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Sound editing in Premiere Elements



Frage von frisb:
Januar 2009

Hi,

following problem:

I take a video with two audio tracks directly on the camcorder. On the left hand lane is Atmo with micro and kidney on the right track an interview with radio link.

Now I would like element in the two tracks individually edit. I want to be quieter atmosphere, when the protagonist says something and the protagonist (who is right) is in the stereo field is slightly right - but not fully on the right track, as I've recorded.

So far I have only found a solution, which in my eyes more of a cumbersome workaround is:

Stereo soundtrack copy
Then BEHIND the existing soundtrack paste (or overwrites the existing soundtrack always s.der body s.der the cursor is).
Then there is the soundtrack to a free copy and soundtrack to the beginning of the existing soundtrack draw.
Then, on the one Soundtrack Audio Effect "fill left" and apply on the other soundtrack "fill right" use.

Now I have two mono built separately and can edit and balance, so to speak, as a panorama-use controls.

Now finally the question:
Because there is nothing simpler? It can not be thought so.
Neither the instructions, nor Google, nor my sense have a good idea ausgespuckt ...

... or do I have to factor demands?

Is this then at least in the Pro version easily? Then at least I now know why it cost a bit more.

Perhaps there are indeed a sound expert.

I look forward to instructions on how to do that with other software simply hinkriegt. Because this is for me a very basic feature.

Thank you and many greetings
Frisb



Antwort von beiti:

I can only tell you how it works in Edius Neo:

1) I copy the soundtrack of the video file to a soundtrack including free, and by simply dragging while holding down the Ctrl button. (The so-called ripple-mode must be switched off, otherwise the video track will be moved.)
2) I agree with both audio tracks into the properties menu (Alt + Enter) and make audio information at a track for the "mono 1", on the other lane "mono 2".
3) I prefer the Effect Panorama & Balance "on the track, which sound out of the center should be placed. The balance control determines the position I am.

So is a little faster than your method in Premiere Elements, but still cumbersome. Professional Programs provide for the possibility that either the left or right lane as a mono audio source to use (you can start already in the Bin window for each clip set). A simultaneous use of both as separate mono tracks but it is not foreseen. This applies to all Programs, I know.
Also the possibility, at least copied the soundtrack with the video link and so to keep auto synchronously, there is unfortunately not. If after the sound was still s.Schnitt changes, one must take care.

Therefore, I would totally save Step 3. Also in Movies Dialogton comes to 99% from the center box, no preference in the picture where the person stands. Only for special purposes, the soft sound mixing times of this rule (eg if someone outside of the image of something calls).



Antwort von frisb:

Hi beiti,

thank you for your reply at night :-)

Quote:
A simultaneous use of both as separate mono tracks but it is not foreseen. This applies to all Programs, I know.


But for the professional versions, but will hopefully have it? How is that for Premiere Pro?

Quote:
Also the possibility, at least copied the soundtrack with the video link and so to keep auto synchronously, there is unfortunately not. If after the sound was still s.Schnitt changes, one must take care.


Uff - synonymous here I thought that would be a standard.
These are all claims not lifted. Is the topic really sound so poor in the programs or cut because there are not yet available?
Who knows yet and the Council gives me the illusion of being stolen back, at least in the realm of cutting programs, there is software that is really synonymous to provide required functionality?

Thank you and many greetings
Frisb





Antwort von beiti:

The discussion about several synchronous soundtracks was already synonymous in connection with the Canon XL1 (and its successors), whereas, because so yes four tracks at the same time can hold. There were, as far as I remember, only a single editing program, all four lanes could handle properly. (Please do not ask me what it was.) With all the other (synonymous professional programs) you had the two additional tracks extra import and manual shift.



Antwort von Jollitop:

When it comes to the simpler cutting several tracks at once is, I would be Premiere Pro to use an additional sequence, but in a complete synchronous version of a section is located, and which I then in my "master sequence" according to my ideas cut.

Bzgl. Problems with your item, it is unfortunately the case that the insertion, deletion and moving of content on track very (!) Strange effects may result. Here is Premiere Pro just professional and not make this mistake.

But otherwise, I knew in PPro synonymous no other way, the two traces of a separate stereo tracks to edit, as you have declared.



Antwort von frisb:

Thank you for your further instructions!

Quote:
There were, as far as I remember, only a single editing program, all four lanes could handle properly.


So demanding, I am still not even. Yes I will "only" the two tracks of a stereo recording process separately (s.besten than two mono tracks) and then placed in the room - and without a hand stand to make.

Quote:
Bzgl. Problems with your item, it is unfortunately the case that the insertion, deletion and moving of content on track very (!) Strange effects may result.


Huch - because what can happen? Currently, I am still spared ...

Quote:
But otherwise, I knew in PPro synonymous no other way, the two traces of a separate stereo tracks to edit, as you have declared.


That brings me now to really be amazed.
It is a fairly common thing, that man with two different microphones two different recording tracks and then later into a harmonious mix Gesamtton want.

This must be in a Pro (fi)-described the software without detours possible. Am I now so aloof as entitlements?

How are you doing all? Take your only on Mono? Or only with a stereo-Micro? Is here somebody who takes up with two microphones and the two tracks then easily mix?

Or do you use for such things audio software? Geht sowas Booth with sound?

Many greetings
Frisb



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
Yes I will "only" the two tracks of a stereo recording process separately (s.besten than two mono tracks) and then place in space
To do this you will always only two distinct traces of it have to do, no preference in what editing program.

Quote:
It is a fairly common thing, that man with two different microphones two different recording tracks and then later into a harmonious mix Gesamtton want.
Your idea of a canal to the atmosphere and on the other channel to Language, and is not usually synonymous not customary. Most filmmakers are happy if they get it properly Language and mix it again with no malicious Atmo.
If you only liable to mix, then with the recorded separately, in stereo Atmo continuous, so that in spite of mono-dialogue recording the stereo pan and gets filled any longer sounds in the atmosphere when not cut off. But then we speak of really complex mixtures of Dialogton, Atmo different levels, synchronous sound, etc. Then it comes to a step more or less irrelevant.
Even in such a professional mix you would not from the language of the stereo-center shift. Go to the Movies and mal drauf eighth, as it is made.

What times more likely to occur, the mixing of two microphones dialogue: So, for example, insert two lavalier microphones s.and takes every sound on a channel on. Then you can decide if you just mixed 1:1 (that goes with a mono-filter), or whether the traces back to two lanes and spread out-and herblendet (we have again the situation with the various tracks, but it is easier in this case never).

Quote:
Is here somebody who takes up with two microphones and the two tracks then easily mix?
I have already done something, but it was never easy.

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Or do you use for such things audio software?
You mean that the export to work with the audio software and then imported into the editing program requires fewer steps?



Antwort von zaubermaus:

Perhaps you ask s.MAGIX times-board.
The audio features in VDL are quite extensive.



Antwort von Wiro:

"frisb" wrote:
Yes I will "only" the two tracks of a stereo recording process separately (s.besten than two mono tracks)

Hello,
Pro is at it this way:
Clip> Audio Options> Split on Mono.
There are 2 mono audio clips, with the left and right are labeled.
This from the project window into the timeline, drag - for a stereo project will be - if not already available - autom. 2 additional mono created, which was separated by edit and pan control as hinmischen can, where you want.

One must always be the first stereo track into 2 mono split. In the timeline, simply click on the clip and "2x Mono mach it" does not work.

Whether this element is I do not know.
Greeting Wiro




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