Frage von fabchannel:
Hello,
the question is probably pretty amateurish, but I would probably answer a lot of senseless Herumprobieren save.
30 minutes google regarding this issue has brought nothing, except that a monitor higher than a dissolves Television.
I took my video (Mini-DV, SonyDCR-HC17E) so far (for lack of Television) with Movie Maker as 1:1 DV-AVI on the PC and play on my PC monitor views. Or directly from the camcorder via firewire with AVS TV Box. My graphics card: Radeon 9250th
Now I have at times they Comparison to friends on a tube TV in the store and s.einem HD-LCD Television range seen (directly from your camcorder, with red-yellow-white RCA connection).
On two other devices, the images are much richer, real, vivid and sharper synonymous. At the precise look at small details I have noticed that these little details are not really higher dissolved, but the visual effect is simply better. And as shiny metal parts shine much more natural.
On my PC monitor (Samsung SyncMaster 940BF) do I get such an effect is not, because I can still so much s.Farbsättigung, brightness, contrast herumstellen how I want. Everything is somehow matter. If I use the high color saturation point, everything is right back grellbunt.
BTW: s.dem small LCD monitor s.meiner Camera see the images from the same class as on a tube TV. Of course not dissolved, but so utterly real and fresh, that I always have the feeling, through a window into the past to see. Are such small camcorder monitors, in principle, synonymous LCD Television and what principle other than computer monitors?
Greetings of
Jürgen
Antwort von Daigoro:
http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=117788 # 117788
To summarize:
Other color and interlaced
Antwort von domain:
Forget the standard Windows screens to preview in the NLE, which work much too soft and are, for example, for the presentation of fine gray lines in Excel thought.
Synonymous times have made the mistake, a 24 "Dell monitor with the 1920-he Resolutionanzuschaffen.
Only the Sony40W2000 demonstrated in Full-HD and the HDMI input Picture, as it later synonymous s.Flatscreen TV or on the projector to the visitor.
Moreover, one has the opportunity synonymous television, in order to get a feeling for the average transmitted image parameters to get
Antwort von Daigoro:
Only the Sony40W2000 demonstrated in Full-HD and the HDMI input Picture, as it later synonymous s.Flatscreen TV or on the projector to the visitor. Ermm .. this is a television, not a computer monitor and not everyone has space for NEN 40 "he auf'm desk.
Antwort von domain:
The 40W2000 is Television and in an excellent monitor and is very well on my desk in about 1.2 m distance, but already s.ca. 80 cm can no longer recognize pixels.
It used to rapidly s.das big picture and wants to nix Smaller more.
The most important thing is that the picture exactly as it is shown as later times should be or will be.
Antwort von fabchannel:
Hello,
Now I understand the story better.
So what if I really have videos of my wants, I must think about sooner or ran a television buy.
So does the little camcorder screen s.meinem Television technically under the principles and see why the images there as well?
Greetings of
Jürgen
Antwort von MarcSchneider:
A small tip for cheap monitors:
I am using for the decreases while the rotary always like an old Comodore (Amiga computer) monitor. The customer sees that big, colorful and "lively" than on the laptop screen and is happy. Those things go on Ebay for 1-5 euros away.
You can adjust because although nothing but the picture is class and the boxes are not too large.
For color, etc. of course not suck, but if you are accustomed s.das Picture, then get with the help of AVID as Oszi Vektorscop synonymous and good color out.
Antwort von domain:
The main difference between normal Windows screens and TVs in their Various objective.
The monitors must often spend hours any office applications to be done and there is a contrasting behavior of 1:1000 or even more unwelcome, so they usually have a much weaker background light and a gentle contrast setting at all.
Television, however, should provide a dynamic picture and are therefore as a Windows monitors actually not too good, but for the preview of a NLE obviously optimal.
In principle, therefore, each HDMI TFT with 1920 horizontal pixels for the image preview better suited as an office monitor synonymous and the display of the camcorder is tending in this direction
However there is some TVs the backlight down so that if desired, such Funzeln exactly like the Windows monitors are used.
The different color spaces show the way, no different colors, as long as it is not in the extreme and saturated colors goes. The difference lies only in the various far "beyond" RGB-axis, creating a different quantity s.Farben presentable, but to gray around the color spaces are all equal and standardized.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Only the Sony40W2000 demonstrated in Full-HD and the HDMI input Picture, as it later synonymous s.Flatscreen TV or on the projector to the visitor.
Ermm .. this is a television, not a computer monitor and not everyone has space for NEN 40 "he auf'm desk. Synonymous So I use the 40W2000 s.Schnittplatz, and enjoy the great native pixel preview image when editing. A suitable control from the NLE is synonymous much - I will do it via the Intensity HDMI (in the case of Vegas), in the case of the component Canopus NX (for Edius). graphics cards via HDMI-DVI Umsetzterstecker / Cable synonymous go, but provide a significantly worse picture than the card (the cost for holding synonymous).
Mir seems synonymous much that such a man on an HDTV 50i material can be smooth - and that cards like the Intensity HDTV with the 50 Hz control. Ok, that can now synonymous graphics cards very good, but they are holding of the Bildgüte with the extra video cards are not really comparable (synonymous if they can be full-HD).
Meanwhile, there are smaller synonymous full HD HDTVs, you would use. Of course you should still say that the Farbeichung is an important point - that a HDTV is a relatively cheap solution, compared with Class 1 monitors.
Antwort von Markus:
So does the little camcorder screen s.meinem Television technically under the principles and see why the images there as well? The camcorder display is designed and set to the brightest possible image is reproduced. Often exceeds the image quality even those of the TV, but synonymous with the image together. Smaller images are often sharper than larger, in which one in every Fehleinstellung focus immediately recognizes.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Synonymous So I use the 40W2000 s.Schnittplatz, and enjoy the great native pixel preview image when editing. Again ermmm .. "SonyDCR-HC17E ... is as above.
If there is no television to be purchased, the videos can be synonymous to edit that on the computer monitor to look somewhat. Deinterlace and with the colors / brightness / contrast / saturation play.
Antwort von domain:
We are talking about here is not finely calibrated class 1 monitors, which are as the name suggests a very different class and synonymous to a very different task-oriented
Antwort von PowerMac:
There is too much for my taste unclean stuff narrates.
http://forum.slashcam.de/monitor-fur-colorcorrection-and-schnitt-gesucht-vt61714.html?highlight =
http://forum.slashcam.de/als-hd-monitor-fur-farbkorrektur-geeignet-vp292780.html?sid=040be7b9cd93e5f2900c087efea3969a # 292780
Antwort von Daigoro:
And with sledgehammer to crack a nut shot - duration fire. :)
300 Euro Camera! Rather unlikely that the material sent or on film ausbelichtet be.
If auf'm computer's remains, but enough, it is something to optimize, so that's not so bad grad looks.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
The different color spaces show the way, no different colors, as long as it is not in the extreme and saturated colors goes. The difference lies only in the various far "beyond" RGB-axis, creating a different quantity s.Farben presentable, but to gray around the color spaces are all equal and standardized. Not quite, because the situation of the white point of different color spaces differ ... so that the colors synonymous.
We are talking about here is not finely calibrated class 1 monitors There are, in fact, except in the tube area is still no (recognized) Class 1 monitors.
Sonybehauptet through a right to dispose of the needs met, but so far there are not a requirements of the appropriate organizers defined.
@ Daigoro
And with sledgehammer to crack a nut shot - duration fire. :) Somehow, I could connect.
@ Juergen
You'll already notice that in the price range below 4000 EUR as well as any monitor (television) manufacturing such a high dispersion subject that virtually no picture as the other is in use and of course LOTS more significant differences are observed.
That is one of the reasons for Class1 specification and makes it difficult if someone has managed to monitor its reasonable set, then it gets the second place next to it.
That is the problem with the broadcasters.
So .... Jürgen imagine your Picture halfway reasonable, so that the products are synonymous with the neighbors look good.
Much more can you anyway in the price class do not.
Antwort von DoBBy:
Sorry if this is now Offtopic, but: @ PowerMac: Where did you euern seat (ie Neuzeit-TV)? I think I have the video in your Murgtalbahn recognized. These yellow tram? And the interviews with the children and the old woman, was not in Karlsruhe? Could be that I am wrong, but it was very familiar to me ...
Sorry for Offtopic, but that interests me now :-)
BG Dobby
Antwort von PowerMac:
If one of the hundreds sS trains from the region Karlsruhe-Pfalz-Schwarzwald-Enztal. Karlsruhe, yes. More specifically, Europe Square.
Antwort von DoBBy:
If one of the hundreds sS trains from the region Karlsruhe-Pfalz-Schwarzwald-Enztal. Karlsruhe, yes. More specifically, Europe Square. Ha ichs knew it! Now I find that quite interesting. If you the next time a film turns, as in February, do you think it would be allowed, if I could watch? Just watch ... I would be terribly interested in the fact, especially because I plan professionally synonymous Directing in the direction to go. I was never in a real shooting it, it would be Hammer. I live only half an hour ne of Karlsruhe away. Wäre echt klasse!
I my experience you can never collect enough, right?
BG Dobby
Antwort von fabchannel:
Hello,
thank you for your answers. Helps me next.
Jürgen
Antwort von PowerMac:
If one of the hundreds sS trains from the region Karlsruhe-Pfalz-Schwarzwald-Enztal. Karlsruhe, yes. More specifically, Europe Square.
Ha ichs knew it! Now I find that quite interesting. If you the next time a film turns, as in February, do you think it would be allowed, if I could watch? Just watch ... I would be terribly interested in the fact, especially because I plan professionally synonymous Directing in the direction to go. I was never in a real shooting it, it would be Hammer. I live only half an hour ne of Karlsruhe away. Wäre echt klasse!
I my experience you can never collect enough, right?
BG Dobby Yes, clearly pleased. We rotate every two months an image synonymous film. Since the team is not big, but 50 people, but at least you can learn something synonymous. Also I'm learning s.jedem filming and every project;)
Antwort von domain:
WoWu quote:
......... Not quite, because the situation of the white point of different color spaces differ ... so that the colors synonymous. In all, familiar to me as CIELab color, sRGB, Adobe RGB, PAL, SECAM, HDTV is the standard D65 (6500 Kelvin) to define the white point is recommended.
What color is a different standard than currently relevant? I'm not up to date, outdated D50 standard, you will hardly believe.
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Hello,
my tube monitor Philips 109 S4 has a function "light frame" the videos are colorful again. Except I have never used the test.
Perhaps there is something synonymous for flat screens?
Martin
Antwort von MK:
Class 1, there is an official designation of high-fidelity broadcast monitors anyway not longer, but halt still sounds good ;-)
The Samsung monitor have to be supplied with the software can define a section with the other parameters is shown (brightness / contrast / color, etc.).
Otherwise, the program editing a color filter over it, or manual brightness -16%, +16% contrast, color saturation approximately +3%
Antwort von domain:
A setting of halfway usable Windows monitors, you can usually get when the contrast set to 100%, then the Belle Nuit test chart worried http://www.belle-nuit.com/testchart.html and the brightness einregelt so that the box with the Number 251 still of 255 and the box 16 from the field still zero distinguishable.
In particular, for the gamma and of course you can color synonymous possibilities of setting the graphics card driver to use.
Furthermore, the Graukeil of Belle Nuit over the whole course really gray.
