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Test: Sanyo Xacti VPC-HD2000

Review: Sanyo Xacti VPC-HD2000



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Mai 2009

Test: Test: Sanyo Xacti VPC-HD2000 of rudi - 4 May 2009 14:31:00
> Apparently there s.Videomarkt Sanyo taste. Thus, the company this year, the same variety of HD models in many Fassion on the market. Current top model is probably the VPC-HD2000, which with a specialty draws attention: You should (as the first consumer camera ever) 1080P60 dominate. That we wanted to see ...




Antwort von motiongroup:

Hello Rudi, I have been synonymous to the test on Camcorderinfo.com

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/ratings.php

read and what amazes me on a completely different result. Especially when you look at the Preisgebahrung among internet service providers so committed is the difference for both Cams (FH1 and HD2000) with ~ 550Euros in no case of an allegedly reputable manufacturer to topen.

Even in the technical achievements is reflected in Camcorder Info a very different picture ..
It would be interesting how this comes to ethics.

mdg



Antwort von darg:

Sanyo has so unfortunately still does not respond in terms of codec. Since the cam rather the impression of a robust action and leave Point & shooter makes the codec is synonymous in the third generation of this camera is not directly editable without a NASA mainframe.
The image quality is still lagging behind and the digital still Stabbi whole image sequences over multiple frames compulsively hold, which of course looks great with pans and with horizontally moving objects is very disturbing bemerktbar. When the get to the series? My Old Sonyof 2000 could already and was not super expensive, but with older technology!








Antwort von alfmo:

Hello Slashcam editorial team, thank you for the test report. As my motion Vorkommentator group, I know the assessment of camcorderinfo.com where Sanyo HF a Canon S10 and a SonyHDR-XR520 from the field has beaten!
As far as I am personally concerned, I find the above lowlight shots of Sanyo is much better than the potentially relatively sharp and noise-free, but almost black lowlight shots of RF-S10.
Greetings!
Alfred



Antwort von darg:

So let's be honest. For a mole in the duster, the images are OK but the Sanyo as well as something Lighting / light there is, the Sanyo behind every HV10 hintendran - In terms of sharpness, color and image quality is generally synonymous and the 2000 is not better, unless it happen but still wonder. But the notoriously take a bit longer :-)



Antwort von motiongroup:

demand shown ... why you need a sluggish mainframe and NASA take no NSA TransLTR ...

Regardless is just irony ... I did the cutting with no problem you just need the right software will help .. if possible fit but synonymous CUDA via intermediate is not a problem ..

Take a look at the HD2000 on Vimeo channel and to seek out the original clips.

Where he is right but the Darge (find me ARG) is the lack of a functioning OIS or EIS than ever ACTION Camera fails.

Tripod is announced, if possible ... or the good old hand rest is often sought but not found ..* gggg



Antwort von Zizi:

All SANYO is currently the best cams in Lowlight under 1000 ¬ which I have seen alone so they are totally worth your money!
The 1000 roars to a friend of even less than an XH A1 ..
Each case comes before me so it would be an aversion to Slashcam Sanyo have because the cams are in my opinion except in the sharpness of any Canon / Sony / Pana Konsumercam ahead!
The perfect "FullHD" Anytime Camera with 60p and now is no doubt the Sanyo in its price segment and expectations Camera is the best! Who wants to have the Aperture or Shutter taxes ..
This Cam is easy to hold out for a carefree film conceived and first cam the picture is not entirely vergrießelt only if you want in a church and others. wants to film as there is a preponderance HF100 me!



Antwort von Shiranai:

Of course, eat the Cam in Lowlight genial.
But low-light makes perhaps just 20% of which from what the customer with a standard Xacti films - mainly holiday movies.

Alone because of the lack of OIS and the lack of PAL modes include this cam for me rather to the whole Aiptek and FlipMinos, synonymous when these lengths to surpass.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Say, Zizi - could you look at the basic rules of punctuation trained - particularly in the use of commas? And you with the opportunity once again to inform you when you use an exclamation s.Satzende and where it goes?

And yet just let the verdict: Class instead of mass ...

I Could .. I will not!
I think my posts, despite the error everyone understands!
If not he must not read them ..
Greeting

Quote:
Of course, eat the Cam in Lowlight genial.
But low-light makes perhaps just 20% of which from what the customer with a standard Xacti films - mainly holiday movies.

Alone because of the lack of OIS and the lack of PAL modes include this cam for me rather to the whole Aiptek and FlipMinos, synonymous when these lengths to surpass.

Times I had it on a short break in Agypthen / Hong Kong with.
Was thrilled of the quality!
Especially in the temples, pyramids and dark where it is occasionally
makes them a very good figure where a ridiculous HF10 was / is!
Even a camera can be replaced by Sanyo.
The photos with her are really useful .. (better than Sony's models) and the handling is a real pleasure .. I miss so of the OIS is not really for beginners though he already would be useful!
Eben is an increasingly Camera where I do not find much to complain except for the WW and the lens cap!
For all other purchases is better to use a prosumer in sachen picture is not much more to offer!
But I speak of the Xati 1000/1010!
The 2000s, I had never seen, however, is hardly inferior to the light and Strong Lens CMOS have been maintained, therefore I think of the 60p mode, a successful enlargement!



Antwort von motiongroup:

here are channels for the Xacti HDs
http://vimeo.com/channels/xacti
http://vimeo.com/channels/sanyohd

so many to rethink his opinion may ..

times s.die nothing relating to contribute ... Database and keep slim and write nothing has helped many ...

THANK YOU



Antwort von Shiranai:

Quote:
Especially in the temples, pyramids and dark where it is occasionally makes a very good figure where a ridiculous HF10 was / is!

Do you have a synonymous u HF10 dabeigehabt a comparative test done? Otherwise, I would say pure speculation. Do not believe the HF10 so massive would be much worse off.

Quote:
I miss so of the OIS is not really for beginners though he already would be useful!

For Beginners? Do you tremble at the hands of professionals less? So in my opinion, you can see the difference immediately, these small tremors in the Picture with OIS's just not, and therefore of the material looks very much a quiet and professional from. Secondly isses synonymous a cost factor, you have a good s.dem Cam can recognize. An EIS is simply cost savings scrap.

Quote:
But I speak of the Xati 1000/1010!

And exactly the camcorderinfo.com also has a good deal worse off than all the Canon HV, HF and HGS - despite good Lowlight.



Antwort von motiongroup:

To Quadruplex ....

again, PLEASE do not waste the FRED to ... relating to write or leave it.

@ Shiranai there as so often in life very well-functioning or not functioning well .. both available at OIS or synonymous with EIS.
JVCs HD7 OIS had and who was for 10 cups of coffee drinkers not to use Sofer they shot out of hand have ... synonymous to the HM100 ~ 3500 Euros will cost has this property.

The paragraph or 10x Optical 16x Optical Zoom is a Schmarn since it relies on the eh very nice site explaining what the difference is.

But the fact is that the HD1000, HD1010 with the HD2000 not or FH1 is given to compare the files of the 1000s most of the programs incorrectly identified and processed.








Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Do you have a synonymous u HF10 dabeigehabt a comparative test done? Otherwise, I would say pure speculation. Do not believe the HF10 so massive would be much worse off.

Jep hab much compare their 2 believe me the Sanyo almost plays in another league as noise is concerned!
Quote:
And exactly the camcorderinfo.com also has a good deal worse off than all the Canon HV, HF and HGS - despite good Lowlight.

Lowlight are off anyway but all consumer zeimlich mature .. the only weak point is Lowlight at all .. Only the Sanyo has s.besten in hand and is still one of the cheapest!
The weak imagine it is but has always known .. but because one could carp at each Cam begin!
Who lost their touch more sharpness and OIS wishes to be just a more expensive Canon or Sony grasping .. but it does not surprise wenns Rauschig economic times.

Quote:
For Beginners? Do you tremble at the hands of professionals less?

a trained filmmaker knows to deal with it .. many years ago I filmed or otherwise as it is now! and the fact that the design of the Sanyo cope with trembling hands more than a "normal" is the optical stability garnicht to miss.
Is probably synonymous nostalgic or question marks are unknown Manufacturer enen about to buy are so much opposed Sanyo! but only as to the INFO: many chips in the Canons come synonymous from the Sanyo factory ;-)
Had a Sanyo or professional XH A1 Cam on the market, the Manufacturer provides better call in the holiday film segment!
I am in any case have been highly satisfied with the part and I could not imagine a better Urlaubscam ..
A XH A1 or EOS mitzuschleppen is synonymous halt synonymous not always pleasant when I would prefer!



Antwort von Shiranai:

Quote:
Jep hab much compare their 2 believe me the Sanyo almost plays in another league as noise is concerned!

Then the lad time high, I would be quite interested.



Antwort von motiongroup:

http://vimeo.com/channels/xacti
http://vimeo.com/channels/sanyohd

available to hundreds



Antwort von Shiranai:

Also in this section cuts the FH1, yes the same hardware as the HD2000, pretty bad against ne HF S10 from (low-light comparisons toward the end). And the S10 RF iss nich so now is the Lowlight queen.




Antwort von motiongroup:

not quite the same times but read the comments ... it puts a lot and do dier File down the orig ... Flashfile which is not suitable to ...

Try different synonymous with viewers and do not wonder that all the results vary.



Antwort von rudi:

Hi folks,

sorry, when you first upload of the article did not Lowlight Picture enlarged over, but that we have now exchanged. (The database was the beginning of all but s.OK). As in the test report is written, the Sanyo in low light really bright and colorful, however, see the Farbwolken in moving from sort of grottig. You do not really noisy in the classical sense, but they "wolkt" much more. These clouds can be seen synonymous very well when the camcorder is about the 11 lux test images to view. There is simply in a strange land Farbbrei, synonymous not know how I describe it better be. The testing of camcorder attaches Info seemingly not such effects. That is according to the measured values pure Sanyo certainly gone very well, but who is sowas times on a FullHD screen viewing, just looks a very unbecoming, turbulent picture, where the colors are not very constant.

As it looks now rowing Info synonymous something back:

Quote:
"Editor's note: double-checking our results with the Sanyo VPC-HD2000, we noticed s.error had been made in our low light sensitivity test. Previously, the camcorder's sensitivity had been tested using a slow shutter-a feature that is not supposed to be engaged during our low light testing. This resulted in the camcorder sensitivity posting a better score than we should have reported. We sincerely apologize for the error and have updated the article to reflect the new, correct test results. "


Therefore we ask you as readers synonymous, but in a separate Picture of the camcorders to make by your multiple sources compares. We too can make mistakes, no question, and Low-light quality is a very subjective term. Some like it sharper and rauschiger, the other heavily blurred and rauschunterdrückt (and the third like clouds;)

And no, we hate Sanyo not. We see quite a lot of good synonymous sites s.der Cam.

Many greetings

Rudi



Antwort von Zizi:

So compare to Vimeo and Youtube are not relevant for me!
First, the runterkomprimiert whether 25p or 60p will be given equal and the question is whether the comparatively synonymous fair ..
Particularly 60p less exposure time and gets darker as ever as 30p, and the gain of a camera is not at all the same!
In any case, I am convinced by the Sanyo less intoxicating as any Canon under 3000 euros .. therefore of any instance in Lowlight better to use alone in the post to aufhelen!
It's my experience ..
At least, I prefer ugly clouds as noise as if everything übern Picture ants running!
like here http://www.zizis-blog.com/ISO/XHA1Nacht.jpg
(XH A1 with the automatic)



Antwort von worldclub:

Quote:
Because mittlwerweile can be found in the price segment around the $ 500 retail price cheap synonymous (Expiry-) models of Sony, Panasonic, Canon and JVC


What (Discontinued-) models can be because for around 500 ¬ a friend?
Let us talk as of HD Cams and Cams of SD?



Antwort von rudi:

how's it with (priced anything):

SonyHDR-TG3E
Canon HG10

or something over it:

Canon HF100
JVC Everio GZ-HD40








Antwort von Zizi:

How about with this http://geizhals.at/eu/a278172.html
I doubt this price s.unter dam which will better!



Antwort von worldclub:

"rudi" wrote:
how's it with (priced anything):

SonyHDR-TG3E
Canon HG10

or something over it:

Canon HF100
JVC Everio GZ-HD40


The Sonygefällt me really well, I like the format synonymous.
Be still my next read through the forum.
Thank you in advance for the tips.



Antwort von darg:

"motion group" wrote:

But the fact is that the HD1000, HD1010 with the HD2000 not or FH1 is given to compare the files of the 1000s most of the programs incorrectly identified and processed.


In how far different than the files of the new HD2000 and HD1010?
I have to many as the Cam Hauptcam for a single private project and used Sony Vegas Pro8.0 could read the material but not properly play in the TL and my calculator is not exactly weak.
They were recognized as a logical file with AVC 1080i 60fps.
VLC could play them well, other players have to hang it.
The files appear in my HD1010 incredibly cumbersome on the calculator, colors appear rather dark, moving objects are verzittert and if they are in the recording stopped and only then to start to move until they are detained and then shaking the whole picture when the Stabi abandon.



Antwort von motiongroup:

Hello Darge, the files of the 1010 and 1000 are from a 30p to 60i is expected.

The programs are usually recognized as a 59.94 i 29.97 a p..
If you are in the majority of players ansiehst eckt repeatedly in playback as it is 30p from 60i.


Excerpt from the documentary

Quote:
!: 1920 × 1080 pixels, 60i Pictures about 30p frames per second to say about 59.94 i 29.97 p *
": 1280 × 720 pixels, 60p frames per second
&: 1280 × 720 pixels, 30p frames per second

* The frame rate this camera is 59.94 frames per second (at 60 frames per second) and 29.97 frames per second (at 30 frames per second).



when transcoding by EDIUS5 the material is in all goodness to process without problems, VDL Transcodiert to 1080p30 without any problems and it is usable via LOILOSCOPE ..

But what strikes me and please note that most players in the material of very different quality of ...

What is real what is wrong in us is presented s.Viewer ..

Comparison of the viewer

VCL
WMP11
PowerDVD7Platin
Mplayer Classic

We can output via the docking station via HDMI as relevant to her? #

The Rudi has taken himself fit testing in the appropriate configuration ...
As I said the files are in the 2000s without Edius5 and when to use but ...



Antwort von LarsProgressiv:

Hello everybody!

Since I am very interested in the HD2000, I found it beautiful that this Camera Slashcam tested.

However disturb me s.den tests are often the settings for the same.
Take for instance notes that only one 60p-60i deinterlaced, why are the tests will not be easy in 60i or even better made with 30p?

That was also the main message for me that the 1080p60 mode calculated 60i version. Then I know that this mode, I never cease.

The clouds in low-light mode, I move up just so deinterlacing. Therefore, a test in other formats synonymous interesting. With 30p would have been synonymous for more exposure time.

The fact that the files of each program are processed smooth is because the programs are designed to AVCHD and h.264 but next is taken.

Sanyo recognized this problem with the HD1000 and found a firmware, which the files are written slightly differently. Unfortunately, the firmware is not on the German Page but only on the



Antwort von darg:

"motion group" wrote:
Hello Darge, the files of the 1010 and 1000 are from a 30p to 60i is expected.

The programs are usually recognized as a 59.94 i 29.97 a p..
If you are in the majority of players ansiehst eckt repeatedly in playback as it is 30p from 60i.


Excerpt from the documentary

Quote:
!: 1920 × 1080 pixels, 60i Pictures about 30p frames per second to say about 59.94 i 29.97 p *
": 1280 × 720 pixels, 60p frames per second
&: 1280 × 720 pixels, 30p frames per second

* The frame rate this camera is 59.94 frames per second (at 60 frames per second) and 29.97 frames per second (at 30 frames per second).



when transcoding by EDIUS5 the material is in all goodness to process without problems, VDL Transcodiert to 1080p30 without any problems and it is usable via LOILOSCOPE ..

But what strikes me and please note that most players in the material of very different quality of ...

What is real what is wrong in us is presented s.Viewer ..

Comparison of the viewer

VCL
WMP11
PowerDVD7Platin
Mplayer Classic

We can output via the docking station via HDMI as relevant to her? #

The Rudi has taken himself fit testing in the appropriate configuration ...
As I said the files are in the 2000s without Edius5 and when to use but ...


That would mean that the recording mode 60i do not actually exist, but only emulated from 30p. But would explain why in my example, pass out of the car look so horrible. Possibly. it helps me not only to 60i, but 30p to run and when the convertieren then convert to 60i. Possibly. VP8 there is better than the Cam-chip?



Antwort von darg:

"LarsProgressiv" wrote:
Hello everybody!



Sanyo recognized this problem with the HD1000 and found a firmware, which the files are written slightly differently. Unfortunately, the firmware is not on the German Page but only on the



Antwort von Zizi:

Is the Sanyo synonymous with a history like the JVCs with the HD5 where synonymous 50p off was standing in reality there were only 50i?
I thought that the genuine 60p are now .. Computed performance of the chips would be destined for a long time s.Markt!



Antwort von darg:

"Zizi" wrote:
Is the Sanyo synonymous with a history like the JVCs with the HD5 where synonymous 50p off was standing in reality there were only 50i?
I thought that the genuine 60p are now .. Computed performance of the chips would be destined for a long time s.Markt!


The computing power is s.Markt but just do not stop for hand-held applications. The draw still hold too much power :-(;








Antwort von LorPGDL:

So I've had and the fh1 before the canon hf 100 and have to say to a moderate quake shakes and partly in the building and the ps3 does not play the files, it is subjective, in my view, both in good light as synonymous with low light better, at low light for more than a piece better. but myself and test wems do not make use of the revocation. but solely of the data since the sanyo zb is already much better than the canon hf 200 (chip size)



Antwort von LarsProgressiv:

Hello shown,

"shown" wrote:
Is there such an update is synonymous for the HD1010? Have tried the URL rewrite, but there are no sides to 1010th


I know of no Firmwärapdäit for the HD1010. But the correction of my HD1000 came out before the synonymous On the market since the HD1010, so the HD1010 the "errors" no longer should have had.

Regards
Lars



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
alone of the data since the sanyo zb is already significantly better than the canon hf 200 (; chip size)

So it is .. the bigger the screen the more geiler the Picture!
That's why I currently film with the MarkII ;-)
I do not check why the sensors are getting smaller .. ?
Since the first Pro / Consumer HD Cams has improved in image quality showed little improvement .. Bad enough that a photographic camera (; 5D MkII) and a 350 ¬ Sanyo Lowlightkünstler the best among the ¬ 10,000 range are .. really embarrassing!



Antwort von darg:

[quote = "Zizi"]
Quote:

I do not check why the sensors are getting smaller .. ?


Pure cost issue. The smaller the chip, the more fit on a wafer in the production, the higher your yield will be synonymous (and the smaller unit price per run), because more chips per wafer are available. The catch is that optical chip yield is always low, so even the smallest error for each loss of a chip lead.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Pure cost issue. The smaller the chip, the more fit on a wafer in the production, the higher your yield will be synonymous (and the smaller unit price per run), because more chips per wafer are available. The catch is that optical chip yield is always low, so even the smallest error for each loss of a chip lead.

Nevertheless, it is incomprehensible to me that in this sector
because profit is hardly a step forward ..
You need to just imagine what a HF100 could make if the sensor about 3x as big!
Because I would like to double synonymous for as a part of pay ..
I would certainly not synonymous and thus the only one that would be profitable but!
All are under ¬ 10,000 but anyway what vollschrot Noise / sensor size is concerned!



Antwort von motiongroup:

@ Rudi

Quote:
As it looks now rowing Info synonymous something back:


the synonymous, they have already done, and the result corrected itself with these values are stores ... only the Pana HS300 has managed to beat them if synonymous with conceivable short distance ...

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-HDC-HS300--Review-36492.htm

Looking at the price but, I get almost two HD2000 question



Antwort von darg:

"Zizi" wrote:

Nevertheless, it is incomprehensible to me that in this sector
because profit is hardly a step forward ..
You need to just imagine what a HF100 could make if the sensor about 3x as big!
Because I would like to double synonymous for as a part of pay ..
I would certainly not synonymous and thus the only one that would be profitable but!
All are under ¬ 10,000 but anyway what vollschrot Noise / sensor size is concerned!


Well, if the chip is three times as large, would ensure the price to rise nine times. Optical chips are in the manufacture of very problematic. While at the "normal" processor manufacturing error can be tolerated and mostly only at lower clock rates mean errors in the optics field either hot pixels or dead pixels and that's Committee. If they are small enough, you can wegrechnen but that is not always the case.
Smaller chips are synonymous a kind Frotschritt:
- Less power consumption
- Cheaper, because smaller lenses (OK, that's only good for the Manufacturer!)
- Smaller Cameras

That is holding the Teufelsklreislauf from developing and marketing :-)



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Well, if the chip is three times as large, would ensure the price to rise nine times.

I doubt it .. da wär then maybe the Cam 1-2/3 expensive ..
Why synonymous anymore? I fold the 9 my HF100 would be a dan ~ 6000 ¬
3x to get a 5D MARK2 with a minimum of 10x as large as a sensor has HF100!
One with a big chip hlab such as that of the 5D for ~ 1000 ¬ in the construction of a JVC HD7 and everything about geritzt!
Only Manufacturer is not willing to build something ..
(Probably a question for the customer always rudimentary to breast Langfrisstige order to attract clients)
Because who has 10 years, the same cam and who often goes to the Manufacturer ...



Antwort von darg:

I speak of chip prices and because already plays tenth cents a role when you compare it to the volume contracts. Was perhaps not so over.








Antwort von alfmo:

Hi folks,
when I look at the file to read, so I feel already so confirmed that the Sanyo 2000 good lowlight videos makes. Thanks s.Zizi, shiranai, but vssmotiongroup for the reference to the video on vimeo.de who have convinced me.
@ Rudi:
camcorderinfo.com rowing very little back, the reason lies in the fact that in the first test shutter speeds longer than 1 / 60 sec have been admitted. Nevertheless, they lowlighttechnisch a par with the Pana HS 300 and well ahead of Canon and Sony.
Walk-in Slashcam lowlight test with slow shutter speeds or not? This would be synonymous for me to explain why the Sony520 here lowlightechnisch so good and performs at camcorderinfo.com not.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Nevertheless, they lowlighttechnisch a par with the Pana HS 300 and well ahead of Canon and Sony.

So the Sanyo 1000 is far less noisy as any other I've had and certainly synonymous better as a HS300 ..
Naturally, it is not now the yellow from the egg but under 2000 ¬, I knew what really nothing better in Lowlight Rauscht less!



Antwort von Tobias Claren:

If the 2000 is the successor to the 1010?
"VPC" comes to me before.

What are the differences to the 1010th
Are there any points which are worse than the 1010?
What does it mean that there is no AVCHD logo is? Qualitatively, but not less efficient compression, right?
Can the camera in hardware no more than 24MBit or could simply Manufacturer modes with more bandwidth it will only install if wanted?

What are the alternatives in this price class (; primary and pocket format as here) there are better? This was so under the ISO test image above.
What is the best "trouser pockets-1080-Camera"?
Here, for example, the "HDR-TG3E mentioned. What can be better or worse or not (; Functions in Comparison with the Sanyo 2000)? I read of 1080i. So P is not like the Sanyo the 2000th And apparently no 60 frames, otherwise it would be so mentioned. Furthermore, it seems, at least in the photos as the Sanyo had a significantly greater Lens (;?).
And the memory sticks still cost twice.
MM: Best price / GB ratio = 8GB for about ¬ 20
SDHC: Best price / GB ratio = 16GB for about ¬ 22
And the Sonyhat maximum 16Mbit / s



Antwort von motiongroup:

http://www.camcorderinfo.de/content/Sanyo-Xacti-VPC-HD2000--Review-31.htm

Now at times the entire German ...

great service ..




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