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DV500 NTSC
FCP and broadcast output: legal black
How to create "snow" on DV?
Re transfer 50mbps-DV (SDTI)
Tape brands/mosaics/drop-out
Thanks Adam Wilt-Questions
transfer 50mbps-DV (SDTI) - (2) - (3)
what should i charge for a pro
Wilt's DV codec comparison
XL-1 vs. VX-2000 not!


DV500 NTSC - Adam Wilt


> Premiere that the timecode is NDF. I was wondering if the Pinnacle
> had the same problem in NTSC where it matters.
From this I infer you're working in PAL? PAL is always NDF; there is no drop
frame in PAL. It does make it hard to test the DF/NDF settings whern there
ain't none... ;-)
Cheers,
Adam Wilt



FCP and broadcast output: legal black - Adam Wilt


> Does FCP have a setting that allows us to output in broadcast legal
> black (7.5 IRE) automatically even though some of the elements in the
> video has illegal black?
If you mean the usual 0 IRE blacks you get out of a DV camcorder, that's a
function of the analog setup -- playing the same tape out of a high-end DVCAM
or DVCPRO deck will give you 7.5 IRE setup.
You can always "add setup" in rendering, but then you have a nonstandard black
level in the digital data (around Y=32 instead of Y=16).
> Like in Digisuite, everything outputted can be automatically adjusted
> to legal.
Using FireWire, FCP has no "legalize" function for black (you can "legalize"
white by setting the rendering option to "white" instead of "super-white"). I
don't know what the options are with the Digital Voodoo, Targa 2000, CineWave,
or the like -- as with DigiSuite, real time legalization (and adding of setup)
is best left to the transcodong hardware.


How to create "snow" on DV? - Adam Wilt


Is there any way to create this in Premiere, which is what I'm using to
> edit?
Yes; I've done this. Using the Filter Factory (or whatever it's called; been
awhile since I did this), define a filter that sets the G value to a random
number for each pixel, R=G, and B=G. This'll give you monochrome snow; use
separate random number values for RG&B if you want colored snow.
Or get fancy: add a gain slider and a base-level gray setting.
All in all, shouldn'd take too long.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt



Re transfer 50mbps-DV (SDTI) - Adam Wilt


Does someone know how to transfer 50mbps DV signal into a PC. I know
> that firewire is the 25mbps version. What I have so far is a SDI input.
If you want to transfer the compressed DV50 signal, the only way most
manufacturers currently support it is over SDTI using a studio deck with 2x
output. Matrox makes an SDTI card for the DigiSuite line, for example.
It's unfortunate that one has to go to all that expense. FireWire/1394 is
perfectly capable of handling DV50 (as well as uncompressed and even HDCAM),
but so far no one other than Omneon Video Networks (disclaimer: day job) is
using 1394 in this way.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt



Tape brands/mosaics/drop-out - "Perry"


staale sandberg
>i've heard a rumour circulating here in norway that the sony tapes have a
special coating added on in the finish, making it a "wet" tape, whereas all
other brands do not, making them "dry" tapes. the story goes that when
interchanging sony tapes with other brands, some drop-out may happen as some
of the sony coating is left on the heads and transferred when recording on
another tape brand.<
The first thing to understand is that tape 'engineering' is mostly a mixture
of economics and black magic, and VERY FEW people REALLY understand how it
works or rather not works, given the wrong conditions! (that includes me)
However, what you've heard is a travesty of the truth!
All tape needs a lubricant to avoid unacceptable head wear, and this is
particularly true of metal tapes. There are two forms: Metal Evaporated(ME)
and Metal Particle(MP). All DV tape is ME, DVCPRO is MP. MP tape has
natural 'pores' that can retain the lubricant, but ME tape is effectively
solid metal and therefore naturally has the lubricant sitting on the surface
where it is more likely to be scraped off. I think to call it wet or dry is
to over simplify matters because we are talking about microscopic conditions
here.
Any residue left on the heads is not in itself a problem. In the early days
of DV, the residues left by the Sony and Panasonic tapes (the only
manufacturers then) reacted together and caused excessive drop-out. One or
both of them then changed the formulation and the problem has supposedly
gone away. It is still probably good practice to stick with one brand, and
to clean the transport with a cleaning tape if you do change.
There is all sorts of mumbo jumbo marketing spiel about tape. The
recommended practice from the professionals is to find something that works
for you and to stick with it.
Perry Mitchell
Video Facilities
http://www.perrybits.co.uk/



Thanks Adam Wilt-Questions - Adam Wilt


First how is QT 4.1.2 incompatible with DVPlus 3.1?
I don't know what DV Plus 3.1 is. I've only seen DV Plus (DV Toolkit Init)
with version numbers up to 3.01.
> I thought DV plus is incompatilbe with FCP 1.2.5.
I had heard that it was 4.1.2 that broke DVTK 3.0, not FCP 1.2.5, but you
might be right. I know that when I tested FCP 1.2.5/QT4.1.2 with DVTK 3.0, the
renderings were srambled in amusing but not especially useful ways.
> I've used the DVPlus codec with QT 4.1.2 with FCP 1.2, Commotion 3
> and After Effects 4.1, although not extensively....
What version and what modification date does your copy of DV Toolkit Init show
when you do a Get Info on it?
> Also you mentioned compressing non-filtered text with a DV codec will
> look bad. What do you mean by non-filtered and can you give me some
> examples of filtered text? Do you mean something like applying a slight
> blur fiter to the text?
Yes, a bit of a blur helps. See http://www.adamwilt.com/Tidbits.html#codec for
more details.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt



transfer 50mbps-DV (SDTI) - "Perry"


Jens Michaelsen posted:
>Think I would need to desribe my idea a little bit more.
So far we build M-JPEG based HD recording systems.
This machines have analog and SDI interfaces, so far all
data has to go through a the codec. With a redesigned
board it is possible to route the raw incomming SDI data
to harddisk. This brings the possibilty to transport any
data via SDI/SDTI.
For example comming from a D-9, DVCPRO, <
SDI was initially developed by Sony (primarily a chip set) to allow
simplification of system wiring. Previously digital data was carried by
parallel interfaces which were difficult to switch and subject to timing
errors on long runs. SDI uses industry standard video cables (subject to
certain restrictions) that can carry the 270Mb/s signal over 100+m lengths
without problems. SDI also allows use of switchers and routers that would
have been uneconomic with parallel interfaces.
SDTI uses the same idea (digital multiplexing) to carry the compressed video
data of the various digital formats that allow this, which is to say all but
Digital Betacam. They used to have their own names, but a conference last
year united them all under the SDTI (previously Panasonic) name.
AFAIK there is no advantage to using SDI/SDTI protocol other than to
transport the data between machines. I'm therefore struggling a bit to see
what Jens is trying to achieve?
Perry Mitchell
Video Facilities
http://www.perrybits.co.uk/



transfer 50mbps-DV (SDTI) - "Perry"


Jens posted:
>My idea is to go around the the decoder and
encoder pair and lay down the compressed data
directly, like done using firewire.<
Jens: that is exactly what SDTI does! The SDTI output of say a DVCPRO
machine has the compressed video data, and the same with DVCAM, D9 and
BetacamSX. The SDI output is converted back to uncompressed video ('601)
and it is common to have both SDTI and SDI available on a machine to give
you the choice. You can only use the SDTI when transferring between similar
machines of course (ie same codec) but in this regard DVCPRO50 and D9
(DigitalS) are the same.
Perry Mitchell
Video Facilities
http://www.perrybits.co.uk/



transfer 50mbps-DV (SDTI) - "Perry"


Further to what Dave Haynie said re Tom's curious post:
25Mb/s is EXACTLY 3.125MB/s. As I previously explained for DV, 25Mb/s is
only the video content, so the difference between 3.125MB/s and approx
3.7MB/s is the audio and other data.
Perry Mitchell
Video Facilities
http://www.perrybits.co.uk/



what should i charge for a pro - "Perry"


Depends 100% on whether this is a competitive scenario! If it is not, I
would recommend asking him to suggest a budget he is comfortable with, and
then suggest to him what he would get for that. If it is tight, make sure
he realises up front that maybe he has to leave something out. Allow for
contingencies and obviously make sure you cover your costs and expenses, pay
for your time, and hopefully make a reasonable profit!
Perry Mitchell
Video Facilities
http://www.perrybits.co.uk/



Wilt's DV codec comparison - Adam Wilt


Is QT5 compatible with DV Plus files? Can DV Plus rendered files be
> played back correctly under QT 5? Thanx. -Al
Yes, QT 5 files play back using DV Plus and vice versa. No compatibility
problems as far as that goes.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt



XL-1 vs. VX-2000 not! - Adam Wilt


Doesn't VX2k have an adjustable shutter speed like VX1k?
Yes.
> My VX1k can be set to 30 or lower which looks similar to frame mode.
> Isn't this similar to XL-1's frame mode? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The VX1k and VX2k line-double a 1/30 sec field image in 1/30 mode, whereas the
XL1 produces a 1/60 sec "vertical pixel shifted" full frame 30 times a second.
The Sonys thus show a marked loss of vertical resolution and more motion blur
than the XL1 does in Frame Movie Mode.
Cheers,
Adam Wilt




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