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16:9 Ausgabe - links und rechts wird abgeschnitten

Issue 16:9 - left and right is cut off



Frage von DocMarten:
Oktober 2008

Hi,

what am I doing wrong? The following situation:

Have an animation project with After Effects and created the beginning of the HDV 1280/720 created, the future safety sake. As my client but Mom still outputs of DVD, I must be yes runterechnen and 720/576 on the basis of just 16:9, which I do in AE with the "MPEG-DVD profile.

I hunt all the authoring software to burn to DVD do I get all sorts of settings for left and right up a considerable part of the truncated 720 pixels, so a total of approximately 10% or less till and on tubes and TFTs in which no preference settings devices. However, every player on a PC properly.

?

Unfortunately, I must say that I as an authoring software currently only available Nero Vision did, Premiere and Encore is well, hopefully soon.

Thank you in advance in advance!

Doc



Antwort von david2:

This is quite normal (and is not s.irgendwelchen programs). Is holding the overscan of the Television.
(This should get from storyboard to post production note.)



Antwort von WoWu:

Doc
As I have understood you move is no longer in the 16:9 AR but only in 4:3 ..
Then may be because there are two different pixels in SD are:
Ouadratische (768x576 (4:3)) and slightly rectangular (720x576 (PAL-CCIR 601) with the aspect ratio of 5:4. This probably did you get from AE.
If you now 5:4 on a 4:3 monitor display, you only changing the horizontal representation, because of course 576 as constant size of the number of rows remains unchanged.








Antwort von Wiro:

Hello,
I rather think that the overscan with the case.

On the PC is everything to see on TV are 10% off.
Both tubes as synonymous TFTs / Plasmas have a default overscan built. In some (more expensive) the TFTs can be off, but is normal overscan display.

The customer will have to live, the film makers will be his film as "Construct" must be that the overscan is taken into account.
Greeting Wiro



Antwort von WoWu:

That I do not actually have TFT's no Overscann because he really only the geometry deviations caused by aging, component failures and voltage fluctuations in the plastic disc the picture tube has obscured.
It does not have fewer or more pixels than the 52 shown ys are still just that one piece of plastic that is about s.Bildschirmrand and had the "crap" could no longer see.
In this respect, there is no overscan electrically.
And the device Overscan s.den Studio (tube) monitors, switches so easy to 64ys of 52ys, so to Austastlücke incl.
To that extent reduce the overscan really a piece of plastic and is electrically non-existent at all.
What many people mean is the "Safe Title" or "Safe Action" area. The only describes the picture and is cut in RP27.3 SMPTE or ITU-R BT.1379-1 set.

These geometry variations and plastic parts, there is no longer in TFT. Ganz earlier times there were such "pre-war models, which made the picture bigger task to make it then again to curtail .... (I do not even know what the well should be) but those were the early days of the pixels ... Interpoliererei this senseless and has no contraindications synonymous with love of the buyers found.

I truly believe he has the wrong SD ratio, because if you have a 5:4 to 4:3, are 1.25: 1.33. The picture is thus theoretically by a factor greater than the heist, the black bars are a bit narrow, but synonymous with the horizontal expansion .... and on his computer monitor, he has the correct form of pixels .... na, mal sehn, and he will certainly tell.



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"WoWu" wrote:
That I do not actually have TFT's no Overscann, (..)
To that extent reduce the overscan really a piece of plastic and is electrically non-existent at all.

They are wrong, Mr. Wunderlich. The factory is s.handelsüblichen flat TVs (LCD or plasma plays no role) of the overscan enabled. In most cases it can be, at least for HD signals off s.den Panasonic plasma (ob's synonymous for the smaller LCD models of the brand is, I do not know), it is largely synonymous for the analog inputs and the tuner is reduced.



Antwort von WoWu:

That would mean that no Flachsmann the pixel number of graphic cards shows ... but it is so.
So how should this "Overscann" defined? What should he do?
There are clear technical information or just marketing names again in prospectuses.



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"WoWu" wrote:
That would mean that no Flachsmann the pixel number of graphic cards shows ... but it is so.

If you have overscan off: of course. The factory, he is switched on but
"WoWu" wrote:
So how should this "Overscann" defined?

That makes each Manufacturer under discretion. The 'audiovision' can be seen in their TV tests bother him and auszumessen indicated.
"WoWu" wrote:
What should he do?

He fits the picture so that it is that of a normal CRT TVs (with overscan) is similar. Besides the overscan hides, for example, by switching the head resulting Geflimmer s.unteren screen of VHS or Hi8 recordings - or around the edges of the picture window at the many film scans. With regard to the overscan makes you so often are quite aware.
"WoWu" wrote:
There are clear technical information or just marketing names again in prospectuses.

In the manual directly in the menu of the devices look. Time's called Overscan, Full time, "Just Scan" - whatever ...



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Quadruplex

Thank you for the additional hints.
I had synonymous compatriots times and it's apparently here to see the "duplicity" of the terms, because these functions is used today (some call it synonymous Manufacturer see above), a ZOOM.
It was thought, possibly too small to see what images eg from 704 to avoid the black borders to fill the screen to enlarge.
That explains synonymous, that such functions do not find Monitors.
Of course, this is something else, as the cover edges in the image tube equipment. (which is nothing was electric).

Bearing in mind now, therefore, that the thread starter described the effects on a TV monitor, then it is obviously possible that a zoomed picture is not more fully represented.
I was so far in the term interpretation of the original proceedings and not out of a zoom function.

It follows that we have in this case two different things, which merely use the same term.

I take this opportunity synonymous found that when using this feature of HDMI on forced shutdown in the TV must lead. Maybe you want to do such effects and "lost image of" prevent.
Time, quite apart from the fact that interpolated images so not synonymous, are really pretty.
In that sense, thank you again for the hints ...
I have taken it synonymous, but that it is the future not only with monitors, but synonymous with televisions back detail, must ...
Due to the many additional functions is yes but then again quite considerably's Picture intervened and I thought, at the monitors would be pretty fierce ...
Besten Gruss



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"WoWu" wrote:
I had synonymous compatriots times and it's apparently here to see the "duplicity" of the terms, because these functions is used today (some call it synonymous Manufacturer see above), a ZOOM.

Technically you are right, Mr. Wunderlich. However, the functions s.Consumer TVs separately. Even if you switch off the zoom, you will have when it is not separated disable overscan. Here is a
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For example. There are synonymous HD receiver, without overscan s.Bildrand a flickering row / column display, which can disrupt synonymous.
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As far as I know (but I do not know all monitors ...), it is basically s.denen the overscan on or off.
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That is not said. Modern CRT would have been yes in the factory so you can easily that it is the picture within the frame enclosure write, so it is completely visible. On CRT monitors (see above), the so synonymous.
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The factory setting is for the majority of TVs in fact the best selling space (light, distance to the TV more than the customer in the living room). Almost all "Bildverbesserer" but let off.




Antwort von WoWu:

Hello Quadruplex

Thanks for further hints and synonymous for the link.
Unfortunately I could not really it shows what this function exactly causes. Maybe it brings standard sizes (1920) full screen on a "crooked" Resolution? Guess!
In any case, it really seems to be that the TV sets throughout massively intervene in the Picture and, of course, what we always tried to avoid the viewer simply forward: Interpolation
Perhaps that is synonymous why HDMI aims to counteract this, even though HDMI is at least as massive mitmischt and Resolutions 704, for example, simply to 720 pixels with auffüllt.
(Only one way to prevent the interpolation of course, what all the paint is better)
As you can see already, on the consumer level, you have to look very closely. I have it taken away at any rate.
If it is really the ultimate question of whether TV really apparatus for use s.einem NLE are suitable. The more one learns about, the more inappropriate they seem ... and the second question, which is (once again) is, of course, presents the question whether such actions the images really still have a chance in the original resolution to be presented synonymous, with other words, "cheat" the TV equipment in relation Resolutions similar to the retail shops such as the camcorder?
I mean, an "honest" monitor is a good thing ..

Perhaps we learn of DocMarten yes synonymous nor what his problem because now been.

Gruss



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Quadruplex

Short demand:
I think I now have the complete explanation for the "overscan", an adventure story .. are you still interested or is the issue off the table?
Gruss W.








Antwort von Debonnaire:

"DocMarten" wrote:
... a non-significant part ...

So, if the truncated part, as you say, "not significant", then yes, you have no problem and can get over the loss of pixels! In a significant proportion, would cut off the DA, you should of course try to solve problem! ;-)



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"WoWu" wrote:
are you still interested or is the issue off the table?

I think I know everything there is to know the issue exists. But if others want to know more, they are stirring.



Antwort von WoWu:

Congratulations, everything that you would ...
... one wonders just why are you not managed to explain it correctly. That may be synonymous, but a question of his entitlement.
Sei's drum.



Antwort von Martin Dienert:

Quote:
I think I now have the complete explanation for the "overscan", an adventure story .. are you still interested or is the issue off the table?

So I would already be interested.

Martin



Antwort von WoWu:

Hello Martin,

'm on Your Web Page gone ...



Antwort von Debonnaire:

"WoWu" wrote:
...'m on Your Web Page gone ...

Yes and?



Antwort von WoWu:

...? and what .... ?



Antwort von Quadruplex:

"WoWu" wrote:
Congratulations, everything that you would ...

Oh, Mr. Wunderlich - this is something very cheap ... "Do" the way, you write with a sharp or double-S.
"WoWu" wrote:
... one wonders just why are you not managed to explain it correctly.

Mr. Wunderlich: If you believe a mistake to have schwadronieren you do not ambiguous, but write what thing.
"WoWu" wrote:
That may be synonymous, but a question of his entitlement.

Yes, you have unmasked me. I never wanted to be the story of the overscan write. I only pointed out that he synonymous s.modernen TVs usually s.Werk enabled.
Hasta la vista!



Antwort von Debonnaire:

"WoWu" wrote:
...? and what .... ?

Exactly, "and what"? You're on Martin's website has gone ... Beautiful! And this is why we need to know?








Antwort von WoWu:

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