Frage von muenzenbasti:
Hallo ihr Lieben.
I deal with, especially for the consumer division of a large German newspaper (no, not the red, with which one can form his opinion) to an article in the American shopping eBay - here currently attract favorable prices because the dollar is weak.
But who then ordered the Inch experiencing an unpleasant surprise - the juicy fees suggests that it makes the bargains and destroy (with several hundred dollars extra charge for a digital SLR, for example).
Is there someone in the forum, which at times eBay has purchased in America and of the duties was surprised? Or someone knows her, the sort has happened?
Would be glad if a forum could help colleague.
Liebe Grüße
MUENZENBASTI
Antwort von High_Tension:
Of the duties I am not surprised by (what's an Internet in which everything toll can read), but of what has arrived ... twice has everything works wonderfully and the third time I'm inside like ... shit happens:)
Antwort von WoWu:
Spiegel Online has published an article in which they s.Beispiel such purchases of Apple hardware (Virgin), both locally as synonymous as an online purchase and calculate the whole synonymous changes, provided they are necessary.
http://klischka.de/joomla/content/view/560/94/
Result: savings of between 4% and 48 .... anyway.
A large part of profit is thus synonymous, however, that firms simply the weakness of the dollar does not pass, but in your pocket .... thus it is understandable that customers buy in the U.S..
Antwort von beiti:
But who then ordered the Inch experiencing an unpleasant surprise - the juicy fees suggests that it makes the bargains and destroy (with several hundred dollars extra charge for a digital SLR, for example). Digital cameras are duty free. You pay "only" after the German VAT.
The course takes comfort those affected little. However, it is very reckless thing s.die ran when you did not previously informed that there is something like the inches there, and that the importation of goods outside of the EU is not so easy, but everyone has already heard. That to ignore everything and just blindly trying to testimony of an "eyes and through" mentality in the surprise case deserves no sympathy.
I think the "victims" know yourself synonymous. Therefore it seems difficult to find such people. My embarrassing mishaps posaunt nobody voluntarily made.
Antwort von Theo_Rehticker:
Love Customs financial investigators and officials, please do not read on!
After a bad experience last year, I wanted no more active foreign buying. Since I had several SD memory cards in Hong Kong months later and ordered a USB memory stick and Billigstkopfhörer receive. The Inch asked intensively, because the consignment was declared as a gift, but I could clear conscience say the delivered item does not have to be purchased and was the USB stick with you for free. The 8GB was incidentally as recognized by the PC - but it has only 1GB, which proved to be fatal for the data out. Because my disappointment at the Inch was apparently abandoned the officer pointed the stick s.seinen Calculator to connect to the size and value. Otherwise I would have for the fees of a 1GB stick 8GB pay.
But now to my (still) positive Camcorder Import from JU EASHAW EY:
HV30 for 568 Euro to s.die doorstep. The American manufacturer offers its Article synonymous in Europe s.and has a warehouse in England. My HV30 was for about 50 ¬ uro (camcorder ca 520 ¬ uro) sent from America. Maybe not quite unimportant: the supplier manufacturer carton packed in gift paper (!)
Question: What is the legal situation in a "self-gift"?
The package was without objection by the inch - I had planned 20% and the fees would total 520 + 104 + 50 = 674, which will still be cheaper than a purchase in Germany was (s.ca. 750 ¬ uro). As far as I can be very satisfied. About gray here in the forum a lot (often of vendors) has been written. The warranty is only 12 months and the device must be in the incident back in the States are sent. Canon recognizes the serial number against the sale and a repair is in Germany as a guarantee to reject the case.
My comment is an additional extended warranty of 4 years for about 40 euros in the Americas also is offered. Did someone experience? Approx. two weeks I still have time to decide until 30 days after the date of purchase, the "service contract" to be completed.
Incidentally, the camcorder is very, very quickly inside of 3 days after confirmation of my purchase on Ebay / England with me at home.
PAL or NTSC is s.Geräten HDMI connection with no preference and who has always burns in the proper format. A disadvantage of no-Pal device might have felt on vacation when the shots s.Hotelfernseher not be considered.
As long as no harm occurs, I am very satisfied and glad to have saved money.
If an injury occurs, I must again expect to learn whether it is really worthwhile.
Incidentally I do like to save but I'm ready synonymous with a good advice to pay more than the world's cheapest offer. Cheap can be many, and certainly the world - but a buyer the right choice, unfortunately, only a few breakthrough.
Hope that was helpful or at least interesting.
Antwort von beiti:
Manufacturer of cardboard packaging manufacturer in gift paper (!) It's nothing serious about vendor: (
What is the legal situation in a "self-gift"? Definitely. If you of the trick with gift packaging and Fehldeklarierung you know, you've made punishable.
I had planned 20% and the fees would total 520 + 104 + 50 = 674, which will still be cheaper than a purchase in Germany was (s.ca. 750 ¬ uro). 20% is a bit too short of. The HV30 is synonymous video input and is therefore covered by the VCR duty of 12.5%. Then there are 19% EUSt, ie a total premium of 33.9%. The postage is usually synonymous with fully paid, so you would have the correct clearance for 760.55 Euro total had.
Quite ausgestanden incidentally, is the thing yet. If the inch here - contrary to your request - mitliest and makes you out, you can still be caught. Even if you somehow make it credible, not consciously to have evaded taxes (and thus a penalty miss), then at least you have still have to pay EUR 192.55.
My comment is an additional extended warranty of 4 years for about 40 euros in the Americas also is offered. The you can but probably not benefit from, without the device to send to America. In return, the Inch-theater again in front of - because you get the camcorder is not correctly paid, you will receive course synonymous no certificate for duty-free re-importation.
PAL or NTSC is s.Geräten HDMI connection with no preference and who has always burns in the proper format. A disadvantage of no-Pal device might have felt on vacation when the shots s.Hotelfernseher not be considered. ... And if you Grandma for a copy on VHS PAL shalt make. And if you 50-Hz Leuchstoffröhren films. And if you put the pictures with 50i shots cut together like. (etc. - but the issue we had already several times)
Antwort von Theo_Rehticker:
It was not my intention to defraud the government and hurt importers. I bought at Ebay / England in pounds and I was not aware that the item is shipped from the USA. Customs duties, I had not expected to have 20% of value added as a precaution, I added because I think the agreements with Great Britain are not known. Up to now all our purchases abroad by the Inch been reviewed, such as carpet, and when the camcorder, I had expected nothing else. The intent has not been definitively. Some vendors refer to the VCR - not duty, but talk of 4.8% for electronics items. With the expected 33.9% premium to the HV30, I would have bought in Germany.
Antwort von beiti:
I bought at Ebay / England in pounds and I was not aware that the item is shipped from the USA. As would be yes, if yet to clarify whether the provider you are not even paid Inch / EUSt would have to repay if he makes you believe, you order in the EU.
I searched for your portrayal suspect that these providers throughout Inch systematically avoids by rather than his (alleged) in the UK stock the goods directly from the U.S. retail s.die and then send with gift paper and gift false declaration works. Because the goods he would broadly into the EU, he would order the Inch not around. Through the distribution of many individual users will be easier. Of course, it remains illegal.
Antwort von Markus:
One of my obligatory links:
As I am avoiding the Inch? - And how not? Maybe I should post the times on online orders extend ...
Antwort von Theo_Rehticker:
Beiti Well, to my concerns about the warranty is now actually a bad conscience and the foreshadowing of upcoming post to get - as criminals, I have not really seen, rather than global customers. My contribution is synonymous not been written to with a bargain to brag or even imitating a crime but to reconsider pros and cons of buying abroad from my point of view and show others a decision to help. Incidentally, the shipper, the product packaged as a gift, I know, but not declared as such. The possible origin USA I would have the (long) text can see if I can not by the cheap price would have been a little dazzled.
Antwort von beiti:
Incidentally, the shipper, the product packaged as a gift, I know, but not declared as such. Can be synonymous, that it simply through the customs control "durchgerutscht" (where I myself have not yet experienced - although I have only minor things in the U.S. ordered to the inch is not that worthwhile). I would in that case nothing next business and simply wait to see whether a bill-Inch down.
Antwort von Theo_Rehticker:
That tells me happy - thank you
Antwort von beiti:
Times I do that
these providers
There is actually nothing suspicious offer, which refers to fraudulent practices, even the gift paper is understandable explained. Since nobody can claim that the buyer did want to inch evade.
I know it is not safe, but not synonymous, I believe that one is obliged to apply something afterwards if it is in the mail not been edited. What otherwise would be if someone s.Flughafen with dutiable goods by the "green output goes.
Since there are already other caliber of dealers (vssolche from Hong Kong), even the very open call for tax fraud.
For example this one: "We warrant 100% NO UK Duty / VAT for the item, or full reimbursement. For other countries, we will declare the unit as" gift of no commercial value "or in other terms for easy clearance and try our best To minimize your risks on tax
pls no worry. " Since the customer can be synonymous, if not more important rausreden that he had not known.
Antwort von Theo_Rehticker:
RESULT!
Antwort von Cpt. Morgan:
Notebooks and handhelds are so loud spiegel artikel exempt ... what about for mac pro with nem nem or normal desktop computer ...
gruß, klaas.
Antwort von Theo_Rehticker:
The post has arrived!
Beiti Well, to my concerns about the warranty is now actually a bad conscience and the foreshadowing of upcoming post to get When conversion of pounds into dollars into euros, the supplier probably very negligent and a declaration as a "Digital Camera" has probably helped with that of me still amount to be paid only 54.05 euros.
Where can I calmed down and be satisfied - until an event occurs warranty.
Perhaps someone still has experience with an "Extended Warranty",
or an informed opinion - like synonymous an anonymous guest.
Antwort von beiti:
The post has arrived! [...]
When conversion of pounds into dollars into euros, the supplier probably very negligent and a declaration as a "Digital Camera" has probably helped with that of me still amount to be paid only 54.05 euros. What has brought the mail today? An invoice from the inch?
Antwort von Theo_Rehticker:
The bill came of DHL, Division Finance Operations Germany. Dhl in advance and has gone to 7 pages annexed invoice beibefügt, including a 6 - sided decision levy the Main Customs Office Dresden.
Antwort von chlorophyll:
The intent has not been definitively. What is important in this type of fraud matters is not the intent. Here enough from negligence ( "need to know" are the magic words). The mere fact that someone has - publicly or not - worry about the legality of his action makes ( "na how is this with a self-gift"): there must still impose a presumption that, unless something is not kosher with the gift number!
even the gift paper is understandable explained. Since nobody can claim that the buyer did want to inch evade. How stupid can you be as yet!
This state here for fools to believe, is a very serious mistake. The Inch for so verblödet to hold that he is not mitliest, incidentally synonymous (in another video forum has indeed a long time ago already "geoutet"). Because synonymous customs officials dominate Google. Addiction times after forum usa camera control ", and look what forums under the first 100 hits occur. Enumerates times with what alone in the Google hit list already blatantly indicates the direction of tax evasion.
Antwort von chlorophyll:
Since the customer can be synonymous, if not more important rausreden that he had not known. ... latte while it really is, whether he knew ... "need to know" will be adopted :-))
Antwort von beiti:
even the gift paper is understandable explained. Since nobody can claim that the buyer did want to inch evade.
How stupid can you be as yet!
This state here for fools to believe, is a very serious mistake. The Inch for so verblödet to hold that he is not mitliest, incidentally synonymous (in another video forum has indeed a long time ago already "geoutet"). Why should it be offensive per se, in America anything in wrapping paper to order? At worst, it will be at the customs control performed in order to verify the declaration. And this makes Dealers yes (as opposed to the Hong Kong store, which I've linked) no wink specifications the Inch illegal to circumvent.
Once in this case is now synonymous one inch eingetrudelt bill, should the case be so off.
Antwort von flo_g:
The import duties paid amount was too low, as the receiver itself has recognized (only ¬ 54.05), such a declaration, the recipient of a mailing to unsolicited properly (§ 153 Abgabenordnung). Does he not, he celebrates A TAX evasion (§ 370 paragraph 1 point 2 Abgabenordnung). The responsibility for the accuracy of the application in the mailing bears the recipient, not the shipper, the carrier or other third parties!
So EVEN DISPLAY s.das Hauptzollamt that the decision to adopt, correct details, the difference amount to pay, otherwise threatens even anger at some point ... Apart from this: Contrary to emerging inflationary "rumors" in Internet forums is the dispatch of "gifts" no "gray area", but also simple and easy one (at least attempted) tax evasion (on the forums always palavert, as it is the normal cause of world) ...
Antwort von flo_g:
The intent has not been definitively.
What is important in this type of fraud matters is not the intent. Here enough from negligence ( "need to know" are the magic words). The mere fact that someone has - publicly or not - worry about the legality of his action makes ( "na how is this with a self-gift"): there must still impose a presumption that, unless something is not kosher with the gift number! That sounds great now after "Beamtenhalbwissen" !!!!!!!
There is no "negligence" Fraud! Fraud is always ahead of intent (cf. Engels, comments, StGB, see BGH).
"Knowledge must be" hypothetical and is not legally dingbar. Only the "knowledge" should be! And this is a case dependent.
There are no synonymous negligent homicide! This is known as manslaughter - and is a completely different shoe.
Customs officials say unfortunately synonymous always very much without knowing it.
