If someone here in the forum asked for a Micro, he usually gets back 2 questions: 1. What for? (Atmo, concert, birthday party ,...) 2. How expensive?
Strangely, the then afterwards, however, usually not more accurate and ultimately is broken then it's just about the price ...
Mir is yes - as a layman - even clear that there are different polar patterns (ball to leg, MS). And mine is still synonymous clear that a birthday party after another technique is required as a concert recording.
But somehow it all ends up back at the 3-4 standard microphones in the field of 100 - 300. (of Hama to t.bone)
What is required because of what (ie, for example: "Home Video" (Children's), nature documentary out there, concert ...)?
Ever thought Thanks for the clarification!
Gruss
Thomas
Antwort von Pianist:
"ThomasSV" wrote:
But somehow it all ends up back at the 3-4 standard microphones in the field of 100 - 300. (of Hama to t.bone)
But only because I am in such matters always think back ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von Jerzu:
Mattihas as would be the Sennheiser MKH16 with wind basket, pistol and Windfell s.der Angel ampfehlen. The MKH 418 as Stereomikroon s.der Camera and Atmoaufnahmen for a Neumann Stereoset sämlichem with accessories. The price will be up for everything together for about 5000 ¬
Others would simply write the t.bone em9600 sufficient.
Antwort von Markus:
"ThomasSV" wrote:
But somehow it all ends up back at the 3-4 standard micros ...
This is probably due to the fact that most users just want to have microphones, on the camcorder to be driven.
In (classical) concerts, I for example the Røde NT-5 Stereoset On. This provides a very natural sound, but you need synonymous just a few meters (!) And two cable Tripods. Such a cost (!) But not many want to drive, let alone an entire tape and mikrofonieren spot of hand mixing.
Antwort von camtv:
Ui, I think here is the Dipl. tonmeister René exactly right!
What are you?
Rhode? Scrap! Neumann U87 ...... lol
Antwort von hieronvision:
So I did tbone em9600 and am so far from being satisfied. at one meter distance you hear almost nothing except more noise. The thing is really only for close-ups, at least when it depends directly s.der Camera (over Mignon cell powered). Otherwise, we should perhaps go NEN mixer. And what cost? Much too much. So maybe once again ordinary n Micro buy. Think about just what I get of Sennheiser. How can someone from there, with what I WITHOUT warring blender sound recordings? Camera permits manual level.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
first time poster here has achieved 95% of a maximum price of 100 ¬ or 300 ¬ max. Since I do not need with Matthias 5000 ¬ equipment, if needed, he clarifies the willing like to - I think at least.
These are two articles where we're exactly on the price and usefulness of the desire Intressenten received.
Less than 100 ¬ are the best times (depending on application)
XLR:
- T Bone 9600 - Richtw - mono) - T-Bone 9900 (phantom power only - Richtw mono)
3.5 mm jack:
- Hama RMZ 12 & 14 (stereo) - Hama RMZ 10 (Richtw - mono) - Rode Videomic (Richtw - mono) - Sennheiser MKE 300 (Richtw - mono) - Panasonic VMS 2 (stereo but with directivity possibility) - SonyHST 1 (stereo - Sony Active Interface Shoe) - Canon DM 50 (active shoe Canon cameras - about 160 ¬) - Edirol CS 15 - Stereo - Stereo slip tip for around 100 ¬
From a good 200 ¬ to 400 ¬
TRS: Beyer-Dynamic MCE 86 S II Cam) 3.5 mm jack with battery-powered Richtw - mono
XLR: Beyer-Dynamic MCE 86 II only phantom power - Richtw - mono Beyer-Dynamic MCE 86 S II, with battery power - Richtw - mono Sennheiser ME-66 with its associated food section (richtw - mono) Rode NTG 2 - Richtw - mono)
XLR and mini-jack 3.5 mm
Beyer Dynamic MCE-72 (stereo - Precautionary XLR 5 pole and unbalanced! - Battery powered)
These are the most popular and most used microphones price class. There are of course even more special for the SonyAIS parts, but I do not list all of them again.
What camera are you using and what do you want to record is about and where your limit?
VG Jan
Antwort von Pianist:
"Jan" wrote:
Since I do not need with Matthias 5000 ¬ equipment, if needed, he clarifies the willing like to - I think at least.
Of course I would do it, but I appreciate times like this, that the people who want to use those microphones, it is not necessary to have more, check here ... :-)
BTW: A U87 is designed for exterior shots filmed entirely inappropriate, but the writer knows the said course.
Matthias
Antwort von Jan:
This agrees well Matthias.
Even I, as a non-professional in the sense of Matthias, it is but for a Consumer Prosumer & not so difficult to understand what and when needed. Also, I've already successfully sold material without now with the professionalism (years of experience and the finest equipment) and the budget of Matthias s.den day to go.
Stereo microphone effect - Atmo - so synonymous ambient noise are required
Directivity Micro mostly mono - Atmogeräusche are in principle undesirable, just like it comes as the interview in a clear voice of the interview, noises such as a husteln or quietly in front of Music trällernde are undesirable.
Depending on the desired combined synonymous microphones, there are several synonymous Mono characteristics.
I guess the sound at concerts if possible directly from the main mixer, but if only with XLR Camera. Other skillfully place several microphones in the concert hall, even the sound of other notes from the mixer to a DAT recorder to - there are so many ways synonymous in Prosumerklasse.
VG Jan
Antwort von Pianist:
"Jan" wrote:
Also, I've already successfully sold material without now with the professionalism (years of experience and the finest equipment) and the budget of Matthias s.den day to go.
Experience and knowledge is clearly more important than the possession of the most expensive microphones. If you're basically on the effect of various types of microphone polar patterns and their decision and know above all synonymous choose the correct installation, then you get good microphones with medium shots out better than if someone has expensive microphones, but it can not handle.
So I would say for example if someone is only one ME 66 / K 6 instead of an MKH 60 and MKH 416 buys, and the difference in money in a basket windshields, pen holder, and Angel's hair, he has more of it and make better outdoor shots .
Matthias
Antwort von ThomasSV:
Hi Jan
"Jan" wrote:
Hello,
first time poster here has achieved 95% of a maximum price of 100 ¬ or 300 ¬ max.
That's true only in part. I wanted with this thread grad is not the price in the foreground, but the application. The man then comes out in 100-300, may well be.
So, say: What are the characteristics (and nat. Qualiflyer synonymous AKA price) do I need for - Birthday (or any other "hobby" in-house recordings) - Concerts - Outside (animals, landscape, etc.)
Because I actually am a layman and amateur, is what's probably priced in the 100-500 Euro segment. But I know so do not even know if I like a ball now OKM Soundman / earwig or a stereo MCE 72 Cardioid as needed ....
Conclusion: I want at least the "amateur" aspect somewhat mitigated ;-)
Antwort von Jan:
I always fall back on, the contributions will not be completely read.
To make it short, there is no Microphone for all applications. One must, unfortunately, are what decide. The one or the other like MCE 86 II can be synonymous Atmo Micro made, it is not completely fixed directivity. Because it is simply a test with the Microphone making Headphones to gain control and to hear whether the sound for yourself in the situation well enough.
Number 1 - Birthday --
Example 1 - I want to be a / several children "interview", so no Gedöse in the background, only the clear language - then no stereo Atmo but with a directional effect (often mono)
However, once interviewed several children who still synonymous each 50 cm apart and the Microphone will not move to the speakers, it is often a stereo Atmo better. Only on the directional effect, of which you get with an indicative micro a clear picture of vote, the rest of the children is absolutely untersteuert come back.
Therefore, the pros use Tonangel, a sound man cares only for the correct distance of the microphone for speaking and listening via Headphones and changed the level depending on the situation. A very demanding job harder.
Example 2 - I want all the ambient noise (music, mood) perceive and record it, then stop Stereo - Atmo Microphone
With animals, the same. There are synonymous extremely Richtwirkende microphones are used.
At the concert, I had already written an optimal recording is there with several microphones in concert to achieve the perfect choice position may give you Matthias, I've no practical experience so that (simply because A) my case is too expensive, and B ) I None 4 watchdogs for each microphone in the concert hall is what did, and C) the bands synonymous not want to stress too much, except it is a Purchase DVD production, there is everything on your camera vote - synonymous the light.
I've already written many times, I take the sound directly from the mixer, which is of course less the mood of the fans reflects, but it is an absolutely syncronen sound, if well ausgesteuert - a good choice - preferably with XLR connection.
To Ohrwurm / OMC trunk you need to ask how it sounds a good idea (compact and always there - s.Ohr), I have no practical tests with it. Ask me not what a pattern it has.
VG Jan
Antwort von mov:
The earwig has a disadvantage that the makers of the earwig is not strong upside move, otherwise changes the Tonrichtung.
For most concerts, especially for those who are not all about running mixer (orchestra), I use mostly 2 Beyerdynamic MCE 86 in XY procedures, and have simultaneously recording camera and notebook to help with a small mixers.
For most applications, no o-ton concrete need, I would have a stereo microphone with directional effect take proboscis new stereo microphone I like sonically very good, according to his examples in the blog.
Antwort von ThomasSV:
Hello
"mov" wrote:
The earwig has a disadvantage that the makers of the earwig is not strong upside move, otherwise changes the Tonrichtung.
Can I not earwigs s.zwei cantilevers (crossbars) s.der Camera "hang"?
"mov" wrote:
Proboscis new stereo microphone I like sonically very good, according to his examples in the blog.
Who's proboscis? If I had to google the earwigs can I find www.fxsupport.de.
And another question hintendran: What do I need when I come up with the idea of me the sound of "assemble" (eg with directional micro + Atmo sphere). That means multi-record, and only later s.Compi (Mac) to mix.
Antwort von Jan:
Proboscis is Wolfgang Winne is FX Support - a well known & respected professional video with Daniel Düsentrieb bonds.
VG Jan
Antwort von Frank Enstein:
I am looking for a solution to the sound then incorporated, where he is to all sorts of noises to be largely suppressed. An extra-long cable or the recording unit are too cumbersome and inflexible. The best possible would be a handy wireless Microphone, today perhaps Bluetooth technology with receiver s.der Camera. From Sony Is there something already - but only with the special accessory shoe. Who knows an alternative?
Antwort von overdose:
Hello,
synonymous times I had a question: I've just completed a HVX200 now bought and search for the right Microphone. It should be of Sennheiser s.der and fishing with the wind, etc. hanging basket. Is there a Me66 + n.oder should you have ¬ 400 more for a MKH416 spend. So my question is whether the difference really listens 400e.
Antwort von Markus:
"A / e Nameless / r wrote:
So my question is whether the difference really listens 400e.
I have an ME66 and I can not complain. The sound of my words very naturally.
I guess so, it's like everywhere: For the last Quentchen quality than you pay much more. - Or did someone have a direct, convincing Comparison?
Antwort von Pianist:
"Mark" wrote:
I guess so, it's like everywhere: For the last Quentchen quality than you pay much more. - Or did someone have a direct, convincing Comparison?
Oh, that's all very subjective and depends of many factors. I have old pictures in the archive, where a ME 80/K3U very good sounds, and a few years later it was over. A ME 66/K6 I had for years as a camera and microphone so that it is only against the MKH 60 is replaced, because I MKH 60 from the basket and made there a MKH 418 S reingebaut did. Important is only that it is a softy and that it looks like the man with switchable filter bypasses. So if you, for example, the-10dB and / or a Bassabschwächer switches. The man simply must try.
In the field Kameraton / Angelton differences are never so big noticeable because the people talking so synonymous always have very different voices and the ambient noise are quite different. In the studio for voice recording sees it quite differently, because there steady conditions prevail and there will be the same speaker microphones synonymous with various different sounds. So if a single paragraph is subsequently changed, another one would immediately notice Microphone.
Much more important is, an SQN to have. I would never work again without something synonymous and do not buy competing products.
