Hello, after I am through numerous magazines and have read this forum, went with me somehow synonymous increasing the overview information is lost. I'm looking for a camcorder up to 400 euros (of course only rough guide) happy synonymous cheaper (if that is possible) I would mainly indoor filming. Beforzugt interviews (so synonymous with a micro adapter option). I am therefore particularly good picture and sound quality (I want to recognize people synonymous * g *) So is 3CCP useful or necessary? I've got a couple of times considered synonymous but am open to other suggestions: Panasonic: GS 27 GS 37 Sony: HC 23 HC 17 JVC: D 325 D 345
I would have really very happy answers.
Antwort von StefanS:
Hello, after I am through numerous magazines and have read this forum, went with me somehow synonymous increasing the overview information is lost. I'm looking for a car to some 15000 euros (of course only rough guide) happy synonymous cheaper (if that is possible) I would mainly be about 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. passengers. Prefers a taxi (so synonymous with opportunity to install a taximeter). I am therefore particularly good ride (I want to recognize people synonymous after the ride * g *) is therefore useful 300 hp and necessary? I've got a couple of times considered synonymous but am open to other suggestions: VW Golf Audi A3 Opel Astra Opel Vectra Toyota knows what I
I would have really very happy answers.
I want you so do not settle and I do not synonymous me funny about you, so please do not misunderstand. I wish you only show that some things just to exclude.
You want good sound quality? True, you need a connector for an external Micro. You want good image quality, especially in the often too dimly lit interior spaces? Since it is already more expensive! There is one especially as few pixels as possible on such a large area as possible. Here begins the balancing act of "cheap" cameras. They are with so many pixels as possible in an area as small as possible, because the DAK (dumb as to the buyer) always buys gigahypersupervielen megapixels. Unfortunately, that cameras with "reasonable" chips, so little pixels on a large area, not for 400 Teuronen to get. Is 3CCD useful? Do you need the documentation for internal purposes? Then no. Do you want the post? Then yes. Problem: In the low class is the marketing of the 3-Chipper not of the 1-Chipper.
This describes a bit of your dilemma.
But do it the following:
Go into a McBlöd your choice or travel to a planet of your choice and buy a tape of you try the above models, so from there. The tape will take home with you and play it through a friend of a borrowed camera to your PC, edit a little, and then create the medium of fact synonymous with whom you want to work in the future. This again you're playing again on the medium for which you get the whole burden and ask a few bystanders, if they recognize differences and what they like s.besten. And voila, you have your answer.
Greeting Stefan
Antwort von rapunzelchen:
"Stefan" wrote:
Hello, after I am through numerous magazines and have read this forum, went with me somehow synonymous increasing the overview information is lost. I'm looking for a car to some 15000 euros (of course only rough guide) happy synonymous cheaper (if that is possible) I would mainly be about 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. passengers. Prefers a taxi (so synonymous with opportunity to install a taximeter). I am therefore particularly good ride (I want to recognize people synonymous after the ride * g *) is therefore useful 300 hp and necessary? I've got a couple of times considered synonymous but am open to other suggestions: VW Golf Audi A3 Opel Astra Opel Vectra Toyota knows what I
I would have really very happy answers.
I want you so do not settle and I do not synonymous me funny about you, so please do not misunderstand. I wish you only show that some things just to exclude.
You want good sound quality? True, you need a connector for an external Micro. You want good image quality, especially in the often too dimly lit interior spaces? Since it is already more expensive! There is one especially as few pixels as possible on such a large area as possible. Here begins the balancing act of "cheap" cameras. They are with so many pixels as possible in an area as small as possible, because the DAK (dumb as to the buyer) always buys gigahypersupervielen megapixels. Unfortunately, that cameras with "reasonable" chips, so little pixels on a large area, not for 400 Teuronen to get. Is 3CCD useful? Do you need the documentation for internal purposes? Then no. Do you want the post? Then yes. Problem: In the low class is the marketing of the 3-Chipper not of the 1-Chipper.
This describes a bit of your dilemma.
But do it the following:
Go into a McBlöd your choice or travel to a planet of your choice and buy a tape of you try the above models, so from there. The tape will take home with you and play it through a friend of a borrowed camera to your PC, edit a little, and then create the medium of fact synonymous with whom you want to work in the future. This again you're playing again on the medium for which you get the whole burden and ask a few bystanders, if they recognize differences and what they like s.besten. And voila, you have your answer.
Greeting Stefan
So much so little words and content ....
Antwort von nico:
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So much so little words and content ....
That may well be - but how would it be with a "better" answer?
I love critics, the only reason the critics to speak without a solution must be produced.
Antwort von rapunzelchen:
"nico" wrote:
Quote:
So much so little words and content ....
That may well be - but how would it be with a "better" answer?
I love critics, the only reason the critics to speak without a solution must be produced.
Also here: So much so little words and content ....
Antwort von nico:
lol
Antwort von StefanS:
"Anonymous" wrote:
So much so little words and content ....
If it sees Sandra, I am satisfied, however, you are not interested in me, because you obviously lack the understanding that many words to capture and process.
So long
Greeting Stefan
Antwort von rapunzelchen:
The Lord gives away the mind and the keyboards. But not always simultaneously.
Just attempt an answer to the girl what's the use.
Antwort von Jan:
Sandra, first you should choose a CameraLink a microphone input. In class you would like Canon MV 900 or Panasonic GS 180th From your above does not have an external microphone connection.
Maybe bring you my Comparison of the basic company a little next:
But always respect - you find yourself in the area of the cheapest class - please make synonymous the expectations s.Diese.
You will easily become synonymous see if you get you pictures of your test Kanidaten times closer anschaust:
Antwort von StefanS:
"Jan" wrote:
naja halt stupid helper instinct.
and some you probably will host the same low income mentally still in the ...
:-)
Greeting Stefan
Antwort von rapunzelchen:
"Stefan" wrote:
and some you probably will host the same low income mentally still in the ...
No, certainly not! I have to pass that you stillhältst feet.
Thanks Jan
Antwort von Markus:
"A guest who is not married three times already, his name," wrote:
So much so little words and content ....
Maybe, but I found the description very clearly synonymous. And ultimately, this is synonymous one goal, namely to understand why a camcorder for 400 ¬ barely able to meet the desired requirements. Only with the understanding necessary to define realistic goals ...
Antwort von steveb:
"Anonymous" wrote:
The Lord gives away the mind and the keyboards. But not always simultaneously.
Just attempt an answer to the girl what's the use.
... and the Lord forgave name so that you are not all fools had the same name.
Antwort von Sandra_:
Yes, I buy the camcorder for now?
Antwort von schumi65:
Okay, first times, I think Stephen really good answer, because it illustrates how difficult it is to such questions to be answered adequately. And so complicated, it is not from the "many words" the right herauszulesen aspects.
Well, Sandra, because thou hast synonymous and we have a problem, namely value to your interior shots. The entrance with the micro, we would have been decided. Now even the light. I see limitations in the Euro 400-class. To good indoor photos in a dark room (eg, evening / night only mild artificial light in the room, like in a bar) style, you would probably order a sophisticated lighting technology does not get round. The aforementioned Panasonic GS 180 of shows in any case under artificial light in the otherwise conventional dark room some weaknesses.
Now here is my question: How should a professional because the pictures are? What do you want to use it eventually? For the private household and under Tageslichbedingungen within a not too dark room (eg living room with large windows), the GS 180 should be completely sufficient.
Antwort von Sandra:
Hello, erszteinmal I would like to thank the quick feedback. I must make it clear right times, that I was not this uminöse Sandra_ am. (I can now conjecture up, but that leads to so synonymous nix)
@ Sandra_ I think it's fairly audacious Answers relating to write clearly so should look like mine! That only leads to confusion and is not synonymous to fine art but you are apparently synonymous s.einer answer to my question is interested, so why the crap?
So, again relating back to. I think Stephen Comparison amusing and very helpful. I've already understood what it should go. The excitement was for nothing. Of course I am aware that in this price range its not too high expectations should unscrew. I had just thought that in this price class synonymous Unerschiede in the image quality would be. Plays eigendlich synonymous yes but not important. My first question we forget s.Besten typical Beginners schäm * * The test image-link, incidentally, I found very helpful. Ich hab mich da mal accurate times around and compare. (Did partly scared me * g *, so I totally approve of the variant have refrained) s.Jan thank you for your contribution to me was very useful. One question I have on the micro story. How strong are the addition or noise, there are not many with Microphone connector option. Also I read here that such accessories synonymous only to the 90 euro what use, if at all at lower devices. Then you could implement it directly or buy more expensive equipment? What light is concerned, I think that with the interior shots is not so tragic. One can indeed by additional light sources for good Beleuchtunhg care. This should be feasible yet. Worries me rather of sound. Ich hab mal in the morning me some business models live views. My Favorizten can now see the following: Panasonic 180, SonyDC JVC MG77 and 44 (it should be holding still hingespart).
Antwort von PowerMac:
"Anonymous" wrote:
(...) Just attempt an answer to the girl what's the use.
Once again a nice philosophical discussion!
So my dear guest, what is "useful"? Defined me something and then check whether Stefans answer but not a "benefit" has. Stefan's answer is extremely pragmatic.
Antwort von StefanS:
"Sandra" wrote:
I must make it clear right times, that I was not this uminöse Sandra_ am.
We had not synonymous, as you so your first question jeit're logged in, who does not Sandra_ :-)
Greeting Stefan
Antwort von schumi65:
Hi Sandra,
it looks quite good with your shortlisted. Now do not you come around, in various forums to look after comparisons, I have it before the purchase made synonymous. The light goes with the course, with good lighting to use. From the picture quality, I can personally only on the Panasonic 180, because I share it myself. So I already have several interior shots rotated (eg, theater) and the quality of'm not disappointed. Aussenaufnaufnahmen are obviously just as well. Besides the image quality has me convinced synonymous handling. Since I use my tripod, I am synonymous with the stable image sequences happy, just shake it no more. This had me s.Meisten disturbed.
Antwort von beiti:
Where to good interior shots for 400 ¬ you know I do not synonymous. Is often synonymous, but a question of entitlement. What a totally noisy, interspersed with artifacts and horrible place, like others still work fine. Looking at the pictures on a small tube TV screen sizes, the noise is less bad than on a large plasma or in the projection.
What exactly can I do to write microphone issue. It is a simple principle: The closer the Microphone sound source s.der sits, the better the recording quality, because less room noise (external noise, reverberation) aufgeschnappt be. It often weighs heavier than the quality of the microphones. Ie a qualitatively rather mediocre inconspicuous s.Hemd of the interview partner whose voice brings to each case as a clear guide sündteures on the micro-camera in a few meters distance.
Basically, you can record interviews differently, for example, with an indicative s.der Angel microphone just outside of the image, a directional microphone visibly on the table, an inconspicuous, etc. As one would have to based on the specific situation or clarify what is here s.besten .
Antwort von Markus:
"Sandra" wrote:
@ Sandra_ I think it's fairly audacious Answers relating to write clearly so should look like mine! That only leads to confusion and is not synonymous to fine art
Here is a Troll driving around, the one that makes fun, with the names of other users (but unannounced) Behave normally spur discussions.
In this context, I ask you, reports of this nature with the need to deal with skepticism and doubt in the case to ignore. According to my information is that Sandra Sandra_ and in fact two different Internet users.
Antwort von Jan:
Yes nice Beiti the gut and goes for the Semi-professional & world. Show me an amateur with the GS 180 or Canon MV 900 films, and besides the camera one Tonangel used - a maximum of 100th That is the way.
I experience every day, even a small light head & Aufsteckmirkrofon, 95% of people already too annoying - that is, unfortunately, so stop. It is synonymous only a small portion of those restores. Always these stupid 0 lux advertising makes people crazy.
Today I had a very long conversation with a customer (first sentences - is shit Tray - old-fashioned "- s.Ende came out - it is probably the GS 280 MiniDV Buy - DVD & HDD camcorders are so great - he told me s.Anfang . If you have the 1000 with little, just finalizing s.Netzteil, 20 minutes playing time in the best quality, VR mode DVDs can cut several programs not in DVD video mode, you can just turn everything on the DVD to delete the DVD drive makes almost nearly the same crack as the head drum in the cassette, etc. ..
VG Jan
Antwort von beiti:
Quote:
Yes nice Beiti the gut and goes for the Semi-professional & world. Show me an amateur with the GS 180 or Canon MV 900 films, and besides the camera one Tonangel used - a maximum of 100th That is the way. I experience every day, even a small light head & Aufsteckmirkrofon, 95% of people already too annoying - that is, unfortunately, so stop.
That is certainly true vswenn to leave and go Familienfilmerei. It is not just an overhead, but synonymous additional uncertainty (Empty Battery, Cable / Male locker). And the constant control of Headphones then finally exceed the understanding of normal filmmaker.
In the present case is somewhat different. Sandra wrote specifically of interviews already and mentioned the idea itself, additional microphones adapter. Before you now so the usual camera-directional micro-releases recommendations, so it is already here, such as a favorable Hama-Ansteckmikro recommended. (Fishing, I have to be mentioned.)
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Today I had a very long conversation with a customer (first sentences - is shit Tray - old-fashioned "- s.Ende came out - it is probably the GS 280 MiniDV Buy - DVD & HDD camcorders are so great - he told me s.Anfang .
Because I can feel with you, synonymous when I luckily nothing must sell (only s.and to advise). My absolute hatred record of relatives who can advise is: "Do you know something I do not need a professional like you." - As if the same equipment for beginners I would recommend that I myself use / prefer. I'm not mad. Only their ideas are often quite wrong.
Small OT anecdote from an uncle I once heard this exact phrase, after I submit a 2000-DM-camcorder had recommended (which is already several years ago, it was the initial price). He is determined that I had it my own "excessive quality" aufgestülpt. Then he went into the shop and had a few models perform. When he returned, he was exchanged and believed as well, an ordinary device must cost at least 4000 Mark and I then had several hours to do it the overpriced Vertical back out of your camcorder, so that he finally "only" 2500 DM landed.
Antwort von Sandra:
I am afraid I must be a little annoying issues with next. wenns decision is simply too much to * g * I got me the technical data of the device times out and I compare it to. (The JVC is already out). ich hab dann mal pro / cons list is created. For Panasonic 180: clear advantage of the micro-connector (which I'd already synonymous use. However, no fishing. Ansteckvariante The micro find or desk I had ok) supposedly she has only a USB input. But I've always read that the transfer was better with firewire. Maybe someone can help me yes.
To Sony44. Here I find the picture more appealing The synonymous, however, has no DV input. I wonder now if you prefer to have what it set to 46 and should take that on any such offers. If so much as to practical life. Yes they should be anyway otherwise Identical. I wonder then why only on the test images Bildqualtiätsunterschied to see where the 44 is better like this. Coincidence? Shortcoming of Sony, the lack of micro-connector. Has anyone experience with the sound quality made and can perhaps tell me if this is now really so serious. I do not know, because now if I ever have someone help you. Is for me now somehow ne difficult decision.
Antwort von Markus:
"Sandra" wrote:
For Panasonic 180: clear advantage of the micro-connector (which I'd already synonymous use. However, no fishing.
Fishing are only aids with microphones which are held similar to a microphone stand. To connect the camcorder, you'll still only the microphone - and this is synonymous if the Micro s.einer Angel hangs.
"Sandra" wrote:
... but it allegedly has a USB input.
USB is in the transmission of video recordings totally uninteresting. The standard is firewire and a DV - Off course, the GS180 sound like any other DV camcorder synonymous. A DV - A gang GS180 has not, however, so you can only video from your camcorder to the PC, but not vice versa.
"Sandra" wrote:
Shortcoming of Sony, the lack of micro-connector.
So the Sonyraus, because how do you want a better sound recording if the camcorder not connected to an external Microphone has? ;-)
Antwort von Sandra:
Oops, I've prescribed. I said the Panasonic has no DV input. How did I do to outputs, which have all but eh. Excuse me. Did I understand correctly now so that when the Panas. FW can be transferred over? What concerns the micro fish so I somehow always ne da wrong idea in your head. Because I think right s.die parts that are outside of the image (because the content looks like fishing). Thank you for the exact definition, re-learned. I do not know whether the Sony is really out. The image quality convinced me so. Yes I would certainly not synonymous with external Micro always work. I've unfortunately never able to test how the sound is. (Clear with external Micro wärs certainly better. I somehow feel I am speaking again myself, I look best to me in the shop again. Maybe it makes me so someone test the sound.
Antwort von Markus:
"Sandra" wrote:
Did I understand correctly now so that when the Panas. FW can be transferred over?
Camcorders -> computer = Yes Computer -> camcorder = No
"Sandra" wrote:
Yes I would certainly not synonymous with external Micro always work.
In interviews, I would nothing more than a suitable Microphone want to use. When built in Microphone or mingles the comment with the sound of the drive camcorders, together with the actual sound source and the whole "surround sound" (Hall, ambient noise, etc.) into a "mash" of acoustic information.
Antwort von beiti:
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The image quality convinced me so. Yes I would certainly not synonymous with external Micro always work. I've unfortunately never able to test how the sound is. (Clear with external Micro wärs certainly better.
I once at a lecture three variants tested (built-in micro camera, micro aufgestecktes guide, Micro s.Rednerpult directly. The camera was only about 6 meters away from the speakers. Nevertheless lie between the first and the third variant worlds. If I do think I make nahher short pieces of it as an MP3 one. Is perhaps synonymous for other interesting filmmakers who wonder whether the effort for an external Micro worthwhile.
PS: The image quality can not be assessed using less frames.
Antwort von beiti:
Okay, here a short mp3 recording of the three variants.
They were recorded with a Canon MVX3i (here in the forum is not unknown device).
Distance of the camera to the lectern was approximately 6 meters. The lecture room was carpeted with, resonates not so bad, such as multipurpose hall with parquet floor. (In a reverberant environment, the difference between built-in Microphone directional microphone and even more clearly than here.)
For better comparability, I normalize all variants, so the volume to the single level increased. That would be otherwise in the editing program so synonymous, if not the best sonic kameraseitig was loud recorded.
great post! So who are not yet for a (corresponding to each situation) Microphone decide which is probably only one hearing aid to prescribe! ;-)
Antwort von Jan:
Good test, the total is probably the truth. But depending on the situation and built-in Micro - Sony & Pana have for me anyway the better built-Micro - the difference Hama vs. synonymous built close question. The daylight image of the HC 44 / 46 is better than the GS 180, I hardly credible, no preference of what Page you look at it.
Yes I am using synonymous for interviews indicative Micro, is not to beat on any claim.
GS 180 has a first synonymous accessory shoe, above the Sonymusst you everything on a track below the camera position - eg for video light.
Whether one USB 2.0 DV Data Streaming option absolutely must use, so everyone should decide for himself. Firewire is standard.
Microphone input and headphone output of the GS 180 are sometime synonymous interesting for you. Just as the supplied Charger and the S-video output - in HC 44 / 46 you just need the original Sony & Hama cable for just under ¬ 30 to buy the S-video quality to be able to enjoy. Still image important, or even MPEG movies on a chip?
Ok the little battery included the GS 180 is a bit cheeky, Sonyist with the FP 50 NP synonymous but not much better.
Whether you the time lapse function, the same camera in numerous Effects (B / W, sepia, mirror image, Solaris etc) what you need to get to know GS 180 waived up to 2 effects complete it.
VG Jan
Antwort von Sandra:
I think I have now once all the information. Now it's more feeling. I will again one or two nights sleep over it and then make a decision. I wish you again. Thank you for the help.
Antwort von Sandra:
So, I MIH synonymous to speak again. I voted last week to Sony44 purchased. I already hear the demands regarding the microphone, but as me in a shop in my village he Sonyals exhibit offered for 310 euros, I was given the price Divverenz to 180 to the micro waived. The first impression is very positive synonymous (When moving from a weak battery aside). I've test synonymous chon movies made under different conditions. These must now "only" on the PC. What the most difficult seems to one (because I do not have firewire port-> can we make external what? With USB was nothing to her).
That is it works fine. Is that difficult? Ich hab of remodeling activity s.Pc not much idea. I would, if possible, nothing else is broken too * g *.
Antwort von Sandra:
The above "Guest" entry is of me. I would've thought eingelockt.
Antwort von beiti:
"Sandra" wrote:
That is it works fine. Is that difficult? Ich hab of remodeling activity s.Pc not much idea. I would, if possible, nothing else is broken too * g *.
Not really difficult. The biggest "hurdle" should be the correct card reinzustecken and festzuschrauben. The next time you should start the thing (at least under Win XP) will be detected immediately.
Antwort von Sandra:
I think that I still get out. I will be grateful to look where I was so & financial. gibts da synonymous something you should consider before buying?
Antwort von Markus:
Before purchase make sure your PC into a PCI slot for the firewire card is free. While the purchase be sure that your new card IEEE1394 OHCI compliant.
Here are some pictures: FireWire FAQ">Camcorder / recorder s.PC connect, capture and edit images
Antwort von Sandra:
I do werd. Thank you
Antwort von Sandra:
I've now a working firewire connection, but still a fundamental problem with the transfer. I have the supplied Sony software installed but it seems I can not do anything with it. When I open the program always wants to appear the text box, you must first take a Macromedia flash player install "(which I've installed the eigendlich). This may not be true. I simply do not transfer data. Has any one idea?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"Sandra" wrote:
hab the supplied Sony software installed ... do not simply transfer data. Has any one idea?
It's trying times with the Windows Movie Maker, which should in any case work.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Markus:
Like with the Movie Maker and does what you need to adjust, you'll find here: FireWire FAQ">7. How come the images from the tape on the calculator?
Antwort von Sandra:
well with the movie maker works are unfortunately niht. I just always get this stupid error. I do not know more next. Has anyone here synonymous ne Sonyand knows the problem, perhaps. (I should probably better to ask elsewhere is no longer under Kaufberatung)
Antwort von Markus:
"Sandra" wrote:
well with the movie maker works are unfortunately niht.
Then forget the Movie Maker and you do a proper (!) Video editing program. Previously, most still with the capturing
Antwort von Sandra:
Hey ho, thanks for the tip with WinDV. It works. I've started the program and a test movie captured (in the form gibts überhaupt * g *) then ran into the real time recording. Strangely was the picture quality worse than the direct transmission to a TV. Have I gone wrong?
Antwort von Markus:
"Sandra" wrote:
Strangely was the picture quality worse than the direct transmission to a TV.
When you finish editing and the result on MiniDV've played, the quality s.Television again look like the original recordings.
Antwort von Sandra:
Ah, so then I am reassured. I'll try. Thank you
Antwort von Sandra:
I've now somehow still a little problem with WinDV. If the film is zuendegespielt how do I end the program / capuren so that the film is stored. I only found a pause function and if I agree, is the film away.
Antwort von Markus:
I've recently played around with WinDV, but not seriously ... with the Capture button starts WinDV the data goes back to capture or break.
Cancel I get the capture during the capture interval is aborted and the files were saved. Does it not with you?
