Hi, I'm new here, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Maria, I'm a professional photographer in the editorial section and much synonymous in landscape and travel.
My friend and I go in three weeks in a major U.S. holiday and wished for or get a camcorder. Since we want to make just the typical holiday movies (he has s.Hut with something like nothing, and I'd rather stay in photos), but I do still appreciate a good picture quality, I had actually be targeted to the Canon HF200. Would with extra battery and Charger synonymous fit well into the planned budget of 550-600 euro. The alternative would be a Panasonic SD66, new, but it synonymous with fewer options (microphone connection, filter). But since the problem is already going on:
Unfortunately, I am (probably atypical of my gender) with cameras and more technologically adept may prefer high-quality solutions, synonymous in terms of equipment. In addition, the agency I work with the more frequent, synonymous publishes a video podcast, and they asked me many times before, because if I could not even shoot my work. The format is 720p50, unfortunately I have not found a camcorder that offers that.
Long story short, by the test, I came across the Panasonic SD707. Which seems not only a good picture quality but might be more synonymous with 1080p50 720p50 to downscale for a suitable than the entire camcorder in 1080i50. A microphone connector is synonymous here, and manual controls are generally sympathetic to me.
I will only really afford not to, especially since few of the "Making Of" contributions except the thing mainly as a vacation camera is used, as synonymous and should record only memories. On the other hand there are "only" 400 euro difference, and yes 1080p50 has something for themselves.
What do you think I should take reflection, prefer the HF200 and convert the few making-of reports of 1080i50 to 720p50? Hardy's just that I hardly have any idea of Videos, and the camcorder should last certainly for the next four to five years at least, on the other hand however, I (often unnecessarily) facilities and qualities just appreciate it.
Please help, greetings Mary
Antwort von deti:
... for pragmatic reasons, I would rather start small with a HF200 to determine if the topic you video at all fun. What most hobbyists is not clear, you might even make sense as professionals: The real work begins after the shooting at the cut. Here is infinite for a good movie on it much time - there's the reworking of photos a breeze against.
1080p50 is indeed a great format, but there is currently no official standard. Therefore, there might be issues with various editing programs, but most certainly it can only s.Computer play in that resolution. Bluerays or Media Player-boxes can not currently 1080p50. Probably will soon become a standard 1080p50 and then taste the cameras are no longer synonymous 1080i50 than previous models.
With None of the two cameras can produce professional, because neither the optical quality (eg no wide angle, blurred picture with large f-number) or the handling (direct manual control and feel) they are suitable. - It would have to take significantly more money already in hand (> 3000 ¬).
720p50 is a great format when it comes to slow motion, or generally good motion resolution. Production for the web but all of 25p or 30p (1080 and 720). Thus, it would be simply no preference whether one 1080i50 or 720p50 by scaling / conversion makes 720p25.
If you for taking pictures in the foreground, it would perhaps synonymous with a film SLR camera function very interesting. Here offer the latest Canon cameras (EOS550D, 7D, 5D Mark II, 1D Mark IV). If you are Nikonians, the shooting there is currently not yet sufficiently mature.
Hope that helps.
Deti
Antwort von Recce:
Thanks Deti,
we want to be no amateur filmmakers. For us in private, we just need a simple camcorder with reasonable image quality to capture memories. The movie function of small digicams is enough for me in there, not qualitatively. Maybe I would use the synonymous one time or another manual options, but that will definitely remain the exception. It runs as a whole also tend to the typical holiday movies. Afterwards cut, clear, rational Bissel what it is supposed to be all right. As a program I have sony vegas 9 here (left of one Project), seems to cope with 1080p50 come.
That which is published as a video podcast is with us but in fact 720p50. Respectively. That is provided as an input material, synonymous may be due to a synonymous Blu-ray production is planned. Professional is as synonymous in quotation marks to set, basically it's all about the documentation of my work. This would require an extra purchase a professional camera really is (for me) exaggerated. I see the SD707 is quite realistic as something "higher quality" entry level.
With regard to video-capable SLRs, medium format I use in addition to the Canon 5D Mark 2 synonymous and synonymous could test the Canon 550D already. If I wanted to put in movies as much creativity as I do in case of photographs, which come into question for me. But for the carefree shooting are good that really is not. Especially not when one friend wants to use ;-)
Greetings Mary
PS: Probably the HF200 but the more sensible choice. And yet still appeals to me the technique of the SD707, synonymous of the viewfinder!
Antwort von r.p.television:
I wanted to pick up on synonymous Deti's last tip and in light of that you are a photographer advise a Canon 5D Mark II. The costs a lot more, but perhaps you already have the relevant lenses as 50mm 1.4, 30mm 1.4, 2.8 and 24-70mm 70-200mm 2.8 and more. Nikkor lenses can be adapted, Canon lenses of course, without adapter. If you lived as a photographer are you to put an Bokeh and like more flexibility in terms of exposure, you will Draufhalt with a pixel as a recorder HF200 be bored quickly. One can just draufhalten only. The Canon 5DMk2 can not 720p50 and 1080p50 synonymous not only 1080p25 or p24 and p30. Has no swivel display synonymous (that is bad for Selbstfilmen and the like). But the thing I'd look at it. The other DSLRs such as 550D and 7D are similar. Unfortunately, a good bit blurred.
Antwort von Alf_300:
now what? Easy-video as a reminder and then pro-Blu-Ray
Antwort von r.p.television:
OK. Your response has overlapped with my. If you know the 5Dmk2 and various lenses already owns but is super. Then I would take on all cases. Mix by then an HF200 or the Panasonic. If you want to capture something very unusual and otherwise take the 5Dmk2 the camcorder.
Antwort von Replay:
I take pictures and movies. And as synonymous in the photograph is during the shoot: Not the camera makes the picture, but the man behind the camera. Will read: Who of the Matter understand what can make a simpler device with better results than if someone runs without knowledge of the matter with a high quality device through the area.
If for you but Stillimage is important, I would recommend the Panasonic SD66. Why? Because you want to operate with security for the shooting is not very difficult, so I think that the board resources are the SD66. A filter is not appropriate in every situation (just as synonymous with Stillimage) and the built-in Micro the SD66 is very good. In addition, that the lens does not produce distortion and no CAs, large despite the good conditions for camcorder wide angle and zoom range. And the picture quality is perfectly synonymous, even Lowlight is not a problem for the thing for about 400 euro is not even the expensive equipment.
In short, the reason speaks in your case for the SD66. But if there is still more may be, the SD707 is of course synonymous not wrong, but I would not overstate the 1080p50 and should not constitute a reason to buy. It is after all, almost double the price ...
Antwort von Recce:
@ Alf: Simple holiday video and just pure documentation of my work would be desirable. With the Blu Ray I have just mentioned to mention the 720p50. Primarily it is for the records to tutorials about images, image consultations and technology ideas. The first two are usually displayed as a screen capture, the latter is recorded in a studio with the corresponding camera. They had just wondered if I could bring to the picture meeting a few video scenes from the "Set". Professional quality is not asked for the few settings, 720p50 as a starting material would just have been nice. For larger orders, a separate video man is in the process of filming the making of. For smaller orders, but I am often alone or only with an assistant on the road. They would have to do the same themselves.
@ Rptelevision: Thanks for the notes seem really to have overlapped. The 5D2 is of course included, so that is filmed but seldom / never. Since it would probably already be exceptional, but otherwise I'm charmed by the photograph much more.
@ Replay, I have already thought of me. ;-) You've only mentioned the SD66. What would happen with the HF200? Which is hardly more expensive, but would offer at least a couple of adjustments, if it irritates me but once. The basic but you have already recognized. We want the shooting to 98% no effort. We also want to produce any films, but memories. To 2%, if any, we may want something more. Then synonymous of Tripod, possibly with filter. But I am almost sure I could do without it synonymous. The privately 1080p50 would be interesting just because of the p50, when it comes to fast movements. What is the difference to i50, I can appreciate not.
In any case Schonmal Thank you, it goes in the direction I've already thought of. We will go tomorrow to my dealer once and see if he has the cameras there. I think she is not even keeping them in the hands synonymous sense.
Antwort von Replay:
The SD66 features, like all Panasonic, as many manual controls than any other device. Panasonic wants the film makers and can even dictate when the small standard-definition equipment for 130 euros extensive manual adjustments.
In SD66 we can not just focus, White Balance, Aperture, Shutter (Shutter) and Gain (with ISO set at Stillimage similar) manual, but even the sharpness, brightness, color saturation and the basic color temperature (WB shift ) regulate the manual recording and save it in the device. The basic setting is neutral. If we all will accordingly, be rewarded with a very homogeneous and clean images that have a Velvia look. And these Velvia-look (in addition to the extensive manual options), I like about the Panasonic gizmos very much. It does not look like camcorder, but more like 35-mm film.
It was important to mention that camcorders are much smaller than DSLR sensors. Which means that there is hardly anything with cropping or the game with the depth of field. But what is with the intended use of you to neglect more likely.
I think that you with the SD66 are well off because the thing is set very individual and can adapt, but synonymous with a very good automatic features (except perhaps the white balance, which is somewhat fidgety). In addition, the device is not large, it is enough already, if you heaves the DSLR and several lenses through the area;)
Antwort von actaion:
When one can not even SD66 draufschrauben a WW-Converter ...
And as for 50p ... why the hell are the podcasts made in 720p50? That can almost not yours ... What with the movies made for the other podcasts? I doubt that any film with a 707 in 50p ... Apart from the fact that AVCHD 1080p50 to act on the PC hardly even with a fast quad core's are there problems ...
50i or 50p by the way makes no visible difference when viewing the eye. Logically, since otherwise there would indeed synonymous synonymous make no sense to foist themselves interlacing, if 50i s.end would look just as 25p. No, 50i is as provided for 50p (right Deinterlacing), but takes only half the space and computing power (synonymous with the recording), deswwegen one makes the nonsense, yes. Only problem is that PC monitors are too stupid to deinterlacing, so you have to for web-videos but then just switch to p ...
I would advise you to HF200, especially since you're familiar with Canon so ...
Antwort von Replay:
"Actaion" wrote:
When one can not even SD66 draufschrauben a WW-Converter ...
Which in this case is not necessary, it is searched in the first place, a simple camcorder, the podcast is absolute and is not therefore a side issue to the fore.
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And as for 50p ... why the hell are the podcasts made in 720p50? That can almost not yours ... What with the movies made for the other podcasts? I doubt that any film with a 707 in 50p ... Apart from the fact that AVCHD 1080p50 to act on the PC hardly even with a fast quad core's are there problems ...
50i or 50p by the way makes no visible difference when viewing the eye. Logically, since otherwise there would indeed synonymous synonymous make no sense to foist themselves interlacing, if 50i s.end would look just as 25p. No, 50i is as provided for 50p (right Deinterlacing), but takes only half the space and computing power (synonymous with the recording), deswwegen one makes the nonsense, yes. Only problem is that PC monitors are too stupid to deinterlacing, so you have to for web-videos but then just switch to p ...
I would advise you to HF200, especially since you're familiar with Canon so ...
Wiebitte? Can you supply a synonymous for this statement an explanation?
Antwort von derpianoman:
An entirely different solution: Instead of a new camcorder, a new friend, s.besten ausm forum here, then the shooting no problem!
(Just kidding, -)
Antwort von RickyMartini:
As for native 1080p50/60 AVCHD, I must also confirm that this example no meaningful work with PPro CS4 is available! If you use but the Canopus HQ Converter and progressive clip transcoded to HD MPEG2, so it can be easily and very performant work - the 50/60FPS are retained synonymous! ;) HQ-AVI causes PPro jerking why MPEG2 should be used. The bit rate can be freely adapted it synonymous to quality to keep losses to a minimum.
Antwort von Bildstabilisator:
I too am a hobby-photograph gets, which, due to the birth of my daughter, came to the movies. I have a good DSRL_Kamera (D300) wanted a device and therefore what is good and video is synonymous quite well as everyday is good clippers.
I can only SX1 had a Canon, a good Kompaktknispe which synonymous HD video with little effort. Unfortunately, "these pumped quite often, that varies between sharpness and blur.
I decided after a long search for a Canon HFS 100 and am now synonymous for nearly a year more than satisfied. The video quality is synonymous with great low-light. I have the camera almost everywhere, is easy to use and is simply fun. But it has many manual controls synonymous. Unfortunately, few in the field of recording quality, but as well but most of the snippets are cut .. can assume this is the editing program.
In addition, the HFS-100 very good jpg photos. Only in good light.
I would bring it back to me and to be had now for 650 ¬ a top price-performance ratio.
Have a good holiday and good light
Antwort von Replay:
Well, here it is indeed so, with the least possible use to get decent videos, Stillimage is in the foreground. The camcorder is just a nice extra, as it were, nothing more. Hobbyfilmerei No, nothing.
So I think it's for such a requirement too expensive to deal with intermediate or the like. Therefore, just my tip with the SD66 because of this unit brings everything for yourself and for about 400 euro is more than neat. A medium sized camcorder with manual controls for moderate-level price.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
The Canon and this: - A 2nd Battery - A WW intent x0.5 - A small bag - 2 memory cards
More need (s) shall not (come to clear) and it is sufficient. Have fun with it and on vacation. ....................................
Bzgl 720p and 50fps - I can not believe the best will! The calls, no one!
Output as 720p even from as 50i (interlaced fields so created) and then rendered for the Web to 25fps. this is almost normal that presses the "p" after the 720 from
But 50 FpS that is really irrelevant. I am thinking you have something misunderstood.
Via AVISynth you can still conjure up 50p from 50i.
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von Replay:
"B. DeKid" wrote:
The Canon and this: - A 2nd Battery - A WW intent x0.5 - A small bag - 2 memory cards
Given that what is on the list:
- A mule that carries the whole film-and photo stuff around.
I suspect that the initial question was probably forgotten now: it is primarily about simple holiday videos, quickly and easily, as written, as so often, the photography is the tone. The camcorder is only a little extra. And that probably nobody would have an extra pocket and a WW-intent (the then severe distortion and CA brings to the picture) to drag along DSLR equipment.
It would therefore not be bad if the camcorder is compact and fit in the camera bag with. If the filming but brought more equipment (and would be rumgetragen), the situation is different. But from the accounts I have the impression that this is not wanted.
I know this from experience. If I have the DSLR there, I have no rumzutragen Bock, still synonymous camcorder stuff. The camcorder then migrates easily in the pocket or camera bag and good. If I "hearted" on the road would be, I only take the compact in one hand, the camcorder in the other pocket with.
Antwort von actaion:
The HF200 is anyway too large for the pocket. And if the cam, it should fit in the camera bag, a small camcorder fits-Converter certainly synonymous still pure ...
Antwort von Replay:
In my camera bag one would HF200 does not fit, because each subject is with lenses and other stuff (Filters, Flash, etc.) shows. At least it would fit not the way it makes sense. Reins plugs would go, but that is not ideal for the HF200, nor for the rest of the contents of the bag. My tiny SW21 as I can, however, have yet to accommodate properly, if I do not just put in your pocket (which does not fit but an SD66 or CX305 synonymous)
Now, we wait, what does the questioner still.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
The only thing still missing Replay - this is just a Clear or UV filter for the HF200!
So when she writes here Recce medium format and synonymous photographed on 5D Mark II, then I go like this from the time anyway because everything is made in Peli cases with.
And a small camcorder case can be when, for example LowePro backpacks or bags are used, simply attach s.das system via carabiner or D rings.
A WW adapter should be counted to any small to Cam!
Otherwise, you stand fast times notes in one room and with the film because nothing works.
But because of technical recce, it can and will decide this, you can judge for yourself /.
Where is my list anyway intended only as a little reminder, because who knows tomorrow NEN is Bissel who knows that he needs 2 Batteries and so jokes.
I would buy maybe even the WW site only because it means cheaper Ami country NEN tick than here.
A Pana SW21 You can hardly compare with a HF! And is not otherwise synonymous with the existing equipment to compare what you had mentioned.
