Frage von bcvaup:
First of all a warm welcome,
My first entry here in the forum.
I want to buy me in the near future, an HD camcorder, and do not necessarily spend more than ¬ 700 price. I hope that I will be here weitergeholfen and wanted to just ask which models are recommended in this price range.
The following matters appear to me to be important for my purposes:
- Image Stabilization
- Save to SD Card
- I often in concert halls during movies, the camera in low light is "reasonably" make good shots
- Good sound, recording maybe 5.1?
The following things are not important to me:
- The quality of the photos, because I have a digital SLR camera
- Zoomweite, if not much different from the "standard"
- Has no internal memory but can be!
Thank you in advance, and love greetings
BCV
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
when the 2009 models are available for 700 ¬ and best performance and SD card only a camera - the Canon HF 200th But on a 5-channel sound you have to do without her.
Did you compete at the Panasonic SD 20, is the only model at low light and in terms of sharpness quite far behind the 200th RF To halt 5-channel sound, AF tracking and more optical zoom. JVC HM 200 does have an unsurpassed consumer HD 20x optical zoom and 2 card slots, from the picture but it is more like the 20th SD
The new Sony flash cameras will arise s.The peak, only 1000 ¬ Prices in direction are spaced and no SD card.
VG
January
Antwort von bcvaup:
Hello,
Thank you for your detailed reply. I've just compared the HF10/100 with the RF 20/200 and found that 10/100 has cut better in lowlight. Can anyone tell from experience if this really strikes so strong that it makes a note in the same test?
And if I am correctly informed, the difference between the 10 and 100 respectively 20 and 200 is still only that the models have 20/10 on internal memory?
So the Canon 100 or 200 are definitely narrower in the schonmal Choice.
'm Still SonyHDR CX11 in the eye.
What was filmed again for the following Auswirkungena?
- No manual adjustment of the shutter ...
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Incidentally, it must not necessarily be for 2009 model! If the quality is right and my needs are covered, and it may well be like an older model.
Love Greetings
Antwort von Jan:
The CX 11 and especially the HF 100 would be little more because the new models are on the market since March 2009. The CX 11 has indeed just now getting her successor, who is a lot better, but the direction of synonymous ¬ 1000. At least that is the shops, what the Internet synonymous with gray imports still rumdümpelt I can not say.
In Munich, eg in shops for months, no new HF 100 anymore.
Yes RF 100 is a bit better, but not significantly, according Videoaktiv.
CX 11 are disqualified for many users due to the extremely expensive Memory Stick Pro Duo, Picture of a little under the 200th RF
CX 11 has no control over sound synonymous, and no manual shutter.
Yes, the double-digit Canons have built-in memory, but they are almost always considerably expensive than HF 100 & 200 with 16 GB SDHC card.
A Normalkunde is more likely to notice any difference, except it compares the two cameras side by side. I have been many Panasonic
SD 20 sold, it has greater sharpness losses - under 35 people struck with me no .....
Good 90% of Normalkunden see any difference or do not want to see him.
VG
January
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
To me it seems as if the HF200 a slight advantage in image stabilizer, I did something last week in more detail in Saturn's viewed me and against which they believe there is a little better than my HF10.
Antwort von bcvaup:
The CX 11 and especially the HF 100 would be little more because the new models are on the market since March 2009. The CX 11 has indeed just now getting her successor, who is a lot better, but the direction of synonymous ¬ 1000. At least that is the shops, what the Internet synonymous with gray imports still rumdümpelt I can not say.
In Munich, eg in shops for months, no new HF 100 anymore.
Yes RF 100 is a bit better, but not significantly, according Videoaktiv.
CX 11 are disqualified for many users due to the extremely expensive Memory Stick Pro Duo, Picture of a little under the 200th RF
CX 11 has no control over sound synonymous, and no manual shutter.
Yes, the double-digit Canons have built-in memory, but they are almost always considerably expensive than HF 100 & 200 with 16 GB SDHC card.
A Normalkunde is more likely to notice any difference, except it compares the two cameras side by side. I have been many Panasonic
SD 20 sold, it has greater sharpness losses - under 35 people struck with me no .....
Good 90% of Normalkunden see any difference or do not want to see him.
VG
January Did the CX 11 yesterday Berlet times for 679 ¬!?
This sounds very interesting but priced for, right?
Is not there anyone with experience of HDR CX 105E has!?
Could this get Cam for 429 ¬.
Love Greetings
Antwort von makiHD:
Hi, perhaps I may still be synonymous nen tipp:
Panasonic HDC-SD9
2008er is a model, have to stop looking where you find it yet, but in my opinion, offers many advantages:
What fits for discussion: I just played first synonymous with a HDC-SD20.
An extreme difference is that the SD20 (; the newer model!)
only a CMOS sensor has only a little weaker in the light really grottig and primarily associated with extreme extremely blurred images AF supplies pumps. Synonymous, and yet costs about 500 ¬.
A Panasonic representative in a photo shop to me has advised, however, the SD9. Did they immediately made.
The size advantage is: 3CCD system! The camera is MUCH better in lowlight, despite a small 1 / 6''chip. Other data that you've specified as synonymous preference:
FULL HD 1920x1080
real-Digitla Dolby 5.1 Surround (; 5 separate mics!)
- EXTREMELY good optical (;!) Image Stabilization
- Saves on SD (card up to 32GB to 60GB HDD AND; HDD 8h s.Stück in the very best quality - 1920 HG-data rate of 17Mbit / s.
To resolve I have to correct to say the following:
The test is that the cam is no absolutely true FULL HD offers, the resolution was only slightly higher than 1440x1080, so would work with the Cam Upshifting. This was confirmed by the slightly lower horizontal resolution. Even so, the images look Ultra hot.
HERE once you have two test videos of the camera with fairly poor light in a gym, your scenario would come pretty close:
video 1: Summer, 20pm at night, no lights turned on in the hall, as light sensor - that is, only light through the small window. Find, for it hisses very little.
Video 2: summer evening, about 22 clock. However, YouTube has the sharpness to be low to me about 30%. The edges of the table is normally Ultra hot.
NOTE: The camera is absolutely identical and identical to the HDC-SD9, however, the SD9 has no HDD. So I have the HS9 get for 529, just restposten. Musst mind however, that the cam has cost at launch 899, so what is really fine. And I find the 100 ¬ for the HDD worth it, because then on vacation or can filmenn so real deal. synonymous class is that you move clips of HDD to SD and may be the other way. I use the HDD übriegens very often for time lapse recordings of sunrises, clouds, movements, etc.
The HDC-HS9 is here:
http://www.amazon.de/Panasonic-Camcorders-10-fach- display -silber/dp/B0017KRXO8/ref = sr_1_1? Ie = UTF8 & s = ce-de & qid = 1247823595 & sr = 8-1
The HDC-SD9 is here:
http://www.amazon.de/Panasonic-HDC-SD-Definition-Camcorders- AVCHD -silber/dp/B0013SR7F4/ref = sr_1_1? Ie = UTF8 & s = ce-de & qid = 1247823644 & sr = 1-1
Hope I could help you.
Oh yes, once synonymous read the reviews on amazon.de ;-)
Greeting makiHD
Antwort von Jan:
Hello --
yes, the SD 9 is clearly better than the 20th SD One must, however, the SD 20 to hold good that their equipment for the price is not bad. Such as AF Tracking and eg higher optical zoom and 5.1 sound for 500 ¬.
You can still tune synonymous SD 20 (; is strongly recommended), then increase sharpness and color. Many cameras in the class that applies only to the LCD, at the SD 20 for the host image.
The CX or XR 105 are noticeably worse than the CX 11th The CX 11 is indeed a hard drive without the SR 11 - SR 11 was in some magazines already quite good, but Canon was partially even stronger.
One has only to look at the smaller sensors of the new CX & XR 105s, as was to be expected that they could not challenge the CX 11, but that is what is now the new SonyCX 505 & 520s.
No idea whether the stability of the HF 200 even better than the 100 - really can not remember. In Munich there was a correct run in March at the old RF 100th
VG
January
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
Jan, I was yesterday with my HF10 for the first time really on the move. I had to evaluate s.Abend then immediately on the Pio plasma. I think the Cam Geil super easy, it occurs to me as if much of what I can only see on the display eye out too bad, but not on TV. Above all, the colors are not used in the least to the display, with whom I can live but if it fits on the TV. I would have imagined the wobble synonymous worse, but it has been going quite well. Only when I have problems is with the zoom lever, which is not as well placed as the TRV33 of my old, I'm with my finger always, however unintentionally, and I always have to be careful not accidental zooming. But otherwise still happy.
And for everyone else, I bought the HF10 at my local dealer, at 659 and the network they exist even cheaper and I would be careful but there.
When I look at what it has cost since the last year or so I think you can not really go wrong with this cam, and in all the forums where I am staying so very many users have this cam and is not intended because it would be bad. Also of my Page is a very clear recommendation.
Antwort von Jan:
But I think Russell had ne HF 100 (; Identical HF 10) or?
And if he has the (; specialized professional Comparators - nice) meant - then what it means ....
VG
January
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
And yes, he has very much synonymous with the HV models which he has compared to his blog. It is recommended to drop by jedenfall there and to find out details about. I'm almost there every day and need more of him.
Antwort von Jan:
For interested users here is the Blog of Wolfgang:
FX Support VG
January
Antwort von derhaxn:
hi
I would be interested in exactly where the differences between the models canon hf 10/100 and has the HG20 is, except of course, the HG20 a built-in hard drive of 60 gb. And especially if the HF10 has some advantages compared to the HG20, as has indeed also synonymous with a sd slot. gibts of the visual or qualitative differences liegts just s.der hdd? price would be the HG20 to have at the moment already under 600, -. where are the cons?
Antwort von Jan:
Since there are no big differences, only the HF series has a video light - and to the HG 20 with the higher data rate of 24 Mbit / sec works. Optics, resolution, sensor and focal is the same.
HG 20 uses (synonymous more electricity, and when you) to hard drive starts, but was expected. And she is obviously bigger and heavier and it is theoretically repair.
VG
January
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
The power consumption alone would deter me from it. Since the HF10 is synonymous damn fast empty on the original Batteries.
And the rotating parts of HDDs have prevented me synonymous them. Then you can go back to tape synonymous, as has been blocked synonymous wear parts.
