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Der Schnitt hinter dem Schnitt - Das neue Tutorial

The incision behind the cut - the new tutorial



Frage von Lutz Dieckmann:
Dezember 2009

Hi All,

This time we deal with the cut, which takes place after the rough cut. More precisely, it is the many little tricks that you can use to deceive the audience and influence them. Read more on http://hd-trainings.de

I am always happy to answer questions such as here in the thread.

Regards

Lutz



Antwort von joe11:

To say this issue is essential to something. But more on that later. My answer is Sonygeschrieben with a laptop and the company as a mouse, I use a device by Microsoft. The laptop is the way, gray with black screen surround. But really is about my response to this post - probably the reader can hardly wait to read it.

I use Firefox as a browser of version 3.5.2 of Firefox Mozilla/5.0 Language German. Although this has no great influence on my answer, but could possibly be for one or the other User of interest. Redundancy and trivialities are annoying. More, I wanted to not say, but just as annoying irrelevancies and redundancy. In the event that my point is not so clear: I am speaking here as a wooden desk user, so it will not be overlooked. It is important to avoid redundancy and repetition and endless sequences of the same information and redundancy.



Antwort von deti:

Just as we went synonymous to me!

Deti








Antwort von soahC:

Can someone give me an example where somehow something has been applied in the way?
Sorry, but for me the most useless tutorial that I have ever seen on the net.



Antwort von DWUA:

Lutz usdabei refers to something that is well described here:

http://eye-square.com/documents/eye_square_unbekannte_in_werbewirkungsformel_pa_0409.pdf



Antwort von mannamanna:

Rather, an Avid Media Composer 3.5 Effect tutorial as a cut-tutorial?



Antwort von soahC:

I think the tutorial gives the impression as if such effects, which are perceived unconsciously, an integral part of post production, such as color grading or Tonabmischung.



Antwort von domain:

The psychology of the effect shown I can only imagine then that a "wave" quasi herspült the person in front of him and so giving more attention to the person who imports. However, I can see in the synonymous and Comparison with direct knowledge of the effect, this actually not really, he seems to be too weak, or I'm already half blind?
But the Media Composer taken with quite well. Seems to have a certain similarity with liquid or vice versa.



Antwort von DWUA:

"manna manna" wrote:
Rather, an Avid Media Composer 3.5 Effect tutorial as a cut-tutorial?

Rather, both as synonymous. Well, and? Does this "either / or? No!

@ soahC

Corridor and would in the top advertising industry.
Pros "Color-grading"; "Tonabmischung.
Depending of the target group.
(Reminder s.einen thread in which a German brand of champagne
In Paraguay, with completely different advertising resources than here -
sold.)

Knowledge of "color psychology" and "Acoustic theory" in the relationship
to the "Reception Research" of Lutz were not required here.
It is merely one small example of
lots of possibilities, which points out,
which can be used if you want ...

This time, as the (unnecessary) exegetes ...
;))



Antwort von soahC:

Gang and there? I would like to see an example.
And I am not speaking of "color psychology" or "arrangement of objects or of rising and falling lines or a particular Farblook, but to the conscious one (in my opinion add to sinnfrei and not particularly high-value) effect.
The moods and emotions with certain Farblooks, lighting, scene decoration ... to be transported is so logical, but something similar as I have neither cut nor professionally at home with Filmekucken ever seen anywhere.



Antwort von shodushitanaka:

"soahC" wrote:
... (in my opinion sinnfrei and not particularly high-value) effect ...


S was very unobtrusive effect. But why not a wave? Never hurts:)

It still might be a clip, peppered with many such effects s.end one another Picture / impression.
You may find it seen as superfluous, because you are indeed synonymous only un (ter) consciously perceive.

Hot Topic synonymous (the link of DWUA).
One question: How do we know what effect influenced in any direction.

Gruss



Antwort von DWUA:

"soahC" wrote:
... something similar as I have neither cut nor professionally at home with Filmekucken ever seen anywhere.


Now this is not a yardstick.
Eventually, it will somehow always something "new type".
In the upset, is senseless and useless.

One of our professors once said:
"If you try to be up to date, they are always lagging behind."

;))








Antwort von soahC:

I did not get excited about it myself. I opens up the meaning of such an effect, but not quite, so I would still like to see an example where something was once used.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

So I really must try to see as much a wave!

................

Where one uses things like that - as in-car advertising. But still somewhat conscious used.

I'll stake something synonymous with images as a part - but here are synonymous not only an effect but often quite a lot. Which are synonymous, but only very discreetly placed on certain areas around the audience to certain visual elements to draw attention to.

................

The one shown here is now, although not a "Must Have" but it can certainly be applied to some things.

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: http://forum.slashcam.de/protecting-the-torch-ein-digital-photo-composing-zum-thema-free-tibet-vt61794.html

As you can see the ego in a certain image or part thereof having a blur synonymous with a radial blur (radiation presented work) had to highlight the figure or emphasize his weapon.
The best way to see the printed version in the Din A 1 - because it then acts in earnest.

To see in my "A Scanner Experience" exhibition - coming soon to LUMAS or Whitewall .... I've been able real footage and rotoscoping / Vekror Graphics and deliberately run into each other - which in turn barely noticeable, and synonymous only with great artwork on the effect is quite good.
See below a sample time which is not the finished picture for printing is the technique quite well or show the effect



Antwort von soahC:

Well, so now I would not necessarily be compared.
In all 3 examples is clearly visible effects, or a particular style.
I can do that at the "hinterherziehenden wave does not recognize." What I mainly synonymous missing is any reference relating to. For me it just seems as if this would have absolutely no effect in the Picture effect on the viewer. Only when we consciously take heed, he has an effect, and indeed a distraction from the essence, or should the attention be specifically directed away from the actor on a swirling street?
Secondly, it is just such a random effect, which in my eyes, still not even look good. Why is the man of a wave is followed? Does that make any reference to anything?
Ums summarize again: I think the "subconsciously generate more attention" does not simply and movingly. Furthermore, the effect is neither beautiful nor useful.
I see it at least.
When an external or a vignette blur, which are indeed used very glad I did not see these problems. A darkened outdoor focuses attention specifically on the bright image areas and has (I think) plus a certain aesthetic. One vignette, for example, but does not claim to work only synonymous "subconsciously" too. While it is not on, but it is clearly visible.



Antwort von JonasB:

One complains about rolling shutter, the other tries to imitate him in the PP.

Ich finds ... creative ...

MFG

Jonas

PS I found the circle s.Anfang nice xD



Antwort von JonasB:

But Lutz?
What in God's name, this is the "Gegrade" in the tutorial
"Exciting scene transitions to be"??

Sowas I would not trust myself in the hardest Herioinfilm ...

?

Comfortable with
to repeat eingepennt ^ ^

MFG

Jonas



Antwort von DWUA:

"soahC" wrote:

... While it is not on, but it is clearly visible.


How are you doing something?
Do not betray it to anyone. Get it patented.
;))

Or did you mean

www.implicit-marketing.de/weblog/2006/08/02/unsichtbare-werbewirkung



Antwort von soahC:

As I've said it halt. She is just visible but not striking. Nobody will of the spectators say, "Oh, yes s.Rand Picture is much darker, because there will not be noticed or just perceived as disruptive.
In the case of the "wave" is probably synonymous to tell anyone, but they reinforced (in my opinion) is not synonymous important image content but if it draws from.



Antwort von DWUA:

Nix get it synonymous macht nix.

;)))



Antwort von Axel:

It matters a lot, where the agent is located in the Picture during the panning. Is he always right in the middle of the picture, it will look as if the camera / viewers / possibly a person ( "POV"), watching him. The more he stays on the left next of the center, the more the right half is to be understood as "his" views. So he goes to the right and is located on the right of the center, as here, the effect makes me somewhat perplexed. Subliminally says: Aimless, confused, perhaps depressing. Can you see it differently?

With a swiveling the attention of the viewer's attention to each case to the agent, so that - at least for this - no additional effect would be needed.

When in the red (!) Railion containers in the background, not just when fishmeal is declared plutonium, I'd want them inconspicuous. That would be a case for selective blur was a blur course (with a reduced saturation), the blurrt the background.








Antwort von B.DeKid:

"DWUA" wrote:
"soahC" wrote:

... While it is not on, but it is clearly visible.


How are you doing something?
Do not betray it to anyone. Get it patented.
;))



http://www.juliusvonbismarck.com/fulgurator/

http://www.juliusvonbismarck.com/fulgurator/fertig.html



... he says ;-))

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von deti:

I'm really excited - a truly ingenious invention! Come on you must first sowas mal ...

Deti



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Was a report about him in the current issue of ART
- In combination with "engadget" messages "Eye / retina scanners projection" ;-)

Ne crass idea for nen Sifi spot ;-)
*'ve already written down what *;-))
Working title of "Augmented Reality 2024" ;-)) "WaterlooDay" ((-;
Who wants to help? -)

............

Yes, the invention requires "all thumbs up" ;-) That the promotional marketing desire / object in the next 10 years will be ....

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von derpianoman:

"deti" wrote:
Just as we went synonymous to me!

Deti


How it would with a new section in the forum:

Your advertising - I sell:




Antwort von mannamanna:

Back to the tutorial "exciting scene transitions" is meant seriously?

What on earth is there a theory behind it?
The (for the unconscious?) Randomly selected slice images?
And then the blatant Farblook?

It seems to me rather confused and conceptually than exciting and creative ....



Antwort von minidv:

"B. DeKid" wrote:

Who wants to help? -)

............

MfG
B. DeKid


I!

Back to the tutorial:

The ripple effect on the viewer may certainly have a subconscious effect, but I see it as well as some previous speakers that there is as elegant methods. Where in the Avid, I think no more work. After Effects dominates you, after all synonymous ;-)



Antwort von JonasB:

"B. DeKid" wrote:
"DWUA" wrote:
"soahC" wrote:

... While it is not on, but it is clearly visible.


How are you doing something?
Do not betray it to anyone. Get it patented.
;))



http://www.juliusvonbismarck.com/fulgurator/

http://www.juliusvonbismarck.com/fulgurator/fertig.html



... he says ;-))

MfG
B. DeKid


Sehr geil ... hab mir grad mal built a synonymous: P

You will hear of me when I have Obama, the next time "www.slashcam.de projected" on the chest: D: D: D

MFG

Jonas



Antwort von Lutz Dieckmann:

Hi,

So I did not think that this contribution produces in such a short time as many responses. First, it is free, it's amazing how many people bother to write about this negative. Sorry, but many of you have not understood what is at stake. But this mistake I laste to me, I've obviously not explained well enough.
Secondly, have you seen the web version, the DVD version of course has even more examples. No one is forced to look at the tutorials, no one is forced to buy the DVD. But I ask for your understanding, if the methods I show in the network version, perhaps not fully develop.

Now my Answers Relating to the participants.

@ soahC

I admit it openly, I did not invent these things, but I see them. In this case, does the idea of a series CSI Miami. I sat there, watched the episode and a picture was something different. I was fascinated of the Picture, but did not know why. So I looked at my frame and then it became clear to me. It is about the influence of the viewer.
This is not a "Wow, how did you do that" effect. Nobody pats you on the shoulder. It is only possible in a movie, a story, not a stand-alone effect. I often observe in the forums that people reconstruct effects, just like that without making a movie. In this case it is pointless, it takes the story. Only then does it.
As I said, you look at CSI, lawyer or doctor shows, where you can find it if you paying attention on it. And yes, it is an integral part of the post. Maybe I should call it "The Post after the Post.
And nochwas, clearly you have not seen it, because thou shalt not be seen. It affects you. As I say, CSI, Monk, Boston Legal, Grays Anatomy and so on. Please forgive me, I have no time you rauszusuchen the consequences with timecode. No harm was meant. Whether the effect is pretty irrelevant. If you affect how often you knew s.Tag by such effects in Shooting and advertising will, you would know the meaning.

@ DWUA
You understood it, the link is great. And yes, it is an example, I show methods, no instructions. This effect has multiple applications.

@ Domain
Yes and no. Thou shalt not aware of the effect, your brain das makes clear the effect that draws attention to the person, but only within the story. And, yes, has similarities with Avid Liquid.

@ shodushitanaka
You recognized it. As the effect seems you have to try with uninvolved spectators. But always within your story. I downloaded a movie which I always bring before in training, since I have installed all of these things. And each time, the effects work. Nobody sees it but everyone reacts.

@ B. DeKid
Yep, that's the trick ;-)) Only I do it something subconscious. It still works a little more subtle.

@ JonasB
Admittedly, not my creativity. I wanted it to you näherbringen only.

@ JonasB
This is also an effect. As noted above, this is not synonymous of me. I admire the American editors of the series, they make grandiose things. You would not dare but perhaps they do. That is why there are more U.S. series on German TV in the U.S. as a German TV series.

@ Axel
You're right, it arrives on the scene.

@ manna manna
Yes, it is meant seriously. In some shooting work such things. This is nothing new, there are sowas since the 60s. And it is even forbidden in certain contexts. Behind it lies a theory, but not the knowledge of how the brain responds to BMPs. The rest is good for flashbacks, see explanation above under the CSI / Advocate / Doctor series.

@ minidv
Klar, AE dominates synonymous. But it dominates the editor?

Regards

Lutz




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