There is a new forum on the Adobe network. Typing & tricks, FAQs, tutorials to ALL Adobe programs.
Link: www.adobe-forum.de
Come over! :)
Edit from Mod: multiple postings deleted and thread in an appropriate section moved. ;-)
Antwort von SammyGray:
Will certainly EXPENSIVE for YOU ....
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Who says that I am the owner of this forum? ;) And why is it expensive?
Antwort von SammyGray:
OMG ... go and never come back
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"wmxrecords" wrote:
... Who says that I am the owner of this forum? ;)...
I have no problem if somebody's new forum anpreist the times perhaps someday will be filled with content, but why can you not stand? To pretend as if you regard it as bystanders at random, it is ridiculous.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Debonnaire:
What does the apostrophe in the "FAQ" s "in the forum?
Antwort von FabeX:
Find the idea in principle, so not bad, although I certainly would be better helped:)
But two questions are pressing me:
1) What Adobe says about this?
2) How long will it take you to the first warning of a lawyer because of lack of legal information and telecommunications lt Fernabsatzgesetz flutters into the house?
so long ..
The weather is so cool! I hau mich heut s.den lake:)
Andi
Antwort von AndyZZ:
"FabeX" wrote:
2) How long will it take you to the first warning of a lawyer because of lack of legal information and telecommunications lt Fernabsatzgesetz flutters into the house?
Is it synonymous with private pages so? Here there is no commercial background ... Should I use for my private family site sowas synonymous deposit? But no one needs to know how I'm really hot and where I live?! Attracts birds, but only inclined to ...
Antwort von SammyGray:
Even on a private Page must provide a complete his imprint.
Greeting Sammy
Antwort von Debonnaire:
My goodness people, what are you for Mies Peters!
As one tries a new forum to launch into a more than interesting topic, and the only what you can rip the mouths is so incidental bullshit like "Where is the essential sooo imprint?", "Has probably do a commercial (iiihhh ... just the thought!) interest in the distant future? "," What does Adobe make someone a private forum of interest on their high holy products will open up ?"... Really! - Adobe has absolutely nothing to sign, if someone on a forum open their products as long as there is no provable business defamatory or play activities. In a society where freedom of expression, thank God, is held high, such a question is stupid, stupid, stupid!
Generally speaking in this thread nothing but envy, that it perhaps could achieve from you! - Yes, and when? - What would be so tragic because if someone SUBSEQUENT adobe-focused forum would unravel (Why always synonymous!)? At the moment, membership yes finally free. And should this change, the "market", we say that of all alone regulate, we (continue to) participate in, or not!
Admittedly, really NEED the world is doing a further fragmentation of these non-specialist. I will confine myself synonymous prefer a clear hand full of resources (eg slashcam.de, creativecow.net, videocopilot.net, adobe.com) in order to inform myself and to be able to exchange, so I assume that the relevant know-how -bearers there einfinden really synonymous. But does the idea of a good s.sich other forum really do not abort! Even here, the market of all alone playing!
But your petty Herumgereite really Secondary relating to this new forum is just mega-embarrassing!
Antwort von FabeX:
Stay cool .. although nice hot out there:)
Have I said yes that the idea s.sich good find .. (although I probably will not use because I slashcam.de on the expertise of a much larger community can fall back)
But the two points of me like "What Adobe says about this" and "Credits" are anything but trivial. I work independently for 8 years in the IT industry and we are developing, deploying and designing web pages themselves, eCommerce system, etc. and because I think, to be able to say that I am on the field enough experience together. And no preference whether private or commercial page commercial website. An imprint is REQUIRED !!!!!
Disclaimer And in this case would be synonymous not bad, where synonymous clear that there is no official website / forum of Adobe represents.
SHOULD THE THREAD FOR THE AUTHOR OF A NOTE OF IT'S MANY MANY PROBLEMS can save! So first think then write, or at least interpreting the written correctly.
Due to the current legal situation regarding the situation in the whole network and I would Abmahnwellen the holder of the Adobe forum these tips very heartily. Is in his interest. -> Anonymity on the Internet there are no longer:)
bye, I head for the lake.
Antwort von Debonnaire:
"FabeX" wrote:
An imprint is REQUIRED !!!!!
And what "REQUIRED", is MADE! Finally you are in GERMANY, and other hol 'I Ordnungsamt, jawoll, fallera! On the flags, Brühüüüder which ruhuuuft DUTY! Let us agree on the imprint of the Web sites and stand together against those whom Impressuhuuum only secondary importance, besides the actual THEHEEEMA the site, fallera! ;-)
Good lake slap!
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
WHERE is the sun? Since I will now synonymous out here in Cologne as it regenet Twine ...
Antwort von FabeX:
"Debonnaire" wrote:
"FabeX" wrote:
An imprint is REQUIRED !!!!!
And what "REQUIRED", is MADE! Finally you are in GERMANY, and other hol 'I Ordnungsamt, jawoll, fallera! On the flags, Brühüüüder which ruhuuuft DUTY! Let us agree on the imprint of the Web sites and stand together against those whom Impressuhuuum only secondary importance, besides the actual THEHEEEMA the site, fallera! ;-)
Good lake slap!
Well then stop: "An imprint is required by law!"
It is up to each themselves whether he has a website (again: no preference whether private, commercial or association) with the minimum information equips or not. I've pointed out and the benefit of the thread creator. He must not hold off. Can only from experience of customers (their website does not make us leave, only then of us has been revised) say that there is already a few have given the 3-4-digit amounts of punishment had to pay.
so long ..
PS: There's the sun where it usually rains there: In Salzburg ;-)
nice weekend .. I am now and verfeif geb as no longer comment.
Antwort von wmxrecords:
I thank you all, the heart of it as like you to want to take care of my affairs, no, seriously - thanks. I'm not omniscient and have now learned at least something. ;)
I will be this important and useful tips naturally follow. I would also like to thank all serve do NOT like hungry dogs on me going, but the pros definitely a thing to see. Thanks, folks! Such as you are such as I motivated to do next.
mfG Waldemar
PS It really was cowardly of me to say that I am not the founder of the Forum'm sorry. But wait a minute, I really beahauptet? ;)))) Now s.euch: only then ANSCHNAUZEN READ! All the best! :)
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
"Debonnaire" wrote:
the only what you can rip the mouths is so incidental bullshit like "Where is the essential sooo imprint?"
Why regst you so if someone does point out, in which risk ( ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬) he goes and what he has done wrong? The imprint is COMPULSORY. A single banner, and a site may be classified as a commercially (and the legal obligation is as commercial private, infringements are ABMAHNFÄHIG). I guess times heavily, a few warnings are still free and so much more welcome than the thickness of envelopes in the mailbox Abmahnerei. So puste you are not quite as thick on, please.
"Debonnaire" wrote:
Adobe has absolutely nothing to sign, if someone on a forum open their products as long as there is no provable business defamatory or play activities.
Where were you because the word "proved" that, and since when you have the reputation of "provable" can occur? It is sufficient if a reputation can and can not be ruled out. Next Please s.Dich, then, is to give no (legal) advice if you yourself do not know of the matter did.
"Debonnaire" wrote:
In a society where freedom of expression, thank God, is held high, such a question is stupid, stupid, stupid!
A look into the constitution would tell you that there is no unlimited freedom of expression exists. You can of course your opinion freely. And then we can read the full synonymous and experiences: while this is not with the rights of other conflicts. Incomplete read and semi-spreading: stupid, stupid, yet stupid!
"Debonnaire" wrote:
Generally speaking in this thread nothing but envy, that it perhaps could achieve from you!
Crosses the point at times: [] Well-Tips are Miesreden [] Warning against evil traps is scaremongering [] You are interested in reality not at all
"Debonnaire" wrote:
But your petty Herumgereite really Secondary relating to this new forum is just mega-embarrassing!
Everything in this thread (until now) is embarrassing, it was Dein of (at best) half-minded to not knowing contribution. The thread creator you say that together: You can everything on your pages, or omit, do not you drum, everything no preference. Mach please with your own pages.
@ Thread creator: the domain "adobe-forum" is with some probability, sooner or later will comply. It sounds in the ears of bystanders as an official address and Adobe are the trademark anger. Even a notice on the home page that the forum was only privately and with Adobe had nothing to do, it would hardly change. The odds are probably 70:30 for a warning and, if carried out, for a 90:10 success of Adobe. The domain name "adobe-user-forum" (no idea obs already there), for example, sounds much smoother and includes the likelihood of something stronger - but still with the remaining residual risk. s.Du can become a lawyer specializing in media law and you go for advice. Expensive is not (always cheaper than Adobe in the neck); b) You can register with Adobe in touch and ask politely (written consent to the proposed name); c) You take a very different forum names and accept (teeth grinding) that the trademark and name law in Germany has its disadvantages sometimes :-( BG, Andreas
Antwort von wmxrecords:
So honest people, now let's look at the few days of sheep zufriden. 2 against 100 is unfair. And if you ever so "friendly" and want to be me on so many things indicating that I have to note, then you value it and it is synonymous TUT friendly.
What's that for a humbug because of brand names? Adobe is a different word than adobe forum and this is something else again as adobe-forum.de. Where would we be if the whole brand is not expected to speak and share? I guess we have to us only via sign language. And what's with all the other domain names such as
bmw-syndikat.de bmw-forum.de bmw-bike-forum.de
or here: opel-problemforum.de <- this is totally outrageous but the brand name "Opel" with the word "problem" in a row to bring. The owner of this site is probably behind Swedish curtains.
Summary: in my forum is not heruntergemacht Adobe, the brand name is not abused, I do not pursue commercial objectives of Adobe's products are "free" courted. So I see no problems with the forum continue.
Thanks s.alle which is my problem, "take care"! :)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"wmxrecords" wrote:
... So I see no problems with the Forum to continue ...
This is nice, but it would be important only if a problem with Adobe sees ;-) It may be that with your domain name is everything okay, but unlike Debonnaire already knows Andreas profession because of what he's talking about: I would just ask me his comments have been very thoroughly go through your head and make it safe to go.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
"wmxrecords" wrote:
What's that for a humbug because of brand names? Adobe is a different word than adobe forum and this is something else again as adobe-forum.de.
I have long considered whether I am the Lord of know-it still unteachable to reply to. I judge myself so s.die wish the general public and assertive Webmaster nice post in the box:
LG Berlin 16 Civil Chamber, 06.03.2001, number: 16 O 33/01 to domain names oil-of-elf.de "wrote:
With the entertainment domain, the environmental organization unauthorized as the dominant component of the oil company release the name of "eleven" and used by their legitimate interest injured. In the opinion a substantial portion of traffic is using the disputed domain name on a relationship with the oil companies were forced to close. Therefore it is sufficient if only some parts of names are used, unless (as here) to be particularly influential acts.
or
"BGH 1st Civil Senate, s.29.04.2004 Aktenzeichen: I ZR 191/01" wrote:
A confusion can be synonymous in such a way as to ensure that the attacked character due a partial agreement in a same core being the holder of the trademark application is assigned. Such confusion may be in special circumstances synonymous from a line of characters in the semantic content showed (...).
or the domain name mahngericht.de
LG 7th Civil Cologne Chamber 18.02.2005 Aktenzeichen: 7 O 415/04 "wrote:
The name was Mahngericht the general public as a mark of that frame of Justice announced the implementation of the procedure is assigned. It is not just a mere Sachbezeichnung but a namensmäßigen notice to the Justice of the countries. The names similar marking the designation Mahngericht unfold not only in connection with a geographical label, but already in position. A presumption is infringing name before, because the defendant is the domain due to unauthorized use and assignment of the existing confusion legitimate interests of the plaintiff infringes country.
The plea was accepted, although "Mahngericht" does not even have a legitimate brand was ... read the bold sentence precisely, would be in conjunction with a place name or charitable synonymous as a part-forum has been so judged! Show times synonymous to the date of the judgments - that is all ancient and long ago decided. For a warning, I would not need 10 minutes. Claims s.Namen / Adobe name part? Treasures in the top five to six lower ...
"wmxrecords" wrote:
So I see no problems with the forum continue.
You do not hit you quite correctly, I think you want the problems are not seen. Now you look here in order Slashcam, as here partly Software / Manufacturer of the verbal support has been established in more or less justifiable anger. Can you find 24 hours all year round to ensure that the worst of defamatory statements from your forum immediately after the Item disappear? That is a question of "Mitstörereigenschaft" - ask the Slashcam times Admins after this term, the very well know. For any defamatory statement, the provider knows or should know synonymous only (!), He is liable as the original poster. Well because a lot of fun. BG Andreas
PS: If You Post of Adobe's lawyers get is this:
"wmxrecords" wrote:
What's that for a humbug
certainly an interesting variant response. Part
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Wmxrecords
If you the last and the above is not sufficient: The name is also misleading. Only when you click one learns (so did we) that it is a "inoffizelle" Page is, we initially thought Page s.eine new from Adobe.
So it is a problem you may seem synonymous, imagine a choose another name (effort / cost), -Do not be profiled in this way and manner; (unless you have the license of Adobe acquired).
There are plenty of examples. Two of many: It does not meanFinal Cut - Forum ", but" finalcutprofi ". It is notApple - Forum ", but" MacUser. " This could continue indefinitely ...
;))
Antwort von Markus:
"Debonnaire" wrote:
What does the apostrophe in the "FAQ" s "in the forum?
"Debonnaire" wrote:
But your petty Herumgereite really Secondary relating to this new forum is just mega-embarrassing!
Your insight, I agree fully. ;-)
@ All: Thread moved again, this time under the heading "Disclaimer." Let's see who else has new aspects involved ... _________________ Sincerely, by moderator
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Markus
New ideas? Na klar! How about because with a "Debonnaire Forum"? Whether he likes it or not - but his problem is.
;)))
Antwort von wolfgang:
"Andreas_Kiel" wrote:
I have long considered whether I am the Lord of know-it still unteachable to reply to. I judge myself so s.die wish the general public and assertive Webmaster nice post in the box:
Admire you for your patience, time, Andreas. Such judgments, however, should convince them.
I notice this, however, synonymous, that I once was with how we have built Vegas forum. And warnings gabs about all those years not synonymous, perhaps due to the good contacts at Sony.
Well .... yes maybe hear the new domain holder is for you.
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Wolfgang
"Good contacts" - what else?
Whether this is in a "overLux Forum" (Debonnaire) synonymous would be the case, is still completely unknown.
;))
Antwort von tommyb:
"wolfgang" wrote:
And warnings gabs about all those years not synonymous, perhaps due to the good contacts at Sony.
Is this perhaps due to the fact that "Vegas" is not viewed as a trade mark can be? If yes, finally, a city and maybe you really operates a Las Vegas forum "...
Antwort von DWUA:
No, tommyb
If someone says: "Mars macht mobil" is not the planet from our solar system meant. Although there are many forums in regard to the latter and there.
;))
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Maybe yes everything, but you had ever the spark of the idea that my forum Adobe's absolutely nothing to bring harm, but only solves many issues in the use of the software appear? Adobe organized around the year various conventions around its products closer to users. This is much more money invested. Since it is a good remedy if there are portals in the Internet that give you this work if synonymous only partially reduced. It is not the forum was founded Adobe in order to draw the dirt, on the contrary. I'm thrilled of the software, use this privately synonymous professionally (Master Collection CS3). I myself, a lot of answers for my questions sought and am grateful that there are forums like this where you can find.
Perhaps many of my forum than to competition? That should certainly not be there! It is rather to be regarded as collaboration.
And by the way: of course thread and checked if libel will be removed permanently. As mentioned above, something is not the aim of the forum. Competence and honesty of the Forum is to radiate and therefore I will personally take care of.
Antwort von FabeX:
Yeah, that's all clear and synonymous here all you aware that Adobe is not in the dirt, etc. Also want to draw your forum is quite legitimate and most synonymous positive.
Only the people here want you just the legal issues and consequences with the show can bring. And I would just advise you about the one or the other just typing it.
You try here oh and crack with the negative things Socher a project to suppress. The Works but can not .. every company, every new idea, etc. is always synonymous with dingen vitiated by a somewhat go against the grain. Nevertheless, we must worry about and the one or the other to accept. An attorney is in any case with your previous arguments have his greatest joy .. Please do not feel any of the same attack .. this seems to me a sign today to be that everyone on the same criticism goes into defensive stance instead of the same good things picking.
Constructive criticism is positive or something?
so long ..
greets
PS: Today is the rain again in Salzburg angesagt ;-)
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Already it is clear that their "good" means. Only I see it is not so. Why? Quite simply, well-intentioned advice will be nice rübergebracht. Deceitful and "on the dispute from being 'advice - as plentiful here - may not be well-intentioned, they may be synonymous correct. It seems to me that it is only me with rotten eggs and tomatoes at each would if I would have the opportunity. :))))
Well, fortunately coming digital tomatoes and eggs a.k.a. 001110101010 does not pass through the screen. : P
Antwort von AndyZZ:
I still have not found imprint. That thou wouldst have been in a few minutes can maintain.
Reminds me s.meine daughter, stubborn when it stomps on the floor. The now six years old ....
Antwort von wmxrecords:
I'm not stubborn, just have not found the time. The imprint is still yes. Discaimer synonymous. For all the impatient among you simply WhoIs inquiry www.adobe-forum.de make. Since all data is standing there. ;)
To andy: Congratulations to the daughter! ;)
Antwort von nico:
Quote:
It seems to me that it is only me with rotten eggs and tomatoes at each would if I would have the opportunity. :))))
Nonsense. If you see this really true, it would be s.der time, your complex treatment.
Here None what you want. On the contrary: it tries to meet you from harm.
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Complex?
"... to preserve" - yes, of course! What else had I not synonymous in the mind! If only all people in the world would be so thoughtful ... tz tz tz;)
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
"wmxrecords" wrote:
tz tz tz
Some are betting on, who recently 'tz' makes:-D
"Wolfgang" wrote:
Admire you for your patience, time, Andreas. Such judgments, however, should convince them.
Hi, a non-cited no convincing Wollersheim verdict. You see it so, our advice, he has described as deceitful, na schön. Deceitful in my eyes would be quite something else, for example, a few e-mails through the area spread like the "your-allowed-my-Steadicam-not-see-patent because it-is" type - is not long synonymous ago. It was not even inside of a week of his provider disconnected. Beautiful evening Andreas
Antwort von mann:
hey folks, makes the board operator is not so ready ... Please look at times prefer the Photoshop question, perhaps one of you knows the answer !!?????
Antwort von AndyZZ:
"Mann" wrote:
hey folks, makes the board operator is not so ready ... Please look at times prefer the Photoshop question, perhaps one of you knows the answer !!?????
Since this new forum so a serious and "professional", should you so soon a suitable information from the operator / wmxrecords receive. ;-)
An imprint, I still have not found ...
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Thanks man!
The Photoshop question is, incidentally, has resolved - at least I hope.
AND: because of your "love" Advice is now available as a headline in the forum: The unofficial Adobe forum. I hope this is clear enough that the Forum is unofficial and not of Adobe originates.
And when you're all so clever, then proves it time and helps the forum on the jumps by ye logs and questions answered, and the professional. That would help me more than just in the initial phase ready to make. ;)
So, I expect you. : D Greeting Waldemar
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Well, a Photoshop issue with the large 80 MB pdf file has not yet been answered. I would give him the tip, sometimes the number s.Layern to reduce or another pdf file by Acrobat optimize it. But I have my login .... Maybe you can give him the tip.
And the imprint is still missing. Can not be that hard, right?
Antwort von wmxrecords:
No, I'm just about to write it and insert. If everything is working, do not worry. ;)
And with the layers does not work, have only recently had the same case, had times with all the layers stored, sometimes with only one - the same result. Only it has not disturbed me. Data on the pressure and delivered ready.
PS Sign up anyway, it is not prohibited. ;)
Antwort von FabeX:
Andy du imprint Geilist :-)
but each stop has its fetish * ggggg *
lg Andi
Antwort von wmxrecords:
No, he was right! This belongs in a serious forum to do so.
Holden Your hero! Demonstrates times eich brings real strength and the Adobe forum but little upward. Sign in to answer questions, tell others - DAS will be respected, not your class spells where nothing is behind it. :)))
Antwort von M-Kult:
What do you want us to say with the link? Would you like the Wikipedia page to read through quite.
I personally have no interest s.Deinem forum. I would show strength in other circumstances, certainly not with you in the forum.
At your educational Gesäusel you must still work, because of spells where nothing is behind it.
There are forums such as sand s.Meer. I am the rich, there is.
As will be friendly and to whom a notice about the legal obligation and then type something .. old Swede.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
"M-cult" wrote:
As will be friendly and to whom a notice about the legal obligation and then type something .. old Swede.
"You are empty" ... "Sayings and nothing behind it" - s.in the heading "People, the Internet does not need." If anyone - Pfeifer - stupid stuff in the "unofficial" forum discovered, let's see, when Adobe (the original), the first complaint and then gets ... interesting to observe how long DENIC still in the domain is listed :-)))) BG Andreas
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Everyone knows that Wikipedia is a free portal in which all his stuff to cope can write. On the records there is at least times with care to believe. ;)
Antwort von PowerMac:
Horrible design. So appealing as a Pipibox in the Balkans. Which audience do you want to address? Graphic? DTP people? Motion Designer? Please more aesthetic!
Antwort von wmxrecords:
The accusation against the design please s.phpBB.de directly. ;)
Target group: people with the problems of their Adobe software and have no further comment. We want the forum does not hold beauty contest. This involves the key thing.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Na! It's about the heart thing? Then we can synonymous advertising, design and art save our arguments and rational exchange. One can not form and content separate. That is, if you like a race s.Parkplatz organizers.
Antwort von wmxrecords:
As I create my page and what I allow s.Diskussionen is surely still my affair, right? And the content is important, not the form. From a forum superschönem without practical application (ie replies), the user gets no satisfaction synonymous. If anyone but his question is found, then it has no preference whether the forum is blue or pink - he has what he wanted. And that counts.
Antwort von FabeX:
Sagt mal, gehts just me, or so you start this thread synonymous slowly bored :-)
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Can be ...
Thus, a Imressum is eigefügt. What you do not fit? :)
Antwort von nico:
Quote:
What you do not fit?
I think if you get here with such a snooty formulations for participation s.Deinem hobbyhorse Buhl, you will hardly find someone who is willing to feed your ego.
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Because you could be right. And my ego outdo you all will (positively). When I look at things in the head set, then do I get it mostly synonymous. In this sense ... ;)
BTW, have you seen? The first problem was successfully solved, looks! : D
Antwort von PowerMac:
Geht ja richtig s.im forum!
Antwort von minidv:
It must first establish synonymous but ;-))
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Right! :)
Have you ever seen? The questions are answered and after. S.Ende light of the tunnel ... : P
Antwort von SammyGray:
LOL ...
You live grad mal 10 min of me ^ ^
Antwort von wmxrecords:
It's great, right? Then we can one day times together a coffee drink. ;)
Antwort von soahC:
Presönlich I would close the forum and Adobe make a nice offer, because the domain belongs to you so legally! What with prices for domain names can be achieved should not be underestimated!
Antwort von wmxrecords:
Thanks for the suggestion, but I try something with the forum. :)
Antwort von adobeforum:
Good day together.
If I may introduce myself, my name is Waldemar Wall. I am the lawful operator of the portal, Adobe Forum.de
I have read the entire post. I believe that there must be a few things clarified.
"wmxrecords" is here in the forum for someone who spends me. He is synonymous in other forums this type of "advertising" done and I was already of the operators of these forums informed. The user "wmxrecords" was synonymous in Adobe's forum registered, although he was not particularly noticed negative. He now has members from the list and by email to the unpleasant consequences mentioned. These are still pending, a lawyer is already on. Any statements or Users wrote this here in the forum is not my idea of forum management. I, as the actual operator of the Adobe forum expressly dissociate myself of his statements. That is not the way and my way of advertising for a portal to make.
I can only hope that the user "wmxrecords" in any future posts regarding omits my forum!
I wish all the other have a nice day!
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Ich lach mich schlapp .... Is this the last desperate attempt, the cart from the mud to pull?
Antwort von blip:
Now it suffices to slow (all further discussions on this subject can be seen in other forum needs to be continued) - thread closed.
