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5.1 Projekt in Logic 8 - Tipps, Hilfe, Antworten?!

5.1 Project in Logic 8 - Tips, Help, Answers?



Frage von psybak:
Oktober 2009

Hello everyone!

I did these steps:
For a short film project s.meiner college I want to make the sound. All this would be a 5.1 Dolby Digital output.

Workstation: Logic
Recording Equipment: 2 Fostex Recorder or Sound Device 744T + several microphones with different polar patterns

On the set as all the dialogue should be (in mono) was added, the atmosphere in stereo. Only individual sound recording passages are synonymous earmarked for this purpose. Only individual slamming Effect sounds like thump, steps, doors are completely in the post-production to be recreated.
As can be seen, therefore, should not be surround s.Set microphonic, so the entire surround panning is taking place in Logic.


The proposed channel allocation


Music: Left + Right (stereo or surround more synonymous?)
Atmo Front: Left + Right (or synonymous center?)
Atmo Rear: Left Sur. + Right Sur. (stereo)
OFF-voice Center
ON-Dialogues: Center (possibly synonymous L + R?)

What is your opinion? Do you have experience that could help me with the Project? Do you have tips?

How it looks with one downmix in case that someone wants to see the finished DVD on an older analog TV set without additional Dolby receiver? Is there an automated feature in Logic, or should all just as in the 2-channel stereo are mixed?

Another thing common:
The whole project is obviously edited in the studio surround s.der College, where there is a corresponding monitor speakers.

At home I have a Mac Book Pro, which has an optical output, and therefore yes yes synonymous multiple digital audio channels can be spent. I also own a Dolby Digital receiver with built-in decoder.
When I now connect these two devices via a Toslink cable, and on the Mac Book is a DVD with Dolby Digital track enacted, recognizes that my receiver and reflects my surround sound.
My question:
Is it possible that I connect my Macbook via toslink with my 5.1 receiver, and then with surround panning in Logic already can listen in on the receiver, it sounds like the result?
Or does it only have a pre-encoded AC3 track, reflecting that my Macbook via VLC (or another player) and then decoded by my receiver?


Normally I do not need six channels for 5.1 - do I need in any case, an interface that provides at least these six channels and each channel broadcasts s.einen Speaker?
Or, as the setup is usually the exception in a 5.1-Studio (of) the absolutely exact alignment of the speaker and listening position and condition of the area?
I ask this because I'm just curious if I could host the synonymous at home ...
Some questions were answered determines schonmal - again, I've put all my doubts s.Stück, so I do not forget ...



Antwort von bArtMan:

"psybak" wrote:

Music: Left + Right (stereo or surround more synonymous?)
Atmo Front: Left + Right (or synonymous center?)
Atmo Rear: Left Sur. + Right Sur. (stereo)
OFF-voice Center
ON-Dialogues: Center (possibly synonymous L + R?)

Music in surround sound is better. But do not blare continuously. Listen to you once, "Brokeback Mountain" in 2.0 and 5.1. Then you already know. Atmo rear are in current production can often only be created Raumreflexionen.Die super with a TC M3000 or with convolution reverb from the front Atmos. But do not use the back too dominant.

"psybak" wrote:

What is your opinion? Do you have experience that could help me with the Project? Do you have tips?

In no case mix votes in the LFE. That sounds horrible s.and unmasked once the amateur. In the LFE only shares are down effect S.80 Hz.

"psybak" wrote:

How it looks with one downmix in case that someone wants to see the finished DVD on an older analog TV set without additional Dolby receiver? Is there an automated feature in Logic, or should all just as in the 2-channel stereo are mixed?

As you yourself have to make a 2.0 mix. I am aware of logic but not a software I would not leave it.

"psybak" wrote:

My question:
[i] Is it possible that I connect my Macbook via toslink with my 5.1 receiver, and then with surround panning in Logic already can listen in on the receiver, it sounds like the result?

No.. For this you would need a hardware encoder and are Schweineteuer.

"psybak" wrote:

Normally I do not need six channels for 5.1 - do I need in any case, an interface that provides at least these six channels and each channel broadcasts s.einen Speaker?

Yes, exactly. The 6 analog outputs of an interface in the 5.1-input of the receiver lead. These provide the interface to the Level-10dBV, or pulls it.
The premix You certainly can do in your premises. However, I would (do everything s.Soundbearbeitung especially EQ) in the studio.



Antwort von psybak:

Thanks for your quick response! :)

Quote:
My question:
[i] Is it possible that I connect my Macbook via toslink with my 5.1 receiver, and then with surround panning in Logic already can listen in on the receiver, it sounds like the result?

No.. For this you would need a hardware encoder and are Schweineteuer.


-> Is my Dolby Digital receiver not a hardware encoder? Only a decoder?

Quote:
Normally I do not need six channels for 5.1 - do I need in any case, an interface that provides at least these six channels and each channel broadcasts s.einen Speaker?

Yes, exactly. The 6 analog outputs of an interface in the 5.1-input of the receiver lead. These provide the interface to the Level-10dBV, or pulls it.
The premix You certainly can do in your premises. However, I would (do everything s.Soundbearbeitung especially EQ) in the studio.


-> The six analog outputs of an interface would be ... but it is precisely the channels that would become synonymous transmitted via the optical cable. But the difference then lies in the fact that I could route the channels of the interface in Logic?

Greeting
Simon








Antwort von bArtMan:

Jo, your receiver is only a decoder.

With the 6 channels transmitted in the optical ADAT format your receiver can do nothing. He can only optical SPDIF and those are only 2 channels, or the finished AC3/DTS-Format.

The only option is the 5.1 analog input. Thus, the encoding and decoding is bypassed, and transmitted directly. It then uses synonymous not the bass management in the receiver. That you have to do everything yourself in Logic. A lot of fun doing it ;-).



Antwort von psybak:

Thank you!

I have just made a small test in logic:

Create a mono tracks, a voice recording for that track imported. Output of the track set to surround. A short surround panning automatically. In the settings for the ITU 5.1 surround setting selected. Then "bounce" in the master track, "split" and "Surround Bounce".
The result is, unfortunately, are unfortunately only zwe files: L and R.

Have I overlooked that in the configuration? I think that it had worked during my last test so ...



Antwort von bArtMan:

Sorry, I use Cubase. Was that just panning between the front L and R or synonymous behind? Mach doch mal split without Bounce.




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