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Blu-Ray reaches the critical (consumer-) mass?



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November 2008

Blu-Ray reaches the critical (consumer-) mass? Of rudi - 2 Nov 2008 10:23:00
According to ZD Net this comment is the future of high definition disc format yet again at the dump. Thus according to one manager, Samsung Blu-ray technology does not lead to a mass application, but rather a niche product, if the sales do not pick up very soon. Actually, this should be 2008 already the year of the breakthrough will be. With so far sold 800,000 discs in the first half in Germany, however, compared to the DVD (with approximately 43.8 million units) have not yet achieved significant market penetration. Should now synonymous still hard through the recession, many people probably forced a few years on the best DVD set. And then it would be a new format before the door.
Basically the thing we would not look quite so negative, however, speaks a Samsung manager, and this company is now definitely one of the biggest pushers of the Blu-Ray technology. Value of all concerns.
(S.Motiongroup Thanks for the link)

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Antwort von motiongroup:

The link has BrunoH found synonymous s.ihn the thanks of me ..



Antwort von Zizi:

No wonder .. the quality difference on a notmalen DVD is sometimes only slightly, at least not as great as the prices are!
The pixel count is just the theory .. a well produced / Scaled DVD looks equally often as a bad BlueRay!
The difference of VHS and DVD was huge in itself because of the disc!
Blue-ray is not more than ¬ 15 then it would cost OK! but 20-40 ¬ for a marginal difference in the sharpness eh FullHD possessively really only recognize NO Thanks!
I have an HD-DVD and BR player and buy normal DVDs are still apart of ¬ 4 HD-DVDs at Amazon.
Scheiß wheels ... Discs will be held as an art inside his USB stick so you can watch the movie .. then about the price of an existing SRN justified .. everything else is too sensitive and too poor in the sharpness to really willing to pay these prices!








Antwort von -ssSonyY-:

s.besten I think yes, if you dan Simpsons on Blu-Ray plays which originally NTSC times! were ???...!!!



Antwort von Zizi:

You mean in SD quality was ;-)
That is my opinion .. because so many bad movies have been produced and in 1920x1080 Rasta synonymous hardly look better!
Although many were produced in 35mm is a very rare quali much better .. (see the Simpsons movie, Spiderman, Rambo, etc.)



Antwort von -ssSonyY-:

I thought no, because they come from America .. that it should be NTSC? da würd ja synonymous interested me, as many "older" American Series 4:3 we are ... the picture is not actually cut?



Antwort von Zizi:

But .. many films are trimmed!
Especially 4:3 to 16:9 because it was not a single BlueRray or sometimes more DVD movies 4:3 where there still be represented!



Antwort von wolfgang:

Let's therefore look soberly: yes, the uptake of Blu Ray definitely lasts longer than many wanted. Depends with the original two formats together, and then in the moment with the high prices of buying discs and synonymous combustible Media - which is probably the main reason for the slow growth in market penetration is.

The players are not more slowly, the latest device to get around 200 euros, and the DVD player upscaling to high-quality, but is so synonymous in the price range for the 120 euros.

And we have already in many homes HDTVs, but the market share here at the 32-tariffs on 50% - which means that the difference with a classic DVD only then see if the viewing distance is rather very small - less than he in the living room is usually the case. This is actually no absolute reason for buying Blu Ray.

Still, would the price difference between Blu Ray and DVD discs small purchase, then we must synonymous with a long but steady replacement of the DVD by Blu Ray reckon. As long as the price delta, but in the range 50-70% higher price for the Blu Ray, so maybe at 17-20 euros in comparison to 25-30 euros, many ask, obs Blu Ray really needs.

I already suspect that there are further price reductions of buying discs, burners and blanks will be synonymous. The wider uptake of Blu Ray will only be taken in advance, the value for many households is too low, and we must not synonymous forget that we s.Vorabend a world economic crisis - or is already there, and only None know how deep it will be. A bad time for new and expensive technologies, which of course only in a nice area to have settled for many consumers.

Technological substitution takes, it can be synonymous to a decade, as we shift from analogue to digital GSM technology in the mobile saw.

I see absolutely not the death of the new technologies, but the growth will probably slow next directly, but it will take.



Antwort von Musashi:

I see this as Wolfgang. I do not know what the manager is presented. The all - after a long battle between HD DVD and Blu-Ray - now all their old DVD player to throw away and get a Blu-Ray player to buy? Hardly.

The people who are always the latest of the latest would like to have (have) already supplied.
In my friend circle, many only in the last 1-2 years now affordable DVD recorder Harddisks increased. The (synonymous and I) do not invest again in a new technology. As is the motto but rather wait until the devices break down and / or the prices drop and a clear vote of the industry for Blu-Ray as the medium for the next few years coming.

With the statement of the manager, Samsung is now once again the uncertainty of potential customers who are.

One year is more patience grade in the current economic times as the promising (at least in Slashcam contribution blackmail sounding) Warning: If the customer does not buy soon, we leave the Blu-Ray technology extinct.



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

I'm not as much thought or even sleepless nights ...

To my HD chain to close, I have three years because there synonymous had to wait on products such as Blu-ray burner / player ...

Now, author and burn my movies to current Verbatim blanks and enjoy myself to the very good results for my hobby filmmaker claims. Even back in the times of Super8 film, I am similarly with the supply chain are handled ...

Just as my S8 current movies on disk, so can I get it later - if I still feel like it should - then to convert current media ... to make a backup copy of my HD videos I have around here enough .. .

What in the future, possibly or not it comes dezeit me cold ...



Antwort von vaio:

I have previously (in a "good year"), only four synonymous BD movies seen. And "burn" I have the same period a "safety copy". Actually, just to see if it works - and it has. If Blu-ray's with "real resolution" look, it's a damn good quality. Schau'n time what the future brings ...

Greeting
Michael



Antwort von Christian Schmitt:

The problem is for me really, that the quality increases vermeindlichen no longer be perceived by consumers (can).
Who ne 82er Trinitonröhre nem good dvd with his own called, is of the x-times and converted gefiltereten images of a 50 "plasma is no longer so easily away, as it did when VHS was abgelößt.
In the audio field rotates the wheel backward even who fired his plant is not now with MP3s from the iPod?
The industry remains in my opinion only, the prices for DVD and BR media equally, then produced only one medium that can drive higher volumes and at least the new player and recorder off ...








Antwort von Frank B.:

For me it has many causes that BR is not as widespread as perhaps wished.

already been referred to yes:

- Relatively low quality difference to the well-recorded DVD
Upscaling and large distance to the monitor
- Potential buyers prefer to wait in the financial crisis
- Brenner, and CD player prices are too high

more reasons for me are:

- No BR Standallone recorder available. Germany is so far
just something for people with computer skills
- BR is therefore not yet a distribution medium, but a normal
Storage media
- For the computer - there are enough clients alternatives
(Save to external drives as SD card, DVD and of course
HDD)
- There are a number of parallel developments, such as network radio,
which are significantly cheaper and same quality

These are the things that I look at the Fast haggard, which probably not only me from the BR Purchase discourage.

Frank



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"Christian Schmidt" wrote:
.... In the audio field rotates the wheel backward even who fired his plant is not now with MP3s from the iPod?
...


Here just one of the reports on the Future of the Music CD





Antwort von wolfgang:

"Sometime" is perhaps anything is possible - would then be realistically a memory chip include 50 GB, which I do not think impossible. But then the magic with the required copy protection mechanisms, again, and here alone, industry has so enormously long time to solve.



Antwort von Maik:

"Frank B." wrote:

- For the computer - there are enough clients alternatives
(Save to external drives as SD card, DVD and of course
HDD)


For the computer totally uninteresting.
Instead of 20 to burn BluRay discs you can buy today for everyone 's
Euro paarundachtzig an external panel, secures, and is good.
When DVD came on the market, it was a real alternative, because eventually
medium large amounts of data on a disc could be exchanged,
the 7-800 Mb per CD has always been somewhat scarce.
Such times but today we know more garnicht, I saw no
So basic to me to install a burner ... BD disc s.Calculator watch?
No desire. TV enjoyment is playing in the living room instead, without humming Calculator (HTPCs times excepted).
When I think on it, how hot it was on an affordable
4-fach DVD Burners was ...

M.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"wolfgang" wrote:
"Sometime" is perhaps anything is possible - would then realistically such a memory chip, 50 GB include .......


It has been about 2 months prior to a USB stick with about 60GB before asked. I think it was Tracstore or so.



Antwort von Zizi:

Next year there are USB sticks with 128 GB!
64GB have long been on the market!
http://geizhals.at/eu/a360110.html ZBS.
The whole slices kake one anyway in the history books!
Scratches and handling alone are nothing progressive!



Antwort von felix24:

So there was already something similar with the audio CD. The Super Audio CD would still have a huge push s.Qualität placed, it remained a niche product, because most people do not hear so good (so good to hear you not only can, but learn synonymous) or not so much value on this quality.

When the video is now similar. Because many are with a regular DVD content. Sure, if you only one synonymous normal Television has enough synonymous and brings the advantage of Bluray nothing. Only when a man synonymous Television has what is synonymous of the Bluray. And as more and more to such change and Television these new high definition television has great find, it is synonymous to the need for high-resolution sources increase. Otherwise, the so everything does not make sense.

So I have already now a Samsung 37 Inch Television with Full HD Resolutionund could not wait, I finally get a Bluray player zuzulegen. Recently, it was as far as I have a Samsung 1400 for about 200 euros got. So much has synonymous in 2000 my first DVD player cost (400 USD). Only it was a shitty thing Noname with a lousy quality and the Samsung ... well, probably there are better. But he is still so good that I am umhaut. For even under

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mondial73/

To see video of the monitor photographed. Once in normal resolution and then the same film of Bluray.

I've already seen some Blurays, but none that do not meet expectations. The only problem is you get used to it quickly because it thinks there is nothing special. In that case, I see again and again, everything is already good.

For those who like movies and even synonymous which make the Bluray is the optimal medium. Sure it will eventually go online synonymous times. But I want a medium in our hands, which I link with the film and I can archive. I like the simple, if I do things on my shelf hab, just like my books. Since I'm probably old-fashioned.

But if I look at the Book Fair, how many people are interested in old-fashioned media, I believe that there is still hope for the Bluray there.

I find that the value of a film be forfeited if he is not fixed is stored somewhere, but only through the pipes roars. You can see it now synonymous. The people of the place to go to the movies or a DVD to buy, rather a miserable pirated copy from the Internet in stamps size look, but which is simply to engage with something to stun and not about the film. They know a good movie did not appreciate.

But if you prefer a well-presented Bluray holds in his hands, then you know this very well appreciated. Otherwise, there are soon out of Youtube and Big Brother TV or DSDS nothing more sophisticated and high-quality films belong to the past.

That is why I think of the eternal debate about the end of Bluray just here to Slashcam fairly little. I thought, here meet people who like movies and good movies are about as happy and perhaps want to entertain. Maybe yes but recognizes one or the other of the benefits of Bluray and just delighted that it was the first film almost as in the movies, but in any case in a Quailtät can experience the film justice, namely in high Resolutionund in the appropriate format (16:9 instead of huge thick bars, which hold some older DVDs still have ...).

So do not complain, but Carpe Diem!



Antwort von wolfgang:

"B. DeKid" wrote:
"wolfgang" wrote:
"Sometime" is perhaps anything is possible - would then realistically such a memory chip, 50 GB include .......


It has been about 2 months prior to a USB stick with about 60GB before asked. I think it was Tracstore or so.


Clearly yes, and what content providers will be prepared in such a medium without a copy to distribute high-quality content? So paranoid, as in Blu Ray and HD DVD synonymous been approached? None, I am afraid, accept something for high drama - and those are the only one with the Blu Ray to higher market penetrations can bring.



Antwort von reikel:

"wolfgang" wrote:

Clearly yes, and what content providers will be prepared in such a medium without a copy to distribute high-quality content? So paranoid, as in Blu Ray and HD DVD synonymous been approached? None, I am afraid, accept something for high drama - and those are the only one with the Blu Ray to higher market penetrations can bring.


This should be done anyway:








Antwort von wolfgang:

Modifies halt fact remains that the content industry of their conditions for the protection of the content will not deviate.



Antwort von weitwinkel:

BluRay makes for normal viewers but little meaningful
as long as the sender is not in hd (720p) Send ...
Reasons for BluRay are the original production (in 1080i / p 720p) or in the archive ...
synonymous if I strip alongside the now 75% of my video materials
have on disk, I could help me with pure p2/sxs/speicherkarten receptive (eg ex1 / 3, hmc151) an additional diskspeicherung imagine and
a double disk-storage prefer ...
(how long it stores your data so? zb. @ IKEGAMI pianist with your ...
GB collect and how much is because over the time to?)
gruß cj



Antwort von Daigoro:

"felix24" wrote:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mondial73/

To see video of the monitor photographed. Once in normal resolution and then the same film of Bluray.


These "run Norma solution" is not from the TV DVD recorder with'm recorded and then played again, right?

That is again a huge difference (to the bottom - 1st modest TV signal, 2 real-time conversion to MPG2) to purchase DVD.

The problem is not the DVD, but the TV signal, with the almost schwindsuechtigen data about the 'Aether' is sent. Even the satellite HD Programs hardly come on DVD data rates, which is even more efficient with h.264 encoding for the size of the image is not enough. Because we hold dear grabs 100 content and synonymous underdevelopped Channel purely technical, rather than to 20 high quality effects.



Antwort von Zizi:

Here's a comparison between blue-ray and DVD:
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDvsDVD.html

Quote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mondial73/

To see video of the monitor photographed. Once in normal resolution and then the same film of Bluray.

That is an imbecility ARTE film with a Blue-ray to compare!
A fair comparison is DVD and Blue-ray player in the same aufskaliert!
At the TV signal it just swarms of Fuzziness and Compression!



Antwort von reikel:

"Zizi" wrote:
Here's a comparison between blue-ray and DVD:
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDvsDVD.html

A fair comparison is DVD and Blue-ray player in the same aufskaliert!
At the TV signal it just swarms of Fuzziness and Compression!


So at my TV signal via DVB-S would be unfair synonymous: the satellite signal always looks significantly worse than in cases of DVD.

My subjective experience: on a 24 inch monitor is considered close to some more s.Details with a 1080p movie to see, from a distance no longer - HD makes sense for me only with a HD projector. even at 720p the picture looks much better - when did a BBC nature documentary the direct comparison made, and at 3x2m magnified louder one sees beautiful new image details.



Antwort von r.p.television:

So either I have an above average eyesight or have any other tomatoes on the eyes. I see the differences between Blu Ray and a DVD already much earlier than described in several studies. I must not be one meter in front of my full HD to make a difference to recognize.
A hochskalierte DVD shows a subjectively sharper picture - but without the image detail of a Blu Ray. The artifacts on a DVD are huge against the more natural-looking motion blur a Blu Ray (or HD-DVD synonymous).
I found the picture of a DVD has always been totally unsatisfactory. Films with ratio of 2.35: 1 were still, because the black bars is advantageous for the low data rate prove. 16:9 films suffer s.Farbflächenartefakten and very fuzzy picture.
Even hand-movies on the DVD are catastrophic. I found on SD Times the loss of quality compared to DV CAM inakzepptabel already.
I think it would be a pity if the Blu Ray dies. Surely you can synonymous of the hard drive watch movies. But I find a disc in a cool cover on the shelf value.
And then this bad DVD releases in the 4:3-letterbox procedures were authort. The Blu-Ray would give us of this old crap redeem because no producer allocated just old tapes as a master transmitter can use.
The majority might find it cool stuff from the Internet and download YouTube quality to suffer. But the majority kuckt synonymous DSDS or programs, such as driving on the middle lane of the highway.



Antwort von Daigoro:

"rptelevision" wrote:
So either I have an above average eyesight or have any other tomatoes on the eyes. I see the differences between Blu Ray and a DVD already much earlier than described in several studies.


As followers of the radical constructivism theory anyway I mean, we see exactly what we want to see.
At the moment * * I see mainly the price difference between the good old DVD (flea market: 1, - / piece for example) and the new discs (nix flea market and even in the bay from second-hand still much too expensive), the Early me happy Adopting letting (especially if you are already a few thousand Euros in infrastructure and similar - only it's reversed so garkeinen sense with BluRay Television begin to PAL).

The mass market, and the clever men should actually know you erobrt especially about the price, less about paying extra for premium quality or features.



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Rptelevision

All right, just BluRay is just a monopoly ... and as with all monopolies is extremely overpriced.
This is synonymous to the reason why so many Manufacturer (zBApple) BluRay not support law and with the (gag-like) license requirements complain.
I think we must distinguish between the quality of the medium and the medium itself and to distinguish one now that some media to the "con men" belong .... so far would not it be a shame if another high-quality medium BluRay synonymous replace.
Whether the SD card it would be chosen .. is something we will, because if the license fees now to Japan or go to Canada, in the end is pretty no preference.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
All right, just BluRay is just a monopoly ... and as with all monopolies is extremely overpriced.
This is synonymous to the reason why so many Manufacturer (zBApple) BluRay not support law and with the (gag-like) license requirements complain.
I think we must distinguish between the quality of the medium and the medium itself and to distinguish one now that some media to the "con men" belong .... so far would not it be a shame if another high-quality medium BluRay synonymous replace.
Whether the SD card it would be chosen .. is something we will, because if the license fees now to Japan or go to Canada, in the end is pretty no preference.

True words! ;-)
I buy myself a movie not because of quality but because of the content!
And on my HD-DVD player or PS3 to see many bad DVD's hardly like some Bluerays! And I have a 120cm FullHD not sit 2 meters times before!
As long as prices do not go below 10-15 ¬ is the Blue-ray for me more than the death of 4 ¬ HD-DVD at Amazon!
Prefer a stick or an SD card art in the hull instead of the wheels Miess zerkratzbaren the 70 years since we entered the history books are!
That the partially synonymous still 40 ¬ cost vertärkt my attitude only .. Money to get even 32GB USB sticks!








Antwort von r.p.television:

"WoWu" wrote:
@ Rptelevision

All right, just BluRay is just a monopoly ... and as with all monopolies is extremely overpriced.
This is synonymous to the reason why so many Manufacturer (zBApple) BluRay not support law and with the (gag-like) license requirements complain.


I taste the current prices are not quite synonymous. But remember, we look s.die beginning of the DVD. It's simple slices synonymous DM 60. And when you're a little cautious (eg, the films in the Amazon shopping cart and submit the prices are observed daily) you get a lot of movies already for 15 Euro. I really do not buy the film more than it cost 25 euros. And I now have over 50 Blu Rays. Sure, I would be glad if I Blu Rays synonymous for 12 euros to acquire. And the time would come still synonymous, the market would depend on the quality-oriented buyers rather than those who perhaps were too stupid to illegally download the movie.
And if in future high-resolution movies on an SD Card will be disseminated - is all right to me - as long as the quality is not once again on the wayside.

The Apple is a new technology is nothing new denied. Even if the brand is happy there, they are innovative but often a few steps behind.

One flea market prices can not compare with Neuwarenpreisen. I sell many DVDs now synonymous in the bay and most films hardly reach 3 euros as sales prices (except films with George Clooney and Brad Pitt - because the old windows are some women probably still worth more). The Blu Ray bebrauchte very valuable and are stable at the moment with one or two euro-loss selling can be used, I see more as a positive for the medium. Stability is synonymous but one criterion.
I believe in waiting time could be something the Blu Ray is still a valuable media makers develop - less for their hand-videographers want to archive movies - but just as with the DVD for the film in addition to the technical quality but content is important.



Antwort von Green_Hornet:

As long as you do not rip BluRay and (largely without loss) copy / burn can, it will not run on BluRay give.

Even though I am quite a movie fan bin, his DVD collection on the shelves and maintains order, I find the prices for BluRays simply too high. I would not buy BluRay without knowing the film is worth the money. And when I saw the movie, then I need no ¬ 35 for a BluRay spend more just to him to be archived.

Either purchase BluRays be as cheap as DVDs. Or you can BluRays (legal or illegal) copy.
Otherwise, a large proportion of the less demanding film gazers in a few years on all-inclusive offers streaming from the Internet to change. Then BluRay remain in effect, a niche product.

Viele Grüße, Jan



Antwort von Daigoro:

"rptelevision" wrote:

One flea market prices can not compare with Neuwarenpreisen.


Since DVDs (when properly used of course) show virtually no wear, are used 'as new'.
With ample supply (which it currently exists), they are in direct competition with brand-welded HD discs.
Had the boys of the Alliance BluRay perhaps synonymous happy otherwise, but is holding it.
Again, one conquers Massenmaerkte about the price!



Antwort von Green_Hornet:

Quote:
Again, one conquers Massenmaerkte about the price!


Or about new possibilities. How was the copy of the VHS porn very helped (Must be synonymous but times may be saying, is not it?).
;-)

Greetings, jan



Antwort von Dagonator:

Probably in the near future of flash memory on the Durchmarsch. If the amount of data and the next rising prices to fall, I see flash memory as the new number 1



Antwort von WoWu:

Fairly tedious format with its file structure ... sets each time a host Calculator advance in order to be played .. may be synonymous with the requirements s.das formats no longer significant increase, otherwise, we have 2,4 or 8 cards run in parallel ... quite impractical.
Na, mal sehn ... probably remains s.wieder no change.



Antwort von Mac4ever1950:

The feel is not serious, with almost twice the price compared to the DVD movie version of the mass market. Realistically, would be a surcharge of about 25%.

The price of the player hardly plays a role.

But if the film industry who believe the moon s.Markt such prices if need be, they may like to use their high-blockbusters remain seated.



Antwort von PowerMac:

"felix24" wrote:
(...) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mondial73/

To see video of the monitor photographed. Once in normal resolution and then the same film of Bluray. !


Quality of your tests, you can not take seriously. You compare:

s.TV recordings of digital satellite on a DVD recorder recorded

with

b) a BlueRay.

Reason: s.wurde with bad data is sent, perhaps only for TV's moderately sampled (in Comparison to purchase DVD or BluRay) and transcoded to your self-burned DVD.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Quality of your tests, you can not take seriously. You compare:

s.TV recordings of digital satellite on a DVD recorder recorded

with

b) a BlueRay.

Reason: s.wurde with bad data is sent, perhaps only for TV's moderately sampled (in Comparison to purchase DVD or BluRay) and transcoded to your self-burned DVD.

as isses .. That would be the same so you would a radio station with an audio CD to compare! Absurt!
I've heard a lot of movies on television even in 320x240 as it is sent by the different management often garned is possible! ?
Is that so?

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Antwort von AndyZZ:

@ Zizi
Do not think once would suffice?



Antwort von Zizi:

oje .. what's happened to me?
But I can no longer delete ;-(
Somehow I come with the forum software can not cope with
I complained .. Data card.



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"WoWu" wrote:
All right, just BluRay is just a monopoly

Since go again confused the terms.

A monopoly is what Apple in MacOS-compatible computers has, Microsoft has the Windows monopoly and with this also requires the PC market dominance. From all that can Blu-ray out of the question.
All major consumer electronics manufacturer except Toshiba have agreed to this format - after it was ten years ago when the recordable DVDs known + /-RAM was chaos with the result that everyone pays any licenses, None is happy and the customers it no longer look . (Older remember here is perhaps synonymous nor s.VHS and Betamax.)
"WoWu" wrote:
... and as with all monopolies is extremely overpriced.

The initial competition from the HD-DVD, the Blu-ray device prices down very quickly pressed. Where do you live? Currently in Germany there's Blu-ray burner for 120 Euro (incl. VAT). DVD Burners have long been more expensive.
"WoWu" wrote:
This is synonymous to the reason why so many Manufacturer (zBApple) do not support BluRay

This is rather Stefan stupidity of work. But Apple has so much too long synonymous its customers + DVDs deprived ...

"WoWu" wrote:
law and with the (gag-like) license requirements complain.

Source? That



Antwort von WoWu:

Na, Quadruplex, if you define monopoly so pedantic want, then tell me but trying the product of competition (competition technology), which is currently against Blu-ray compete?

Quote:

Currently in Germany there's Blu-ray burner for 120 euros ...


Did you synonymous times the current prices of a DVD burner and perhaps synonymous times the price compared to the medium?
Or do you imagine the burner out without him to use?
Smart aleck, Polaroid cameras gave its synonymous away ....

And what the prices or the licensing costs for authoring tools are concerned, I think $ 50,000 + $ 10,000 Support for small firms quite properly. Thus, many small "shops" from the store. As far as relating to "expensive".

So, my dear, first read, then think and then post.



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"WoWu" wrote:
then tell me but trying the product of competition (competition technology), which is currently against Blu-ray compete?

Oh, Mr. Wunderlich! Must we explain everything to you? If you really do not understand to make it clear that media in this type of competition leads to no format prevails?
The competition has taken place in advance and has indeed led to the Blu-ray nachgelegt have industrious people. The slices should initially only MPEG-2 that may contain (by the way, just in HDTV format 1920 x 1080, even the HDV Resolution1440 x 1080 did not come until later in the standard), by the pressures of HD-DVD went suddenly synonymous VC-1 and H.264.
"WoWu" wrote:
Did you synonymous times the current prices of a DVD burner and perhaps synonymous times the price compared to the medium?

Mr. Wunderlich! Please! Ausentwickelt DVD, Blu-ray as the recording medium is still in its infancy. Let us take a realistic Comparison: Five years ago (since the DVD was already synonymous eight years old) has a Pioneer-DVD-Burners 300 Euro
Pioneer-DVD-Burners 300 Euro
And what the prices or Pioneer-DVD-Burners 300 Euro Pioneer-DVD-Burners 300 Euro

We are here in a forum for videographers. As she alternately magazines
Käuflichkeit"gossip press" in place, you missed that Endandwender p.100 Euro usable Software zum Erstellen of Blu-ray-Discs
Wer professionell arbeitet, steckt die of Ihnen genannten Kosten locker weg. Und falls die Kleinauflage vom PC nicht reicht: Kunden, die Ihren Film auf Blu-ray haben wollen, müssen ja nicht die Software kaufen, sondern können sich s.ein Authoringhaus wenden.
Software zum Erstellen of Blu-ray-Discs
Wer professionell arbeitet, steckt die of Ihnen genannten Kosten locker weg. Und falls die Kleinauflage vom PC nicht reicht: Kunden, die Ihren Film auf Blu-ray haben wollen, müssen ja nicht die Software kaufen, sondern können sich s.ein Authoringhaus wenden.
Software zum Erstellen of Blu-ray-Discs
Wer professionell arbeitet, steckt die of Ihnen genannten Kosten locker weg. Und falls die Kleinauflage vom PC nicht reicht: Kunden, die Ihren Film auf Blu-ray haben wollen, müssen ja nicht die Software kaufen, sondern können sich s.ein Authoringhaus wenden.

Just keep yourself tuned --




Antwort von Zizi:

Blue-ray is fully soweiso scheiße!
As long as the DVD, the blue rings no longer exist!
Flash is the future!
Blue-ray is only an interim solution until dei flash production attracts and the falling prices.



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Zizi" wrote:
Blue-ray is fully soweiso scheiße!

What have you made since? If you like hier
hier hier

Schon mal dran thought that synonymous with Blu-ray (not blue-ray!) Could fall? And perhaps ever considered that optical media, even if the production runs, second to none are cheap to produce? If only one piece placed in the form of plastic - so Flash will never trivial to produce ...

Good possible that Flash or other media in the future for short runs and indivduelle data are affordable. (Still, this is for Flash but not on a filesystem understanding that more than 32 GB can manage. The time is at 32 GB conclusions. On Blu-ray fit 50 GB.) In the case of bulk requirements (which include the majority of films) include any cents - so quickly, we will not get rid of the discs.




Antwort von Zizi:

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Good possible that Flash or other media in the future for short runs and indivduelle data are affordable. (Still, this is for Flash but not on a filesystem understanding that more than 32 GB can manage. The time is at 32 GB conclusions. On Blu-ray fit 50 GB.) In the case of bulk requirements (which include the majority of films) include any cents - so quickly, we will not get rid of the discs.

Da geb ich dir quite ..
But not for much longer then it will be synonymous for Industire equally profitable a movie on the map to copy instead of wheels!
Dan goes to movies like Game Boy games and not always on the aufpasserei scratches etc.!
I think rather it is the pirates are there with the Blue-ray harder than with SD cards, etc.!
Indeed, in extreme mass produced would be the HD movies on a map
little expensive if not cheaper just missing a good copy.
(you sooner or later anyway knakt)
In addition to a Blue-ray of my knowledge there are no single film of the full use of 50GB!
probably not even full 20GB?



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Zizi

Gib's on, because you get only Schmarn ....








Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Zizi" wrote:
But not for much longer then it will be synonymous for Industire equally profitable a movie on the map to copy instead of wheels!

The cost of the medium is almost impossible - the optical disc is after all what you can look over, always cheaper. What can happen is that the total costs are more favorable for flash - the cards are much smaller than 'ne BD, that is cheaper to pack and transport.
"Zizi" wrote:
I think rather it is the pirates are there with the Blue-ray harder than with SD cards, etc.!

I'm on the field no expert - but the Blu-ray copy protection is geknackt.
geknackt. geknackt.

See above - no, and: You do not know.
geknackt.
geknackt. geknackt.

You wrong. Look at once, for example,
hier
hier
hier

Mr. hier
Wunderlich! After nearly four weeks is still not the



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"felix24" wrote:
So there was already something similar with the audio CD. The Super Audio CD would still have a huge push s.Qualität placed, it remained a niche product, because most people do not hear so well

Because what is it - but the main problem was another: There was still a rival format, DVD-Audio. The manufacturer has, unlike the CD, not on a system can agree. And the music people were not savvy that they choose one of the systems would have to decide. (So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)
"Felix24" wrote:
(So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)
or not so much value on this quality.
(So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)

That has always been so. Whether olles vinyl, CD or SA-CD: All the media can be found in grauslichster quality on a portable radio or perfection on a high-end investment play.
(So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)
"felix24" wrote:
(So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)
For those who like movies and even synonymous which make the Bluray is the optimal medium. Sure it will eventually go online synonymous times. But I want a medium in our hands, which I link with the film and I can archive.
(So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)

True ...
(So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)
"felix24" wrote:
(So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)
That is why I think of the eternal debate about the end of Bluray just here to Slashcam fairly little.
(So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)

Elsewhere makes this debate is not better. Of course, new forms of distribution are added. But they complement existing media types and they do not solve.

And of course, it is the first with the BDs as with the first DVDs (CDs synonymous, incidentally): Not always stand at the start of a medium optimal master ready - what in the first year of the DVD starts s.Schrott pressed on disc, it (So viel, Herr Wunderlich, relating to: Konkurrenz bei Discformaten and Monopol.)
was really pathetic . Who mal 'ne well-mastered Blu-ray on' nem FullHD good plasma TV has seen, no longer wants after watching DVD. And now there is in the net and in magazines enough ways to get before the purchase of a disc on their technical quality to inform. The discs, which actually does not look better than the DVD versions, allows you on the shelf ...




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