Frage von Sebera:
Hi,
've probably ne rarely stupid question.
In the last 2 years I have filmed with automatic transmission (; * ashamed *)
that will now be closing.
What is Shuttereinstellung (for football, outside) recommended?
Theoretically, I could adjust the shutter still so high that I have had enough and I do not need Lichausbeute Gain (; because of the Grieseln)
Or was doing Anfängerdenkfehler nen?
Thanks for your help!
Antwort von mon3:
quite simple: from shutter.
for a slightly better slomo feel you can adjust the shutter to 60 hz, but everything else works sinnfrei.
higher is also blinded flutes, less than 50 hz - probiers times out ;-)
Antwort von gunman:
quite simple: from shutter.
for a slightly better slomo feel you can adjust the shutter to 60 hz, but everything else works sinnfrei.
and less as you can imagine ... probiers times from (; training) and you can see for yourself what is the problem. HI
What do you mean by shutter?? Would interest me!
Gunman
Antwort von tommyb:
Shutter should always be 1 / 50 - be no preference what happens. Everything else just makes the movements in football jerks.
Antwort von mon3:
Shutter should always be 1 / 50 - be no preference what happens. Everything else just makes the movements in football jerks. is not strictly true, but what is caused
by 1 / 50, the jerk.
@ gunman: Shutter
especially in video cameras and digital cameras, the seal is called a shutter, and is synonymous electronical realized.
Antwort von strike300xxx:
Does not synonymous!
Everything is about 1/50tel jerk caused.
1 / 25 rather causes streaks.
Antwort von gunman:
Shutter should always be 1 / 50 - be no preference what happens. Everything else just makes the movements in football jerks.
is not strictly true, but what is caused by 1 / 50, the jerk.
@ gunman: Shutter
especially in video cameras and digital cameras, the seal is called a shutter, and is synonymous electronical realized. The setting of the shutter is a time setting and has nothing to do with the 60 hz frequency or ...
Gunman
Antwort von Sebera:
häää?
Which is it?
Was thinking shutter is a shutter speed. And the higher the better for fast movements.
My shutter can now be defined as follows:
of 1 / 50, 1 / 100, 1 / 125, 1 / 180, 1 / 250, 1 / 350, 1 / 500, 1 / 750, 1 / 1000, 1 / 1500, 1 / 2000, 1 / 3000, 1 / 4000, 1 / 8000
if on the 1 / 50 is allowed to stand - why you can set it to at all. And what makes my so-called sports program in the Cam? I mean the right aperture and gain so it is already in the standard automatic transmission - or are they only Programs "Volksverarsche"?
Antwort von canovision:
<mon>: beyond me what you want to tell us:
"Shutter off"?
"50hz-60hz"?
"Feels like slow motion"?
"what is under 1 / 50"?
I think for round, natural motion reproduction shutter at 1 / 50 sec and is good ...
Antwort von mon3:
ok, that was the 60
hz with a broken on my part, ash on my main, I had something else in the head.
= equivalent shutter from 1 / 50 setting
felt better slomo: I mean that a slow-motion with shuttereinstellung 1 / 60 looks a little cleaner than with 1 / 50
less than 1 / 50: yes, there are some who let the cameras shutterspeed set to less than 1 / 50, so eg. 1 / 25, 1 / 12, 1 / 6 to 1 / 3. and jerk cause these settings, or of me schlieren from synonymous, synonymous, as always, in any event is destroyed during the moving image content.
Antwort von tommyb:
The shutter has an influence on the "motion sharpness. A shutter at 1 / 50 makes them look blurred movements - a shutter at 1 / 500 because it provides sharper, they are less blur, but the objects easily through ruckeln Picture.
At 1 / 25 is also jerky - the problem has less to do with sharpness of movement but rather a "lack of number of images with".
Suppose we turn interlaced, with 50i. Each picture is displayed for 20ms (, 1000 ms: 50 frames = 20 ms).
If we set the shutter at 1 / 50, then each of these images is exactly 20ms long exposed (; 1000ms: 50 = 20ms). That is, a fast-flying ball is spherical, not shown, but rather (as a tail, ie a white oblong shape, so just ne sausage).
Why is this so? The ball travels during this 20ms (and a picture) a certain distance and is synonymous exposed over the entire route.
Counterexample: We shoot with one shutter of 1 / 500. Each of the 50 images in interlaced keep recording - but they are now exposed considerably shorter. We count with 1000 ms: 500 = 2 ms. Each picture is what we are recording so just 2ms long exposed - that is already extremely short.
What exactly happened? The ball is exposed in its Vorwärtsbwegung only 2ms long, ignoring the rest will be 18ms. The tail and the sausage is now so short that the ball may be true some appear - as it actually is. The motion in this case is "frozen".
The problem, however: The 18ms until the next picture is moving the ball, of course, next - the camera but this movement 18ms not noticed - the shutter of 1 / 500 is due. The next picture of the next ball is already hiked a bit and it will be a picture made of 2ms duration. If you play these pictures from behind, so "jerky" Now the ball through the area because of the high motion sharpness. At 1 / 50 would be the tail / sausage seamlessly s.einander series, one would have a natural image reproduction to the human eye is very similar.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Sebera
Generally, it is as you have since written the shutter at a particularly photos brought to bear.
For "the moving pictures" So during the shoot, however, it depends on the movement and use the FPS setting.
Say if you use at Stillimage example of a shutter 1 / 500 or 1 / 1000 then take the motion is frozen. Come on film but not always good.
So when the standard film about 1 / 50 synonymous 1 / 100 still comes over well.
But thou Uses for film 1 / 1000 then "missing" part of the motion sequence to the next picture when you spend aka 25FPS with the standard record.
This can be put through a kind of morphing with the analysis of the pixels, but still quite good together.
I would guess at the moving objects tend to 1 / 100. For normal objects, and slow movements to 1 / 50. (; Everything now in 50i or 25p aka 25FPS recording)
So you will get good picture quality without too much "streaking" or "jerking"
If you can let the camera shoot faster, you can then use different shutter settings synonymous.
For example 300fps can be 1 / 600 or 1 / 1000 to use .... we then quickly get the "300" fight scenes to look.
.................................
Conclusion: 1 / 100 you should take in football. That looks pretty good. Nutz, I often at "close to s.mir by moving objects" - eg ner SM machine s.mir in the curve by Slidet. From further away you can then return to 1 / 50 to go because you can hardly tell the difference later. eg surfers from the beach filmed.
MfG
B. DeKid
** Edit ** Tommy was faster ;-) ;-)
Antwort von Sebera:
@ B. DeKid and Tommy
Thanks now I have it strapped.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
No topic is so often a question on here.
Antwort von actaion:
the shutter with the shortest possible time-the way, is synonymous correctly - in pictures! During filming, however, do not.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
Great Info thank you, know the synonymous her more on photography. Thanks.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
But had one more question. On my HF10 I will not set a 1/100th as only 1 / 50 or 1 / 120th But I am almost sure that I have set the 1 / 100 times. What could have on?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Look at Page 49 of the manual indicates
YOU CAN ONLY 1 / 120
http://files.canon-europe.com/files/soft31979/manual/HF10_HF100_CUG_DEU.pdf
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: ok but the 1 / 120 is almost the same addition as 1 / 100
Table looks like this in the manual (; Page 49)
1 / 2 *, 1 / 3 *, 1 / 6, 1 / 12, 1 / 25
To record s.schwach lit
Locations.
1 / 50
For recording under the most general
Terms.
1 / 120
For recording of indoor sports scenes. 1 / 250, 1 / 500, 1 / 1000 **
To record from a moving car or
Train or out of moving objects, such
As a roller coaster.
1 / 2000 **
To record scenes of Sport in the open
Sky s.sonnigen days
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
Yes, I read that in the BDA. But I am almost sure that I was able to drop 1 / 100 and then after I've kept up a bright light she has jumped to 1 / 120th In other forums I read always synonymous 1 / 100 in connexion with the HF10/100.
Maybe she has shown me, however, synonymous only briefly before, the value of the P mode was available. Get this now to test it again whether it is perhaps a more sluggish switches.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Among us .... often we write 1 / 100 this is often only 1 / 120 in there ... but is really really not a thing
Almost makes you faster than expected 1 / 50 twice but in the end you notice that without analysis Progi eh not whether that is 1 / 100 or 1 / 120 ... often you can find synonymous 1 / 125 ... So really, in my eyes ;-) No Prob
But the test time and reports to us, perhaps there a trick since 17th
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Modellbahner:
AndreasBloechl
the camera is in P mode synonymous an already time periods, the halt in the manual mode, not of hand are adjustable. Since this is recognized only when the playback, it does not interest me personally, because I can change and there is nothing in it.
Bernd
PS: Tell me in how many forums you eigendlich is always the same questions?
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
Here and in the video meeting this is about exactly the same problem or issue. I'm still synonymous in other forums on the road where you can always find the same theme. I hold different opinions and to be interested synonymous yes exactly such forums are there. Information can not get enough.
Yesterday I looked at and the HF200 is because it is exactly the same as synonymous only set to 1/120stel.
