Digitize VHS collection -> bring in a convenient form
Frage von instantnudel: Mai 2009
Hello, I have read a lot and I'm still unsure.
So to my problem.
Since the early 90s I started to back up my favorite shows on VHS. Since the recorder already 2 brand Sonykaputt have gone (; The first was broken after 2 years because my parents wanted to play a cassette tape with wet. They thought everything would be dry because the cassette box is dry ... oh man, I was pissed ... ). The first cost and second cost 1700 DM 1250 DM Most VHS tapes are the brand of Scotch and usually taken only once and played a few times now, and Bum, down into a locked cabinet in front of them. Since 1999/2000, I stopped Series secure because I lack the space to safely store the tapes.
Now I have a lower Mid-consumer VCR Sonyof of 2001 which has only cost about 450 DM. In there now lies a cassette that I have gotten not seen since the mid-2008th This cassette and like its predecessors, is played over a hundred-and (, usually between the band beginning to hour 4 in LP).
My third VCR will not participate much longer I guess, and I will then again not really a pure VHS VCR, prefer a combo or a free HDD / DVD or HDD / BD recorders. Because most cartridges are at least 10 years old and will soon unlestbar, I would like to digitize loss as possible.
1. Which digital video format is s.besten suitable for long-term archiving? 2. For a good solution, I would spend up to ¬ 1500. But I would rather spend much less because, as soon as I said I need to buy a new recorder.
The best thing is that my VHS collection to HDD (; RAID 1) safe where I can irgentwann on BD media can watch and burn on a normal TV. I think that the HDDs, the cheapest medium for archived. What do you think of this solution for long-term archiving?
Currently I only have a mid-consumer VCR Sonyand of a PC with Core2Duo EE6550, GF 7900 GS and 2 GB of Ram. Experience in Vieobearbeitung unfortunately I have not. I could invest 10 hours a week for this, for me, mammoth task. I am not averse to a more convenient solution, since I have 70 to 100 cartridges and some have been recorded in LP (; not beat ^ ^).
Antwort von jazzy_d:
There are VHS-DVD recorder combination. As you synced purely a VHS and a DVD and press a button (; dubbing) and it comes out a DVD with the contents of the VHS (; relatively well until about 2-3 hours on 4.7GB single-) layer DVDs. That to me is really the best way, if you take good-quality blank DVDs (and I accept only Taiyo Yuden).
The way of hard drive / raid I do not see it as a solution. Synonymous is rather difficult to get the stuff on a PC hard disk for (; especially believe without a TV card).
Then there are VHS-DVD-HDD combi. Nothing can be done to record to hard disk, rausschneiden advertising and then a DVD. I have a combination of Panasonic DVD hard disk (and I have no VHS) and it works tadelelos.
Unfortunately, you can connect the recorder is not usually such s.den pc the movies of the recorder's hard disk to the PC hard disk to copy.
I think BD recorder, it does not yet exist, but it makes the VHS-quality, in my view no sense synonymous.
Antwort von JMS Productions:
"instant doodle" wrote:
1. Which digital video format is s.besten suitable for long-term archiving?
I would suggest to you here in a format that s.wenigsten quality loss brings with itself (; So s.wenigsten) is compressed, so synonymous but takes away a bit more space: DV-AVI. With today's disk prices and sizes-but no longer a problem.
"instant doodle" wrote:
2. For a good solution, I would spend up to ¬ 1500. But I would rather spend much less because, as soon as I said I need to buy a new recorder.
For a professional building and nearly as large as possible qualitative synonymous dubbing you have to grab something in his pockets. If not already done so, please redeem yourself of the outset of any marketing-strategic "cheap-grave of Bern" and slogans á la "Rescue your video tapes in seconds with your USB-Stick" etc. .. For good quality you will not get through a Grabberpaket for 30 ¬ at Media Markt.
A good but somewhat synonymous expensive solution would be a good analog to digital converter that digitizes your analog picture, cleaned up and stabilized before it passes to s.den PC Studio. Good converters of this kind include the ADVC products of Canopus. For example, the ADVC-110: http://digitalschnitt.de/produkte/zubehoer/advc110.htm Or the ADVC-300: http://digitalschnitt.de/produkte/zubehoer/advc300.htm
"instant doodle" wrote:
The best thing is that my VHS collection to HDD (; RAID 1) safe where I can irgentwann on BD media can watch and burn on a normal TV.
With many recordings to be digitized and the qualitätsschonenden DV-AVI format, which will cost around 13 GB per hour, synonymous, I think that a hard drive here is the best medium. Also for archiving this is one, I think, good choice. Put only proper safeguards, it's because the downside is, if the disk should fail once, stop everything right away ...
Burn your digital videos to BlueRay, brings nothing at all and I think is a waste of money because it is by no means to HD material, but with normal SD material, and that's enough when it is burned on regular DVDs. Increasing the quality you will not have, just because you burn it on BlueRay! Spare yourself the BlueRays prefer to to burn HD material to, for there is one out of synonymous!
"instant doodle" wrote:
Currently I only have a mid-consumer of Sony VCR ...
For a best possible digitization would be synonymous appropriate to use a higher quality video device. First and foremost, however, there is important that the device is in a clean, good condition. Very important is that not the figurative dirty minds and (perhaps due to frequent use of the device does not) have been exploited and eroded. For sowas worsened the picture-and sound quality in secret. Since the playback device (; in the case of the VHS recorder), the very first link in the digitization chain, later also decisive for the final quality, care should be taken s.penibelsten. Do the dirty pictures to s.Wandler, they are not synonymous improved, since it may be ever so professional converters ... From nothing comes nothing;)
Antwort von thos-berlin:
I'm here actually the champion of AD converters for reading of video material, but in this case I would be synonymous, as jazzy_d, the "normal" hard disk DVD recorder guess. Whether VHS-DVD-HDD combo, or "only" DVD-HDD combo, and use the existing VHS is really no preference.
The Umwandlng goes in real time and therefore quite fast and the quality seems good enough. The images of the DVDs into your computer you can capture and then if necessary once synonymous archived.
I can JMS Productions, in his opinion, do not use Blu-Ray, just unterstgützen. This is probably escaped Money. VHS recorder technically give off a picture-in PAL resolution. The resolution is in fact rather less. There is also a DVD from PAL resolution. As need to be artificially inflated, as would be required for Blu-Ray. The recorded quality is the fact (not better, where they will come synonymous).
Antwort von instantnudel:
"jazzy_d" wrote:
Unfortunately, you can connect the recorder is not usually such s.den pc the movies of the recorder's hard disk to the PC hard disk to copy.
I think BD recorder, it does not yet exist, but it makes the VHS-quality, in my view no sense synonymous.
"JMS Productions wrote:
Burn your digital videos to BlueRay, brings nothing at all and I think is a waste of money because it is by no means to HD material, but with normal SD material, and that's enough when it is burned on regular DVDs. Increasing the quality you will not have, just because you burn it on BlueRay! Spare yourself the BlueRays prefer to to burn HD material to, for there is one out of synonymous!
Very bad ... Then force the recorder manufacturers, some customers to pure PC solution. Because I want my collection synonymous able to watch on my TV with a simple menu with chapter selection and etc.
BD, I mentioned only because I want to save storage space, 1 BD rather than 5 to 6 DVDs. The BD indeed be cheaper with time, and until then I store them on HDDs in DV-AVI quality. Perhaps irgentwann is a great technique where you can project without any problems of DVD resolution to HD resolution without the picture looks funny. -HD DVD movies on television but did not look good, right? Because the resolution per unit area is indeed the same as PAL. Or am I mistaken something? My friend has an LCD monitor, and he always says he needs to select the native resolution or share with a natural number can be. Other resolutions are strange on his monitor.
"JMS Productions wrote:
Or the ADVC-300: http://digitalschnitt.de/produkte/zubehoer/advc300.htm
Can I install between the TV box (, so the TV source) and recorder, or is it just a pure PC solution?
Do I have here a well-shielded Scart cable with gold plate connector to buy so that the image signal which of my VHS recorder does not come too s.Qualität decreasing? Überhaut still makes sense? For I have no SVHS and SVHS cassette recorder. Is there a device with built-in VHS TB drive?
"JMS Productions wrote:
For a best possible digitization would be synonymous appropriate to use a higher quality video device. First and foremost, however, there is important that the device is in a clean, good condition. Very important is that not the figurative dirty minds and (perhaps due to frequent use of the device does not) have been exploited and eroded. For sowas worsened the picture-and sound quality in secret. Since the playback device (; in the case of the VHS recorder), the very first link in the digitization chain, later also decisive for the final quality, care should be taken s.penibelsten. Do the dirty pictures to s.Wandler, they are not synonymous improved, since it may be ever so professional converters ... From nothing comes nothing;)
Since you've been right. Actually, the digitization of my collection is only a one-time thing. So I want hinrüberretten my analog collection into the digital age. The only thing is the same, is my Television. If in a few years are not receiving analog signals and only-HD signals, become synonymous to buy a flat screen. Unfortunately, I fear will make my current VHS recorder with not so long and I really do not know where I still reasonable herbekomme VHS recorder. Moreover, what do I do with a VHS recorder when I receive only-HD signals?
"thos-berlin" wr
Antwort von JMS Productions:
You have to now say: Are you now for a pure PC-based operation, so you like your movies after all still archived on external hard disks can, or would you rather the VHS-DVD/HDD-Kombi-Arbeitsweise, but making it difficult (;) he will get the images on your PC, connect it can not be combined device and PC to exchange data. The files of the finished play back DVDs on your PC to archive and then like to go well, but I do not think (as much as recommended, especially if one wants to be free, suitable for future technologies and future formats) and to rework the DV-AVI format better anyway.
The PC-based way of working does not mean that you can never watch your movies on your television, you have even more possibilities than with the VHS combo solution. You can choose to rework the images more accurately, (; eg cutting, brush, paint etc.) and finally with a DVD authoring program to burn DVD and create an interactive DVD menu ...
"instant doodle" wrote:
-HD DVD movies on television but did not look good, right?
This can not be answered so flat that comes heavily on the subjective perception s.and synonymous especially (how big the picture plane; resolution) of the HD-TV is because it needs to be inflated, the PAL-signal "" ...
"instant doodle" wrote:
"JMS Productions wrote:
Or the ADVC-300: http://digitalschnitt.de/produkte/zubehoer/advc300.htm
Can I install between the TV box (, so the TV source) and recorder, or is it just a pure PC solution?
I do not understand your question completely, the ADVC-300 is a device to work up an analog signal to stabilize, to (; (thanks to the built-in TBCs) and then s.den PC; via FireWire) to guide next to it then lossless DV AVI format to digitize ... VCR Combo devices save at the very outset of compressed and lossy MPEG-2 format.
"instant doodle" wrote:
Do I have here a well-shielded Scart cable with gold plate connector to buy so that the image signal which of my VHS recorder does not come too s.Qualität decreasing? Überhaut still makes sense?
Well, if now a gold-plated connector brings so much more than a gilded, I can not tell, but you should have generally use a high quality scart cable ...
"instant doodle" wrote:
Unfortunately, I fear will make my current VHS recorder with not so long and I really do not know where I still reasonable herbekomme VHS recorder.
Well, as already written, you ought to digitization, which is made real in the rule only once, use a good player. Whether you are buying a new device to separate and then sell it again afterwards (; vllt ebay), or give your current device benutzst (and if it is not yet abgedreschen and worn out) is to let you ... New VHS recorders have become rare indeed, but there are still in electrical markets, but not SVHS devices that actually would be better for the digitization of VHS and SVHS tapes, since these generally better quality than VHS recorders ...
Antwort von pilskopf:
So I got my times a Pinnacle Dazzle Video Creator Platinum video card purchased and must say, 1a. Had a perfect copies of my tapes, no loss is recorded directly as vob files and can be seamlessly edited.
Antwort von JMS Productions:
"pilskopf" wrote:
... is stored directly as vob files and can be seamlessly edited.
An MPEG-2 format in a VOB container file is not suitable for very detailed editing. The editing format is still and will remain DV-AVI, but this is synonymous with a compression of 5:1 is not lossless, but a lot of low-loss, as MPEG-2 or even MPEG-4. This Grabberboxen can supply isolated, more or less good solution (; tatens I unfortunately do not, so I then switched to the Professional version with the ADVC-300 which I also can do as a base to use when cutting TV preview), but professional digital grabber, these parts but not dar. ..
Antwort von pilskopf:
But for archiving already Not bad. He has not written so that he still wants to cut the old cassettes and for archiving, the solution I've been perceived as the best option. Also I can easily cut the lossless files. We have the data in no time to stop the plate and so expensive is such a Dazzle not do it. So I was perfectly happy with that part, simply because Plug and Play is and I previously tried with Virtual Dub was always desperate to capture. With the Dazzle, I had all of trouble.
Antwort von Yerri:
Here is a very good device which I can fully recommend. Very simple handling and a really good copy quality. The previous model had very often to use the device as it synonymous after copying its VHS collection to record on DVD (; RAM), hard drive, or can even use on VHS * g *. The built-in Freeview tuner with EPG programming I find synonymous class.
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a342570.html
Antwort von instantnudel:
"JMS Productions wrote:
An MPEG-2 format in a VOB container file is not suitable for very detailed editing. The editing format is still and will remain DV-AVI, but this is synonymous with a compression of 5:1 is not lossless, but a lot of low-loss, as MPEG-2 or even MPEG-4. This Grabberboxen can supply isolated, more or less good solution (; tatens I unfortunately do not, so I then switched to the Professional version with the ADVC-300 which I also can do as a base to use when cutting TV preview), but professional digital grabber, these parts but not dar. ..
One more question before I buy it vielleich ADVC-300 or the like. If I can receive only digital signals, then the ADVC-300 nützlos, right? What resolution spits out ADVC-300 via firewire?
Antwort von JMS Productions:
"instant doodle" wrote:
If I can receive only digital signals, then the ADVC-300 nützlos, right? What resolution spits out ADVC-300 via firewire?
What do you mean with "digital signals"? The ADVC-300 is a "ANALOG-DIGITAL converters" and turns (and just as the name suggests), said analog signals (; VHS, SVHS, VHS-C, SVHS-C, and to many more) into digital signals. Consequently, you need such a device only to Sampling material to digitize. Digital material is and remains in digital format. I guess what you think is the DVB digital television, right? That you do not need ADVC, but if you want to record digital TV on your PC, you will need a correspondingly DVB card for the PC. It is that simple, but not at all, since the digital tv in almost all providers in Germany (; scrambled up to KabelBW) is, so you can forget your DVB card ...
See here: http://forum.slashcam.de/2-vt60929.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=fernsehsendungen+verlustfrei&&start=35
If you want to record your analog television set, the ADVC again be useful, since the quality should be better than when you have an analog TV program on VHS cassette are capturing first and then digitalisierst of the cassette. But why start now some films from the Internet, which gibts eh all get in 1a quality as a DVD or a television recording from the transmitter to ...
The converter I would only use it to private material to digitize ...
The ADVC spits on the FireWire DV-AVI format (, PAL format) with the standard SD resolution 720x576
Antwort von instantnudel:
"JMS Productions wrote:
But why start now some films from the Internet, which gibts eh all get in 1a quality as a DVD or a television recording from the transmitter to ...
That's just it. It's just a one-time thing. Today, I take only items that I want to watch and only later be dubbed. I file for over 10 years any more. I only watch good movies on DVD.
I weigh just previously mentioned it to me is 15 years old VHS tapes to digitize. In addition, I have not touched it for over 10 years, cassettes, because I was already a scared synonymous has left a track to play more wear through. It may be that I look at the equipment entprechen free household with (; ADVC-300 + SVHS recorder da) the cassettes have been irretrievably High :-(;
Antwort von pilskopf:
Then get to such a Dazzle, which costs only a fraction.
Antwort von JMS Productions:
"instant doodle" wrote:
That's just it. It's just a one-time thing.
Precisely, that is the hurry up before it's too late!
"instant doodle" wrote:
I weigh just previously mentioned it to me is 15 years old VHS tapes to digitize. In addition, I have not touched it for over 10 years, cassettes, because I was already a scared synonymous has left a track to play more wear through.
So 15 years is indeed a bit dated, but not so determined Deart old that everything is already too late. If you have not touched the tapes for 10 years, which can be either good, bad as synonymous. Good thing is that you have not created through frequent playing wear. The bad news is: If you lagerst the tapes for a longer period, you should tape every 1 time per year in the fast-track durchspulen completely, so you prevent that the tape sticks together and rub off the tracks together. Did you do it?
Otherwise, if it is irretrievable material, why you still are thinking whether it's worth, digitize them? In Shooting and TV recordings, I would say: Let it rather buy you the DVD of it. But if there are selbstgefilmte memories, yes boy, what are you waiting for? Do you think by adding your ligaments further 15 years just leave you alone, you take care of things improving? Save her into the digital age, before it's too late, because eventually your tapes are no longer legible! With each playing a deterioration of the quality in digital, since you can play as much as you want. Quality remains constant.
"instant doodle" wrote:
It may be that I look at the equipment entprechen free household with (; ADVC-300 + SVHS recorder da) the cassettes have been irretrievably High :-(;
Where do you want to know that they are "irreparably" if you have not touched it 10 years? Too late it is, I think not, but soon, if you do not now, finally digitalisierst. And nothing you have found these devices to not, the ADVC-300 you can rent the week of synonymous Digitalschnitt.de and return after work again, that would be cheaper if there are not many bands that you want to digitize.
But if you want to play it safe, that you rausholt from your tapes still the best that is possible, then a specialist company responsible for the dubbing. Look at past and send Behrendt.TV Markus (: which is the holder of Behrendt.TV and was formerly employed at Slashcam here as a moderator) a request mail. The Prices are synonymous to dub really OK and the quality seems to be quite good (: what you can hear it, even I have not been charged Mark).
Write him at times when needed, who know from super with the matter, and you certainly can help;)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"JMS Productions wrote:
... the ADVC-300 can borrow it back after work ... and again ...
Above all, it can be synonymous erstmal borrow and - if you still want to buy it then leave - full credit for the rental fee. Convenient and if in doubt, better it is, however, if you do Mark leaves. He not only has the best technology for it, but can handle it synonymous.
Antwort von versage:
hello, there is not even synonymous Service The ingest of the VHS or other tape formats take on? I think the purchase of hardware you could save yourself.
Greeting fail
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The thread starter has since 24.5. not obsession. In so far as one can now only make more guesses.
If he ever wants to continue to record programs from television, with DVD Burners Ferstplattenrecorder would be the first choice.
This acquisition would certainly be cheaper than a professional dubbing and could be used next.
It looks at the AD converters different. These are unnecessary after work, because next recording "hopefully be" digitally.
Antwort von versage:
agrees with the starter is offline.
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If he ever wants to continue to record programs from television, with DVD Burners Ferstplattenrecorder would be the first choice.
How safe are the hard drive recorder? DVD are 10 years or preserved?
I would like my material like photos and to secure better external This may further process via an online video database.
Does anyone know anything?
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Antwort von thos-berlin:
But you can, for example when WEB.DE your data store. Access via FTP.
But I would like prinzipell synonymous again on my thoughts in another thread indicates, in the synonymous (Du; fail) on the theme already diskutierst. External hard drive, what?
Antwort von versage:
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But you can, for example when WEB.DE your data store. Access via FTP.
Thanks for the tip. Here I am with my photos and have good Experience with it. In my view, but not useful for video material.
I lack the processing ability, possibly Clipvorschau.
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Antwort von versage:
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We see that (the Internet, currently) suitable for video is at best a Ditributionsmedium (; faster uplink provided by a benefit provider), but certainly not for his own ambitions, and hardly suitable for archiving.
if your thoughts are, I agree with you.
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Antwort von thos-berlin:
I am not a platform known when you upload the raw material, auto, get a preview cut and there can still synonymous.
If you want to back up your data, then do it with WEB.DE. No more and no less.
The processing of you doing with the local original with you at home and in side view only the result back to the FTP server. The external backup Solte but only in the case of average to be reloaded.
For the reputation of video material vonunterwegs You can also use the FTP or load the whole thing on YouTube and associates and look there.
