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Frage von Aloha:
Juni 2009

Hello,

I recently bought the SonyHDR-XR520, and I would now follow suit with the PC.
Aldi has this week announced the Multimedia PC Akoya MD (8399 in the tender, 499 ¬).
Kan anybody tell me whether that is appropriate?
He has the following inside:
AMD Athlon X2 7750 Dual Core Processor
4Gb DDR2 SDRAM
1Tb hard drive
ATI Radeon HD4360 graphics card with DirectX 10.1 support, 512Mb memory and HDMI port
etc.

If that is not so suitable, what would be the perfect PC?
I feel like a graphics card synonymous with 2 or 3 outputs in order to distribute the program windows across multiple monitors to be.

Thanks for any tip.

Aloha



Antwort von unodostres:

So you get on this case, NOT ALDI Calculator. They are scrap. We do not know what Komponennten are blocked. GraKa and so are not generally interchangeable, etc.
Go (in the stores; Atelco out of me) and let you put together as one. Minimum but a 4-core processor. I would recommend as INTEL. Maybe because lay on it 100 ¬, but you were synonymous with what much better quality and performance.
Make sure the brand is only installed.
Motherbaord of Gigabyte, MSI or ASUS. Reasonable power supply, etc.



Antwort von vidoc:

a bit suchfunktion would not have been wrong. There are numerous (; sobering and money-saving) threads on this topic. For example:
http://forum.slashcam.de/konfiguration-fur-overclocked-high-performance-silent-pc-zur-avchd-videobar-vt71221.html?highlight =








Antwort von Aloha:

Hello undostres,

Thanks for the good advice!

Hello Vidoc,

dake for the link, but what can I do with this flood of information, a layman? As I turned everything around in my head.

I was hoping someone could suggest me the right components!

Beautiful evening

Aloha



Antwort von vidoc:

True, there are some tricky infos in there, but I find the consistency to the arguments completely understandable: AVCHD is cutting fluid with a normal desktop computer up to reveal core 2 quad pc's impossible. It must be understood not so, why (and I do not really synonymous), but my computer (; not core 2 quad Q9400) can, and is the only hit of core i7 to. I was angry, disappointed, because I concentrated so much on computational power would not simply believe that it is so. But now I convert cut before, AVCHD is not reasonable, that horribly jerky.

The ct is in its test of premiere pro cs4 put an Apple 8 core computer, as we went.
.
Alternative: nvidia vga card quadroCX (; 1000 ¬), then with the help of a special software (; CUDA) mitrechnet.



Antwort von WoWu:

Alternative:
Windows 7, would then flip it synonymous with your calculator ... And one editing program (; update) the load balancing supported accordingly.
There is no question of computing power, but a question of architecture.
So do not set strong Calculator, but right on the software.



Antwort von vidoc:

we will meet again in the next thread, hello wolfgang.

I have not read ISBN 978-3-00-023484-2, but maybe you will betray synonymous here, what do you with the correct software (; exception of win7) mean. When was the last time your tip quadrocx except win7, which was not as effective for the hobbyvideoten. But it's true, I could try on the video computer win7 so without jeopardizing my only operating system-to. I had not even considered because I am quite distant from beta operating systems ... especially if they of (winzigweich come, ok, even the editorial ct) is downright euphoric

oh, yes, my provisional interim solution is the trans-coding of XDCAM EX, which occurs within the existing aufnahme-/wiedergabekette with me no visible quality loss (; use of dissolution and farbtestmusterkarten visually estimated)



Antwort von WoWu:

Hello Vidoc
.... The course starts with the operating system without the synonymous not the best application software gets up to speed ... But then there are now finally Windows 7 and if Apple is synonymous times in the stockings, some synonymous 2.6.
Apple will put out its Final Cut Pro to utilize the cores of the standard 2x4 configuration.
Windows will also ensure that there is contemporary video support.
This will require a (; and are synonymous with security) to follow suit with all the usual NLEs updates ... Clearly wait until the operating systems are there, wiel premature publication would lead nowhere. (; No OS).
So right software is all that is then matched to the new operating systems ...
Adobe is just forged ahead and has already times (; offered for a hurry), the DSP solution. But once they HW / OS combination is true, will premiere synonymous run properly without additional card.
And slowly everything will arrive just as we have been discussing the 1 1 / 2 years here .... it just needs everything (a little, more time).



Antwort von vidoc:

well, then I'll have time until then my XM1 dust again ... ;-)

seriously, if I say your sum up the last 48 hours, there is currently no practical alternative power to brute force, because a suitable hardware / software architecture while at work, but not currently available for the nonprofessional is real with no rich uncle.



Antwort von WoWu:

That makes it pretty accurate, but before you stick now the big bucks in a completely over-sized calculator, then you prefer the message that with patience and without major investment, synonymous old calculator can do.
One must not forget ... A 1080p picture is here with 40 Mhz ... 25 frames per second, also with approx. 2 GHz ...
To be with the right software, it must therefore not the fat calculator ... And the whole overclocking anyway cause quite the opposite ...
Those are actually good news for all, without rich inheritance uncle.
And the rich uncle with the wealthy have already picked up the frustration, because the big boxes are usually placed on anything really good.



Antwort von Daigoro:

"WoWu" wrote:

Windows will also ensure that there is contemporary video support.


Your word in God's ear.

"WoWu" wrote:

And slowly everything will arrive just as we have been discussing the 1 1 / 2 years here .... it just needs everything (a little, more time).


Unfortunately, very slowly.
The great thing is yes, both the hardware as synonymous with the theoretic concepts already longer than the 1 1 / 2 years there, but not end-user needs (; easy and integrated) and wide (; of the great producers in their mainstream products, not only small sweatshops and 'high end' providers are supported).
I hope the time is what it has done, due to the next camera (will, therefore, still 4-5 years .. the time is running out:))



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Daigoro
Quote:
Unfortunately, very slowly.

That's true ... and certainly a big mistake it was synonymous to bring a date consumer devices on the market, knowing that (the hardware, and software) not yet available. hope (; and that do not want to cut the user).
Panasonic and respect, has proven Sonyeinen disservice.

The good s.einer modified computer architecture and accompanying software is that the user is finally no longer confined to the two (; simple) Profiles of AVCHD have to actually show the main advantages of the new codec not so true could.
Maybe it's synonymous to sell so the AVCHD camcorder was placed so early into the market because they were with a reasonable RC (support, and broader profiles) then any case no longer could.
And I do not think that it will take even 4 years until the first Class 100 camcorder on the shelves they are no longer in the basic profile must be satisfied.
But we'll wait.








Antwort von Aloha:

Hello my experts

But you give yourselves and a flood of s.Informationen schmeisst with words around you who has an ordinary mortals not heard it!

S.vidoc egg question: with welchm program you are converting your AVCHD in what format? Are there any loss?

Incidentally, I must confess that I really do not even really know what is AVCHD, but I mean, at least to have understood that this must be the nec plus ultra.

Beautiful evening

S.alle And thank you, I'm the only poor fool as wise as before!

Aloha



Antwort von tello80m:

"Aloha" wrote:
Hello,

I recently bought the SonyHDR-XR520, and I would now follow suit with the PC.
Aldi has this week announced the Multimedia PC Akoya MD (8399 in the tender, 499 ¬).
Kan anybody tell me whether that is appropriate?
He has the following inside:
AMD Athlon X2 7750 Dual Core Processor
4Gb DDR2 SDRAM
1Tb hard drive
ATI Radeon HD4360 graphics card with DirectX 10.1 support, 512Mb memory and HDMI port
etc.

If that is not so suitable, what would be the perfect PC?
I feel like a graphics card synonymous with 2 or 3 outputs in order to distribute the program windows across multiple monitors to be.

Thanks for any tip.

Aloha
Hey,

great thread. Since I now also the owner of a XR520 and the whole would follow a little:)

LG



Antwort von vidoc:

@ Aloha

it has little sense of being disappointed, but if you do not know what is avchd ever, then you will get some basic recherche s.ein not over, read through the paragraphs of 2 in a thread exits. Now I have researched for months in my spare time, what has been done since the years when I recorded on DV video, everything.

a start to avchd offers wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avchd

And console yourself: every second posting of WoWu he writes something that I did not understand at first time, or throws up a shortcuts that I've never read before (; Sorry WoWu), but then I try to answer in the grid, if I believe that it might be important.

Well, (; s.alle expert: just by eye and simply too ;-))
said avchd is an (; compressed) video format with a resolution of 1920x1080 pixels (; purely coincidence that the resolution corresponds to the tv equipment which) are now sold so much. And now apparently the hard truth is: While you can buy cams that absorb in the format, but hardware and software that are normal and amibitionierte amateure artist can afford and avchd editing, it does not yet exist. That means you need to temporarily take in low resolution to accept or transcode jerky editing.

I have decided transcode me. I have already answered your question already up to ask about the making: Adobe Encoder CS4. XDCAM EX (; of Sony) is the format that can be handled smoothly with me in premiere pro.



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Vidoc

:-)) Nice said ... :-))

of course you can do it all ... synonymous, and all other contexts relating to HD, read up in my book ...
It will be synonymous all the things like hide the Manufacturer.
Oh, the keys are synonymous, of course, is all explained ... :-)



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Aloha" wrote:

But you give yourselves and a flood of s.Informationen schmeisst with words around you who has an ordinary mortals not heard it!


Hm
If more users would say 'I do not understand (; without 17 semester) degree, yes, works not at, I do not need, I do not buy', would the industry might start times are consistently working to take care solutions.

Thus, we are unfortunately leave in the current situation, the cameras, but provide the 'support' the troubled end users 'Internet' needs.
It does not really as simple as it should be around a bit and you will not capture drumrumkommen.



Antwort von RickyMartini:

@ WoWu,

I will now finally get a piece of your book, because I need in-depth knowledge on this topic for my thesis as a source. :)

The HD workflow s.meiner university wants to test and make improvement suggestions to the students using the SonyZ1 and finally synonymous SR12 in HD mode and especially the raw material can be used synonymous in the mail.



Antwort von WoWu:

@ RickyMartini
I think you'll find a lot interesting fact ... As always, I recommend the download, because that is in color. The print version is (;) for reasons of cost only S / W


By the way it is with the support of (; synonymous better) graphics cards now, blow by blow:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Nachgelegt-Radeon-Drivers-beschleunigen-Videokodierung--/meldung/139954



Antwort von hannes:

> By the way it is with the support of (; synonymous better) graphics cards now, blow by blow:

In Loiloskope is rendering to MP4 with this "acceleration" about 4x faster. (;) at least for me
Even the clips run smoothly in MK2 NEO.



Antwort von Reinhard S:

"Vidoc" wrote:
@ Aloha
Well, (; s.alle experts: just eye to and through ;-)) put simply, is avchd a (; compressed) video format with a resolution of 1920x1080 pixels ... jerky editing accept or transcode.

But now you can from a material - for example, JVC GY-HM100 - now without Umcodiererei eg with Edius - the officially sold to average computer would have a i7-920 natively edit in there -? In advertising is nothing that we must first convert.

I 'I'd like to buy us the aforementioned Cam synonymous looking for a config for a cut calculator.

Reinhard








Antwort von domain:

The material of the HM 100 would have always been synonymous with Edius edit natively been. It is mpeg2 in three possible variants, of which at least is suitable for Edius.



Antwort von amlug:

I hope you do not interfere with me once a question ...

@ WoWu: You write (; synonymous in the other thread relating to) that AVCHD editing with the upcoming Windows 7 first time without expensive DV Editing-/graphics cards will be possible. In another thread you still explicitly call the combination i7 CPU and Win7.

Applies generally or only in conjunction with corresponding optimized editing software? If the latter: what would it be, or have an interest to newer versions / updates will be maintained? Would that - now or in the foreseeable updates - only professional Programs à la Premiere Pro or synonymous which the consumer class?

(; And I just saw: for students gibts Premiere Pro with over 50% off ... Wow!)

Have a nice afternoon.
Greeting Amlug



Antwort von Aloha:

Hello,

synonymous enroll again to speak.

I was reminded today that I am in possession of Premiere Pro 7, which I had geupgradet few years ago and was advised against forgotten, because the program to me constantly and I locked the thing synonymous, despite the help of Adobe not have to get a grip.
I installed it again and it works just fine.
It seems to me that you can edit to HD, or not?
An AVCHD, it is not allowed to have too.

Do you think it is viable to spend the 343 ¬ for the upgrade to the latest version?

Beautiful evening

Aloha



Antwort von deti:

AVCHD, I would tend towards Sony Vegas Movie Studio (; tend about 60 ¬) or Pro (; about 500 ¬). The clear liquid is running.

Deti



Antwort von hannes:

> Do you think it is viable to spend the 343 ¬ for the upgrade to the latest version?

I think NO.
1. Canopus, the NEO can be better and
2. can Loiloskope the cheaper

Both programs run smoothly in the preview clips from the self-MK2. The views do with ÄÄdoobiii



Antwort von wolfgang:

Short time, asked: what are the improvements that will bring Windows 7 for AVCHD editing? What is there waiting for a performance leap? DAS would be times of real interest.



Antwort von domain:

After some users have long with the beta version of Windows 7 and so far no experiment sensational reports of an acceleration of NLE (; arrived without Cuda, etc.), I guess it is first time to bring any significant performance boost.
However, Windows 7 will enable symmetric multiprocessing, which could allow for parallel processing of the super long GOP's favor, and AVCHD, but only if the previously existing software will be reprogrammed to what is by no means an easy task and will be quite expensive.



Antwort von WoWu:

Not the GoP length is the criterion, as measured s.HDV2 AVC has a significantly smaller GoP length, because with a GoP of 99 and 16 I frames to get to an information content of a GoP of 6! corresponds to MPEG2.
In contrast, the HDV2 GoP is 3x as long.
Moreover, just adds to the B-frames have another information content and "almost" as I frames can be used.
We must therefore consider not only the one page of the GoP, but synonymous needs to understand what it means.
But as I said, not the GoP length is the criterion, but the parallel access to the entire I-frame number, and not just to a single I-frame (; as MPEG2) as a reference.
But the details are synonymous on the holding time of the I-frames described already in several contributions.
And about the updates of NLEs, no company gets around anyway, unless it comes from the freeware corner. And if we look to MPEGs implementation framework for a moment that you will find that a long time since so many "freedoms have been left" as in MPEG2, which has resulted in MPEG2 synonymous with the known malfunction. To that extent, it really is for the companies no "Selbstgänger" and good companies can more easily distinguish of "cheapies".



Antwort von wolfgang:

And how does this affect me, the simultaneous access to I-frames? Faster decoding? Do not change the intermediate images are calculated - where's the advantage of windows 7?

Because synonymous, I have yet heard of any real advantages, but we have surely not synonymous s.Windows 7 Adapted NLEs.

In addition: synonymous Vista 64 so far brings few benefits, or only s.recht extensive hardware - in the 64bit version of Vegas seems only s.8 GB RAM or more, and at least with 4-core systems, possibly synonymous only s.8 core systems. Only here was synonymous said in another thread, that will have Windows 7 for the AVCHD editing synonymous benefits on older PCs .... And since I would be interested in the stop.








Antwort von WoWu:

Hello Wolfgang ...
long time no hear ... Greeting to Vienna!
Has already touched on how domain that uses the operating system without the support of the application of course not, because the Programs usually come as a monolithic block, therefore, not provided for in the rule for multitasking.
Accordingly, the process window synonymous points to only one core, are synonymous when checked in Task Manager, all the cores ... you take away the check mark, it changes nothing s.der process speed.
(; Way are listed in the TM not all internal processes, and therefore the utilization of the cores is still no indication of a breakdown in the process of application)
The multicore Calculator does not matter if the program does not divide the processes (; and afterwards together again) leads.
This must be provided in the program code, which requires a huge shift, and especially debugging.
The operating system must support these processes, and above all, it is not data, as in the past, the present for a long period in the memory were (;) are automatically overwritten.
The advantage lies in the fact that parallels the processing of multiple I-frames, which now are held in RAM and not in memory (; process).
By the way synonymous requires the merging of the processes re-computing performance such s.and Optimization synonymous, of course, distinguishes good software.
As for the "older" Calculator, all are meant to allow multiple processes or threads, that is certainly not the 386 :-)
Because a process can indeed run out of multiple threads. These threads are then assigned to one process but may then be of Windows running on different cores.
So far, the threads were synonymous limited to the core process that could slow down quite significantly Programs.
Just because there can be an interaction between OS, applications and hardware needs, is synonymous to explain why no NLE Manufacturer updates on the market already has .... without any OS that would not provide the necessary performance.
But after all, so moving there.



Antwort von wolfgang:

Yes, long time nothing heard - Greetings from Vienna back.

I see it's just so that today we already have some NLEs Quadcores very good support - Premiere, Edius, Vegas, for example. If only it is, then the jump of approximately 64 to Windows 7 is Vista, but not a great innovation?

Good, the codecs are obviously included. But is that the time had not so much the problem, the codec can be synonymous wonanders come here (: even in XP).

I feel the matter is not yet clear - may be what's really inside. Good we still have no s.Windows 7 custom applications - but we have that for Vista, and there has still not much moved. Well, perhaps kommts still.



Antwort von WoWu:

Although I do not really think (; ignorance) whether Vista and the other uses just linear processing power and make it basically the way with MPEG2, so I frame (; s) in the main memory, work off and remove. This requires, of course, synonymous say that with AVCHD is still easy to accomplish, because the full potential of AVC will be here not yet used, because AVCHD is currently using only 4 I-frames in a GoP of 45, which is about the quality of HDV2's coming. Accordingly, shorter holding periods are synonymous in memory. One such relatively small compact GoP can be sure to pack synonymous linear. Synonymous one could explain why the performance almost linearly correlated with the computing power. But I think when it comes right down to business at AVC, receive such quick processing methods "blue shoes".
So I would not conclude, given the small load that optimized process and thread held distributions, especially as they have to rely on the essential OS. (; What is currently not yet in the case may be).
We can not really remember that, yes finally AVC AVCHD is not to be equated with, and especially not in its qualitative, with AVCHD (still, not very long) the end of the flagpole has been reached.

Edit: Perhaps an addendum relating to the "older" Calculator:
Apple's new OS 10.6 is limited to all Intel-based. So no G4 or G5 more. Use no more about it beyond carbon as language, but Cocoa.
Carbon always had the limitation of 4 GB of RAM, which is for the future processing demands too little. Cocoa addressed in the terabyte range.
This, in turn, of course, is synonymous requires new software. So there will be a FCP3 and is expected until after the extradition of expected to be 10.6. So maybe October / November




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