D

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Antwort von Jan:

"Swantje" wrote:
sorry, few errors, I bissschen drunk: D


Prost!

Yes I make mistakes often synonymous - Quick Schreiber and am not as resistant to stress.

Glasses high!

VG
Jan

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Antwort von Miike:

Hi!

To synchronize Theme:

Normally takes on man 3 tracks:
- O-ton: this would be in the schoolyard, for example just a few minutes only record the sound without any dialogues. so you get a clear and natural background noise. Optimal length of the o-tons would be the length of the whole scene.
- Dialogues: The dialogues are (in "real" film) in place of expensive mics up on - and as an extra sound track. The mics are designed and later edited so that only the host language.
- Effects / Foley: Determine noise effects (eg glass falls to the ground) will be charged extra in a soundproof room and recorded in the post-production added to the remaining film.

If one wants the dialogue track must nachsynchronisieren (because eg. Too much noise to hear) will do in a room with expensive schlalldichten Mikros made. As already mentioned, very difficult -> Cutting and emotions

For you that means: take first o-ton of movies and then the scene (including the dialogue) with a good micro you as close as possible s.die Cast bringest

On the subject of editing software:
You should look at a few times s.besten trial versions of different programs you download and play for a bit.
Meanwhile I am using 3 different Schnittprogs: Sony Vegas, Premiere Pro 2.0 and Magix Video
Each has its advantages and disadvantages. I use all 3 for just so many advantages to have a total as possible.
Next up, I have "Pinnacle Studio 10 Titanium Edition Pros" read. It is not synonymous bad app but rather for beginners who quickly want to have success.
I recommend for a professional film and Sony Vegas premiere. Both work very well. Give it a try in a demo! It's worth it!

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Antwort von Jan:

Yes, I am not a friend Pinnacle synonymous because of only 2 video tracks.
The Titanium Edition has plenty of extra effects dazugelegt, partly of more expensive programs of Pinnacle.

As would be like the Hollywood FX Vol 1 (400 3 D Effects), RTFX Vol 1 +2 (49 video effects) and the Premium Pack Vol 1 with 25 extra-video template.
With After Effects has nothing to do, but a good introduction to the world of "Filmverzauberns".

VG
Jan

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Antwort von kuuan:

Especially for voice recording, it is very important to the microphone as close as possible to position s.Sprechenden. This can be seen with a micro Phone with renal or super cardioid polar pattern, which is a mono directional microphone on an 'Angel' mounted or, even closer, with inconspicuous. As a directional microphone, I would recommend the Rode Videomic. This is not very stable, a Platikbomber, but soundmaessig very well built and with the mini spider with the times very easy to use.

The Videomic is synonymous especially when used on the cam recommended for dialogue / voice recording Ansteckmokrofone are mainly the best solution because they still are closer s.der source and no one needs a fishing operation. This can be either wireless or wired with the radio with the cam in conjunction, or on a separate audio recorder record.

A radio is, if good, expensive, on ebay are cheap (mainly for karaoke) available, but have no idea whether they are good enough.
As a separate audio recorder can be used synonymous mp3 player! However, only very few models with a built Moikrofonverstaerker what good recording with a direct connection allows an external microphone. The 'old' iRiver iFP700, 800 and 900 Series (eg iFP795 = 512MB, iFP799 = 1GB) and the hard iHP120, 140, 320 and 340 have a built-Mikrofonverstaerker, other mp3 players with recording function, besides the almost useless built Microphone mainly just a 'line-in'. To those with with an external microphone to be able to admit you need an external Mikrofonverstaerker. Can you solder is simply self-made, material 10-15 euros.
Perhaps yes, you have an mp3 player, or one of your friends, one of the aforementioned s.Beten iRiver.

Wired with the cam in dialogues quite possible.

Good, cheap Anseckmikros:
http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/
I would be 2 mono mics with omni capsules (2 mono microphones with omnidirectional):
http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/gs/gs-mono1.htm
andin dialogues take any one infected.

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Antwort von Markus:

"Daniel" wrote: The first thing I rotate the scene with the schoolyard Auffe Cam.Dann Verton I hold in my dialogue with the two "actors". Can I be the Schulhof noise (zBsnächsten day) and record only the audio track on my overdubbed dialogue, so that the scene is complete?
Why do not you try simply (!) From it and learn exactly where the sticking points are?

"Daniel" wrote: So I thought in this or similar special Offers:
http://cgi.ebay.de/37mm-FILTER-SET-fuer-z-B-viele-SONY-Camcorders-usw_W0QQitemZ110069578820QQihZ001QQcategoryZ31175QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

For this price you get decent filter synonymous in stores, for example of Hama.

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Okay, now did almost everything (or knows everything, what I get) but the external Microphone.

I think that with the time being, I reject Nachsynchronisieren and will use the original sound.
This mic here (see link) I was advised to fit only the really synonymous to a Panasonic NV-GS 280 drauf? I hardly believe that.

http://www.musik-service.de/Rode-VideoMic-prx395749551de.aspx

If that does not fit should be, you can find me a * right * good Mic recommend?
But ever thing is that I did not have Mono Mics "wants.
Net but I am exactly sure whether it is better, a Microphone to the "stuck on the Cam" to use or a Microphone, was "to separate 'nem or similar rod hangs.

Would like to hold a general-purpose mic have .. Mono Mics are for example only for dialogs, where the speakers connected to the Mics staple shirt ..

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Antwort von Markus:

"Daniel" wrote: But ever thing is that I did not have Mono Mics "wants.
Every serious directional microphone ... But look for yourself: Richtmikrofon Mono ? ;-)

"Daniel" wrote: Richtmikrofon Mono ? ;-)

Would like to hold a general-purpose mic have ... Richtmikrofon Mono ? ;-)


And another link: External Micro for Panasonic NV GS 400

"Daniel" wrote: Mono Mics are for example only for dialogs, where the speakers connected to the Mics staple shirt ..
The badges are synonymous or Laveliermikrofone. The of you mentioned is a directional microphone. But you've been right: The primary purpose is the voice recording.

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Okay, the Hama RMZ-10 I like better.

Hab here but an indicative Hama Stereo Micro (http://www2.computeruniverse.net/urlmapper2.asp?mapurl=/products/90046031.asp&agent=524&urlmapped=true) found, even 20 ¬ cheaper. Would a "better" quality than the RMZ-10? Finally, stereo sounds better than mono nunmal to.

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Antwort von Markus:

"Daniel" wrote: Okay, the Hama RMZ-10 I like better.
Most users probably would have judged differently. What do you like the RMZ-10 better than the Røde VideoMic? The latter has at least an elastic suspension synonymous to decouple from the camcorder ...

"Daniel" wrote: Hab here but an indicative Hama Stereo Micro [RMZ-14] found, which even 20 ¬ cheaper. Would a "better" quality than the RMZ-10?
Just as food for thought: Can a Microphone, that basically consists of two microphones (stereo) and is also synonymous even cheaper is really better than a single, more expensive Micro? Particularly in the price range?

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Antwort von Bubbix:

The RMZ-10 fits on my camcorder, it costs ¬ 25 less (if my budget would in any pennies) than the Rode VideoMic and will, I think times to arrive at a satisfactory job. Where Sogut!

(Now do not tell me that between the PMT-10 and the Rode VideoMic worlds lie. ^ ^)

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Antwort von Markus:

"Daniel" wrote: (Now do not tell me that between the PMT-10 and the Rode VideoMic worlds lie. ^ ^)
I can not, because I lack the Comparison. The RMZ-10, I had even for years in operation, the Røde no moment.

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Damn, shame.
Has anyone already worked with two microphones and some can detect differences in quality?
Would be very helpful, since I for one of the two microphones will decide .. just what? : S

Thanks in advance!

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Antwort von MaxXx:

I got the 180 yesterday gejauft! Is that really so bad as it is depicted here?
So, wants synonymous make a few movies!
eg, skateboard movies, a small student film, etc. ..
I have a failed sale made?

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Antwort von schumi65:

Maxxx wrote:
Quote: Is that really so bad as it is depicted here?


Stay smooth, the Cam (Panasonic NV-GS 180) and is good in its price class is a top model. It offers a decent picture and is easy to use.
You will always and on every product, "For the recovery and" can be found.
In all cases, you will not regret the purchase, which I guarantee you. I film for 8 months with the 180'er and am still pleased of the Cam.
My God, yes, in dark rooms, it is not the Brüller. But there are indeed tools (spots). Also it has no optical stabilizer, I can cope, because I almost always only with Tripod (synonymous Monopod hectic times when it is approaching and I often need to change the location) filme.
So: You've made a good purchase, you leave it.

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Hallo, ich bins ma wieder!

Hab so now, as I said, the Panasonic NV-GS280 purchased.
The package was a USB cable.

Moment! Just as I am informed, FireWire seems the only thing to be capturing. So has the Panasonic with its customers just a bad joke or the 280 is one of the few camcorders, the USB synonymous with "good at"?

That what I have captured so far, looks very good, only I do not know if I was then with FireWire can achieve optimal quality? I lack the Comparison. And on the fast one FireWire controller to buy, just to compare, and then finding that both in this cam is the same, I can synonymous in the truest sense "Save".

Someone with this experience?

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Antwort von Markus:

"Daniel" wrote: The package was a USB cable.
Honestly, we have never understood why the manufacturer does not enclose the correct cable. Whether the GS280 their recordings via USB synonymous full quality can output ... look for:

Ist firewire wirklich besser als USB ?

Siehe synonymous:
FireWire FAQ">1. (b) Firewire or USB?

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Antwort von swantje:

na of course you can wait until you get problems (here the whole time to time as well) and then you firewire growth: D

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Antwort von Destin:

At least in my 180er captured it via USB with full qualli (hab USB and Firewire receptive compared). Only downside is the USB cable with me only with the supplied Panasonic program of works

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Antwort von digitalCat:

"Bubbix" wrote: Okay, the Hama RMZ-10 I like better.

Hab here but an indicative Hama Stereo Micro (http://www2.computeruniverse.net/urlmapper2.asp?mapurl=/products/90046031.asp&agent=524&urlmapped=true) found, even 20 ¬ cheaper. Would a "better" quality than the RMZ-10? Finally, stereo sounds better than mono nunmal to.


I hardly believe, that the above is a stereo micro-acts. The reference to the stereo jack could mean that the (mono-) sound on both stereo channels is sent.

Gruss, Hans-Dieter

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Antwort von PowerMac:

"Bubbix" wrote: (...) Finally, stereo sounds better than mono nunmal to.

I could, if Adam and Eve begin. I do not. It is very shortsighted, for a camcorder for its own sake a stereo Microphone to take.

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Antwort von Markus:

"Hans-Dieter" digitalCat "" wrote: I hardly think that it is in the aforementioned [RMZ-14] to a stereo micro-acts.
The manufacturer calls it on his website "directional Microphone RMZ-14 Stereo". - Apart from the fact that "Stereo" and "directional microphone" in a sentence not quite tolerated, it seems well to vote.

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Antwort von Bubbix:

Well no preference, I would in any case, the Rode VideoMic pick. ^ ^

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