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12 Pinnacle AVCHD picture HD resolution for optimal results?



Frage von bsnidy:
Januar 2009

Which picture AVCHD HD resolution for optimal results?

I photograph and film with a Nikon D90. I get photos with a Resolutionvon 4288 x 2848 pixels and videos with 720p24 HD (1280 x 720 with 24 frames / s).
This is my source material. I want it in HD video resolution to create both the photos as synonymous small video sequences contain.
I'm working with Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate and would like AVCHD `s in HD for playback on a large LCD (104) via HDMI create.
The AVCHD `s on to as many Blue Ray Disc players and run compatible.

Pinnacle Studio offers me the following video standards for Choice to:
1280x720/25p HD (720P25), 1280x720/30p HD (720P30), 1440x1080/50i (1440x1080/60i, 1920x1080/50i, and 1920x1080/60i (1080i60)

To my knowledge, but AVCHD is only defined as follows:
720p / (30/25/24), 1080i / (60/50) and 1080p/24
In the specifications of the AVCHD is also the image resolution 1440 x 1080 for the 16:9 format, but not compliant with the H.264 standard, since this for the HD-only display in 16:9 square pixels provides.

My question is what Pinnacle setting I use for my video projects should use.
Here are some thoughts. The camera is filming with only 720p/24. The photos are of course much higher dissolved. Now it might well be that one sees a difference whether I use the AVCHD with 720p or with a higher Resolutionerstelle. What surprised me is very synonymous to view the Pinnacle project settings, barely with the AVCHD standard match.
Which setting would be here now is the best?
Another is the question of the best bitrate. When set to "best quality" is Pinnacle 17000KBits/Sekunde On. Synonymous, but I can still 16000, 15000 14000 or 13000 select.

I am concerned with the best quality. Are there any problems with the 17000 (some players could be the data may not create)?

Who can help me here?

Thanks Bernd



Antwort von beiti:

How are you on AVCHD? You've got no AVCHD camcorder and you do not keep s.dessen norm. If you have compatible Blu-rays will burn, it is only the Blu-ray standard is crucial.

Absolutely perfect for your purpose would be 1080/24p (ie 1920 x 1080 pixels at 24 frames per second). Because you could watch the videos in the original frame rate and had to leave the still full HD resolution.

Blu-ray player and a good HD television support 1080/24p full, almost all feature Blu-rays are already in this format.
Whether the Pinnacle software, I do not know.



Antwort von bsnidy:

I do not have a Blu Ray burner and would like HD material on DVD (mini blu Ray) secure. This corresponds to an AVCHD.

Unfortunately, no 1080/24p at Pinnacle. (see my question.)

Weiss anyone an answer?








Antwort von beiti:

"bsnidy" wrote:
I do not have a Blu Ray burner and would like HD material on DVD (mini blu Ray) secure. This corresponds to an AVCHD.
"An AVCHD" does not exist. AVCHD stands for Advanced Video Codec High Definition "and is a standard for recording camcorder. With Blu-ray has to be done only in so far as AVCHD is - Video on Blu-ray can burn. Conversely knows Blu-Ray yet but a number of other formats, the AVCHD it do not exist, there are eg higher data rates (up to 40 mbps) and H.264 next synonymous MPEG2. There is no reason why you AVCHD format to restrict them.

At a mini-Blu-ray, you should do everything you can, what is synonymous to Blu-ray can burn (only not as long s.Stück).

If it does not 1080/24p, 1080/60i, failing, you can use - in the hope that the software with the 24p material a clean 2:3-pulldown makes.

I personally would give me a different software that are 1080/24p or 720/24p at least controlled. The forming of frame rates is always stupid.



Antwort von Zaun:

With Pinnacle you can use AVCHD on a DVD which is then simply burn the Blu-ray player may be .36 min to DVD.Das I have already made several short films.



Antwort von martinolex:

I would try the following:

1) Setup> Project Settings -> "such as first Projektclip"
2) File -> New Project
3) Clip with 1280x720 @ 24p in Project Insert
4) An AVCHD / Best Qual disk produce
5) image file ... \ BDMV \ STREAM \ 00001.m2ts back to edit tab, select and see what next to the miniature display. If, for example "1280 x 720, H264, 23,976 frames per second" - great. The "1440 x 1080, H264, 23,976 frames per second" or "1920 x 1080, H264, 23,976 frames / second", I would not synonymous sad. Instead of "23,976" synonymous allowed 24 of his.

For me with 1280 x 720 @ 30p has Studio 11 in "1440 x 1080, H264, 29.97 frames / second" converted without loss of quality. Movies Of Camera via HDMI directly and of Blu-Ray player to see a good full-HD Television absolutely the same.



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Bsnidy

Hi Bernd.
You just plug in the mess that the industry has enabled the consumer to add new equipment for sale.
You have quite rightly noted that there are only two formats are compatible when both Blu-ray, as synonymous HDMI would like to use:
720p50/60 and 1080i25/30.
So you either use this format, or another interface, because HDMI is nothing more than the component signals.
So if you are not for extra features of HDMI (Sound, lip-sync, remote) must fall back, the signal components of your players at least as good (if not better) as your HDMI signal.
(If your BR player still has those outputs and your monitor synonymous mastered the format!)
Otherwise you have the choice between Umcodieren according to 1080i or 720p (50). The latter, I would suggest for various reasons.
Regarding the data rates you can sit back pretty, because the cameras are currently only using the simple profile, which for HD at all possible and are not entitled s.die provide data.
If you are after P50 umconformen, you have always been a per second (2) redundant Picture (s). Now I know not whether your program the images synonymous with a single tool can remove, or manual. This is somewhat tedious but all the paint better than interpolated. It suffers the quality is not negligible.

And look synonymous times but if your BR player is not synonymous HDMI on an already interpolated Sinal TV device offers, because of course, synonymous with 1440 no monitor can start something because 1440 is not synonymous monitor timing is.
Probably so that you can 1440er AVC signal of the BR without further via HDMI to the television, with the player then that a suitable signal interpolated.
And I do not quite understand why you, if you're a 720er format, you only want to expect after 1440 ???!!!
Because the 1440 is certainly a player of 1080 and then you come of 720p ... on 1440i (not true) to 1920 (SF)
That seems to me less attractive, as of 720p24 directly to 720p (50) and conforme to signal all throughout it. (where the 50 then obviously synonymous contains no real motion), but until you get out of the miserable interpolations!

@ Martinolex
Quote:
For me with 1280 x 720 @ 30p has Studio 11 in "1440 x 1080, H264, 29.97 frames / second" converted without loss of quality. Movies Of Camera via HDMI directly and of Blu-Ray player to see a good full-HD Television absolutely the same.

You have to see what in your HDMI output rauskommt really, because obviously the cameras on HDMI port no 1440 output, but in the camera to an HDMI-compatible signal interpolated.
Because 1440 is a BR than AVC format, but no HDMI format. It is therefore very likely that your synonymous BR player a "suitable" format that interpolated.



Antwort von martinolex:

"WoWu" wrote:

Because 1440 is a BR than AVC format, but no HDMI format. It is therefore very likely that your synonymous BR player a "suitable" format that interpolated.


HDMI can be naturally synonymous 1440 and many other even non-HDTV resolutions. For example, problems of 1600x1200 @ 75p a calculator to monitor. The question is: "What can the Television?" Good Full-HD Glotze can usually synonymous almost everything including all the possible variants with 24p. Only some older HD-ready television will be of eg 1440x1080 @ 30p at 1440x1080 @ 60i dodge. But it's still very good full-HD!

The real question was "How to get to Studio 12 brings with AVCHD 1920x1080 @ 24p @ 24p or 1440x1080 or 1280x720 @ 24p to burn to DVD?" If the proposed method does not work, I would s.Pinnaclesys Support - with whom I have very good experiences.



Antwort von WoWu:

Because I would, but in more detail in the specifications look, because 1440x1080 is not an HDMI format, either in the primary, secondary or in the formats.
Quote:
The real question was "How to get to Studio 12 brings with AVCHD 1920x1080 @ 24p @ 24p or 1440x1080 or 1280x720 @ 24p to burn to DVD?"

And that is precisely the question of whether it comes to creating a format that is behind neither BR or / and via HDMI to transport, or not, rather, to find a format that is both BR as synonymous with HDMI is compatible ... and since the specifications, I would have recommended as a source of information, because then you will see that only the above-mentioned 1080i or 720p50 both requirements. Since it uses synonymous nothing if any other format in Studio12 can create ...



Antwort von martinolex:

"WoWu" wrote:
... because 1440x1080 is not an HDMI format ...

For HDMI Spec. (Page 84, Chapter 6.1):
HDMI allows any video format timing to be transmitted and displayed. To maximize interoperability between products, common DTV formats have been defined. These video format timings define the pixel and line counts and timing, synchronization pulse position and duration, and whether the format is interlaced or progressive. So HDMI allows vendor-specific formats to be used.
So please ...

Because of Studio 12: Unfortunately, it is impossible 24p. Dumm of Pinnaclesys because it has many devices on the market, the 24p store and without loss of quality show. Furthermore, when man's own old movies digitized gets man synonymous 24p. I would s.deine body, Bernd, to another software change, if you've already fetched D90, do you want probably the best quality. Interpolation at Studio 12 in the best possible 60i is visible in dynamic Scenes ...



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Martinolex
You have to be from the general description in 6.1 of course synonymous next book, because then the approved format and more precisely defined in the following chapters even listed point by point, what format into the generic term meant.

HDMI makes 2 types of timing formats:
The primarys, all of the devices must be supported:
HDMI specs. 1.3a 10.11.2006 (http://www.hdmi.org/download/HDMISpecification13a.pdf)
6.3.1 Page 86, all format explicitly
and the secundarys that of manufacturers can be offered and also can be supported:
6.3.2 Page 86/87
Other than the listed formats are not supported.
But, try it out and try for example a 720p25 to transfer ...



Antwort von martinolex:

@ WoWu
Yes, of course. I try every day, even now. My graphics card has 2x HDMI and works with Monitor 1600x1200 @ 75p (4:3) of course, without interpolation. Second HDMI (with HDCP) works with another monitor to 1920x1200 @ 60p or 72p when I use the Blu-rays with 1080 @ 24p play. Unlikely that the developers of three different devices, the HDMI spec. ignored. Or?

But that's not here. But it is that Studio 12 for D90, unfortunately nothing can.








Antwort von WoWu:

Yes, almost unbelievable .... funny precisely synonymous, that does not work for others and that it is synonymous according to the official specifications should not work.
But look after the domestic formats like 720p25 or 1080p25 ....
You must admit that what you because the graphics card zauberst, with
1600x1200 @ 75p
or
1920x1200 @ 60p or 72p
not as the daily business. Who knows, maybe there is not interpolation is in play.
1920x1080p24 is clear that this is an official format.
Apart from that you just talk like this, with the monitors they run together, but that is totally irrelevant .. Relevant is only the transmitted format.
The HDMC support Grakas is limited to those in which no software drivers to run .... what a card is that?

---------------------------------------------
EDIT: So now I have times 3 probiert graphics cards, which I have access here. The fourth I have not to run.
Asus EN7600GT/HTDI; Radeon HD 2900 XT and Gecube X1600 with HDCP chip.
I had only 720p24, P25 and P50 and 1440x1080i format 1920x1080p25 available for testing.
No. of cards puts a 720p24 or 720p25 signal or a non-interpolated signal 1440, ie anamorphic distorted by. Interpolated as 1920x1080i, however.
1920x1080p25 was absolutely no problem, is not synonymous 720p50.
Other format unfortunately I had not, but so do the cards completely along the expectation.
Then I would be so your card burning a look interested ...



Antwort von martinolex:

"WoWu" wrote:
... Then I would be so your card burning a look interested ...


Although I have Asus ENGTX295 of but I think all the cards with GTX2xx can be the same. Monitor NEC MultiSync 24WMGX (may incidentally to 75Hz vertical). There are even what you can to 100Hz.

I would be synonymous but a question s.Sie (in return :-): I film mostly with my old good SonyHDR-UX1 (1440x1080 @ 50i). HD DVD or AVCHD is not a problem. If I but Grandma wants to make a DVD, it is complicated:

1) AVCHD -> Studio 11 -> Uncompessed RGB (very large files)
2) Uncompessed RGB -> VirtualDub (a field away in = 1440x540 @ 25p; Horisontal cut to 4:3 and to interpolate 704; 540 to 576 with black bars without interpolation) -> 704x576 @ 25p
3) Uncompessed RGB 704x576 @ 25p -> Studio 11 -> DVD PAL progressive

How do I make Horisontal and time will not be interpolated along. But it is very expensive. Do you know any software where a step would be possible? Thank you.



Antwort von WoWu:

Hello Martinolex,
thanks for the info ... I look at the map at times accurate.
To your question:
Unfortunately, your workflow is based on a proprietary intermediate codec, the Pinnacle's own codec, so that supposedly faster workflow with other programs were not effective.
As long as you are not in a 'general' codec, like H.264 or MPEG2 content with your art, you still only the internal Studio11 way.
We use either of PowerDVD8 Cyberlink or Elgard Converter Studio ProHD.
Both continued but, as I said, the standardized files, whereby the transcoding of course a matter of synonymous computer is used.
However, I think your workflow quite remarkable, because you simply by the "omission" of a half is synonymous with the necessary lines to reduce, but you obviously synonymous half the resolution is lost, because all samples of the second half image remain unweighted.
With an interpolation, however, all samples in the new Picture taken into account. In this respect could be an interpolation of advantage. Subject to the temporal interpolation is done sensibly. Also, the interpolation of 1440 after 704 is unusual, because such "odd-" interpolations not as beneficial (synonymous in terms of length).
My suggestion would be, depending of your HD format (which is certainly not the intermediate codec), then with a format converter in the DVD to go.
This can be temporal, as synonymous qualitative benefits.
Quote:
How do I make Horisontal and time will not be interpolated along.

I do not quite understand ... But interpolation will result in the final image in your workflow ... and even where no interpolation is done the conversion on an even more unfavorable nature and manner.
So I would calmly times to try a different workflow ... perhaps synonymous via direct editing in MPEG2 ... where AVC is not already.
Worse than the intermediate codec it will certainly not be.



Antwort von martinolex:

Hello WoWu.
Thank you for your explanation. It is difficult to understand why you're so much time to invest to foreign ringing them to explain, but I'm grateful to you and would then exploit it. I would be happy if you are in my description make the comment, where I am wrong. I'd synonymous understanding, if you do not respond.

So some detailed:

1st I cut the film in Stuio 11 in the format of my camera - 1440x1080 @ 50i. Create Menu, Sound Brener, etc. Then the whole thing on DVD in HDDVD format (Toshiba have the time) for my family.

2nd grandmother (my mother) has no HD stuff at home, but a DVD player is progressive and relatively old sg 100Hz Television (tube). So, here would be the target format DVD PAL progressive.

3rd transitional HD 1440x1080 @ 50i 16:9 -> DVD PAL 704x576 @ 25p Progressive 4:3
3.1 1080 -> 576 if I do leave, the vertical sampling frequency is set with coeff. 0.533 reduced, ie filter, ie sharpness worse. That's why I prefer to only 1080 -> 540 and then with up to 576 black refill. It is obvious that I am here on Anti-Alaising Filters dispense, but is it really so critical? I can understand the fields of course synonymous aufsummieren - would be primitive, without filtering but the motion in the scene to be taken into account.
3.2 1440 (16:9) -> 704 (4:3). Since I went vertical at 540 am, I may cut less. So only 1440 -> 880 interpolated to 704 and then cut off and so that the scene is still fully visible (possibly non-symmetric).

My results I have with Studio 11 and Premiere Elements Compared results. Studio 11 packs 16:9 with black bars in 4:3 and very poor sharpness. Premiere 16:9 makes real what I do and not something worse sharpness. So until now I was convinced the best way to have found.

Thank you for your effort.
Best regards.
martinolex



Antwort von WoWu:

Hello Martinolex

Somehow, as a forum on a matter of reciprocity ... and the time when one works anyway s.Calculator is not so immense.
I got your posting views, but still not quite understand and would even try to understand, point by point, to see what, s.welcher job with the signal exactly happened.
Two questions I have yet ...
Quote:
Progressive DVD player can be relatively old and sg 100Hz Television (tube).

The DVD player can ONLY Progressive?
The Television but interlaced? (Tube)?
Can you resolve the contradiction?

Item 3, 3.1 and 3.2 with what tools do you do that and what do you mean with:
Quote:
then with up to 576 black refill.

This would be for me an asymmetric arrangement picture shown?
Another question, from your description I ersehen could not? At what point you solve the anamorphic format?
And another question: how are you to 704 pixels horizontally, which is a possible format, but rather unusual in this country, because it works on an ancient aufzetzt ATSC standard, the fact that it is stipulated that the unit at half synonymous MPEG Resolutionarbeitet.
Are you so sure that the device only makes 704 and 720 are not synonymous?

@ Bsnidy: Sorry that we have here in your thread possibly go OT.



Antwort von martinolex:

Hello WoWu,
Thank you for your reply. Attempts to clarify:

"WoWu" wrote:

The DVD player can ONLY Progressive?

Players can be synonymous interlaced.

"WoWu" wrote:

The Television but interlaced? (Tube)?

Television is 4:3 tube, but can be synonymous Progressive (sg 100Hz - Technology - one of the most expensive back then) on RGB. That he is the player.

"WoWu" wrote:

Item 3, 3.1 and 3.2 with what tools do you do that and what do you mean with:
Quote:
then with up to 576 black refill.


That I do with VirtualDub. At 540 lines, I add 18 black lines above and below.

"WoWu" wrote:

This would be for me an asymmetric arrangement picture shown?

Asymmetrical, I believe that I am from 880 hirizontalen pixels 704 do not necessarily take the central, though I of 16:9 to 4:3 cut. Zb left off some more, some less right, so that the scene is complete. Enfach less significant piece of the cut scene.

"WoWu" wrote:

Another question, from your description I ersehen could not? At what point you solve the anamorphic format?

The moment when I 880 of 1440 inter-polish do I change my inside 0.75 anamorph Camera (1440 / (1080 * 16 / 9)) and 0.916 [6] (= 704 / (576 * 4 / 3)) of anamorphic DVD 704x576 (4:3). 16:9 Ie of 4:3 would be after 1440 -> 1080 and of 0.75 after 0.916 [6] -> 880 (actually 884).

"WoWu" wrote:

And another question: how are you to 704 pixels horizontally, which is a possible format, but rather unusual in this country, because it works on an ancient aufzetzt ATSC standard, the fact that it is stipulated that the unit at half synonymous MPEG Resolutionarbeitet.

I have nothing special in mind. Of course I can synonymous throughout make for 720. Gibt's advantage here?

"WoWu" wrote:

Are you so sure that the device only makes 704 and 720 are not synonymous?

Device can of course synonymous 720th My old DVD player, from DV material, were synonymous in 720th

Would you comment on me very happy. Thank you!




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