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Dezember 2009

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Antwort von rolli46:

very insightful article. I suspect that the lower edge of slashcam found the Canon 7D in video mode through an antialiasing filter (possibly digital) of Canon was intentionally included to reduce these Effects.



Antwort von Axel:

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... due to ... aliasing, we have a totally inaccurate representation here ...

Representation. A good cue. The higher resolution of detail is how the article describes regarded as ornamental value ( "Strukturtapete") in DSLR, the actual Resolutionist worse than the average 1-chip HD cam. I've seen in about 30 minutes with the 5d test shots already: Moiree and staircase artifacts. I was just really amazed that someone finds geil.
Quote:
And the inherent shallow depth of field of these large-sensor cameras helps to hide the aliasing in the out-of-focus background of many shots.

With an HD resolution of detail is even no longer identifiable information for human's eye. Since - is often enough proved - s.einer certain "spatial" Resolutioneinfach conclusion. It's about the impression of much higher precision than it is with the visual system to grasp, therefore, under the illusion of reality (while, of this definition, SD with the adequate representation of reality is satisfied). In the temporal Resolutionsind 24 B / s has already twice what is necessary for the representation of movement. With 50 frames per second or more, we come to realistic-looking images (as synonymous with both propellers at 50i rear wheel spokes, for example, rotate, and are also not Stroboschwenks) from the world. DoF effect means for most of the targeted highlighting a particularly crisp sharpness, which is just embedded in the blur. Can I track, but the in-the-edge-crumbling of the aliased curves in the test shots I was totally unrealistic. Dear 35mm adapter.

Somewhere there was a thread that has been recommended in the poorer optics as a means to Alias | Wavefront Mayaing? Of course, they would dissolve well enough to still deliver an HD picture, so to speak, have "improved their quality. Was there anything in that?








Antwort von jogol:

Ouch. But already there are a lot of 5D and 7D in circulation. Notes for the ninth? So there a 35mm adapter ... Somehow, the theater will not stop.



Antwort von domain:

Good and understandable written and backed up with impressive examples.

In Wikipedia, there is a drastic example of synonymous Alias | Wavefront Mayaing:
First of all, the original image:
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Das nächste Picture zeigt quasi eine Lochblende, die auf das Original gelegt wird (Quantisierung auf weniger Bildpunkte)
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Die dann durch die Löcher noch sichtbaren and zusammengesetzten Punkte aus dem Original ergeben lt. Wikipedia folgendes Picture.
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Man sollte vielleicht erwähnen, dass ein with Photoshop auf eine geringere Größe herunterskaliertes Picture natürlich in None Weise so aussehen würde, weil hier nämlich keine Bildinformationen weggelassen werden, sondern alle Pixel nach verschiedenen Verfahren miteinander verrechnet werden. Also kann man daraus synonymous schließen, dass ein ähnliches Verfahren bei der HM 400 with ihren 10,3 M- Pixel zur Anwendung gelangt, weil hier nämlich keine Alias|Wavefront Mayaingeffekte zu beobachten sind.

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Bei DSLRs wird aber angeblich bei einigen Modellen ein Pixelbinning, d.h. eine Zusammenfassung mehrer Pixel zu einem Block durchgeführt. Das bringt weniger Noise and indirekt dadurch höhere Empfindlichkeit.

Aber hier kommt es zu einem anderen Effect, der ebenfalls unter den Begriffe Alias|Wavefront Mayaing fällt and zwar zu abnormalen Kanteneffekten.
Bei hochwertigen Objektiven and entsprechend abgestimmtem Pixelpitch würde der Effect im Originalbild nicht auffallen and synonymous nicht bei einer nachträglichen Skalierung durch Photoshop. Aber durch die primäre Zusammenfassung mehrerer Pixel with einer gemeinsamen Luminanz and Chrominanz kann es s.den Kanten zu einem ungewöhnlich starken and unnatürlichen Kontrastabfall kommen, d.h. Kanten and Linien werden einfach zu "sharp" and nicht with Grauwerten abfallend abgebildet.





Antwort von masterseb:

"jogol" wrote:
Ouch. But already there are a lot of 5D and 7D in circulation. Notes for the ninth? So there a 35mm adapter ... Somehow, the theater will not stop.


oh, you have to keep that in only aware of it. dslr is a video not be a point and shoot camera, you have just you about the inszenierung clear. You can also exaggerate and overstate any effect, when we know how. ansich is not a point of criticism, the 7D is the best alternative 35mm.



Antwort von Axel:

@ domain
Beautiful, clear, obvious. We bet it does not remain so. When you just thought you should have a corn, came Dr. House ...

"masterseb" wrote:
"jogol" wrote:
Ouch. But already there are a lot of 5D and 7D in circulation. Notes for the ninth? So there a 35mm adapter ... Somehow, the theater will not stop.


oh, you have to keep that in only aware of it. dslr is a video not be a point and shoot camera, you have just you about the inszenierung clear. You can also exaggerate and overstate any effect, when we know how. ansich is not a point of criticism, the 7D is the best alternative 35mm.


Who says you would with 35mm adapters are not so twenty or thirty issues (keep an eye on for months and negative experiences are held), to be forced to dance with bare feet on burning coals and sing Cheri cheri lady. You're right, it takes along everything you know about DSLR videography and consistently addresses all the quirks, so that great things are possible. But the fact is that it has 720p rather than 1080p.



Antwort von MacSeller:

404ERR



Antwort von Meldur:

Man here can be really weak - sometimes I wish it would not disclose this Page:) - the moment I have ordered my 7D and am just waiting impatiently for the delivery because it is an article under my nose and I start again to study like crazy to example videos. But shortly before the purchase of my current SonyV1 were synonymous kastastrophale images on slashcam RollingShutter on artifacts and with this knowledge, I had the problem under control is always very good - let's hope that this is repeated in the 7D ...



Antwort von jogol:

35mm adapter are unwieldy, Frickel, sensitive and expensive in the sum of the required components. Stop was a nice thought to get around all this nonsense with an affordable solution also.



Antwort von masterseb:

do not worry. The 7D is a fantastic camera and you are just a few of these problems are described in everyday!



Antwort von Meldur:

I wanted something different but not hearing at all:) - no, but seriously - I've got 14 days and was ordered to return not for nothing that all the equipment at once. As is so synonymous a few power lines and tile roofs go into the test series.








Antwort von MacSeller:

"Meldur" wrote:
Man here can be really weak - sometimes I wish it would not disclose this Page:) - the moment I have ordered my 7D and am just waiting impatiently for the delivery because it is an article under my nose and I start again to study like crazy to example videos. But shortly before the purchase of my current SonyV1 were synonymous kastastrophale images on slashcam RollingShutter on artifacts and with this knowledge, I had the problem under control is always very good - let's hope that this is repeated in the 7D ...


I hope I could help you

Source: video of the lecture says Tim Smith (Canon Inc. Prod.Manager Digital Images) there clearly and distinctly, not that the whole line or Pixelskipping rumors true, because the D5 (and the D7 will) do not help with 6x6 binning works.
Is that official enough?

Canon 7D Alias | Wavefront Mayaing Test - 720p50 virtually unusable! - http://forum.slashcam.de/canon-7d-aliasing-test-720p50-quasi-unbrauchbar-vt74882.html

MFG



Antwort von tommyb:

"masterseb" wrote:
do not worry. The 7D is a fantastic camera and you are just a few of these problems are described in everyday!

However, synonymous only if the client does not need fine detail.

If one has in an interview with a normal camera, a person sitting in front of the tie has terminated in a fine, then we have been here moire formation.

With a 5D/7D would not only tie abnormal flicker synonymous but his mustache, his hair, maybe even the very skin from microphone, etc.

Explain that it views the client. Have fun.



Antwort von masterseb:

I do not have the experience so far made. I can not confirm.



Antwort von Axel:

Experience? ? Confirm

1. It is not the case that the recording of herringbone coats, neckties pepitagemusterten, blinds, power lines, roof tiles, hair with streaks ( "Golden Pheasant", etc.) should generally lead to unwanted effects. Unfortunately, it is so that for example the chemical structure of a shirt, all recordings of a person by Moirierung might break, and that it is very likely not see the display!

However, it is so that the actual time Resolutionzu None approximate FullHD is synonymous (synonymous when it "looks"). Who says it still has not read the article, or simply not understood.

2. To compensate for: the Resolutionist completely unimportant. About quality and look of the finished video, she says nothing. And do not even like the article says, about the sharpness. So clear. There are so many of Tiffen finely graduated blur, and now the time has come to test them and share the results ...



Antwort von Meldur:

Quote:
I do not have the experience so far made. I can not confirm.



you have not done because it does not come into the situation, or not done because in the situation and did not occur?



Antwort von Chezus:

Where light is, is synonymous shadow.
The vDSLRs have an enormous amount of advantages and disadvantages, of course, synonymous

One can not demand that the cams are mature as the first generation is already totally.

Canon deserves hell of a lot of coal with these cameras and can now take that time to develop proper;)



Antwort von meawk:

"rolli46" wrote:
very insightful article. I suspect that the lower edge of slashcam found the Canon 7D in video mode through an antialiasing filter (possibly digital) of Canon was intentionally included to reduce these Effects.


The joke might be of Canon. . .
Yes, the article perhaps comes of Canon, because in some cases where such Z. "softness / blur" the 7D in the video mode is flying around the ears). Fact is, the 7D is anyway not "Full HD" cam. On the upscaling theories, so that the cam of around 972p to 1080p. . . already is there some truth to his turn. In order to shoot the actually very good original 972p-picture, but broke again to a large extent. Why does the Canon: The Devil 1D IV will come out a better FullHD deliver Picture, or indeed of the many is not purchased. Full HD is normally in the 500D, 7D, 5D II and IV of the new 1D "Full HD" - who take it in video mode has a purely absolutely nothing (the 500D can only missed 20fps, but that's knackscharf??; 7D of a filter or upscaling, so they down of the 1D IV separates... then - that's me really slowly) on the mind. This is lousy product policy of Canon on his back and to the detriment of the buyer.

My inquiry in terms of upscaling to Canon 7D will probably never answered. . .

The current problem is still with the 7D, that they really in the video mode is very soft / is blurred. It can not be that we basically any "killer" drüberhauen such as Magic Bullet need of some known but synonymous Looks ('re synonymous) sometimes used quite well, so that the video looks fairly good.
LG

PS: With the 500D I have dirt-cheap in the summer with my wife right after your purchase almost a test video from the hip while eating in a nice restaurant in Limburg rotated in passing, that was immediately knackscharf (good osArtikel after the sharp indeed be false - since even a cat laugh!) - there's something rotten. . . I like to always learn what this is clear, but I can piss me synonymous itself

Did forget one more thing: My little GF1 is the way, a superhot 720p video image. Since I now must write and complain Panasonic times, because that is somehow synonymous wrong sharp.
This item will be foisted on the way in several U.S. forums are also the disappointed 7D owners. Canon is concerned that the Cam is hundreds of thousands of them and they sent an adjustment, etc. calls or that return many owners simply the Cam: I think, and final test for me until Monday. Maybe they will go back to the dealer, because I can actually synonymous to take my 500D, even in the 720p 30fps mode, there is not a whit worse in video mode and the photo mode is synonymous very well.



Antwort von DWUA:

Yes, our women!
Meanwhile Admire our six packs.
Built up by continuous irritation of the laughter muscles.

"Axel" wrote:

Who says you would with 35mm adapters are not so twenty or thirty issues (keep an eye on for months and negative experiences are held), to be forced to dance with bare feet on burning coals and sing Cheri cheri lady. You're right, it takes along everything you know about DSLR videography and consistently addresses all the quirks, so that great things are possible. But the fact is that it has 720p rather than 1080p.


Thank you, Axel!

;))




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