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"Full-HD" Export to Video Deluxe 15 Pros



Frage von Manu72:
Dezember 2008

Hello,
I try to time my AVCHD clips to cut and as "Full HD" or greater. I have my demo of video deluxe 15 Pros loaded. That the handling with my Core2Duo 2.2 GHz hardly bearable, I almost expected. Even a simple cross aperture, one can not smooth in the small preview window. Bring as an upgrade to Quad 2.6 GHz or so, really an effective improvement? I doubt it. But the real question: If I want to export, I can with this mp4 encoding 264er select (you know what I mean). Is that because AVCHD and I can, for example with a multimedia hard disk to spend an LCD?
Beyond that, the quality is disappointing. Coarse blocky and bucking (at least on issue with Quicktime). Had not thought that with AVCHD so complicated. I'm somewhat baffled. I understand the matter of so little that I do not even intelligent questions can be but I will "only" HD video cut and look at what I used SD video was edited.



Antwort von domain:

If you are in this NL will remain editor, then probably recommend the AVCHD files before beginning the actual work by cutting into MPEG2 batch convert http://www.newbluefx.com/avchd-upshift.html

The particular synonymous because most users when the final render in mpeg2 encode anyway. Since this operation can be synonymous at the beginning and continue to carry out unnecessary work in Magix.

It is synonymous to me a mystery that the AVCHD encoding hardware in the camcorder itself and yes, in real time and good quality erfogt until today no software NLE via the Codec can be emulated, but that's another story.



Antwort von AndreasF:

Hi,

if you do not want to stay at Magix, then try the demo of "Vegas Movie Studio 9 Platinum http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/moviestudiope
Try costs ja nix ;-)

cu
Andreas





Antwort von beiti:

"Manu72" wrote:
Had not thought that with AVCHD so complicated. [...] While I would still "only" HD video cut and look at what I used SD video was edited.
Well, the problem has us "insiders" since on the market since of AVCHD, and it is only gradually, through new software and faster Calculator something better.

Today you have three options for AVCHD to cut:
1) Native AVCHD editing with sauschneller optimized hardware and software (eg the previously mentioned Sony Vegas). Advantages: No additional memory requirements, no time Umcodierung and preserving the original quality. Cons: High hardware costs and still in Comparison to SD video is still rather limited real-time processing.
2) complete conversion of the raw material in MPEG2. Advantages: memory footprint not much bigger than the AVCHD footage and cut with a performance that is similar as with HDV. Disadvantages: reduction in quality and render times before the actual cut.
3) complete conversion of the raw material into a einzelbildbasierten Intermediate Codec (eg Canopus HQ or DVC-Pro HD). Advantages: Hardly noticeable loss of quality and synonymous with older hardware liquid processing in real time. Disadvantages: Render time before the cut (if not synonymous as long as when walking in MPEG2), fairly high demand s.Festplattenspeicher (up to eight times the original AVCHD format) and after cutting the time needed for coding the output format.

I personally liebäugle and currently experimenting with the variant 3, because a large hard disk is now quite cheap (upgrade of motherboard, CPU, memory, etc. would be considerably more expensive) and cut with a codec einzelbildbasierten of naturally work better than the direct average of GOP based formats such as MPEG2 or AVCHD.



Antwort von CommiXV:

Hi,

I personally prefer the first option, but these would you suggest synonymous only if you really, seriously want to address, otherwise the cost is worth it just does not work.
If the whole "only" Stay hobby is, (3) the determination in any solution.

Oh and this:

"AndreasF" wrote:
Hi,

if you do not want to stay at Magix, then try the demo of "Vegas Movie Studio 9 Platinum http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/moviestudiope
Try costs ja nix ;-)

cu
Andreas


I would be very close in the direction of advertising, not to say ex-advertising push, which I think is extremely inappropriate and synonymous you in the future please refrain.
(The alternatives are alternative products, it is clear, but if I have any, which is a problem with Vegas Movie has another program under the nose of the move is his problem is not really synonymous helped the manufacturing company only advertised my software influences .. hmm ... . ... naja)



Antwort von Manu72:

Guys, it makes me quite confused ;-)
Of course I do only as a hobby and except for a quad and a software (around 100 euros), I wanted to really not much to invest. I Harddisks about 500 GB free, so no issue. The variant with the Intermediate codec sounds good. What kind of (affordable) software is there? The times would render me no preference - that is always with me at night anyway. Large projects can I do anyway just once a year - even between 2-3 30-minute clip. But I just love good quality - otherwise I would have been synonymous with SD can be maintained. If my SonyTG3 s.den directly connected LCD 42 - WOW - that is worlds better than my old Cam in PAL resolution. Just cut (and dubbing, etc.) I have absolutely ... This qualification may not fall by the wayside.



Antwort von domain:

Girl, stay at Magix, listen not to the other and let not unsettle.
This is a great software and if you're already familiar, you will be your one-year project so that more or less synonymous create loose.
Crossfades do you not have more, maybe 3-4 in color and flagrant cases, the sound is great in any of the hand.
What camera do you use moreover?



Antwort von vaio:

"... The variant with the Intermediate codec sounds good. What kind of (affordable) SW is there ?..."

Manu72 Hello!

For example, Edius Neo.

"... I personally prefer the first option, but these would you suggest synonymous only if you really, seriously want to deal with ... If the whole" only "Stay hobby is, (3) the determination in any solution. "

CommiXV Hello!

If "serious", then I would (!) Certainly no Magix software use.

Greeting
Michael



Antwort von domain:

Vaio,
be your weird thoughts now for an introductory page-long posts, where everyone has personal experience with the Super software Shyce in Comparison to the other will want to express?
I hope that this will not take place!



Antwort von vaio:

I think not ...

You're right: It is my opinion.

You have wrongly "strange thoughts" - What gives?

More I would not write. OK?

Greeting
Michael



Antwort von beiti:

"domain" wrote:
Girl, stay at Magix, listen not to the other and let not unsettle.
This is a great software and if you're already familiar, you will be your one-year project so that more or less synonymous create loose.
As I understand Manuelas contribution, it has so far only a demo of Video Deluxe 15 tested. The purchase is still made, and of habituation may not yet be any question.

"Manu72" wrote:
The variant with the Intermediate codec sounds good. What kind of (affordable) software is there?
Edius Neo (OEM version on eBay for 59 euros) are currently the most likely way of good s.einen Intermediate codec to come. Whether you with Neo zurechtkommst than editing program, you need to test myself. (The Neo with installed codec is synonymous with some other editing programs - if the desired.)
Somewhat poor are still with Neo HD output capabilities. An MPEG-2 version of the film, which with appropriate players can be added at least get his. Edition in H.264/AVC or directly burn a Blu-ray can not, unfortunately Edius Neo.



Antwort von Markus73:

"vaio" wrote:
If "serious", then I would (!) Certainly no Magix software use.

This is why so as synonymous Pro7 so ;-)

Regards,
Markus



Antwort von Manu72:

"domain" wrote:
Girl, stay at Magix, listen not to the other and let not unsettle.
This is a great software and if you're already familiar, you will be your one-year project so that more or less synonymous create loose.
Crossfades do you not have more, maybe 3-4 in color and flagrant cases, the sound is great in any of the hand.
What camera do you use moreover?

OK, I use cross aperture rather rare, usually tough cuts of course - but sometimes the game comes with a train ...
I have actually a SonyHDR TG3 (or something similar). I know there are better - but it's so nice cozy little ...



Antwort von Manu72:

"beiti" wrote:
"domain" wrote:
Girl, stay at Magix, listen not to the other and let not unsettle.
This is a great software and if you're already familiar, you will be your one-year project so that more or less synonymous create loose.
As I understand Manuelas contribution, it has so far only a demo of Video Deluxe 15 tested. The purchase is still made, and of habituation may not yet be any question.

"Manu72" wrote:
The variant with the Intermediate codec sounds good. What kind of (affordable) software is there?
Edius Neo (OEM version on eBay for 59 euros) are currently the most likely way of good s.einen Intermediate codec to come. Whether you with Neo zurechtkommst than editing program, you need to test myself. (The Neo with installed codec is synonymous with some other editing programs - if the desired.)
Somewhat poor are still with Neo HD output capabilities. An MPEG-2 version of the film, which with appropriate players can be added at least get his. Edition in H.264/AVC or directly burn a Blu-ray can not, unfortunately Edius Neo.

In other words, I can do with Edius Neo generated in the intermediate format as video deluxe Comparable or just import, then cut and as a BluRay in full HD without significant loss of quality output? That would be in principle. Although I actually prefer cut result without detour via BluRay (I am still too expensive) rather than a multimedia disk to an LCD TV would like to give - but then again that would be another matter.



Antwort von beiti:

"Manu72" wrote:
In other words, I can do with Edius Neo generated in the intermediate format as video deluxe Comparable or just import, then cut and as a BluRay in full HD without significant loss of quality output? That would be in principle. Although I actually prefer cut result without detour via BluRay (I am still too expensive) rather than a multimedia disk to an LCD TV would like to give - but then again that would be another matter.
Whether you are in the video deluxe Canopus HQ codec can use, I do not know exactly. (Whether it's worthwhile to be doubted.) I have trie it with Premiere 6.0 (ancient version of Premiere) and VirtualDub, and with both it seems to be working somewhat.

If you do not initially s.Blu-ray're interested, but only want to use multimedia hard drive, you can cut the finished video directly from Edius Neo in MPEG2 or Windows Media format.



Antwort von geschi:

"Manu72" wrote:
Hello,
I try to time my AVCHD clips to cut and as "Full HD" or greater. I have my demo of video deluxe 15 Pros loaded. That the handling with my Core2Duo 2.2 GHz hardly bearable, I almost expected. Even a simple cross aperture, one can not smooth in the small preview window. Bring as an upgrade to Quad 2.6 GHz or so, really an effective improvement?

Hello
So anticipating something fundamental, the processing of AVCHD material is currently in VDL15 + better than that of MPEG2.
Your Calculator AVCHD material should be fairly smooth process, if it has appropriate graphics card and this is the ONLY point.
For the graphics card: 512MB ATI 38xx or higher, with the latest ATI 48xx Drivers CCC8.12, because nothing else is running at Nvidia 1GB memory and 256 bit connection.
I play with light Jerkiness 6 tracks (without effects) simultaneously.
With the Quad 4GB up 1054 files in the timeline and up to 7 tracks, with some effects, 2 tracks, turn it on half Resolutionbei the presentation and in the preview monitor.
My system is the CPU of your forth similar graphics card, I know not of you, my 3870 Ultimate 512MB.
There are problems with MPEG2 HD, since necessarily the acceleration for high definition material off, then it is synonymous bearable.
The 48xx and MPEG2 hardware acceleration off, the ATI types bring it DXDV states not to implement.



Antwort von motiongroup:

Quote:
In other words, I can do with Edius Neo generated in the intermediate format as video deluxe Comparable or just import, then cut and as a BluRay in full HD without significant loss of quality output? That would be in principle. Although I actually prefer cut result without detour via BluRay (I am still too expensive) rather than a multimedia disk to an LCD TV would like to give - but then again that would be another matter.


NÖ with NEO and the new AVCHD Converter3.0 you can directly synonymous to convert MPEG2HD in NEO and cut into VDL authors ...

Respect the BR are presets for the fish .. etc. .. is Incorrect in VDL2008



Antwort von vaio:

Markus73 wrote: "So yes works as synonymous Pro7 so ;-)"

The Sat1/PRO7-Gruppe must indeed synonymous seriously save. I am not in anyway cheap TV. Is synonymous me no preference, even if Steven Spielberg should use! I am old enough my own opinion. The problem with Magix VDL is that it can be everything - but nothing really can. Whether stability, title formatting, or project management - nothing works as it should. The basic properties of an NLE's mastered it just does not work. For a DVD or BD Creation anyway better to use a burning program. Then the partial installation disastrous consequences on many a system. And, finally, senseless advertising promises ... So, have done.

Greeting
Michael



Antwort von RickyMartini:

"motion group" wrote:
Quote:
In other words, I can do with Edius Neo generated in the intermediate format as video deluxe Comparable or just import, then cut and as a BluRay in full HD without significant loss of quality output? That would be in principle. Although I actually prefer cut result without detour via BluRay (I am still too expensive) rather than a multimedia disk to an LCD TV would like to give - but then again that would be another matter.


NÖ with NEO and the new AVCHD Converter3.0 you can directly synonymous to convert MPEG2HD in NEO and cut into VDL authors ...

Respect the BR are presets for the fish .. etc. .. is Incorrect in VDL2008

Does the new converter with this new functionality?
Then I probably still use the 1.0 version!
Thank you for this important info! :)



Antwort von beiti:

"RickyMartini" wrote:
Does the new converter with this new functionality?
Then I probably still use the 1.0 version!
Version 3.0, there is apparently only since 10 December to download, and they are actually more controlled format.
However, I think the tactic before the AVCHD editing in MPEG2 to convert (Version 2 of my list), only in exceptional cases. MPEG2 is synonymous not just a cut-optimized format. If you do not opt for the native interface and decides enough disk has, I find HQ-AVI format as an intermediate much more interesting.



Antwort von RickyMartini:

"beiti" wrote:
"RickyMartini" wrote:
Does the new converter with this new functionality?
Then I probably still use the 1.0 version!
Version 3.0, there is apparently only since 10 December to download, and they are actually more controlled format.
However, I think the tactic before the AVCHD editing in MPEG2 to convert (Version 2 of my list), only in exceptional cases. MPEG2 is synonymous not just a cut-optimized format. If you do not opt for the native interface and decides enough disk has, I find HQ-AVI format as an intermediate much more interesting.

The old version of Transcodingmit AVI takes after me good 1.5 times as long, although my PC is fast (Q6600 @ 3GHz, fast disks). It makes virtually no difference whether the target drive is internal or external is.
Version 3 is significantly more efficient, as compared to its predecessors?
How is it to MPEG2 transcoder in native Resolutionund high quality?

Today we make a few in a business trip to Stuttgart on the Christmas market. There, I can finally use my new HF100 in daylight and at home to inaugurate the new transcoder test. :)



Antwort von domain:

I thought Manuela wants no further investments and is in an older but still perfectly adequate for Magixversion incorporated mpeg2.
What should because all the advice for a new software, only for the conversion?
You also need someone to explain to me why not the same in mpeg2 be cut if the final format for the media player will be mpeg2 anyway. The only reason for x-fold greater Intermediates could far exceed the avoidance of losses of a further generation Render lie if you have a lot of FX inserts, but the losses are for my eyes not really visible and the rest is already smart rendered.
What does it with the freeware "Prism Video Converter from"?. The is supposed to be synonymous Batchkonvertieren can and has a very good reputation in terms of quality.
http://www.nchsoftware.com/prism/plus.html



Antwort von beiti:

"domain" wrote:
I thought Manuela wants no further investments and is in an older but still perfectly adequate for Magixversion incorporated mpeg2.
Between the lines you have the rausgelesen?

Quote:
You also need someone to explain to me why not the same in mpeg2 be cut if the final format for the media player will be mpeg2 anyway.
There is no doubt good for each variant arguments - that is synonymous for the cut in MPEG2.
My considerations for not doing so: Intermediate With the cut goes a little faster, and you can (if one has enough reserves plate) cut the film in high quality archive, and later in other formats - and then without the detour over the quality MPEG2.

Of course you still have to define exactly what one thinks with MPEG2 (resolution, data rate, GOP structure, or only I-frame, etc.).



Antwort von domain:

"Manu72" wrote:

Of course I do only as a hobby and except for a quad and a software (around 100 euros), I wanted to really not much to invest.


And in fact, already in mpeg2 quad is not needed.



Antwort von RickyMartini:

Thus, the images are on disk and on DVD as a backup (about 30min, the clean on a 4.7 GB DVD fit) and with the new transcoder I leave now HQ AVIs, since MPEG2 Quad despite not performing well enough on the timeline (the frame control is clearly sluggish for an agile workflow).

The transformation goes with the support of all nuclei now fairly quick pace.

MPEG2 and MPEG4 can be through the intermediate codecs now with the usual speed of DV editing.



Antwort von Manu72:

From the last 10, 12 contributions, I have at best 10% understood. Although technically I am interested, I am currently the subject matter too complex. I've tested its Edius Neo and am very satisfied. Finally smooth HD! The handling is a bit strange and it can not be burned Blurays. But otherwise the program enough for me. You can even lossless after convert avi. Only the output options I still can not really appreciate. But I still have 28 days to test. But I think that I will buy it myself.



Antwort von beiti:

"Manu72" wrote:
I've tested its Edius Neo [...] But I have still 28 days to test. But I think that I will buy it myself.
I would s.Deiner agency for safety's sake ask whether this offer
Neo Incidentally I have bought there. Supplied was a bare CD with version 1.0. The update to the latest version 1.10 I then downloaded the manual and also the "File Conversion Utility".




Antwort von motiongroup:

This is why so as synonymous Pro7 so ;-)
? please clarify to us



Antwort von RickyMartini:

"beiti" wrote:
"Manu72" wrote:
I've tested its Edius Neo [...] But I have still 28 days to test. But I think that I will buy it myself.
I would s.Deiner agency for safety's sake ask whether this offer in 28 days still exists. Would be a shame if you return to the normal price (150 to 180 euros) have to pay. ;)

Neo Incidentally I have bought there. Supplied was a bare CD with version 1.0. The update to the latest version 1.10 I then downloaded the manual and also the "File Conversion Utility".

The update should I still consider synonymous yes - thanks for the info! :)
What has changed with the update because s.Funktionsumfang changed?



Antwort von beiti:

"RickyMartini" wrote:
What has changed with the update because s.Funktionsumfang changed?
I personally did not notice, but that does not necessarily mean anything. ;) The manufacturer shall publish this list:
Quote:
Fixes and changes in this release:

* Improved speeds when using MPEG encoding segment
* Fixed s.issue when importing certain AVI files
* Fixed s.issue when capturing video at long durations
* Fixed crash issues when adding TGA / TIFF files directly into timeline
* Fixed errors of Blackened preview window region when applying filter after using odd-number of video filters
* Fixed crash issues with scrubbing sequence image files on timeline
* Fixed s.issue when importing certain title clips
* Fixed s.issue when creating new presets after starting Edius
* Fixed s.issue when rendering image sequence files on timeline
* Fixed s.issue sequence when converting image files with alpha in the Edius bin window (alpha info was lost)
* Fixed crash issues with scrubbing sequence image files on timeline
* Fixed s.issue with voice over recording (recording sampling rate was wrong)




Antwort von Manu72:

"beiti" wrote:
"Manu72" wrote:
I've tested its Edius Neo [...] But I have still 28 days to test. But I think that I will buy it myself.
I would s.Deiner agency for safety's sake ask whether this offer in 28 days still exists. Would be a shame if you return to the normal price (150 to 180 euros) have to pay. ;)

Neo Incidentally I have bought there. Supplied was a bare CD with version 1.0. The update to the latest version 1.10 I then downloaded the manual and also the "File Conversion Utility".

Yes, great job - think I will strike.
Did the update and download the manual for free?



Antwort von beiti:

"Manu72" wrote:
Did the update and download the manual for free?
Yes. The same is true for the "AVCHD File Conversion Utility".
After register the software to obtain access to the download area.



Antwort von motiongroup:

@ Markus73

This is why so as synonymous Pro7 so ;-)
? please clarify to us

I would be really happy about this info Mark ....




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