what experience have you, as long as their cut of the raw material into a finished product is required, as in a wedding video?
Regards Kai
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Treasures times, because there can be no general answer to it. That depends on how much you have Romaterial. And with how many cameras were filmed. And how high your finished product are s.das claims. Have s.einem 60 min film ever about 60-70 hours sat! Can of course go longer synonymous. The last wedding video were an estimated 25 to 30 hours. WITHOUT dubbing on the PC and WITHOUT Encoding and authoring! Get caught on something. The better your planning prior to the recording is, the easier it gets behind.
Antwort von schumi65:
Oh yes, because the reality temporal worlds, according to the desired goal :-) So I did as a hobby filmmakers such as the cut of the video tape 60minuten leave about 7-8 hours, and had the tape on s.Ende concise 20 minutes cut. I overdubbed myself and not synonymous with effects of all kinds held back. The worst for me in the process of me to separate scenes, because you have to be consistent, otherwise s.Ende of the 60 minutes is still 40 on - and all viewers are bored. Effects take you about 25-30% of average work. But like I said, I'm and amateur filmmakers put themselves still in its infancy.
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Have 5 hours last Sunday before a 1.5 min sat scene that I wanted Nachvertonen, then I have not given up because I've found the right piece.
Antwort von beiti:
My last wedding video is already a few years back, so data from the long-term memory ...
I think I have 5 hours of raw material 3 afternoons made rough to about 30 minutes of film to come. Then again, I have 2 afternoons spent the transitions to refine (adjust sound level, Sound-/Bildschnitt against them, if necessary, blend), color and the finish should make (Black screen, title, Auf-/Abblende).
Antwort von Chezus:
I wrote a music clip within a few hours cut. For another, with almost the same length I sat 4 times as long on it.
At the moment I am sitting s.einem Christmas gift. In about 35 minutes long. I am sitting there every day at least 1.5 hours on it since 3 weeks and there is still no end in sight.
Every time I find something I do not like it, I changed it, what's to better the picture, add title add, delete titles, what to make again.
The rough can be quite quickly, if you have a good organization. I am 3 cameras for a concert recording. The cut is rather over when the cameras are gone synchronous.
If you have 4 cameras, but, at the beginning of one until the middle of the concert ended, the other of the middle to the end, the next only the environment .... Because you need to first sort.
And the capture takes just as long as is always the shooting 1:1 because everything is transferred via firewire.
All very time -
Antwort von schumi65:
Chezus wrote:
Quote:
At the moment I am sitting s.einem Christmas gift. In about 35 minutes long. I am sitting there every day at least 1.5 hours on it since 3 weeks and there is still no end in sight.
But! On 24 December, you must be ready :-) Cheer up, are still 23 days and a few hours ...
Antwort von Axel:
"KaiBelow" wrote:
... for example, for a wedding video?
My first, from just under two hours and 20 minutes raw material finished film required approximately 50 hours. Since I arrived at my lump sum at the time agreed allowance of ¬ 200 on an hourly (seed-and rotation time and material costs deducted) of 2-3 euros. Not included are my investments in hardware and software, as well as the time to me in my leisure autodidactic (with free support from the Slashcam users, less synonymous if I ask as Klugscheißer, I learn a lot here querbeet, thank you) for this task to qualify.
Good planning and with the slight adjustments, "Schema F" in use today, I need 4-5 hours. Time code notes during direct recording capturing, loveless Einhacken of Subclip in-outs, pulling down into the timeline. Look, without interruption, but in the spirit of some trim bodies noted. Here and there selbstgebastelte filter (mostly color) over it, the music of the couple's desire here and there and a ausgefaded, in the end a couple of tastefully simple title s.zum and export, while I go jogging, to the hard drive to delete (healthier and cheaper than in the pub).
If I were a movie (caution: Art!) Doing, every second is tricky. Own Music, awkward animations and compositing, counting the hours I do not. The audio mix (only for stereo!) Increases slightly to 30 tracks, you can probably imagine how long this lasts. Ars gratia artis.
Antwort von lxRox:
hi
My rule of thumb for simple cut, without a lot of effects and dubbing are approximately 8-fold time of raw material
-> 1h Raw material -> 8 h average.
so, I actually quite good at calculations.
with effects, sound, and permits can be synonymous like the double time need.
rockon lx rox
Antwort von steveb:
"KaiBelow" wrote:
Hello,
what experience have you, as long as their cut of the raw material into a finished product is required, as in a wedding video?
Regards Kai
I guess you will not really collect anything with these statements can be anything if you do not to your own abilities relativise can.
Creativity, speed, and technical and produtionsrelevante techniques in a measurable unit to bring will never succeed. There are now times are not generally valid.
So you do not synonymous come around, your own "measurement" performed.
Antwort von OSCHSPICE:
Hello from Hochrhein
Remember it with the cut alone will not ist.Mindestens done exactly as much time do you need for the "good sound" - a comment will be written and spoken, mixing etc. I voted for the current Holiday film, raw materials 4 hours to about 50 min film brought about 50 hours. This is the time irrelevant eigendlich it counts only what, back, out at the end. The time is playing with me as a pure amateur filmmakers as not matter. Otherwise it looks when you get your money so deserving, but that's probably a different site.
Best regards Günther
Antwort von OSCHSPICE:
"Anonymous" wrote:
This is the time irrelevant eigendlich it counts only what, back, out at the end.
That's right, I need a lot of time always synonymous with me back to what clever rauskommt. :)
But it is true verbeisse do not so much at the time, do your thing and you'll find out with time, how long for what you need. There are also people who are fast and others do not. Mainly the result is right.
Antwort von curtis:
"lxRox" wrote:
hi
My rule of thumb for simple cut, without a lot of effects and dubbing are approximately 8-fold time of raw material
-> 1h Raw material -> 8 h average.
so, I actually quite good at calculations.
with effects, sound, and permits can be synonymous like the double time need.
rockon lx rox
Does this rule in principle, because in your projects? Is your relationship because of twisted material and material used is always the same?
I am currently a total of 34 hours prior to the material, resulting in several different trailers etc occur. For simple editing including titles in After Effects and I Tonnachbearbeitung is currently at around 10 hours of work for 1 hour output.
The combinations resulting in an average session is composed so diverse that I use the example above only as synonymous for themselves want. On a SDE I have been synonymous material 4 hours on a trailer of 4 minutes in 40 minutes with opening titles animation and cut. It is in fact mostly a question of the project and the quality of the final product. The actual speed of a cutter, you can only watch to determine when, or by using very similar projects as a benchmark is. Who the first time, a cutter for example, a news program has seen know what I mean. I hardly think that a lot of flying without shutteln cut. But even then the final product is again absolutely miles away to serve as a benchmark in comparison with, for example, an image film with rich Compositinggehalt to serve.
That speed so here is hard to compare bothers me only in conjunction with customers who are usually completely without clue extremely foolish in terms of workload are. But that is just.
Antwort von OSCHSPICE:
Quote:
as long as their cut of the raw material into a finished product is required
until he is ready
Antwort von Bernd E.:
To say it with Steven Spielberg to say: "Movies are never finished, they're just abandoned."
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von OSCHSPICE:
approximately 1h per minute can it ever be ...
Antwort von Wiro:
Hello, the sender to pay for cutter-hour, as follows: Maximum 1 hr 1 min spent on film.
If more time is needed, must be justified, for example:
"But the editor I was constantly disturbed, constantly wanted anything else and has during the cut at least 50x called his boss, if you think it's one way or the other should do ..."
;-))) Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Steven S.:
"Bernd E." wrote:
To say it with Steven Spielberg to say: "Movies are never finished, they're just abandoned."
Gruß Bernd E.
wonderful quote! * Applause * :-)
Antwort von curtis:
"Wiro" wrote:
"But the editor I was constantly disturbed, constantly wanted anything else and has during the cut at least 50x called his boss, if you think it's one way or the other should do ..."
;-))) Gruss Wiro
* grins
It's not just watching TV ;-) That with the hours / minutes invoice so I know of only a few areas, eg magazine articles. And here we are again at the same point. Is that a contribution is made through a hall with companies spent 1h supplied material or even of yesterday's evening gala, with 6 hours and great material right hand s.Shuttle. Or vll but rather something with b2b bond with people from industry and 578 phone calls and whether and how what may be put and whether Mr X more often than Mr Y must occur.
For the transmitter you cut? Other .. especially as regards;)
Antwort von Wiro:
Curtis @ You have recognized the situation? Na klasse. I make the only way and once again incidentally. Have a few contacts with the media mafia and so am always up to date what's on ...
What exactly are you doing in the industry? Although OT is now, but I am interested. Gruss Wiro
Antwort von grovel:
Hm, the few times where I have so what could be there was something always in front Reinhartshausen discussed. Say, editor, cameraman and editors met filmed before the contribution was made ten minutes brainstorming how this should be built, and so was the whole then synonymous through. For the 5 minutes then contributions were never more than 40 minutes turning the material, the whole was cut together rapidly (approx. 2 hours) and of the editorial reviewt. Done. But I can already imagine that the s.and too chaotic to be synonymous and her will, ultimately television journalism is still a game with rules and if the camera delivers a clean woman, then keep the effort in subsequent borders. Quite differently, it is obviously in a longer project. When shooting, every cut to be reviewed, you have countless takes and careful planning to prevent a chaos, but do not work in post production.
Nonetheless, I think that planning the A and O is. Especially at weddings (really not my specialty area) shall be subject to a clean approach will help, a meeting with the wedding planner is essential, there is nothing doofes as if the camera crew is not there when it goes to the cause. Establishingshots and close-up shots of the bridge may not be synonymous missing, who for four hours filming the bride and groom will be no film s.Schluss get together. The best wedding movie I have ever seen was also only 20 minutes long, 30-40 probably go even synonymous, but the ugly 4-hour, which synonymous of "professional" teams will be produced but are probably a nerve and often the best evidence that the film produced in 10h, but had no idea how they of A to B came.
SeeYa Groveler
Antwort von Axel:
"Groveler" wrote:
... who for four hours filming the bride and groom will be no film s.Schluss get together.
When I next wrote above that I am for 20 minutes of film from 2 hours of raw material 50 to 5 hours editing I come, then, not least because my material to about 40 minutes concentrated. Waiting for the inevitable must be filled with tension. The excitement when the bride geschminkt (the make-synonymous is not cheap), the naive anticipation of children, all in a very manipulative reportage, hackneyed, but always effective. The soaps pimp your home, you know so synonymous that the new kitchen Koslowskis the like, will still generate an artificial tension, to keep up is brilliant climax. Whether the whole IKEA Schnickschnack the new owners of their gross motor grown will be interested afterwards no pig.
Antwort von ole_mueller:
"Wiro" wrote:
Curtis @ What exactly are you doing in the industry? Although OT is now, but I am interested. Gruss Wiro
I was a good year and many freelancers have a very good cross-section through many areas. Image & Film Industry, documentation and various animations hauptsächl. for a large German. Company and then again a colorful collage of live production SDE `s on business events and, yes exactly wedding films. From January, I am salaried and head into an agency for multimedia, and event services to the film sector. Then the synonymous not much different, I must just run the said 678 calls. Similar situations to the cutting sessions with editor at TV for example, I would perform something:
Context: Premium Business Event on 3 days. Broad coverage of the event with several camera crews. Live in the hall, only to 2Teams "Moods" Fang and 2 teams for the whole day just interviews.
Finished about 35 hours material. 3 weeks later, some things have been cut: Call the representative of the company that organized the whole thing: "Would great if ... blabla and so dan NEN compilation, so Imagefilm for us with the most important statements of the event, because I'm at lunch."
At midday, then "arrived" only because it is incredibly cool as office stallion again "to the agency" to drive. Then this man sitting next to me totally stressed out and the first sentence: "I need so to 15.00" Meanwhile shocks me that not even a little more. Schocken doing me the situation s.sich how much money is spent here at the same time with zero understanding of workload and / or quality. The good man had 5 days before a DVD with 234 excerpts from the event, that is vorgefilterte statements from the event. He does not look draufgeworfen. Na klar. And the worst thing is that the result do even so much about another agency for future projects from the race to throw. I'm usually happy if I have enough info to have abdominal bandages correct title. The post production of this project has so far good 5 digit sums swallowed, the local production still more. The Event plus mcih Post ran for something like this from: Event - capturing and sorting - 2 weeks of vacation because no one reports and all departments of the customer with the appropriate material for viewing and are good then 2 weeks, 100 hours each to the deadlines the customer is still somehow to be met. Or half a year ago. Imagefilm, 5 digit production. I make of camera script and compositing to cut everything. First Meeting with Client takes 3 hours in which the script is prepared. After completion of the production comes 3.Draft pages of the script of the customer, with which the first has nothing in common. And then from the material with the script to do nothing has a Imagefilm tinker. We had already synonymous once 5 days s.einem film sat around after a new contact person from a customer to obtain, since the first of the 5 days we sat in the studio so that its remit had exceeded. So again all of the front and customer zahtl just nearly twice the amount for post-production. My experience: The more bigger the company, the more chaos, the more inflated volume and even more frustration and joy at the same time on the status of bank account and especially the more policy.
Antwort von Wiro:
Thanks for the detailed info. Cool, because what you write. Wishes in the new job you all the best and much success.
And the 678 calls would reduce as far as possible in future to a maximum of one third! ;-) Gruss Wiro
