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25p UND 50p, aber wie???

25p and 50p, but how?



Frage von past0r:
März 2009

Servus,

what is the detailed work, if it were 25p and 50p material together in a project to process. Must be a conversion? Is it an audio offset? Which program do you use for it ...
I have all the time in only one mode and am what this issue is concerned entirely unbeleckt.
The forum is the combination of different modes mentioned but never explained wirlich.

Is there a forum or network somewhere ne Page where this topic transcoding / encoding ... and switch between the interlaced, progressive and deinterlaced material is well described?

Thanks in advance ...



Antwort von domain:

"past0r" wrote:

I did the whole time just in a mode ...


So, then yes everything is fine. You will not voluntarily begin to Herumswitchen and so you want einhandeln Troubles.



Antwort von past0r:

The theme is synonymous post-production ... The system requirement is higher at 50p?
My system (Intel quad 2.67, 8 gig RAM, Vista 64bit)

BUT ... still nowhere there a thread where this converter is explained in detail issues?








Antwort von wolfgang:

Look, überleg times: from 50p, you can quite easily make 25p - if the output is around 25p to take place. Will you make 50p, however, then the editing software in 25p material necessary to calculate additional photos of course - depending on what software will go halfway, but of course computationally intensive. If the output 50i done, then goes out of the 50p material easily - and at 25p are also the intermediate images interpolated.

Therefore, the real question, to what the final output is required. And depending on the properties of the NLE verwendten you can preview the material might be difficult - simply because the project properties so only on the or the can be set.

Tell wirs look like this: Everything is feasible, the issue is only with the quality. Interpolation between the images it's always expensive and perhaps less satisfactory quality. Try it stop times with your material on your system.



Antwort von past0r:

Hi Wolfgang,

So as already said above, it is clear to me that 50p from 25p can easily ... BUT not with how and what to observe!

Main Question:
So with what makes their program so what? Is that with any NLE or special software are needed for this.
IMPORTANT: Is there a good web page in the detail?

(I use Premiere CS4 and After Effects CS4)



Antwort von Lutz Dieckmann:

Hi,

Wolfgang is right, it depends on the output. I have not a premiere but combine in my Liquid with far less computing power everything comes so. A bit up and runterskalieren of 1920x1080/25p on 1280x720/50p, combined with 1280x720/25p issue and what the customer wants it (mostly DVD PAL). The implementation makes the machine.

Your NLE will can. Premiere is not stupid. I, too, pictures are no problem. I will soon make a tutorial about this, but it is unfortunately not yet written. The problem seems to exist in general. For questions, go to my page (signatures), such contact and call me.

Greeting

Lutz



Antwort von past0r:

So again the experience of learning by doing.
Ich würd ja synonymous not wonder if, when Sonyex1 not a loan from our university would act. And I do not for a limited period of time to experiment would have ...

Final question:
My it with a system (Intel Core2 Quad 2.67, 8 Gig Ram Cosair, Vista 64bit, Premiere CS4 and After Effects CS4) I 1280 x 720/50P Material cope? What should I be aware ...


Thank you!



Antwort von domain:

The material of the mpeg2-EX1 makes little problems in general and certainly not with your PC Aussattung. It adds that the 720p format, only 90% of the data throughput of 1080-i needed, so this is even less demanding.
But why do you want to have everything in advance theoretically have solved?
After you apparently already a lot and have the same format, but do you just sit down and just try. This gives more insight than all theoretical treatises together.



Antwort von past0r:

Hey domain,
merci for the first time and now to answer your question ...

I had to very quickly create lots of new things on it. Dealing with its Topkamera new nonlinear editing systems, lighting and then the real story for the customer ... If a music video 7min.
I am a little tense and wants to possibly the most important thing to know beforehand clarified ...

BUT, I am now bissel reassured to know that my system (ordered yesterday) is sufficient!

For Workflow - tips, I would be very grateful :-) synonymous



Antwort von wolfgang:

But, of course, there are some conversion tables in the literature, where time is described as permitted and what is not allowed. How do I find the info there that just 25p to 50p is not really acceptable - probably because the interpolation s.Qualität something to be expensive.

This does not mean that one can not expect - but it's synonymous always the question of how well the product is.

I know that some of Steven E. Brown: High Definition Post Production. Edigint and Delivering HD Video, Focal Press

If the final output actually a SD DVD, so I would the HD-material way, do not convert - but rather directly to SD mpeg2 at 720x576 for the DVD from the timeline issue. So in principle, possible to make a few conversions. If the calculation of the timeline is good - if not synonymous is the opposite true. I could imagine some (I habs not tested) that maybe AE is better than CS4. Long time, no good Zwischeninterpolation Premiere of images, but ok, that was long ago. I can give you, unfortunately, synonymous not say whether it is in CS4 special settings for this calculation is a little better.

Emotional, I would stop here so, that I assume the progressive material and modify it - namely the 720p to 1080 50i. Because I suspect that both the upscaling as synonymous intermediate interpolation from progressive material is better than one of interlaced material away.

But most times it is a little off - with the material, which is synonymous move indoors. The issue here is synonymous with the quality of motion resolution with interpolation - jerky about it? Wei is the comparison to the starting material? Suitable material and are looking for free.



Antwort von Lutz Dieckmann:

Hi,

So please do not hack me like the head off ;-))

I agree with Wolfgang. Make films is not a question of systems, and pixel processors. Make films about stories. If the story is true, no man is the pixel count. I am in my training quite a few examples. People never see the obvious mistake, because they just follow the story. These processors are the same no preference, as the systems and the pixels.
I do this easily. All in 720/25p rotated and afterwards transferred there where it hinsoll. Network, TV, DVD and HD. Works fine.

Not everything is always theoretically discuss and try out the time is not in technology but in the story invest.

Greeting

Lutz



Antwort von domain:

I will give you quite right Lutz, but about their fantasies, about their visions, about their stories and their boards to talk to people here not so happy because she stole other of them.
Furthermore, they want to their great and later released on Youtube great movies in best quality, because it is the very best of all possible HD cameras, at 4:4:2 keying and on some premium software for saving the recordings.
The purest disaster would be if you are no longer neutral on all technical details in width could be maintained.








Antwort von Lutz Dieckmann:

:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Yep!

Honestly, if someone here I would steal my story, I would perceive it as a compliment. But my story would he / she is first to implement!

Greeting

Lutz



Antwort von past0r:

Sure the story is the most important thing ... Especially in music videos a la Popsternchen I miss ne story almost. There is mainly only supports the artist ... On the other makes most of the text of which is not synonymous profound story: -)

@ Lutz:
If you have everything in 720 25p aufnimmst, you get no problems (bucking) during rapid movements and pans? Which program do you deien mentioned transformations?

I wanted everything now, as I said in 720 50p start!

A very most important question:
What do I need for the project setting in After Effects if I note, for example, a photo animation in the 720 50p Premiere project import?

I mean, do I have a synonymous Project 720 50p in AE to create? Or is synonymous else?

S.alle Best regards and thanks for the answers



Antwort von wolfgang:

Of course, if I have the choice between 720 50p and 25p had 720, I eigentich rather 720 50p. This synonymous, I can quite easily make 1080 50i, in relatively good quality.




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