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Canopus A/D-Wandler - notwendig oder nicht?

Canopus A / D converter - necessary or not?



Frage von DoBBy:
Juli 2008

Dear Slashcam Forum,

I am currently in the planning of these give me a A / D converters of Canopus zuzulegen. However, I was a good friend of a little insecure to me said that these external A / D converter would be nonsensical for me, because my PC has a built in RCA inputs (red-white-yellow), where I keep my analog could signal recording. This built-in analog input of my PC with my TV card connected. He said now that these external converters only for those would make sense that do not have analog input s.PC - the converter is virtually an "external" video card with the right connections.
Is he right? So I think it would be a difference in quality, if I now have this converter to record the signal, or whether I use the TV card s.meine subscribe? The only difference that I noticed until now is that the signal on the TV card ONLY in MPEG2 format may be DV-AVI or other formats are not possible ...

And now if this would be unremittingly converter for a clean analog transfer then I please ask what differences there are between the individual transducers of Canopus. The cheapest, for example, the ADVC-55, but of course in principle the same make, how expensive the ADVC-3000: Both the signal digitizer. If the 55er so synonymous go?

Thank you for your help



Antwort von B.DeKid:

As your friend has Prinziep law.

But it is of course the question how often is it used, what format you want and aufnehmenn and Other

External converter comes with USB or Firewire PCI card .... since the start already.

PCI-based solutions, I think so far s.besten, then and only then Firewire USB.

The units of Canopus, you can borrow synonymous, then a comparison to make, for example. If you like the quality of your TV card would be so rich so money has been saved.

MfG
B. DeKid

PS.
What do the capturing?



Antwort von DoBBy:

"B. DeKid" wrote:

But it is of course the question how often is it used?

Hmm so I would then make the converters use my stock s.VHS video cassettes to the digitizer and then would be some ...
"B. DeKid" wrote:
What format will you begin?

So if my VHS tapes to digitize, then I should like to try to the best of the analog tapes still rauszukitzeln, ie, as little as possible loss of quality ... (Somehow I'm such a fanatic quality:-D)

"B. DeKid" wrote:
PCI-based solutions, I think so far s.besten, then and only then Firewire USB.

Did not something with the transmission rate to be done? I just know that a constant FireWire Transmission of ~ 400 Mbit / s has. USB on the other hand, has a variable transmission rate up to 400?. PCI is even faster than FireWire?

"B. DeKid" wrote:
The units of Canopus is synonymous borrow to take a Comparison to ...

Can one directly under the homepage Canpus borrow? The advance would be worth a try, but I think my built-in TV card will not be as good, this is not special, is some no-name product of Medion, of the is synonymous my PC and I've already established myself vowed that I no longer Medion PC comes into the house. It is very rare that it gets really without any problems running ...








Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Dobby" wrote:
... Can one directly under the homepage Canpus borrow ?!...

No idea, it will give more than one lender, but here in the forum is always referred to www.digitalschnitt.de, the ADVC-110 and -300 for weekly rent.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Also a calculator can Medion what .... one must only be the first act, throw everything down and then re-install because I have several friends to be happy with "Medion computers."

Sure VHS to MPEG2 is really sufficient, if the Canopus here delivers better quality, I can not really tell you.
Television times one, maybe because ne capturing weeks until the doctor comes and ;-) You have already garkeinen buy ;-)

Alla
MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von DoBBy:

"B. DeKid" wrote:
Also a calculator can Medion what .... one must only be the first act, throw everything down and reinstall

Yes, I have already done and he still runs very unstable. Lately, he is simply not addressed and I hammers like crazy on the "on-switch" rum, but nothing stirs itself. Until then I hours after a long search at random times rather s.der motherboard battery was shaken and then he went again. Sowas may (in my opinion) for a little 3 years old PC does not happen!
"B. DeKid" wrote:
Whether the Canopus here delivers better quality, I can not really tell you.
Television times one from ...

Yes, I think I will do synonymous, the link of Bernd.E I find very useful, as can the 300 already for 49 ¬ per week rent. I think if I use the 2 weeks bond and then around the clock durchcapture will probably still be cheaper than if I buy now and then later at home after work vergammelt because he is no longer needed ...



Antwort von DV_Chris:

In all, the Canopus converters proven excellent Canopus DV codec in hardware applications. The picture quality is simply better than any TV cards. Even the ADVC55 is a good choice if you only need inputs.



Antwort von DoBBy:

"DV_Chris" wrote:

In all, the Canopus converters proven excellent Canopus DV codec in hardware applications. The picture quality is simply better than any TV cards. Even the ADVC55 is a good choice if you only need inputs.

And what are different then the converter? I think this could really all the ADVC55 buy the supplies and s.billigsten is yes (as a result of this codec) the same image quality as the 300, right?
Why are all the other more expensive because it must be so any differences ....



Antwort von DV_Chris:

ADVC55: only analog inputs
ADVC110 analog inputs and Ausänge
ADVC300 analog inputs and Ausänge and TBC



Antwort von Markus:

"Dobby" wrote:
So if my VHS tapes to digitize, then I should like to try to the best of the analog tapes still rauszukitzeln, ie, as little as possible loss of quality ... (Somehow I'm such a fanatic quality:-D)

In this case it is really only a combination to the debate: A very good and especially neat, freshly purified SVHS recorder for playback. That is the first link in the digitization chain, then, is synonymous with influence, not to despise. What a abgenudeltes VHS battle ship or a new low-priced recorder provides is not always the yellow from the egg.

This is followed by either directly from the Canopus ADVC-300 (because one has TB and also the image can reduce noise), or - if the result still be a little better - only a device to correct the color shift and then the ADVC-300.

If there should be less expensive, would be synonymous, perhaps a well-known VHS-DVD recorder combo hard question. Such devices have often synonymous (automatic) possibilities for image optimization s.Bord.

The question is holding, including the images should be digitized? Just to have them digitally? Then it is sufficient to combi recorder. Or should synonymous something cut? Then it ran more on the ADVC-300 also.



Antwort von MK:

The line-of TBC ADVC-300, however, very badly with cuts clearly dirty ... there would be more of a real TBC offer to avoid dropouts.



Antwort von DoBBy:

"Mark" wrote:

... A very good and especially neat, freshly purified SVHS recorder for playback ... What a abgenudeltes VHS battle ship or a new low-priced recorder provides is not always the yellow from the egg.

Oh dear, then I am afraid I do this ADVC-300 does not even up, because my recorder is not a SVHS recorder and relating to Cheap Recorder: Well, I have a good 8-10 years from the ALDI * gg *
But I have to say to my defense that this recorder until now always ran perfectly synonymous and provided a good picture. Until recently, holding the video head modest because it was dirty (I can look at my other Thread
Würde sich die Anschaffung dieses ADVC-300 trotz meines Rekorders für mich lohnen? Es käme halt nur der 300er für mich in Frage, weil dieser der erste and billigste Wandler ist, der TBC hat and das Signal verbessern kann (Bildrauschen, etc). Alle unter 300 können das ja nicht. Aber 380 ¬ sind halt synonymous eine Menge Money, deswegen möchte ich halt schon gerne wissen, ob es sich für mich dann überhaupt lohnt.
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Würde sich die Anschaffung dieses ADVC-300 trotz meines Rekorders für mich lohnen? Es käme halt nur der 300er für mich in Frage, weil dieser der erste and billigste Wandler ist, der TBC hat and das Signal verbessern kann (Bildrauschen, etc). Alle unter 300 können das ja nicht. Aber 380 ¬ sind halt synonymous eine Menge Money, deswegen möchte ich halt schon gerne wissen, ob es sich für mich dann überhaupt lohnt.
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Würde sich die Anschaffung dieses ADVC-300 trotz meines Rekorders für mich lohnen? Es käme halt nur der 300er für mich in Frage, weil dieser der erste and billigste Wandler ist, der TBC hat and das Signal verbessern kann (Bildrauschen, etc). Alle unter 300 können das ja nicht. Aber 380 ¬ sind halt synonymous eine Menge Money, deswegen möchte ich halt schon gerne wissen, ob es sich für mich dann überhaupt lohnt.

The objective of the digitization would be holding any post s.PC and then a highly probable archiving on DVD. I also read that I use this converter synonymous use it as a solution where I use a Endbildschirm for my editing program can connect, can the cheaper models synonymous, or does it only with the 300? Because that would be synonymous again a reason for such a converter.









Antwort von Markus:

"MK" wrote:
The line-of TBC ADVC-300, however, very badly with cuts clearly dirty ...

Perhaps we have very different material, but so far I had the impression that the ADVC-300 even sync disturbance fields, the other (Consumer-/-vollbild-) TBCs not create more.

"Dobby" wrote:
... my recorder is not a SVHS recorder ...

The reason why I even when recording a VHS-SVHS recorder prefer depends with the type of signal output together. For SVHS devices are Y / C connections in VHS only Composite. With the latter, the color on the brightness signal aufmoduliert what the A / D converter then must aufdröseln. An unnecessary signal conversion also with potential losses.

Ultimately, however, is much more crucial, as the output signal of the recorder looks like. A good DVD recorder that cuts may be better s.als an extreme-low-noname-SVHS recorder. ;-)

"Dobby" wrote:
Would the purchase of this ADVC-300, despite my recorder worth it for me?

I think so, because a TBC and a noise reduction actually makes sense on every recorder.

"Dobby" wrote:
But ¬ 380 is synonymous stop a lot of money ...

You could either rent the converter or a buy after work and sell. The Canopus parts have a good resale value.

"Dobby" wrote:
I also read that I use this converter synonymous use it as a solution where I use a Endbildschirm for my editing program can connect ...

That's true, but for this application would be the ADVC-300 for two reasons not optimal: First, he is totally oversized, since it has many features available to you by the output of the video image on a television does not need. Secondly, the device has a built in fan, of course, synonymous noise. Here would be the better ADVC-110, which is absolutely silent.

To the best of both applications to be prepared, so you could buy 300 now and later sell to with the money (and a little surplus?) Then a faint 110er to purchase ...



Antwort von MK:

"Mark" wrote:

Perhaps we have very different material, but so far I had the impression that the ADVC-300 even sync disturbance fields, the other (Consumer-/-vollbild-) TBCs not create more.


Since not only I have some problems with the material to the line-of TBC ADVC-300 did (among other things, that he absolutely zeitstabilem signal itself tends einzustreuen jitter) and the device is not in a position regardless of the Syncs from the source material throughout a video display (repetition of the last intact frames LTBC as he can not, but at least it would have been black), no preference how damaged the synchronous pulses are (important to remember that reproducibly s.diversen analog cuts dropped frames occur as the ADVC-300 does not on the material and can synce the video stream pauses), I assume that you did but better material than you did;).

Moreover, the performance of TBCs when he with the source material easily synonymous does not the yellow from the egg, I have several shots where you see very nicely that although the rear with the ADVC-300 is a stable sync rauskommt, but vertical lines are not, for example, straightened although with the same material for other (full-) TBCs problem was.

Since this is not the synonymous Picture "optical" wavy lines to check, I rather believe that the ADVC-300 is too long reaction time in detecting false synchronization pulses getimter lines and therefore has smaller variances not zurechtrückt (the times are tracking at least in TBC chip of the ADVC-300, according to data of the chip set, but offers Canopus no access to these functions).

It is true that line-TBCs synonymous advantages over full-TBCs can have, and although when the synchronous signal of a half s.Anfang are defective, then there tends the complete picture to "bounce". As a line-TBC only a few lines can be corrected then this problem does not occur naturally because it is not the complete picture caches.

The Bildwiederholbug and the audio offset bug up to 40ms of the ADVC-300 I leave this now completely out of ...

For fast times in between recording and for what 80% of consumer applications like it enough, I use it only as a transducer for the preview on the DVD-authoring with Architect since no SDI card;)



Antwort von B.DeKid:

I say only

Borrow - Testing - Decide.

Best way ;-)



Antwort von Markus:

"MK" wrote:
It is true that line-TBCs synonymous advantages over full-TBCs can have, and although when the synchronous signal of a half s.Anfang are defective ...

That must be the explanation! Particularly unattractive showed that in particular (S) VHS recordings, where the first image line wegkippten. There was the ADVC-300 is the only device that is captured and stabilized.



Antwort von DoBBy:

Hello,
times I wanted to report back with news:

I have now euern tip and followed me with the ADVC-300 for 2 weeks. I have him now been a week and am now but the whole time while my better incorporated into the matter. There are some (many) questions that I, despite research and instruction manual (although in German, but I find little informative) can not answer ...

My first question concerns the optimal configuration of the converter:
If at all what s.den DIP switches s.der underside changed, if so, what is the optimal configuration?
In the factory setting looks as follows:

Selector switch 1 (left row)
1 PHY SPEED - OFF
2 Update Mode - OFF
3 Locked Audio Mode - OFF
4 Audio Mode - OFF
NTSC Setup Level 5 - OFF
6 Video Format - ON
7 STANDBY - OFF
8 Operation Mode - OFF

Selector Switch 2 (right series)
1 Video Audio Adjust Mode - OFF
2 CHROMA FILTER - OFF
Level 3 component - OFF
4 ASPECT RATIO ENABLE - OFF
5 ASPECT RATIO SELECT - OFF
6 Reserved
7 Reserved
8 Video Sync Mode - OFF

The Left Page, I can actually to the points 1 and 2 to understand and are synonymous for me to understand. But what is point 1 (SPEED PHY) and point 2 (update mode)? What is the effect of a change?

The right page is the only thing I can understand, Item 1, 2 and 5 The remaining terms are not familiar to me, what should I do it?



Antwort von Markus:

"Dobby" wrote:
My first question concerns the optimal configuration of the converter: ...

The position of the DIP switches to operate s.PC times I had posted here: Operation problem ADVC-300 (video forum s.05.05.2006 contribution to 16:39 clock).

"Dobby" wrote:
8 Operation Mode - OFF

This position means "Operation Mode = unit", ie when the converter is used without a PC. This switch set to ON if you want the device from the PC want to control (including all settings).

"Dobby" wrote:
But what is point 1 (SPEED PHY) and point 2 (update mode)? What is the effect of a change?

PHY data rate means the speed of the Firewire connection. If the converter s.eine standard Firewire port, then the connection speed of "400" (Mbit / s) chosen. If the cable is not so good or / and longer, then choose "200" (Mbps) to a stable connection. Normally, 400 Mbit / s okay.

With the MODE UPDATE I have not yet employed. Since the switch is OFF s.meinem converter, ie "normal" and not "Update".

"Dobby" wrote:
The right page is the only thing I can understand, Item 1, 2 and 5 The remaining terms are not familiar to me, what should I do it?

3. Component Level - SMPTE or Betacam?
Component signals are available in different variants (4th siehe Wikipedia). Wird kein Gerät per Komponentenkabel s.die "Component- Out "-Schnittstelle angeschlossen (was im Privatbereich die Regel ist), dann ist die Schalterstellung nicht wichtig. An meinem Wandler steht sie auf SMPTE, also Schalterstellung OFF.

Aspect Ratio Enable - Enable or Disable?
I have to be able to accomplish so No.5 switch to enable or disable what a piece would be far gemoppelt twice.

6. and 7 siehe Wikipedia). Wird kein Gerät per Komponentenkabel s.die "Component- Out "-Schnittstelle angeschlossen (was im Privatbereich die Regel ist), dann ist die Schalterstellung nicht wichtig. An meinem Wandler steht sie auf SMPTE, also Schalterstellung OFF.

are blank (possibly reserve for future functions with enhanced firmware).

8. Video Sync Mode - Internal or External Sync Sync?
I assume that both the transducer itself as synonymous clock cycle of the video are played on them. But this is only a presumption. I currently run the converter with the "Internal Sync" einwandfrei.



Antwort von DoBBy:

Thank you, Mark! :-)

Nevertheless, even opened the following additional questions:

You have your converter is configured so that you saw it from the PC can control (Operation Mode = ON) and that you have video and audio quality can change (Video Audio Adjust Mode = ON).
These two options, I can not really understand because:
My converter is currently in the factory settings, so Operation Mode = OFF Audio and Video ... = OFF. But I can still yes converter on the PC "control", because if I use the bundled software (Picture Controller) open, then I can play around there s.den controls in the preview window and then change the picture accordingly. What does it all worthwhile Audio Video Adjust Mode = ON? Picture I can do so by changing these controls, although in my PC mode and Video Adjust mode is off?

Last question on the DIP switches:

For "2 - CHROMA FILTER -> 1.3MHz = OFF | ON = 2.0MHz"
By default set to OFF (ie 1.3MHz). Is less more, or better is ON, since the number is bigger before? You have to stand off ...



Antwort von Markus:

"Dobby" wrote:
My converter is currently in the factory settings ...

These are not the factory settings, but what the last user has terminated. The rental converters are usually no new equipment in the strict sense.

"Dobby" wrote:
What does it all worthwhile Audio Video Adjust Mode = ON?

It could be that this switch only has a function when the converter is used without a PC. It seems to me at least plausible. As far as I remember s.meine first tests, the switch seemed to have no function. Alone without a PC, I have the ADVC-300 not tested and so far synonymous not needed.

"Dobby" wrote:
For "2 - CHROMA FILTER -> 1.3MHz = OFF | ON = 2.0MHz"
By default set to OFF (ie 1.3MHz). Is less more, or better is ON, since the number is bigger before? You have to stand off ...

With this setting, I have not experimented. The value has good fit and the brightness and color were in the interaction with my recorders good.

If I understand correctly cope rhymes, and then from the transducer with 1.3 MHz in the case of composite-to-play only the maximum range of the color (see synonymous spectrum of composite video and S-Video - Graph right and "Technical Details") and at 2 , 0 MHz synonymous the flanks. The former could lead to a loss s.Farbzeichnung lead the latter to an increased or more color cross-color interference.



Antwort von MK:

The chroma filter applies only to the output signal. A high bandwidth of the composite at Farbträgers leads to many (cheap) television sets to problems, so the low pass at 1.3 MHz, the default setting.








Antwort von JMS Productions:

Hello,

I also use the Canopus ADVC-300 and also had a question about this:
And while I use my converter is not only for the digitizer, but use it as synonymous video Endmonitor. I have s.Composite output on the back of the video (yellow) via the scart adapter s.einen small (Hotel TV) is connected. The picture seems synonymous there. Now my questions:

1) Why is only just on the television picture and no sound, although I Tonverbindungen infected synonymous to it?
2) Somehow it is so before me, as if the picture on the Endmonitor always a little behind, that is in the Picture editing program (Premiere) is black and only after 1 sec it will be on the Endmonitor also black. Is this normal, or as true what is not? If the normal should be, I would not be so suitable, because in speaking of these persons is set very irritating ...



Antwort von thos-berlin:

To my knowledge should both Picture as synonymous Sound on the transformer to run television. Then Picture and sound synchronously with each other. The offset between the PC-display and analogue display is normal. The built-in PC sound card not use it.



Antwort von JMS Productions:

"thos-berlin" wrote:
To my knowledge should both Picture as synonymous Sound on the transformer to run television. Then Picture and sound synchronously with each other.

I now habs nochmal previously tested, but is somehow out of my picture editing program just s.den converter supplied. I have the Tonausgänge of the converter is also connected with the television, but only see pictures and hear no sound. On television, it is not, I have the full up - nothing. Editing program = Premiere CS3. Should we as vllt still something extra because sound settings? With MAGIX comes only synonymous Picture, but with MAGIX is the output to a Endmonitor 100% overloaded. Since cutting makes no fun anymore. All jerky just yet ... That is why I have at MAGIX deactivated. Has anyone tips?



Antwort von Markus:

"JMS Productions wrote:
Editing program = Premiere CS3. Should we as vllt still something extra because sound settings?

Check it out if this is true:
Is the sound on another output device set?

Same topic with additional descriptions:
Adobe APP2 & Auditon, Z-10 & Realtek AC97




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