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3D - Ein Anfang?

3D - A Beginning?



Frage von Lutz Dieckmann:
Januar 2010

Hi,

I'd like to start a discussion going. I've recently dealt with 3D for the first time and am absolutely thrilled. I will soon be the absolutely try it.
As you see it? Is this an issue for you? Plant yourself in order to employ her, and perhaps time to make a movie in 3D? Buy a 3D monitor? If so, what type, shutter or Pol? What do you think of the topic in general? Is it right to the hype on which it is currently being done?

Many questions, I know. But I would like to discuss.

Regards

Lutz



Antwort von r.p.television:

I can see the 3D technology from a little skeptical. Not that I had not been impressed with the images synonymous.
On the other hand I do not see the necessity of 3D technology to tell a story. Rather, I see a danger that it will now be a lot more films in which action is attempted cover up with a lack of spatial depth.
Good stories do not need 3D.
Certainly a good action film will be able to take advantage of 3D. Personally, I can go on well in 2D and himself would not want to produce synonymous in 3D. Too many parameters the fluid spoke against a workflow.



Antwort von shodushitanaka:

Yesterday I flown at Avatar "" True Trip and definitely a start, I looked around me, around grinning bespectacled: "They have already swallowed all the red pill." Not stopping more.
The PS3 will already be updated soon be synonymous to 3D, missing only the TV's;)
3D is here and tremendous fun.
But on "Good stories do not need a 3D" I'm with you.








Antwort von Alf_300:

Every few years a new 3d try ....

On this occasion reminds me of the Todd-AO process.
If I liked annudazumal



Antwort von Axel:

The P + S box for two (for example) EX-3 (the cameras must obviously have genlock), I have looked at times. Hand-held camera? No..

That was always the case in Avatar: The picture was always unstable, and there were even small zoom lens (which is the 3D theory behind a zoom?).

Because the eye of the camera or the camera's not how a person may squint, so the plane is generated outside the focus of any double images, a great effort is necessary. Moreover, this issue shows how artificial is actually 3D.

A 3D, which is subtracted in the postpro from 2D material may I introduce myself (in the designation is well with the concept of virtual 3D games. Yes, it exists) has a company with a similar name, Thirtual or something like that. Just as surround sound from mono several events will be calculated and only a feeling of space is created, for example, no precise location of every single car in traffic.

The separation of foreground and background (and thousand other "events") was given almost continuously even when avatar.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Lutz Dieckmann" wrote:
Buy a 3D monitor? If so, what type, shutter or Pol?


There are no pole-3D monitor when there's that were probably synonymous 3D long in the living room. 3D is s.Television but eh jabber 3D only makes sense s.einer certain size or just with HMDs.

MB



Antwort von domain:

It's in 3-D yes s.The to move closer reality.
In SW-silent films, it is given well s.wenigsten. Yet s.besten in the 4-D cinema with surround sound realized, where the audience may take up hydraulically moving rows of seats and space to be shaken up very much like a sophisticated flight simulator. I do everything but still far too little.
I would like to have wind machines and aroma generator in movies ;-))
Yes, the 6-D movies to be worked towards.



Antwort von Jott:

Fragrance Cinema's already there: Smell-O-Vision, Odorama ...



Antwort von MacPro:

"Marc Ballhaus" wrote:

There are no pole-3D Monitor


Hyundai W220S



Antwort von klaas:

Quote:
There are no pole-3D monitor when there's that were probably synonymous 3D long in the living room. 3D is s.Television but eh jabber 3D only makes sense s.einer certain size or just with HMDs.


We nen JVC 3D monitor (46 "). With pole technique.
Is sexier than our movies with Dolby 3-D ...
And the viewing angle dependence is not a problem. Echt an incredibly crisp picture!

Regards,
Klaas



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

In America, there were 3d Movies with water, wind and moving rows of chairs 15 years ago ... And although the epcot center.
But without the smell!

Best regards,


Constantin



Antwort von domain:

1. Stereoscopic information for the spatial depth
Basic information that we perceive three-dimensional environment and
that we can make fine distinctions about geographical distances



It is sometimes overlooked that in addition to the stereoscopic perception nor are several other factors that contribute to spatial vision, this time only the three other most important:


2. Oculomotor information for the spatial depth
They are derived from human capacity, the position of convergence and the accommodation of the eye to evaluate


3. Monekulare information for the spatial depth
those spatial information that can be drawn from the structure in a stationary picture (eg, see photo)


4. Motion-information for the spatial depth
formed together with the motion of the observer or the movement of objects in the environment


Item 2, of course, is currently flat.
Point 3 and 4 but not synonymous to play 3-D movies a significant role, so that a true stereoscopic display is often not required.
Camera dollies and cranes indeed exist primarily to serve Item 4, which can occur even s.sich a good spatial impression.

Point 3 above, perhaps even an explanation. An old basic rule of spatial depth of achievement in landscape photos is yes, that one should integrate into the foreground as grass or leaves in the Picture. Once the size of leaves in the brain is approximately known, is interpreted as a reference size their proximity or distance. Can be increased even more the impression around, if the foreground objects are mapped somewhat blurred.








Antwort von B.DeKid:

I wish me a Theatermit modified "Catwalk"

and so a technique
http://www.eyeliner3d.com/musion_eyeliner_showreels.html

....

But that's what I've already written a dozen times here.

What was said concerning whether domain moving seats thus actually effects simulators such as amusement parks or game halls, I perso-keeping synonymous. very good.

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von Lutz Dieckmann:

There are no pole-3D monitor when there's that were probably synonymous 3D long in the living room. 3D is s.Television but eh jabber 3D only makes sense s.einer certain size or just with HMDs.

MB [/ quote]

Sure gibts den. In Sonynoch a prototype but I've been about yesterday and tomorrow it will do so again. 46 inches and pretty horny in the Picture.
Similarly, there is a 3d editing suite, a 3D mixer with 3D preview and Endmonitoren. And, logically, on the mobile 3D makes little sense ;-)

Greeting

Lutz



Antwort von domain:

The playback of stereo images is still a minor problem.
In the recording itself, the requirements are so much larger.
First, once the images have to be taken absolutely simultaneously. Furthermore, it is enough for professional recording not simply two Lenses that use aligned parallel to infinity, too. Bildwichtige for each object that is not on Unendlichbasis, Lenses must be shared synchronously with the focus on the object, are thus brought practically to squint. For close-ups that can then be such that the Lenses look at an acute angle to the object and deliver the most different background images.
But here everything was so treated on several occasions and exhaustive.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"MacPro" wrote:
"Marc Ballhaus" wrote:

There are no pole-3D Monitor


Hyundai W220S


Cool. I knew not at, thought that can only happen via canvas with coating.
Is it synonymous then the technique is Sonybenutzen? Have all the time would come there with the fear of heavy shutter glasses.

"Lutz Dieckmann" wrote:
. And, logically, on the mobile 3D makes little sense ;-)


On the phone machts s.meisten sense, or on portable devices, because the glasses Cinemizer gibts long time, and 3D aufm iPod is synonymous believe somehow.

MB



Antwort von nicecam:

"Axel" wrote:
... (which is the 3D theory behind a zoom ?)...

Interesting question.

Domain, the answer was:

"domain" wrote:
It's in 3-D yes s.The to move closer reality.




Antwort von domain:

The approach s.The reality, of course, should already be synonymous somewhat exaggerated. An increase from Avatar and an extremely powerful movie experience would, of course, if you could leave the movies of partially singed an engine beam, partially kletschnass, well shaken by the storm and with disheveled hair :-)

What has since lost ask a silly 3-D monitor or television?



Antwort von klaas:

Quote:
On the phone machts s.meisten sense, or on portable devices, because the glasses Cinemizer gibts long time, and 3D aufm iPod is synonymous believe somehow.


yes, that goes through side-by-side quicktime. So we feed our very synonymous JVC monitor. Either directly from the Macbook or via BluRay.
The glasses are already Cinemizer nen nice little ding. You can then adjust mW synonymous sharpening, what is best for me as a lazy glasses.

Quote:
I knew not at, thought that can only happen via canvas with coating.

If you mean the silver screen as synonymous, there are alternatives that are used. projection for a 3-D is not necessarily a silver canvas necessary.

Our guys in Toronto cut the way synonymous with side-by-side quicktimes.

Regards,
Klaas



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"klaas" wrote:

yes, that goes through side-by-side quicktime. So we feed our very synonymous JVC monitor. Either directly from the Macbook or via BluRay. (...)
Our guys in Toronto cut the way synonymous with side-by-side quicktimes.


Can you tell me more about it? Is there somewhere reference sites on the net? Have found nothing to date. Thanks in advance.

MB



Antwort von klaas:

There are quite a good nen plugin for Final Cut Pro of nem guy named Tim Dashwood.
thus can write these quicktimes.
in principle is a Quicktime 1920x1080p with the measurements. The two quicktimes for each eye are each anamorph then hineingepackt there. Thus you have two bruised quicktimes in a file and then equalizes the Television.










Antwort von domain:

I see the sense of 3-D representations of fact only in large-scale projections. Ok in the NLE cut shall, of course, a 3D monitor to be synonymous.
In the television but it will always look as if you into a puppet theater stage with max. 1 meter spatial depth look. Or do you see something different?
There have been so many mega-flops on the home electronic industry, I rather suspect that 3-D will become synonymous as one, despite the industry being so powerful is behind it.
Who is this please send? The bandwidth is already now so low that various channels can not even send in a good HDTV quality.
And if that should run only on Blu-Ray, then you can forget about it.



Antwort von Marco:

I am looking forward on it. 3D will provide a sensory experience of HD many times in the shade. HD take a lot of people do not come true. 3D will inspire, synonymous in the living room. But it will be difficult to produce adequate content for the long term, to offer more than just grandstanding. But unlike, for example, with 5.1 sound does not.

Marco



Antwort von TheBubble:

"domain" wrote:

There have been so many mega-flops on the home electronic industry, I rather suspect that 3-D will become synonymous as one, despite the industry being so powerful is behind it.


3D may very well be synonymous in the home is a success. 3D with shutter glasses, there was at least briefly in the PC area once before, but then came TFTs, which was then superseded only suitable technique for CRTs again.



Antwort von domain:

Solls me to be right,
especially when I can be cooking on the TFT spechteln synonymous nor in 45-degree angle in stereo .. .



Antwort von DWUA:

"Lutz Dieckmann" wrote:
Hi,

I've recently dealt with 3D for the first time and am absolutely thrilled. I will try it soon ... what is strictly


For example:
www.imcube.com/press/9.Filmecho_02_24.pdf



Antwort von DWUA:

"Marco" wrote:
... If, however, for example, 5.1 sound no different ....


Since you're absolutely right!
Perfect illusion?
The glasses were then that is synonymous quadrophonietaugliche
Headphones, could reflect the artificial head recordings,
synonymous between the "bottom left" and "top right"
"Front" and distinguish "rear".
Unfortunately the artificial head technology does not lobby.
In relation to the 3-D visual experience lags the acoustic
afterwards. Will halt replaced by different volumes from different corners.
As usual, it stays in the "horizontal" sound, as the following example:

(Interested please use headphones)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA

Sorry ...



















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