| Test: Quo vadis, Canon? Legria HF S10
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Test: test: Quo vadis, Canon? S10 RF Legria of rudi - 12 Feb 2009 14:08:00
> Canon offers with its new series Still higher image resolution, an advanced chip area, a larger lens design and more manual intervention. Sounds great, but what will these changes mean in practice?
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Answer by deti:
Somehow, the presumption in terms of image quality even close and this is the new model synonymous, even more than twice as expensive. If I correctly interpret the test, then now would be a good time to the old models cheap to buy, right?
Deti
Answer by Jan:
Thank you for the test.
Canon is now well-tried with pure Protzerei to score points.
The picture resolution of a number of clients is now more or less no preference, sharp images are important and bright & colorful interior shots, which I hear of my clients frequently.
And my clients are more likely to amateur & beginner group.
Professional customers is the photo resolution nor unimportant.
I'm really curious how the fiscal year 2009, as the customers accept the new cameras.
At the moment, one could feel that particularly interested in Canon a model year 2008 Shopping Spree organize.
Canon is expected (according to the latest figures) the 2008 fiscal year (in March in Japan) positive design, Panasonic and Sony products deep where the high synonymous yen exchange rate was not innocent.
I think 2009, the cards are reshuffled!
VG
Jan
Answer by Shiranai:
A pity, but da Canon sets the bar right after initially promising data, unfortunately, is not higher but lower. The cam still twice as expensive as some 2008 models fails should constitute a death sentence.
Thus, with the Panasonic SD300 for 2009 is clearly the better cards, except Samsung brings perhaps a surprise hit.
But many customers are synonymous likes of mega pixels and Design deceive ...
Answer by DeeZiD:
A pity, but da Canon sets the bar right after initially promising data, unfortunately, is not higher but lower. The cam still twice as expensive as some 2008 models fails should constitute a death sentence.
Thus, with the Panasonic SD300 for 2009 is clearly the better cards, except Samsung brings perhaps a surprise hit.
But many customers are synonymous likes of mega pixels and Design deceive ...
Is there only me?
Anyone who buys something because if one of the Panasonic SD300 with manual handling and clear picture quality gets better?
Answer by partylogger:
The test result is just sobering, if this be taken seriously. Let's see what other magazines to test the camera say.
If confirmed, I still do not succeed for my HV20/30. But I'm tired of working with bands. Or SDHC flash memory is me s.sympathischsten. HDD seems to me (because synonymous mechanical) as sensitive. Well, maybe I will buy in addition to the HV30, a HF11.
However synonymous, but I do want a secure and good quality control methods, particularly for focus and zoom.
Answer by Zizi:
disappointing!
Since the new Sony's more!
The photo resolution camcorders but want only the least!
A 370 ¬ Sanyo 1000 tells still nicer Lowlight pictures as Canon and Sony all together .. ist doch echt plamabel!
Answer by mann.michael:
The disappointing test results Ausflösungs speaks but rather that it is Vorserienprobleme act. I would be very surprised if the final equipment is not better to resolve than the previous Canons (HF10/100/11).
Here a Japanese test in which single frames you can download:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrendy.nikkeibp.co.jp%2Farticle%2Fpickup%2F20090113%2F1022724%2F%3FP%3D1&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=
Answer by Shiranai:
I do not think that much will change, the cameras come already next month on the market, ie of the components will certainly not change.
It would perhaps be possible that with the final (or synonymous later) firmware a bit is removed. The daylight performance is synonymous already at a high level, only low light is really grottig.
Answer by mann.michael:
Hmm ... that would mean, 6 Mpixel interpolated to 2 Mpixel (HF S10) deliver worse Resolutionals 2 Mpixel natively (HF10). An indictment for Canon, you should confirm this.
Still I hope for positive tests ...
Answer by RickyMartini:
IMO, the HF10/11/100 3.3 m and not 2M.
Answer by deti:
If we look for:
Initial conditions / assumptions:
- Both Canon sensors each have the same active area per pixel
- The pixels are square (not entirely correct assumption wg. Bayer algorithm)
it gives the following account:
RF-S10: 8,59 MPixel to 1 / 2, 6 "-> 3.027 MPixel per Inch
HF-100: 3,31 Mpixel to 1 / 3, 2 "-> 0.967 MPixel per Inch
The result is a pixel diagonal difference in factor of 3.13
The surface behaves the diagonal as follows: f = d ^ 2 / 2
This results in an increased by a factor of 4.89 smaller area per pixel.
This is sometimes a sign of greater noise.
Now Crop and scaling comes into play:
HF-100: Crop with 2.07 MPixel
RF-S10: Crop with 6.01 MPixel
The to-reach Resolutionvon 1920x1080 is 2.07 MPixel:
HF-100: Scale 1:1
RF-S10: Scale 1:2,9
Let us start of a noise reduction by scaling of a geometric sum of uncorrelated input quantities, then have to have the new sensor still significantly less noise by a factor of ~ 1.68 to compensate.
... just as quickly on the thumb gepeilt - apologies if I should have netted.
Deti
Answer by mann.michael:
Here is a Japanese test - HF vs S10. SonyHDR-XR520V:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fav.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2F%2F20090212%2Fzooma398.htm&sl=ja&tl=en
I have downloaded the clips in Vegas and analyzed / rendered. Except for the extremely ugly Bookeh (lozenge) I find the S10 RF convincing; color and the sharpness of the Sonym. E. superior.
Check out the clip, in particular, "ezsample" on (approximately 400 MB). Color and sharpness m. E. better than my HF100.
Are there other voices?
Cheers, man
Answer by deti:
In my opinion, only the interesting and the readings are simply bad. Subjective Picture impression makes about as much as low-oxygen speaker cable and gold at the HIFI-hearing. Somehow reminds me of the discussion synonymous strongly s.den pitiful video support the Nikon D90.
So if there are no template for a heated discussion is ;-)
Deti
Answer by aircam:
Although very interesting and because such
So well are integrable ...
Why actually a teleconverter and not what finally
among digicams "understood" was:
WIDE CONVERTER - starting s.28mm then 20mm or better
(KB) that is what the customer wants.
Such a change would have the advantage of converters, the basic lens
relatively scarce Bzgl focal lengths can be held ...
What should be noticed btw, the Cam mind is 30% too expensive.
Answer by Bernd E.:
very interesting ... because this is very probably are integrable ...
This is not new, if you now of the elected term of Canon "can mislead: He is here - as in the test synonymous evidence - basically nothing more than the trite digital zoom.
... Why TELEFUNKEN actually a converter and not ... ... WIDE CONVERTER
The answer seems to be obvious: There is no problem, from an existing Picture a piece herauszuschneiden (= tele effect), but impossible to picture content hinzuzuerfinden that of the camera did not record. How will they know what is outside their field image is?
Answer by Interlaced_Killer:
The "tele-converter" you can not with a previously so-called "digital zoom", since the latter on the chip size hinausskalierten.
In the case of the Canon may even increase the image quality, because with less activated must be scaled. Moreover it must be for the same field of view less zoom, which is known to bring light.
A pity that the ever-increasing chip does not have a lower resolution, which would otherwise smooth surface which bring only gimmicks like the "Tele Converter" and large-screen image would not stop there. This great quality * Lowlight träum *.
Answer by Stonehorn:
@ Slashcam
When can we with a post-test in order to signal electronics reckon?
Greeting
Stone
Answer by rudi:
Good question,
We are currently s.den other since Cams and have the brand new Sony series (including the XR520!) In the Making (and the Canon D5). Then there is also still at least a (still secret) Kracher p.18. March in the editorial and then we could again work with the Canons.
Me, however, would be synonymous, the results of other testing laboratories are interested in, yet nothing is heard of to make them before I put the camera to a second presentation reinhole. If similar results have not brauch ich ja nochmal ran. If not then probably already; (. But until late March will probably be synonymous of other sites / magazines have heard what (I hope) ...
Many greetings
Rudi
Answer by Stonehorn:
Thank you for this statement Rudi! In looking forward to the upcoming tests!
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