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08/15 Canon 5D II Test

15.08 Canon 5D II test



Frage von meawk:
Februar 2009

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Antwort von musk74:

Hey Hello!
So somehow I can to film this trend with nerve reflex do not fully understand. Especially when it is over 2000 ¬ for Teddy as the Canon EOS 5D mkII.
Certainly it is a fun feature the body of filming, but who buys a camcorder function to photograph because of the possible photo?
I think you should rather spend more with the Still Image-Body deal in terms of "expressive power conversion design and artistic image" to the craft, "Photography" to perfect.

michael



Antwort von cutty:

Um, because I know better recordings of the D5:

http://www.vimeo.com/2327058

MK2 is the video quality!

Lags may s.den Settings? ;-)








Antwort von B.DeKid:

* Yawn *

So the musk74 is getting to the point ;-)

MfG
B. DeKid

HP: 21 MP and full frame - is what makes the 5DMKII killer - not "just" the video mode!



Antwort von musk74:

Help Killer Body!
no one has raised the 21MP to eat one's fingernails.
caution.
I could only laugh again as s.vergangenen weekend at the fair in frankfurt a nerve with 5d mkII neber me stood and tried desperately to document a performance.
at 3 frames per second was as namely first circuit and wait for the day.
Instead, I'm with my d3 triggered in burst just under 10 frames per second with perfect focus seated.
After about 1 hour I was finished and the images in the agency.
I get my salary for the first page 01, however, synonymous. each month.
LOL.
michael



Antwort von RickyMartini:

"Cutty" wrote:
Um, because I know better recordings of the D5:

http://www.vimeo.com/2327058

MK2 is the video quality!

Lags may s.den Settings? ;-)

Wonderful documentary video! :)
From such images really has what everyone - not just engineers. ;)

I suspect a little that the lights of the city, the humanoid life forms and hundoiden the photographer could have inspired in their work.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

** OT **

"Musk74" wrote:
Help Killer Body!

at 3 frames per second was as namely first circuit and wait for the day.
Instead, I'm with my d3 triggered in burst just under 10 frames per second with perfect focus seated.
....


Well, the managed my EOS 600, almost synonymous ;-)
I perso. use at, for example MTB or BMX / Sk8 shots synonymous today, the EOS 1 (, V) ;-) With NEM slide film of ISO 200 or 400, because everyone is sharp and move safely in the can.
Then come as about 20 films to the lab, then they are scanned and are viewed or edited. Then replaced by the respective magazines or the respective client 1 - 3 Images ..... longer want the not at all ;-)

Digital is nice, but as you said already ..... 21MP cost synonymous waiting time by the trip - unless you're in the studio via wireless is working, what I usually necessary due to the venues can make me not.
Nevertheless, the 5DMarkII a really good cam and for certain things I would like to afford it is - just not yet know how I can justify the expenditure: - /

So long

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von musk74:

Hi.
canon vs nikon.
clear yet.
So yes, I must earn money.
5DMKII like canning the resolution have plenty to say, but it is for me totally uninterressant.
have ne ne eos 1d MkIII and Nikon D3 and Nikon D300 ne.
the d3 and the 300 are what the focus is concerned with exactly 100%!
the canons ... well.
if your objective is canon to park .... ok, stick to canon.
add I can only say the pan to the many agencies time to throw out Nikon and Canon. the d3 is a monster tool!
I've never had a better body like the d3.
fast ... super fast auto focus ..... super strong and powerful.
pulls the sharpness where it's all ironed out and like errors from the photographer.
this can be observed in the hand! just awesome!

michael



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Musk74" wrote:

So somehow I can to film this trend with nerve reflex do not fully understand. Especially when it is over 2000 ¬ for Teddy as the Canon EOS 5D mkII.


Problem described perfectly! You do not understand it;)

MB



Antwort von Zizi:

@ Meawk:
Which camcorder offers better low light and the sharper and less than 10.000 ¬?
The Nikon D90 suggests maybe with their pseudo-HD Aiptek a web cam but Blue-ray is fit the way through it when it's not a nice thing more!
The Canon has a top video function that can be pro-Capable with the right equipment and knowledge (; apart from the auto shutter, etc.)!
A comparison with the D90 is absolutely unacceptable .. ensure the videos speak volumes!
If yes wiedermal type is ... if you own what you have to read it of course for the better)
you would then you would have bought the 5D praise probably in the sky!
Of course the other in a price Lichen league but she can synonymous much better videos and pictures!
Oh .. I'd like to see a camcorder can make such beautiful photos as the 5D videos ..



Antwort von musk74:

Hello!
Nenene. do not get me wrong.
but this is not about who has what body and what camcorder and what's better here and what is not.
In my opinion, a camcorder, a camcorder and a photo a photo Body Body.
I've never been to any film productions seen someone with NEM photo shoot body.
I think the Directing the camera man would stone when the nerve with 5d mkII emerges as a camera.
Likewise, it would be for me not to buy the smallest reason to buy a photo of his body with respect to video quality.
I must admit, of course, synonymous it always comes down to what you make of it. There are those with the best technology and always the latest on the market, but what comes out the bottom line here is and remains a disaster.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
I've never been to any film productions seen someone with NEM photo shoot body.

Only one example was determined this year is not a single fall!
http://www.film-tv-video.de/newsdetail+M5ed50fe28cf.html?&tx_ttnews
Sure maybe know what you mean .. but whether one is on my Tripod 5D or the XH A1 but her pretty handling of no preference!
Display and they both have crappy with my XH A1 Schutter is synonymous to 1 / 25 .. This can be understood with the no turning professional-looking HD movies, no lens leeway and not save to map what annoys me with my XH A1 real!
What the end result comes out with a 5D is to look beautiful and to process faster ... So why, besides the nostalgia factor?
Is not exactly so that the so shitty videos is like a camcorder photos .. but the really are hardly of a camcorder in ~ 10,000 ~ to beat.
She also does not really beautiful photos that could hardly be more beautiful!








Antwort von Martin:

"Musk74" wrote:
So somehow I can to film this trend with nerve reflex do not fully understand. Especially when it is over 2000 ¬ for Teddy as the Canon EOS 5D mkII.
Certainly it is a fun feature the body of filming, but who buys a camcorder function to photograph because of the possible photo?

With it almost certainly is no one who buys a camcorder function because of the photo - that simply makes no sense, because almost any cheap camera is better and cheaper.

Conversely, this is not true: Where are the video camera with interchangeable lenses in the affordable range, with which one can play with such depth, such as with an SLR and a decent lens? In particular, with fixed focal lengths, for example, a 50 / 1.4 opens up possibilities, of which one can only dream of with camcorders.

Greetings
Martin



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
With it almost certainly is no one who buys a camcorder function because of the photo - that simply makes no sense, because almost any cheap camera is better and cheaper.

Conversely, this is not true: Where are the video camera with interchangeable lenses in the affordable range, with which one can play with such depth, such as with an SLR and a decent lens? In particular, with fixed focal lengths, for example, a 50 / 1.4 opens up possibilities, of which one can only dream of with camcorders.

Greetings
Martin

You take the words of the lips .. ;-)
That seems hardly a grasp!



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:


The Canon has a top video function that can be pro-Capable with the right equipment and knowledge (; apart from the auto shutter, etc.)!
A comparison with the D90 is absolutely unacceptable .. ensure the videos speak volumes!


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Antwort von cutty:

In the above example of dignity, I say, the cameraman is grottenschlecht! Clear that many who speak against the 5D, because they have to regulate everything manual and because amateurs often fail ;-) love and amateur cameras:-D mainly full auto and Full HD ...



Antwort von r.p.television:

This strange arguments are thrown into the pot.
If one says it is stupid with a Canon 5D Mark II, or generally to film SLRs, it has apparently not understood no idea of the matter and the meaning behind it.
Ever heard of bokeh and tries to achieve with a 1 / 3 "or synonymous 2 / 3" Camera? But people who give something of themselves go synonymous with auto focus to the photo hunt and what benefits have no idea at all brings the full format.

In other currently countless music videos (; and not low-budget) with the 5D Mark II rotated. I would imagine these are related to the future a lot of 35mm adapter on Ebay.



Antwort von r.p.television:

"Meawk" wrote:

Nööö - you you should look at the good synonymous D90 video before you laberst nonsense. Otherwise, I would you a variety of cave bad videos, which with the 5D II have been included to show, but I will spare me.

There are people who can not help you?

What I had to say about the 5d II and to the D90 - is said. The D90 has to use and you can stop all the can not, unfortunately, the report of her videos and shows.

The fact is Canon in things: the 5D II, I do not buy (although I was close to it?). The SX1 IS is, let's take out the super Lowlightfähigkeiten the 5D II, the better choice in the direction of the video (; and low light, the synonymous very good - enough sample videos were shown...).

Oh, I almost forgot: I buy a camcorder anyway, no (; Lowlightfähigkeiten miserable - the SX1 IS puts all that I know your camcorder up to 3500 ¬ here loose in the shadows - camcordervergrieselten understands the shadows). What do you want with such a "fair weather" device?

meawk

Yes - and not only video, taken of the present professionals with the 5D II as an example, but shows the times of the amateurs. As they're not as good: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=bbRw-FSe23k
Here we do have deliberately not taken super-atrocious, since there are many. . . (And all shades of gray to black drink mercilessly from the black, the white is, if indeed at all white look, total ausgefessen etc.).


I will say nothing bad you your D90. Presumably it is sufficient for your needs. But there are so few or no professional shots with the D90, because the actual image resolution just PAL meets - of 720p can be no question. And the podium steps in diagonal lines will now do to everything None are in the professional sector and a NoGo. Since VX2000 makes a better shooting with 35mm adapter (; regardless of the light sensitivity).

The Mark II is synonymous of far from optimal operation. But because it is the only camera currently offers opportunities that are not even offered the most expensive digital video camera, are currently many professionals willing to develop a workaround for the shortcomings of this camera and to accept synonymous.



Antwort von Zizi:

@ Mewak:
I think Wolfgang Winne some names. understand more of cameras like you and serve Youtube Videos http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/12_08.html
and when the video capability schonmal doubts and I look at his files in the low light confirmed that my presumption?
He also says the Nikon is that just a nice feature .. no more!
We are talking here only of synonymous video!
Wolfgang corruption, or if the well of money and the Canon D90 makes extra files bad? ;-) Hehe, you would be right?
Lad you real time 1-1 down and non-material of the 5D Youtube videos!
I am offended by the way not only you but your purchased product is not so is bad .. But against a 5D just looks pale. because you can say what you want!
The 5D is nothing for auto amateurs .. but if one of them understands what you do with it images that look more expensive by 10-20x!
It's that easy, whether one is or Canon DSLR stands on it or you do not like the camera because it is better to me like your pretty no preference is synonymous!
This is similar s.Audi A4 Comparison against A8 .. and you say, the A4 can be run better and is more comfortable!
What P / L As maybe already .. but of the here is not talking!



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

Such an idiotic thread like this but you can only reply with ignorance appropriate.

Here comes an amateur and therefore claimed some nonsense and all jump at it ... I do not understand. What are you discussing here? You all have nothing better to do?

MB



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
What are you discussing here? You all have nothing better to do?

Although I'll give you quite right .. But you seem well before synonymous nothing better than to have you read the whole!








Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Zizi" wrote:

Although I'll give you quite right .. But you seem well before synonymous nothing better than to have you read the whole!


I'm s.Arsch the world (and I think I'm in Austria, at least all talk so funny here) lodged in a guest room and a producer at the door cruel wind music is so loud that I can purely do nothing except get drunk. But so is only 22 clock ....

Edit: To the thread value to content, perhaps even the hint that it smells of out of sausage. I think I get my next step is going:)

Edit2: The sausage was nothing special. But I think I peep me right times of the bar next door to the inside ..

MB



Antwort von Chezus:

Hey Marc,

where bistn grad? I live not far away of the Austrian border, maybe you're almost in the vicinity.

I'll see you soon, take with a borrowed 5D ourselves in the white meat and food to sell it here!

It would be super!



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Chezus" wrote:

I'll see you soon, take with a borrowed 5D ourselves in the white meat and food to sell it here!


Sounds in any case after a reasonable plan;) Bodensee way.

MB



Antwort von Chezus:

well, but a bit far away ... Rather, the Salzburg area.
Then we have to postpone the sausage well.

Before you completely spoil your appetite or you drink away your creativity, can indeed talk posts:

http://forum.slashcam.de/equipmentkaufaber-welches-vp338935.html#338935

Will not Invest in the blue, but now that the 5D is so good
Otherwise s.Bodensee still fun.
If the wind music annoys you, only helps one thing: Shoot them! (; Either the wind or yourself)
;)



Antwort von RickyMartini:

Speaking of Lake Constance - as I remember but a smooth, I did like this one or the other nice little picture. This is however not 5DMII of distress - a phone without a cable with photo functionality is enough for synonymous (; SonyK770i). :)

The Blue Hour's just something really fine!



Antwort von domain:

Yes, yes, have the magic hour s.Bodensee it takes. MarcB just sings, "I hurt her heart when I see the floor in the glass ...:-)



Antwort von Zizi:

It is here, yes the 5D and not Lake ..
So, where would you and the 5D with lenses which they should buy if you only use fürn video section and If you had ¬ 3500 to disposal?
Oh and yes dvcut has a wide offer I've just read in the VAD. The company serves old Cam in Purchase s.wenn be a new 5D at Dennen gets .. would it matter?



Antwort von RickyMartini:

I have in mind, that will be in a few years DSLR-Mobile phones, camcorders, digital cameras, cell phones and cameras as the Redone substitutable, since they can come up with all their superior quality and make 40M 10M pictures and videos: D
Then, these things are mounted on Riggs and produces the next blockbuster on it.

IMAX is an occurrence such as a mouse then cinema.



Antwort von Chezus:

I've heard s.Bodensee now admits the synonymous!
Driving to go there and do the same time images of the magic hour

;-)








Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
I have in mind, that will be in a few years DSLR-Mobile phones, camcorders, digital cameras, cell phones and cameras as the Redone substitutable, since they can come up with all their superior quality and make 40M 10M pictures and videos: D
Then, these things are mounted on Riggs and produces the next blockbuster on it.

IMAX is an occurrence such as a mouse then cinema.


The question it would be only:
Why?
It would be almost pointless to watch videos on 4K as more sharpness but eh None perception can!
That would be as futile as if you were to miss an iphone a FullHD panel ..



Antwort von RickyMartini:

"Zizi" wrote:
Quote:
I have in mind, that will be in a few years DSLR-Mobile phones, camcorders, digital cameras, cell phones and cameras as the Redone substitutable, since they can come up with all their superior quality and make 40M 10M pictures and videos: D
Then, these things are mounted on Riggs and produces the next blockbuster on it.

IMAX is an occurrence such as a mouse then cinema.


The question it would be only:
Why?
It would be almost pointless to watch videos on 4K as more sharpness but eh None perception can!
That would be as futile as if you were to miss an iphone a FullHD panel ..

One has to wonder whether the useful pixels limit is not reached a long time? With 2M one is in the video section already well on the road and more, one would not always able to perceive.



Antwort von jogol:

"Zizi" wrote:
. The company serves old Cam in Purchase s.wenn be a new 5D at Dennen gets .. would it matter?


Scrapping ...



Antwort von Chezus:

well, i do not synonymous why a 28k Epic needs let alone how to deal with the material (; in PostPro).

But as the saying goes, the better the material is s.Anfang, the better is what comes back out.

Take a color grading with a cell phone video
And then do the same grading with a 28k file

Can be a little more work there already.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Scrapping

Thanks for the info!
Quote:
well, i do not synonymous why a 28k Epic needs let alone how to deal with the material (; in PostPro).

But as the saying goes, the better the material is s.Anfang, the better is what comes back out.

Take a color grading with a cell phone video
And then do the same grading with a 28k file

Can be a little more work there already.

Well but honestly .. I think here the 4K more than enough.
So until I find 80Zoll FullHD Sufficient for Movies 4K and everything is more waste of money .. What is actually there in the future? The pixel madness will surely come to an end?
Especially because the pictures are not exactly synonymous in photography better .. such a good image stabilizers and glasses can it not at all to give more irgentwann provitieren it still can!



Antwort von Chezus:

as I said before: the better the material that comes in ....

I think that's synonymous 4-5K are perfectly adequate, but there are unfortunately not in the affordable range (; up to RED)

I would s.Liebsten a handle man a la Ex 1 (; by design).
With RED approaches



Antwort von jogol:

"Zizi" wrote:
Especially because the pictures are not exactly synonymous in photography better .. such a good image stabilizers and glasses can it not at all to give more irgentwann provitieren it still can!


There is something ...
http://www.linhof.de/technorama.html
or: http://www.linhof.de/techn612.html
With proper data backs .. and NEM 35mm adapter to at least have a minimal chance of keeping the focus. This is synonymous to be a problem with the 5D.



Antwort von meawk:

"Chezus" wrote:

But as the saying goes, the better the material is s.Anfang, the better is what comes back out.


If you would take into account the times when your Gesülze here in the forum?



Antwort von Chezus:

tu ma beautiful Mearrgh sleep;)








Antwort von meawk:

"Chezus" wrote:
tu ma beautiful Mearrgh sleep;)


Mach I - Loser! Muuaaahhh. . .



Antwort von Chezus:

I'm sorry that I ruined your great thread.
I think I sign up now s.and go out of respect to this Thread cry a round ....



Antwort von meawk:

"Chezus" wrote:
I'm sorry that I ruined your great thread.
I think I sign up now s.and go out of respect to this Thread cry a round ....


You'd want zero's see how long the thread is already dead. Come with your stupid sayings and therefore have never been filmed with a D90. Go Sch ***** annoying and not longer. . .



Antwort von B.DeKid:

@ Jogol

Ne, which is cool or the Linhof - geffiehl synonymous me very well!

I perso. looking forward to the first experiments with the S2

http://de.leica-camera.com/photography/s_system/

Has it done to me - the body - the look - the action say anything - just classy ;-)

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: Although I find the 667 Voigtländer synonymous very successful, which was synonymous ;-)

@ Zizi

Right now indicate a trend in photography, it was not so - you should look at times White Wall / Lumas or various specialized sites / Magazine - Creative photography has never been more than today. I hope the other news from this trend is so synonymous next.



Antwort von Chezus:

@ Meow

Well then again read my posts by Meowth
I have not a single word on the D90.

I am interested in the camera not the bean.
Therefore, I express myself not synonymous to the part.

If I have offended your tender heart: I'm sorry.
Get a hot chocolate and come again. Let's start at the front of ;-)



Antwort von Chezus:

Stop! Before you answer and now the whole thing never comes to an end:
Wirs leave it! We will never be friends forever and we can still next "fully-dissing-ey"

but this leads to nothing. So, Suze!



Antwort von meawk:

"Chezus" wrote:
@ Meow

Well then again read my posts by Meowth
I have not a single word on the D90.



OK - have you verwechset, sry, but my unqualified doom the D90 gets on my nerves. Most who make the cam in video bad, have simply no idea of the handling and application of the fixed focal length with manual aperture ring and the really annoying. The cam is on the contrary to the 5D II manual to operate and in terms of picture quality better than the reputation that she was of those who can not use the Cam allocated. . . (; Please not another discussion about this - everything was already chewed through sufficiently and sample videos have been shown to prove the Hauf).

And back relating to: the 5d II is for coal is a poor choice. The colors in the video mode with view of the nuances in the grotto Grau-/Schwarzbereich is bad. White is in daylight indoors rather yellow, etc. In addition, a use in video without external lenses with manual aperture ring is not possible because the results are grottenschlecht simple. To speak of the further processing of H.264 MOV files do not.

In this respect, the eigentilichen topic of the thread: The D90 is currently the better choice, and although no ifs and buts!

meawk



Antwort von r.p.television:

"Meawk" wrote:

In this respect, the eigentilichen topic of the thread: The D90 is currently the better choice, and although no ifs and buts!

meawk


Your pride of ownership with honor but with this opinion you're probably quite alone.
Also: I do not even own the camera but have read it: the manual aperture ring on the D90 but is disabled when recording the video and the Aperture is a car, right?
Aperture is so adjustable, but it is a far more convoluted process. Aperture-priority and manual mode both give full control over aperture, while program mode Allows you to select from a set of aperture and shutter speeds together. Changing the aperture does your old video, often providing assistance in low light and making a difference with depth of field. Aperture can not be changed while recording is taking place (; even though the numbers appear to change on the LCD), s.the will not take place until alterations you exit and reenter live view mode. The D90 with its kit lens (; AF-S DX Nikkor 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR) has Apertures of f/3.5, f / 4, f/4.5, f / 5, f/5.6, f / 6.3, f/7.1, f / 8, f / 9, f/10, f/11, f/13, f/14, f/16, F/18, f/20, and f/22. Despite this wide range of choices, it is unclear how many of them actually affect video footage. In our testing, many of the aperture appeared to do nothing to picture quality of old, Which seems to suggest that only a few settings work with video s.all. So, the camera will continue to change exposure levels throughout filming, regardless of what your aperture settings are (; unless you utilize the auto-exposure lock feature).
Apart from that, my resolution is to simply sucks. Who cheated with the 720P resolution is happy ....
And please do not submit it here under each of the D90 denigrates could use any cameras. This is more than silly.



Antwort von Zizi:

Boahh ey!
Hey Mewak we speak here of the D90 and not of your mother!
The D90 is a very good Still Image Camera but a very poor HD video camera! I'd put both of which are worth their price and the size of the price difference is so large is synonymous to the difference in image quality!
The D90 is just because you bought it is far better than a 5D ... in any single sector! only in price and in the further processing otherwise the total Kake is next to a 5D!
But we might as well here synonymous genaus argue that a VW Golf is better than an Audi S6? came out to the same!








Antwort von B.DeKid:

* Yawn *

If this now is a Mac vs. Aka Nikon vs. PC thread. Canon - is sometimes clear people ....

Wait, we have yet to offer even better s.was the NAB - maybe even brings out a Nikon or Canon camcorder XLH1 a successor - and then we'll see next ;-)

So long

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: D SLR with video function remains and is a nice gimmick, no more!



Antwort von jogol:

@ B.De.Kid
The S2 is a Klopper, but the envisioned price of ¬ 20,000 for the Body synonymous.
Since my Voigtländer is likeable. The Technorama is it then for s.and 5Mille
needed. that's tempting.

Greetings
jogol



Antwort von r.p.television:

"B. DeKid" wrote:


PS: D SLR with video function remains and is a nice gimmick, no more!


In principle, in terms of user ergonomics and I'll give you right. The 5D MK II, there are only currently too many professional video productions in all budget areas that speak against this statement. Also appeals to me this camera and I will probably buy me now as synonymous DoF addition to my normal camcorders, although I am reluctant anfreuden the operating concept. But rather than fumbling with a DoF adapter to me that's all. A DoF adapter swallows huge light, vignetting and most often seen the TV screen. From the handling of the Dof adapter is not better than the 5DMKII, only makes these beautiful pictures.
And if someone actually writes a firmware crack As has already been mentioned then the thing with the help of a rig and Follow-Focus is a real film camera (; emphasis on film and None Full car video camera for Aunt Hedwig's birthday).



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
In principle, in terms of user ergonomics and I'll give you right. The 5D MK II, there are only currently too many professional video productions in all budget areas that speak against this statement. Also appeals to me this camera and I will probably buy me now as synonymous DoF addition to my normal camcorders, although I am reluctant anfreuden the operating concept. But rather than fumbling with a DoF adapter to me that's all. A DoF adapter swallows huge light, vignetting and most often seen the TV screen. From the handling of the Dof adapter is not better than the 5DMKII, only makes these beautiful pictures.
And if someone actually writes a firmware crack As has already been mentioned then the thing with the help of a rig and Follow-Focus is a real film camera (; emphasis on film and None Full car video camera for Aunt Hedwig's birthday).

Nicely put .. 'm totally your opinion!
Why not bring a camcorder Manufacturer ala EX1 with such a chip and only 2.1 million pixels for ~ 4000 ¬?
1. this camera would sell really well
2. The lowlight would be much better than the 5D
3. handling!
somehow that's exactly what almost everyone here addiction?
Why spend all its 3x 1 / 3 fill a really big chip?



Antwort von meawk:

"Rptelevision" wrote:
"Meawk" wrote:

In this respect, the eigentilichen topic of the thread: The D90 is currently the better choice, and although no ifs and buts!

meawk


Your pride of ownership with honor but with this opinion you're probably quite alone.
Also: I do not even own the camera but have read it: the manual aperture ring on the D90 but is disabled when recording the video and the Aperture is a car, right?
Aperture is so adjustable, but it is a far more convoluted process. Aperture-priority and manual mode both give full control over aperture, while program mode Allows you to select from a set of aperture and shutter speeds together. Changing the aperture does your old video, often providing assistance in low light and making a difference with depth of field. Aperture can not be changed while recording is taking place (; even though the numbers appear to change on the LCD), s.the will not take place until alterations you exit and reenter live view mode. The D90 with its kit lens (; AF-S DX Nikkor 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR) has Apertures of f/3.5, f / 4, f/4.5, f / 5, f/5.6, f / 6.3, f/7.1, f / 8, f / 9, f/10, f/11, f/13, f/14, f/16, F/18, f/20, and f/22. Despite this wide range of choices, it is unclear how many of them actually affect video footage. In our testing, many of the aperture appeared to do nothing to picture quality of old, Which seems to suggest that only a few settings work with video s.all. So, the camera will continue to change exposure levels throughout filming, regardless of what your aperture settings are (; unless you utilize the auto-exposure lock feature).
Apart from that, my resolution is to simply sucks. Who cheated with the 720P resolution is happy ....
And please do not submit it here under each of the D90 denigrates could use any cameras. This is more than silly.


This is it: The garbage that of the ignorant and wrong users distributed.
You or synonymous many others who have no idea just in terms of D90, "you write the wolf calmly next" or anything synonymous always, only you can not use the Cam. Yes - and I have absolutely no desire it for the hundredth time to explain. . . We can work with the D90 manual - jo!

Buy some but the 5D II - if indeed must be. But my opinion is clear - I do not buy. And you can be synonymous for me to spend over 10k for a film cam, can operate better than those of the D90, you will still not have got done. Thus, if you continue to throw money out the window. . .

The D90 is now time for me and many others much better choice (; already achieved cult status...). The cam is just awesome.

meawk

Here are a just movies off the cuff in 5 min rotated and cut at 5 min and rendered with Vegas - Lowlightaufnahme and full manual:



The same again for the Comparison of image quality on Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/3226224

With your camcorder as nothing but a vergrieseltes Picture was seen - just so s.Rande. The original file should see her again - as running one's mouth water. Sorry, you lose a little more quality when uploading.

So and here again another delicacy: http://vimeo.com/3064393

And another thing: http://www.vimeo.com/2991648

Yes - we are amateurs and beginners in the shoot, we get the photograph of laughing, we now "over you would-be film professionals" broken.

I could make hundreds of pure amateur videos created good-D90 - without the real professional to show movies with the D90. And what you can do - except with one or the other Laforet video with the 5D II peddle? Nothing! And I almost forgot: I could even put the 5D II with my Nikon lenses with manual Blendenri



Antwort von B.DeKid:

@ Meawk

And the film professionals will now cut off your feet!?
As you tell but mighty nonsense.

Property you have ever seen Kubrick films?
Have you ever seen how much DoF you see in his works?

So unless you are with the sharpness or blur here now trying to score the video is shown so fully in the Popo!

Whether with Canon, Nikon, Arri or shoe box included.
It is NEVER on the Cam s.sondern the story you want to tell - and that was probably "pretty old hat."

What are you up so that only pure sidewalk that because someone does not respect your Meihnung is the D90 - so you give the guys just food.
Try going out like this is probably synonymous following Cams of Nikon when they have the video function is synonymous to the Full HD to jump the train.

And I stay with my Meihnung - D SLR with video function no preference of who produced can be used only for certain things.
So WGAF - whether Nikon or Canon - I do not as long as the thing can use to scan on skates at the moving front of me I can not Sk8ter bikers or use a D SLR to shoot.

And by the Way - DoF makes a good film for a long time!

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: * Plonk * - because you must remain objective and has unfortunately you exaggerate it a little too much with your comments and convulsive behavior for my taste.

So and now it works next - half-time show is around - we press time Dirk N. and his boys from the west, the thumb ;-)



Antwort von Zizi:

On a Vimeo video you can already boast with your d90!
For something like this and apparently it was never done in such a sector can clearly compete with a 5D .... But if you look at your cappuccino on my FullHD TV says the one with a Aiptek Webcam +35 mm adapter was filmed as "SD" does the material!
Oh when I look at the video closer look at coffee ..
1. seen as already Noise!
2. flickering light with respect to the 60hz
These characteristics were not seen in a 5D / barely apart of the huge difference in sharpness!



Antwort von meawk:

Beautiful - that you like it. Is so well made synonymous. And the fifteen-man without a team. We D90er that provide time to film by the way has enormous good material - jo! Low Budget from the hip, without lighting and the like, just natural works of art.

And the message of the Short Film cappuccino is still terrific - if you have it because mentally processed and understood the story. This is cinematic art at the highest level, and of the bloody amateurs.

Thanks s.die Manufacturer Nikon and Canon, that they have made such a hot DSLR Filmcams.

Nachrichtich: With the 5D II, I of course get back synonymous good movies (; with Nikon prime lenses and manual handling), but just with the disadvantage that in the post the colors for the first time "judge" must (and if you the gray into the Black judge still can), etc. The material of the D90 can not post (?! usually cut) immediately and render - that is the work. The 5D II is quoted in the D90 price-/Leistungsverhältnis clearly inferior. The bissal more s.Auflösung that but with the poor color performance information to the known areas is again clouded the Cam not out traveling, etc., etc.

But of course, are both known to me all DSLR Filmcams superior to 20k, but all you see and what is "free" without a 35mm adapter and the another f ***



Antwort von Zizi:

Real extremly fürn what you're talking stupid ...
Quote:
Reworking the colors first time "judge" must

huh?
Quote:
The 5D II is quoted in the D90 price-/Leistungsverhältnis clearly inferior

Wrong, they are equal to if you ask micht! The most expensive s.einer Camera is probably the sensor is on the 5D and the far larger and therefore intensity of the 5D will cost a bit more synonymous!
Quote:
The bissal more s.Auflösung,

You know better than 0! The resolution is subjectively at least 5x as high .. and the data sheet almost 2x!

Quote:
but what with the poor color rendering

Where did the the nonsense? According to the Color VAD performance is terrific!

I believe that you are pretty good as Nikon or seller representatives could .. 'll ask s.bei Nikon .. this thread and you give them a resume! hihih
Or have you always been so one of the Saturn and Media Division in the Still Image rumschleicht with a Nikon ribbon around the neck and this nonsense forced upon the customer if they have a 5D in the hand?
Do not get me wrong, I like Canon is not synonymous .. but who probably is currently the best image quality in all commercial sectors (; camcorder + DSLR). In its chip factory level is more than anyone other pore-savers .. so they can afford such "bad" to build cameras!








Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Meawk" wrote:
We supply ... ... ... D90er natural works of art ... And the message of the Short Film cappuccino is still terrific - if you have it processed for mentally and understood the story. This is cinematic art at the highest level ...

I am over 25 years, staunch Nikon Photographer (; the next synonymous with Canon and other brands) works, but your D90 proselytizing is gradually not only laughable, but to already ridiculous extremes. It's nice when you've found with the D90 the best camera for you, just put other photographers / filmmakers their priorities just different. A little less sense of mission of your page would amount to a substantive discussion in very useful.



Antwort von brainy:

Very great cappuccino film - are a real talent ...

Well established characters, perfect first Act, very exciting, high emotion.

We want to see more of your shooting!



Antwort von meawk:

Well - here comes but once a little life into the Disussion and not just the boring theoretical drivel that interest most users.

But yes you can evaluate your next synonymous data sheets and other kind of testing. Only in practice things are all very different. Since interest test, which usually stand in any case never in practice, absolutely nothing. The bare result, when the cams can operate as one.

To all who rashly bought the 5D II: Now you will not always very angry, but yes you can make beautiful photos with the action (; fewer problems with the gruesome depiction of the color video mode!). But here and there a small video is synonymous - must be only for hours, even days if not post-process. . . It has nothing to do otherwise. . . And else you can so you die of professionals with the 5D II finished works look to it so that never hinbekommt anyway. These you can the next synonymous Canon community shows interest and you own incense as well hinbekommt the cam in video mode. I'm there "on site" has the purest misery dramas noticed when those who have the Cam synonymous wg. have bought the video mode, then wept. And what a poverty: without adapter and Nikon prime lenses with manual aperture ring (; others are synonymous - not only the Canon's) the cam in video mode is not usable at all. . .


Memo: Thank you brainy! Do you recognize talent and work.



Antwort von brainy:

Rash were indeed more likely to D90 buyers. Euphoria of the first video DSLR, quickly into the business. The pride after the first video on Vimeo.

The 5D II will appear - the professional world is agreed that now looks the D90 is rather old.

View the video on Vimeo again.
With tears in his eyes.

Cognitive dissonance - it was right to buy the D90?
I can not go wrong. Which in Forum 'I's show.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
is the cam in video mode to use at all. . .

quite clear. YES! Many productions speak for them!
And the fact that the compression and data rate and resolution of the Canon is far better than the Nikon is synonymous clear that one does not cut the files with a 300 ¬ LIDL PC / rendering can!
Anyway, you can believe what you want .. The fact that the Nikon None serious shopping because of its video mode and is on the 5D I know already some of the projects, despite the poor manual features!
The video images look simply brilliant, less noise, kompressionsnärmer, sharper, flicker-ruckelärmer and beautiful!
Since you can not synonymous with your religious views do not remove the Nikon!
I would prefer if the synonymous Nikon would make the beautiful picture, especially because it has processed more cheaply and more / .. But what can you do .. it is just not there and why it costs less synonymous and refers not nearly as high aufmerksahmkeid!



Antwort von meawk:

Oh yes - not the result of the impression that I would not like Canon, the opposite is the case. 'm In my Stillimage-/Videoleben more than Nikon's or Canon's bought any other Manufacturer. But the 5D II is now even a sham - unfortunately? (; Other new products of Canon are not the yellow of the egg: It is known so synonymous that I have a new HG21 returned after three days because of poor quality in the grotto Lowlightbereich.)

Incidentally, the Canon SX1 IS is available in video mode more than the 5D II Oh! which writes the now? Jo - is so. The autofocus is super fast and super, the colors in the "gray-black area" is much better, you can engage manual (; synonymous here!? If you can use for), the Lowlightfähigkeiten are very good (; not doubt now, or vice I clear evidence is in - this is a threat or not synonymous), 1080p.... Small drawback: AA-battery operation and not a micro-connector (; na needs to do micro-connector is not really, you can even add sound external, if you will). He - the part costs less than 0.5 k. This is a word. Thank you Canon!



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:
Quote:
is the cam in video mode to use at all. . .

quite clear. YES! Many productions speak for them!
The video images look simply brilliant, less noise, kompressionsnärmer, sharper, flicker-ruckelärmer and beautiful!


. . . and all drinks mercilessly from gray to black. There are no shades of gray in the black area visible. The white in daylight in interior spaces, we say nothing again. Or from the white, which looks to have been up in the total Lowlightbereich etc., etc.

Your picture will be clear by a completely exaggerated black representation; bought, that's a fact (-tampering).

The cam has the advantage in resolution over the D90 - no one disputes, but otherwise, too many serious drawbacks.
It is the good part?
http://www.vimeo.com/2717152

And only here, the resolution is huge!
http://www.vimeo.com/2647801



Antwort von meawk:

"Brainy" wrote:

Cognitive dissonance - it was right to buy the D90?
I can not go wrong. Which in Forum 'I's show.


Jo - I'm really envious of the 5D II Here is another striking illustration of the solitary class of Cam:
http://www.vimeo.com/2428499



Antwort von r.p.television:

"Meawk" wrote:
Here are a just movies off the cuff in 5 min rotated and cut at 5 min and rendered with Vegas - Lowlightaufnahme and full manual:



The same again for the Comparison of image quality on Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/3226224

With your camcorder as nothing but a vergrieseltes Picture was seen - just so s.Rande. The original file should see her again - as running one's mouth water. Sorry, you lose a little more quality when uploading.

So and here again another delicacy: http://vimeo.com/3064393

And another thing: http://www.vimeo.com/2991648

Yes - we are amateurs and beginners in the shoot, we get the photograph of laughing, we now "over you would-be film professionals" broken.

I could make hundreds of pure amateur videos created good-D90 - without the real professional to show movies with the D90. And what you can do - except with one or the other Laforet video with the 5D II peddle? Nothing! And I almost forgot: I could even use the 5D II with my Nikon lenses with manual aperture ring and the corresponding adapter manual. Purchase them anyway, because they convince me in my various tests could not. I wait for the next gene. from. And until then: I love D90!


I'm still waiting for the cream pieces. Or that's was it?
And You say you could deal with the Camera? Then you truly live in a bubble of self-esteem and narcissism. Such as how the poor & talented free Vollhirnis of American Idol that will be presented twice a week and do not understand why she finds None well.
You make a coffee machine, a nonexistent story to tell while you unmotivated in non-uniform speed on a rickety tripod obviously the lens from infinity to draw the focus? That's not even a real shift in focus and total sense free. And why the flares are so angular in Bouchet if you have a good prime lens did you use? Can say no to the crappy one conversion. Probably better that way.
The other concoctions were better (; was not so hard) but I have now synonymous not cut off your feet. Live in your great-D90 world and be happy. But give you here not as the great Checker, which in its hubris to believe only he has the big picture. Since you're really driving the wrong shape and the term "foreign ashamed."

PS: You like to thank you obviously ironic praise. Take a eyes on!








Antwort von meawk:

Very nice contribution, "rptelevision" - sadly missed theme: grade 5, because you've at least tried, otherwise smooth 6th

Because of cream pieces please be patient. . . See the first time some of the great 5D II productions.

This is synonymous horny (;?!)

http://www.vimeo.com/2721493



Antwort von deti:

People, could you please unsubscribe your mutual insults somewhere else?

Deti



Antwort von meawk:

"Deti" wrote:
People, could you please unsubscribe your mutual insults somewhere else?

Deti


Thanks Deti, a bissal respect would be appropriate - guys!

So, as thread creator, I now urge all parties involved: Please stay on topic. No insults and unreasonable criticism. Anyway not interested here in the forum. Each video shown is due to the necessary respect. For the guys, what are the pure, whether on Vimeo and YouTube trust, in contrast to most theorists in the forum to post at all times what (;! This was not an insult but an observation). So - please. . .

This is synonymous interesting - with a view to the so highly praised resolution of the 5D II:

http://www.vimeo.com/2837777



Antwort von Zizi:

Ey come on .. you really want with the quality of the 5D Vimeo Videos
Judge?
Look here:
http://www.limelighthd.tv/canoneos/
or you lad here http://88.191.20.67/video/akiba/Tokyo-Reality-h264-1080p.mp4
(; Right click-save target as ...) the 1.8 GB file down and amazed!
But you know already the Vimeos resolution is just as bad as your D90 to what is never done, according Shcärfe for something like that!
A 5D video to post them on Vimeo and is bordered s.beleidigung runterkonvertiert on a 720p Web Format and even worse than the quality of the Nikon!
That, the SX1 is good, but better known to me synonymous as the 5D? no, definitely not (; maybe for car films) .. Oh and the SX1 has an output jack and the video is better than the D90! ;-)
In any case, you really have no idea how it seems ..
Have you tried a 5D schonmal or in the hand that you can tell so negative?



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:
E
Have you tried a 5D schonmal or in the hand that you can tell so negative?


Jo - had the part already have at least twenty times in the hand and vigorously tested synonymous, because I never buy a pig in a poke.

And please do not always come with any videos of the pros with the 5D II have been rotated. The fact is that Cam is not nearly as good as is suggested here by blinded professional works. This shows the examples that I can arbitrarily set a hundred times and more pure.

I can shoot with the part even using my Nikon prime lenses very well, I say honest, but the slightly higher resolution - in real and good, some manual application - outweigh the disadvantages (; color display gray-black ec, real-time editing and so on. etc.) is not on.

The examples that were all so taken up of amateurs are still clear. Where is the acclaimed quality - nothing to see it.

Here is such a proud owner - you look even at the black and the distortions: http://www.vimeo.com/3198727



Antwort von Zizi:

Well the brightest is not exactly the type .. looks through the viewfinder while shooting ... !
In any case, Vimeo videos are no Comparison!
http://www.limelighthd.tv/canoneos/
these videos were of an amateur, as you are filmed and which I think is much much much better than the example clips of professionals in the D90!
Quote:
The cam is not as good as is suggested here by blinded professional works.

What is that in all advertisements?
Or do you really think your Abwehkäfte strengthens the Actimel?
It's at Denner video so just about what is possible!



Antwort von meawk:

@ Zizi
So, now you do not even mind. You can find the part so well synonymous, so bad it's not synonymous again. As I said, I can operate the part very well and thus achieve very good results synonymous. But I've decided not to buy the part, because of the serious shortcomings I have described, which can not compensate for the slightly higher resolution. Maybe I'll buy me the successor model. May be yes, if the with the gray-black at some point hinbekommt times and the Cam you can easily serve synonymous adapter manual.

Currently, the D90 for me is the clear better choice - basta!

I would return my D90 and accessories at my local dealer three weeks ago - without loss if I had bought the 5D II. No - have kept the D90 - the part is just great and has already achieved cult status. Going to have an Firmewarehack for the D90 in terms of 1080p and then the 5D II anyway, or certainly without a chance. As synonymous of something larger sensor helps nothing.

Tell me what a cave to the poor gray-black (; lack of nuance...) Does the 5D II, the ninth or do you not see that - under the slogan: "What must not, can not be." Weeks ago, my daughter has with her cell phone designers made a video, as shown above in the next post - so the inside of the outside, colorful windows, etc.: (!; Bad) Eh, that at least looked as good as that of the 5D II . Unfortunately, she has deleted it, otherwise I would have the time shown for the Comparison.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Meawk" wrote:

Tell me what a cave to the poor gray-black (; lack of nuance...) Of the 5D II


If you video quality retouched, that it should look like film, which include the simulation of the bleach bypass. This provides one part of desaturation, the other a black without drawing. Even analog footage you send through Bleach, and achieved the same effect.

So, drawing in the depths is a (; useless) feature of video, not of film. Accordingly, these comments Pillep all. But the fact is synonymous that most 5D filmmakers are too stupid to change the settings set to neutral values, which takes back the contrast and synonymous in the depths of more features.

MB



Antwort von PowerMac:

Approach: edit to make it look like film. Film look will always be one copy, approach. It would be better to throw away the reference of the film and create an aesthetic s.sich.








Antwort von domain:

"Marc ballhaus" wrote:
"Meawk" wrote:

Tell me what a cave to the poor gray-black (; lack of nuance...) Of the 5D II


If you video quality retouched, that it should look like film, which include the simulation of the bleach bypass. This provides one part of desaturation, the other a black without drawing.


Well, there could have opinions differ pretty. Normally, one would like to have a certain detail in the shadows, but a real black, I identified containing synonymous.
True, the conventional 4-color printing is applied a modified black separation to achieve a certain depth and it was synonymous with the time printed in Technicolorverfahren Movies.

With the present method is more likely to find rare, but is the fight for a total and not drawn by black it synonymous today.

Therefore, people used to gain only sparingly. The Picture can be quiet predominantly black, but what if some (; with highlights) that sticks out from the deep black and it looks like Rembrandt and thus of great



Antwort von vertov99:

amazing how everyone gets second DSLR discussion thread to heated ;-)
I think it's rather pointless clips from the web to compare, if the picture quality of a device is to me is the aesthetic and dramatic quality also welcome no preference. as an indication of what a camera under ideal conditions can or can not, they may serve, yes. I've bought sx1 (; synonymous in this miserable shots I had seen excellent) and they met me for the purpose. firmware modification for full manual control would be even nice, but at half the price of the d90 also immature and a fifth of the 5d II is still the most sensible choice, apart of the apparently sensational seems lowlight capabilities-the 5d II with regard to video simply is not 5 times better ... what there doing, but it is incredibly exciting, but we are happy times ....



Antwort von meawk:

@ Vertov99

I congratulate you on your good choice. The SX1 is already a hammer for the Money.

And exciting is the issue with security. Looking forward to the next generation of these cams.



Antwort von Zizi:

According to VAD, the SX1 in the video keep up with the 5D .. The question's just how it looks from the in the with the depth of field?
Better low light like a HF100?
Why is there of the Still Image film cameras do not let the test pictures to test Slashcam or VAD, etc.? The skin nirgent be compared with camcorder in its price range which I find very sad!
It's hard to really good video of tests that look!



Antwort von vertov99:

"Zizi" wrote:
According to VAD, the SX1 in the video keep up with the 5D .. The question's just how it looks from the in the with the depth of field?
Better low light like a HF100? !


the professionals are in the forum can probably answer better, but: what Notwithstanding any other video recordings are the bitrate and sx1 eos5II regarding codec ident and then of course the latter scores with its full frame sensor depth of field with respect and lowlight. the sx1 is reflected in this regard camcorders quite brave in comparison to more expensive will come, but not against the "big brother". my observations to the "rolling shutter" effect the same in both cameras (; horrible) pronounced. attention: the SX1 has a permanently installed objectively, manual trickery-as possible for the other video DSLRs are therefore excluded. if money plays a role, but is present in my opinion the best choice until the second, improved generation.



Antwort von Zizi:

Maybe it better to wait for the Red Scarlet?



Antwort von Chezus:

I just hope that once again a stitch up a hornet's nest.
News is indeed not new to the Scarlet.
I know OT but: to show what you can expect prop with new information on Scarlet?



Antwort von B.DeKid:

@ Chezus

Regarding fair question

The closest well to the NAB

http://www.nab.org

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:
According to VAD, the SX1 in the video keep up with the 5D .. The question's just how it looks from the in the with the depth of field?
Better low light like a HF100?


Here, once picked out on the fly; s.2: 23 min lowlight at its best with the SX1. Something had to shell out big bucks if you have the quality in a camcorder like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=LVzA9SS_2hQ

And here, a botched test facility in terms of depth of focus to me in passing while walking with the dog filmed. This can significantly improve with more time. The cam has a huge potential!




This is synonymous beautiful - small test video with the SX1:

http://www.vimeo.com/2885747








Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Approach: edit to make it look like film. Film look will always be one copy, approach. It would be better to throw away the reference of the film and create an aesthetic s.sich.


If you can not master it until completion, which is probably a good tactic.

"Meawk" wrote:
s.2: 23 min low light with the finest of the SX1.


I only see a black mass with burn white. In the other shots during the day falls mainly on especially inadequate Dynamics. Funny thing.

MB



Antwort von Zizi:

You can not leave well .. Vimeo such Yputube and videos are not meaningful for reviews .. I really like this get eye cancer despite pseudo HD like the Nikon!
A question s.rande:
When exactly is the Scarlet?
The sensor of the 5D is still bigger and stronger and thus synonymous light
with better DOF?



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Zizi" wrote:

The sensor of the 5D is still bigger and stronger and thus synonymous light
with better DOF?


If he is synonymous. There is no cam on the market, which has a bokeh as the 5D, NO. And as such, the NO Lowlightfähigkeiten. But it is pointless to discuss here, because some lack of understanding of knowledge in the area not just where the meaning is the 5D and the D90 has lost nothing in the Comparison. It makes more sense the 5D with the Red One as compare with the D90.

The Scarlet will there be a FF version with a full frame sensor, which then has the same uncertainties as the 5D, and operates at high speed with the Scarlet windowing, so that you specifically synonymous exactly the deal if you can want.

MB



Antwort von Chezus:

April is an eternity. I now need a "super-Cam"
However: when you need not;)



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:
You can not leave well .. Vimeo such Yputube and videos are not meaningful for reviews .. I really like this get eye cancer despite pseudo HD like the Nikon!
A question s.rande:
When exactly is the Scarlet?
The sensor of the 5D is still bigger and stronger and thus synonymous light
with better DOF?


Young hold you back - you are in my thread. So let the Gesülze of the Scarlet or good professional videos of the 5D II here is the 5D II and its serious shortcomings. Stay on topic.

Show me a low light video of your super HF 100 (; laugh!), So we can laugh at all times vigorously.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
The Scarlet will there be a FF version with a full frame sensor, which then has the same uncertainties as the 5D, and operates at high speed with the Scarlet windowing, so that you specifically synonymous exactly the deal if you can want.


Cool thanks for the info!
Until April, I could have been waiting for ..
What would cost such a Scarlet + Starter kid? and where can you buy that then?
To have this camera makes it easy to find anything!
Is really annoying .. really you should buy the exact reason and not a comercial Herstelller; share (Canon)?
I prefer to get their hands is really simple and s.die!

Quote:
Show me a low light video of your super HF 100 (; laugh!), So we can laugh at all times vigorously.

I have no HF100 more .. Possession at the moment only an XH A1 a D90 in low light and sharpness around the 3-fold surpassed even though there is weakening synonymous ..

Quote:
Young hold you back - you are in my thread.

true .. I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings!
Just like the Gaza Strip here!



Antwort von meawk:

"Marc ballhaus" wrote:
"Zizi" wrote:

The sensor of the 5D is still bigger and stronger and thus synonymous light
with better DOF?


If he is synonymous. There is no cam on the market, which has a bokeh as the 5D, NO. And as such, the NO Lowlightfähigkeiten. But it is pointless to discuss here, because some lack of understanding of knowledge in the area not just where the meaning is the 5D and the D90 has lost nothing in the Comparison. It makes more sense the 5D with the Red One as compare with the D90.
MB


Hi - back from Austria. Have you already missed.
The D90 fits perfect in this Comparison, the bokeh is as good as the 5D II, which is a fact.

Since the RED looks a bit worse - you are right.

And the lowlightfähigkeiten the D90 are now synonymous times better than the RED - that's a fact synonymous.

Imm again makes everything runterzuleieren prayer wheel, the whole is not credible, or more correctly - MB. But we wanted to fight any more. . .



Antwort von Chezus:

the costs (; until it is fully operational, with RED lenses, etc), about 10k

on www.red.com but are the specs ...



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Since the RED looks a bit worse - you are right.

And the lowlightfähigkeiten the D90 are now synonymous times better than the RED - that's a fact synonymous.


Do modest but good about the Red Hat's certainly a film with its rotated?
Are you sure such a nerd at the miser 1 year before the Realease gives a poor rating without knowing the equipment?

Quote:
10k


Huh? ` ¬ 10,000 or what do you mean?



Antwort von meawk:

[Quote = "Zizi"]
Quote:

I have no HF100 more .. Possession at the moment only an XH A1 a D90 in low light and sharpness around the 3-fold surpassed even though there is weakening synonymous ..



Yes now I am laughing almost broke - he has A! the XH. That's one of the worst cams that I know of at all - absolutely no Comparison to D90. The D90 is in a different class! In low light the D90 superior to - where did you get that nonsense?

And for RED: Am I stupid and buy me such a part - with everything you need so 20k -, no. Especially since the part can not get in low light even begin to s.die D90. Jo - and the bokeh - thanks MB for the keyword - even as we speak not of been a Comparison. And the D90 good times with fixed focal length and good equipment costs well below 3k. This is unbeatable. The Innovation of the Year 2008!



Antwort von vertov99:

"Marc ballhaus" wrote:


I only see a black mass with burn white. In the other shots during the day falls mainly on especially inadequate Dynamics. Funny thing.

MB


well, then I might do burn out. In all seriousness, go for such a low-budget things for my taste, the dynamics clear. synonymous, the hands-free lowlight shots (; the mind is s.ende of 20x zoom spectrum) are quite acceptable. I'm the only one that particularly the (and in this clip, of course, forced) does cmos wobble effect? at 1:50 you could easily assume an earthquake ...



Antwort von Director:

We are in early March with the 5DMK2 West Hollywood, LA and NYC to film at night, usaus rigged the helicopter with flight over the East River, plus various establishing shots of the ESB, plus a ride in a taxi on the Brooklyn Bridge plus various scenes in the darkness in the Bronx.

I have quite deliberately Scrrenplay developed that is tailored to the camera and not at all feasible that would be different. In this thread, it seems that some apples with pears to be confused and talking about things with which they are not familiar.

When I look at all the Testfilmchen, I can only shake his head. My DP and I will make with each x-DV camcorder any better pictures, as many here with the 5D, but synonymous vice versa. A Camera, which is apparently geeiggnet for scenic purposes of a special kind, not in passing, I test and compare the images with that of a vile camcorder. With such a camera is directed.

Therefore the debate for me is unfortunately not traceable. Not a bit.



Antwort von Zizi:

Is yes, as in the flirt chat here ...
Quote:
Yes now I am laughing almost broke - he has A! the XH. That's one of the worst cams that I know of




Do you ever any camcorder?
Is actually compare Ridiculous an XH A1 with a D90!
At least she is absolutely A1 Blue-ray Full HD Capable and comes very close to a ProfiCAM .. Youtube limits on the D90 is hardly s.die!
Apart of the depth of focus is the D90 a good Aiptek Webcam!



Antwort von DWUA:

"Chezus" wrote:
the costs (; until it is fully operational, with RED Optics etc.) designed to 10k ...

And? Does it bother you?



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:

Is actually compare Ridiculous an XH A1 with a D90!
!


I give you right - the XH A1 with the D90 compare to is nonsense, since the XH A1 is not the D90, the water can range, and in almost all respects. Thanks for your insight.

Have the times tested - about three months - that one I was annoyed of the part. Because yes you can with a camcorder for under 1k mitfilmen loose. The results were not watching. The seller then has meant that I should leave him again, but there was synonymous with nothing over. . .



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Zizi" wrote:

At least she is absolutely A1 Blue-ray Full HD Capable .. Youtube limits on the D90 is hardly s.die!


No so-called Full HD camcorder, HD, None! The actual resolution is far below those Mediamarktcams of HD. Cam is the only Full HD is the Red, it is just over 2k.

--------

But with the D90 I give you right, it is a useless marketing toy, nothing more. You can either 720p (HD), nor has Lowlightfähigkeiten. Just because the controller goes up to 3200, this does not mean that the result hergibt something. She rushes at ISO 1600 about as much as the 5D in 6400, seriously it is only usable up to ISO 800, and thus not Lowlighttauglicher as an HD-CAM.

For D90, there are in addition to the tight budget no good reason to buy anyway for a 5D, already, for a Red.

MB



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
No so-called Full HD camcorder, HD, None! The actual resolution is far below those Mediamarktcams of HD. Cam is the only Full HD is the Red, it is just over 2k.

Yes I agree with you right .. but it comes much closer like alla other HDV cams and light years ahead of the D90 then on!



Antwort von meawk:

Well - if they are ignorant are agreed, then we should rather remain silent.

Here is a "terrific" Video of the XH A1

http://www.vimeo.com/3077017

Lowlightfähigkeiten?



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Well - if they are ignorant are agreed, then we should rather remain silent.
You really are the best .. I think your posts fit better in the Comedy Club!
Fooled us or do you serious?
Nikon, or you played a trick on your D90 and secretly missed a 5D sensor?



Antwort von Chezus:

@ DWUA

I do not mind! But the penny-pincher here that want to go for under 2000 ¬ more like with a Arri

(; This has to be addressed None feel!)



Antwort von meawk:

Here is a blast of Zizi's XH A1

http://www.vimeo.com/3156039

Not of him, of course, but impressive

And that is quite remarkable

http://www.vimeo.com/3127048

One is the well-Cam? My knowledge is the Cam around now like a ton stone in the shops and None Now she wants. Well, if it costs 450 euros for times I take them synonymous.



Antwort von Chezus:

Oh my God, that's still really too far ...

This has, however, synonymous NULL NULL significance!
Ok, if the thread so drift:


was with the Canon XL1S rotated (; the movie was quite good)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117765/technical
was rotated to 35 mm. The film is shit

Hear now finally on Youtube with this drecks Vimeo, snippets.

Wobble Effect relating to the two cams: I find horrible. No. 1 reason to buy me any of the two cams.



Antwort von meawk:

So - now again back to the original topic:

http://www.vimeo.com/3157551

You've got to USDA blown-out white in the clip. For this one needs no 5D II?



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Meawk" wrote:
Well - if they are ignorant are agreed, then we should rather remain silent.


I would be interested in your views motive why you praise the D90, but it apparently sympathize partially blind. The quirks are to have the D90 but not of the hand, and, as written above, what reason is there to buy a D90?

- The 5D can only marginally as it rushes and Cam 6400
- The 5D has a higher bokeh than any other cam on this planet because it has the largest sensor
- The Red, more than 2k
- The Red is High Speed
- The D90 can ... well, what can she cost except a little?

Give me one good reason why they rotate with the D90 to do? Because they can 24p? Ok, nice ground, but it seriously enough to be preferred to one of the aforementioned cams?

MB



Antwort von Chezus:

Everyone defends his specially Equipment until it is sold. Then he complains about it ;-)

I understand this thread is not synonymous. Especially not now why Meawk allergic reaction if they expressed criticism.
Have you discovered about the Cam?

@ MarcB.
OT: now you sell the Letus? 'm seriously interested!



Antwort von meawk:

@ MB
The difference is - I do not sympathize with the blind Cam, I know what they can and what they can not
I had to show you but only a few weeks ago to write / how to use the Cam at all really (; with lenses with manual aperture ring, procedure of Kholi, etc.). That's a fact. I, too, no one will believe, you do not synonymous, first, the man with the 5D II can only shoot reasonably well and if we substitute an adapter and Niko prime lens with manual focus ring. The fact is synonymous.

For me, the examples on Vimeo and YouTube are not redundant - no, they reflect the cams against under normal conditions and use for purposes of amateurs and that is very important for the decision of many people who want to buy these cams. And there happens to be the 5D II cuts off not just good (; one has to keep the price of the action synonymous in the eye - about 3k for the set and then again you need min 1k for good used fixed focal length, etc..).

And since this common rule, much nonsense about the capabilities of the D90, so you have to do something. The sample videos speak volumes. . .

Is undisputed that the professionals get with two cams and the synonymous listed here very good results. But it is exciting but the question is: How does average Joe consumer AmateurX cope with it and what are the results. Delicious I think the proud owner of the elevator with his 5D II, which shows an incredible skillful way the weaknesses of the action in the gray-black range. And happy he does nevertheless, allows us to share all - great.



Antwort von r.p.television:

I've now seen ...
Meawk is the only Knower of the masters in passing each camera and everything better than we know.
Its D90 is the Grail in the film-maker and his tools of the guardians.
I am aware that my twenty years of experience are worth nothing because there is now Meawk. The new Messiah among the filmmakers of the tinkering of a bread and butter camera is a wonder camera.
We are unworthy.
Ironic mode.
PLONK!

I hope that he is a sechzzehnjähriger Meawk for students with excessive pride is the first owner. Then we could ignore so much nonsense ...



Antwort von PowerMac:

This I have with my iPhone camera filmed.



Antwort von meawk:

"PowerMac" wrote:
This I have with my iPhone camera filmed.


Very nice, the gradations in the gray-black area are better than the 5D II My point exactly - next so!



Antwort von Chezus:

Powermac Hey!
As you have the knotless Bokeh with the iPhone hammer out?

The shit spatter are set so beautifully staged, wonderfully!

;-)



Antwort von meawk:

@ Rptelevision

"Yellow card" - we were going to respectfully discuss and express no insults. Please at least hold you in my thread it - thanks!



Antwort von Chezus:

for that you have given me some other things but popped in front of the bib, although I've done nothing ;-)



Antwort von vertov99:

hey, what's this now? are signs of reconciliation, augenzwinker-smileys?
in this thread is still an evening to clarify once and for all what the best camera of all time and for any purpose!



Antwort von meawk:

"Chezus" wrote:
for that you have given me some other things but popped in front of the bib, although I've done nothing ;-)


Sry, that was before the agreement - see the top of the next thread. Since we all have sharp shot - but now is love, peace and prevail pancakes and a substantive discussion because of the sample videos are Vordegrund. This can always better, in my opinion.



Antwort von Chezus:

Right, I forgot:
I find this quite acceptable. Better than the D90 and the 5D
http://www.arri.de/camera/35_format/arriflex_435_xtreme.html

Otherwise, I mostly rotating with the video function of my hacked iPhones + 35mm adapter
Or even with a good zoom Optics ...



Antwort von meawk:

Do you see - is it, now you're running synonymous in the right lane.



Antwort von Zizi:

Hihihihihiihi! Still Image madness .. is that your work with the new Macbook in the middle? ah ne the're not white!
hey meawk .. send us a video comparison will compete in 1:1 where the 5D and D90 with each other and not the beschauerten Kompressuren of Youtube!



Antwort von meawk:

Noo zizi, the comparison platform is and will remain in this thread Vimeo and YouTube - that "there is dancing where the bear of amateurs".

This is it. What brings about the amateur with the parts. Incredibly exciting, sry I've now repeated.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Noo zizi, the comparison platform is and will remain in this thread Vimeo and YouTube -

Wrong .. and is still in this thread, the monitor of each .. and can my FullHD .. your not and maybe that's why you can see the differences of D90 and 5D do not know!



Antwort von raketenforscher:

@ Meawk what you need the D90? For certain projects or for the private sector (; test snippets of video platforms)?

Otherwise, I think your presence here has already pathological features.

And you compare the basis of Internet video cameras. And I think your practical experience with the Canon refer to try in a shop.

MfG



Antwort von vertov99:

new-fangled stuff. true can get the following gets the last out of all:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Camera

the 128x112 pixel with clever interpolation can be extrapolated to the red-suited 4k convincing bokeh and color synonymous in the finish. variable with 10-30 fps is not necessary to any "25 or 30p" discussion. with built-in "shoot em up" mode each recording a hit, rolling shutter is a strange word. and during the breaks can be played tetris. We have a winner.



Antwort von Chezus:

which is (and now I kid) is still somewhere in some box in the basement with me.
The part I forgot. Thanks for the info! Then I need not wait for the Scarlet but can start right away!



Antwort von meawk:

@ Rocket scientist

I flim with the D90 - I hope with this statement to have satisfied the demand. Typically, for private purposes must, therefore, earn no money, otherwise I would have much of a cam for 30k. So - so the question really was not really hlfreich. Show me trying out a video. . .

The input test video was made in the store - right, but got the 5D II synonymous tested outside of the business. Is not synonymous of concern. Based on the results that could not convince me, but I prefer to keep the D90 (and my reasons not now repeat again - sry).

And I have a Canon HG21 synonymous after three days returned because Lowlightuntauglichkeit. "Zizi's" brick, which had been synonymous XH A1 I tested in the hand and - not great, so did not come on the short list - sry Ziz.

I hope that will not always have the same questions, all of which were already answered.



Antwort von meawk:

"Vertov99" wrote:
new-fangled stuff. true can get the following gets the last out of all:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Camera

We have a winner.


Can not you even a video on Vimeo reins out of it. . . looks promising.



Antwort von Zizi:

Yes and as you have you bought the D90 because of the much much better in video as an XH A1 and G21 and logically 5D!
I am not a fan of the synonymous Lowlight of the XH A1 let the outcomes of the HG21 but the s.allerwenigsten of the D90!

Oh Boy Cam is the real madness!
What has blocked the fürn sensor? The madness has determined the black level in low light .. which will provide even a stir sooo black will be the!



Antwort von domain:

"PowerMac" wrote:
This I have with my iPhone camera filmed.


PowerMac compliment you, eh come quite far in your standard. Look at my toilet:


zum Bild



Antwort von Zizi:

Yes your shithouse has something of the Mac ads!
PC (, left) vs. MAc (; right)!



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:
J
I am not a fan of the synonymous Lowlight results of the XH A1


Which I guess is s.Dir - you can at least the deficiencies that your cam has to admit publicly. So it is. So I'm not synonymous purchased.

Although it is not so bad otherwise. But since I, the "jack of all trades" and seeking more than photograph films, therefore, the decision to the D90 just as clear as Klösbrühe.



Antwort von vertov99:

"Chezus" wrote:
Then I need not wait for the Scarlet but can start right away!


scarlet's earlier than the (; esoterik) Measure 2011 and may not be of mere mortals anyway touched, so it is only by remote control to operate. the secret is market leader Nintendo.

I have used this camera by the way even at shootings in los angeles and new york, and it has to helicopter-, u-bahn speedboataufnahmen-and at day and night proved. my double was particularly convinced of the lowlight capabilities: with a simple lighter was the lcd screen synonymous with night still clearly visible.



Antwort von domain:

....



Antwort von meawk:

One more thing. Horrible colors in the gray-black area as well as totally blown-out highlights:

http://www.vimeo.com/3170056



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
One more thing. Horrible colors in the gray-black area as well as totally blown-out highlights:

http://www.vimeo.com/3170056

Yes really .. This video compression is truly enormous bad!
I think I'll buy no more .. 5D that looks so bad on Youtube!
Oh yes and let the finger of a 35mm Arri!
see here:

Very poor and black tone Chromatic flags and the further processing until ...
I walk my thing in the morning to the Nikon dealer!



Antwort von meawk:

You learn very quickly - Zizi!



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Meawk" wrote:

I had to show you but only a few weeks ago to write / how to use the Cam at all really (; with lenses with manual aperture ring, procedure of Kholi, etc.). That's a fact.


Although I was not on men, but I find you progressively sweet.

"Chezus" wrote:

OT: now you sell the Letus? 'm seriously interested!


Of course, what should I do with it? I will take now that is synonymous another D90 and fits to the spring of Fielmann model meawk "with both sides Anti-Alias | Wavefront Mayaing-and interpolation, optionally supplemented with low-light amplifier up to ISO 1 million.

MB



Antwort von meawk:

@ MB

That you want to deny it or not? If everything is documented here in the forum. And if you still want to be so amusing, does not change the facts s.den.

What's the matter you for so magically in Lowlightbereich / filmed. Looks at you from the gray-black area synonymous Sun grottenschlecht? Were still in Austria to film is not it? The brass band was going to the nerves in the room and have to wait for the end or something like that.

Show me was her, so that the 5D II desperate owners can raise s.Dir.



Antwort von PowerMac:

Catcht her now naked in the mud pool? Then at least I would be happy!



Antwort von meawk:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Catcht her now naked in the mud pool? Then at least I would be happy!


Why not - only when one sees filming with the 5D II is yes because of the grotto poor color representation in the gray-black area not much, it was the 15-member team with a plurality of illumination as tear out something else.

Jo - the MB always throws in the towel so quickly. First he has separated of the D90, because he could not operate and has produced only garbage, and now he whines at a high level of wg. the 5D II Forum (; see various other threads and forums...). Well - maybe I lend the 5d II yes time off, they display fittings with my Nikon prime lenses and let's see how the MB is good as synonymous with film. The with the gray-black and I get with the 5D II has a bissal better way - I promise. In a pinch I'll write a firmware hack that finally funzt.



Antwort von Zizi:

Whoa you with your black and gray shit ..
That falls on any pig anyway!
I've actually already seen many movies of the 5D (; 1:1 no Youtube) and I'd never noticed something!
For less than 2500 ¬ you can not get a hold 35mm Arri for Hangepäck!
A critique has never yet given free Camera and it is never synonymous!
Anyway, I would be glad if a Nikon DSLR (? D800) would bring gleichziehhen can die with the 5D and the .. before May
Because the D90 is not my purpose to use really .. Since you may as well buy a phone with video function!
http://www.slashcam.de/news/single/Samsung-OmniaHD-Handy-bald-with-720p-Videofunktion-7384.html

Oh yes I have now found the video which the D90 their full
Muscle power is in evidence!
I would say "the revenge Reverie" .. have fun look at!




Antwort von meawk:

Thanks Zizi, as we see sometimes in spite of the intermittent video, the potential in the action lies. And about the color display can not even discuss it, which is easy to classes better than the 5D II, which looks even every child.

You see - I am the way, if I could help you so that you look closely some time soon, and I quote:

"... Whoa you with your black and gray shit ..
That falls on any pig anyway!
I've actually already seen many movies of the 5D (; 1:1 no Youtube) and I'd never noticed something! . . .

But, now it catches your eye synonymous. As it rains, the Yanks already been weeks in various forums about it and not only to the Americans. . .

That is a huge shortcoming of the 5D II just looks Sch **** out!

Good night - until the next round.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"Director" wrote:



I have quite deliberately Scrrenplay developed that is tailored to the camera and not at all feasible that would be different .......


Gude

Can you tell me more about it?

Because as I said, I imagine the result of the action of something unusual. (; See note regarding mene of inline skates, skaters and bikers (; BMX to pursue).)

I have to adjust when shooting often synonymous manual focus areas where I think it appears the driver (; zB.HalfPipe) - this is all here know the shot before the AF mode when shooting moving alternate I almost impossible for me before.

I have thoughts regarding the realization of faster camera made trips - see here but (; no preference whether with Nikon or Canon) of handling problems.

Are you the Meihnung could with Rig is synonymous try to implement an in-line shot?
Due to the non-static field or sharpness of the constant distance to the object?
One must then work with Remote Focus Puller?
(; We talk times of about 35 mm lenses WW I think are missing part, not to use Shots)

I would be more intressieren really moving thing with respect to the realization of your shots.
I hardly think this is your only "infinity" focus ;-)
Lenses and what you used!

Can write synonymous like an Email if this goes beyond the scope here.

bgdekid @ hotmail. de

.................................................. ..........................................

@ Vertov99

What is the best camera for all purposes -

- Your mind and eye
- Right of NEM followed shoe box with glass bottom jam Lens

.................................................. ............................................


Regarding. Boy Cam

When you consider when to comb out including the small thermal printer - plus the short to complete than the Game Boy Color synonymous represented the first video files on the Game Boy went to small Catridges copied - Hats off! (; Camera and printer gabs already for the predecessor - there could be the pics but still not pass s.Storage.

.................................................. .............................................

MfG
B. DeKid


PS: And there is no better than toilet scene of this "classic"

* You have to first to see the Making Of! *



Antwort von Director:

"Meawk" wrote:
Thanks Zizi, as we see sometimes in spite of the intermittent video, the potential in the action lies. And about the color display can not even discuss it, which is easy to classes better than the 5D II, which looks even every child.


Yes yes you can certainly express his opinion, but if it is asserted factual untruths, it is synonymous degrades very quickly to the spinner. Your behavior reminds me s.den wrong-way driver on the highway, claiming bein fixed, all others were going in the wrong direction.

I wish that you it does not happen at some point, but your posts do clearly a cause for concern. And if you want to know what to say professionals really do, then you should listen - if you're interested.

"B. DeKid" wrote:

Are you the Meihnung could with Rig is synonymous try to implement an in-line shot?
Due to the non-static field or sharpness of the constant distance to the object?
One must then work with Remote Focus Puller?
(; We talk times of about 35 mm lenses WW I think are missing part, not to use Shots)

I would be more intressieren really moving thing with respect to the realization of your shots.
I hardly think this is your only "infinity" focus ;-)
Lenses and what you used!


What do you want to secure a rig in the halfpipe? I think something should be done more with a head camera, because the head compensates for a lot of wobbling.

The helicopter is attached to the Cam s.einem remote head, corresponding with wireless focus, so that we will be there flexible. But there will be synonymous POV shots from his hand. Of optics, we use only those with manual aperture, so usNikon 24-85 2.8, 35 1.4, Tokina 11-16, the latter being fully illuminates only up to 15mm, which is in full format but the same angle as 10mm in Crop and Super35 formats.



Antwort von meawk:

Director @

do you sometimes not worry about me, I'm already alone clear.

And with the colors in the video mode is now even a fact. Here, the D90 has quite clearly in the lead. Since no whining benefits synonymous with the highest quality. The majority of videos are the 5D II with views of the gray-black and shading just bad and not to look, so horrible.

The die-canoni have big problems, of course, for they are shown after the initial hype Laforet now by the user otherwise. The cam is for the average user in the video mode almost useless. OK, who with the gray-black bulk can live **** or it does not look or want to see? The D90 is much less problematic and, therefore, if you all for realistic and unbiased view and cons, simply a better cam for the user.

The super creativen professionals who daily ape a Stanley Kubrick, Tarantino, Spielberg, or any other movie size to buy but the "oh so great" 5D II and use and with their so-valuable works of art in its own juice stew. Then for days, weeks or months, rework, etc., etc.



Antwort von Zizi:

¬ meawk:
You are really a high-pitched bird!
But your self-preservation instinct or better Nikon really shows increase of!
The Nikon is in everything (; apart of the black and gray ka?.)
Canon inferior by far! Tell that not only I but synonymous
Slashcam, VAD, and 100 Winn blog if not 1000te of experts!



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:
¬ meawk:
You are really a high-pitched bird!
But your self-preservation instinct or better Nikon really shows increase of!
The Nikon is in everything (; apart of the black and gray ka?.)
Canon inferior by far! Tell that not only I but synonymous
Slashcam, VAD, and 100 Winn blog if not 1000te of experts!


Well, I'm reassured before, that you include the gray-black look with the least and not for sheer love of the monkey eyes to do.

On the known and relevant test, etc. I give out various reasons for a long time nothing more. . .

Orgy of black holes and the blown-out light:

http://www.vimeo.com/3242285



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Meawk" wrote:
The super creativen professionals who daily ape a Stanley Kubrick, Tarantino, Spielberg, or any other movie size to buy but the "oh so great" 5D II and use and with their so-valuable works of art in its own juice stew. Then for days, weeks or months, rework, etc., etc.


Maybe in your education: That which you see on screen is always retouched, and indeed massively. I do not know you are of professional butcher or so, now in early retirement and lay up to boredom with people who would talk in real life, not even with you. Instead of time to use your brain and to learn of these people, you're talking nonsense here only garbage and arrogant.

I told you schonmal said if you do not understand where the meaning is the 5D and you're happy with your D90, that's no problem, then so be it, but the fact that you want to explain to me and other professionals really It is simply unbelievable embarrassing - and you do not even notice it. You're doing completely ridiculous.

Would you like a spark of understanding what are you writing, you would inevitably see that the 5D is a completely different camera than the D90 and that one can not compare both. But you realize the lack of knowledge are not at first. In the post before, I've been wondering for what may be a reason for a D90? What can a D90, what other can not be a cam, or what they can do better? There is of course nothing comes out of your totally nonsensical gray-black and bubbling.

Sometimes this: What interests me because of the depth range of the image? I turn the contrast to neutral - and not to zero! - The effect is gone. White light source burns as always, the rest is a matter of DPs and how it is illuminated. No more and no less. The fact is synonymous to the measured dynamics of 5D is significantly higher than that of the D90, so is your drivel synonymous technical nonsense and with nothing but verifiable your subkjektivem impression on movies that are on Vimeo and YouTube and, as far as I've seen consistently with the wrong settings were aufgeommen. The 5D is not a camera for amateurs, so be it, according to the results are very bad.

Laforet also the video is a joke, though a few chic settings are, but I see as a professional right away that Laforet is a photographer and not a DP. With this video, Canon has harmed more than helped, but that does not s.unvergleichbaren potential of the 5D.

As for you: Each of the unauthorized person is reading this can see that come of thee neither useful facts, but instead just drivel, and that you are not an appropriate professional (; to German: professional) background, did not correspondingly otherwise acquired knowledge what is seen as a competence could.

You are a narrow-minded, old, incorrigible dogmatist, or absolutely nothing. Would you have on it that is what you had up here is not so embarrassing with all your bad movies are staged and beg for recognition but in Hollywood would fuck or Flip elsewhere dignified a bottle of champagne on your retirement and daily three twenty-year ... or of me from synonymous with your grandchildren play if it is not enough for the girls.

MB



Antwort von meawk:

No comment - you disqualifizierst up as always synonymous itself is not altered your meaningless no long text which I had saved me to read.

Here's a video of the D90 with Amateuer filmed. Not a masterpiece, although the color of her yet again against the gray-black display of the 5DII. Osae The video of the Japanese. would fight the dark blue coat with the beauty of the 5d II Date drown in the black hair of beauty. Here, however, taken with the D90 are the natural colors to wear very nice - jo! With the Navy has the 5d II synonymous its problems - I had forgotten to include. Why I have shown so far, no video with "dark blue" of the 5d II? Yes - indicates when the 5D II is not as good as dark blue, looks i d.. R. with black.

http://www.vimeo.com/3249790



Antwort von r.p.television:

@ MB & others
Makes it easy synonymous PLONK!
I was almost synonymous as far as me getting angry about these mindless outpourings. I do not need. What synonymous? One can just as well with someone whose memory maintain a memory of 5 seconds of time.
If you write here next to him is just a stage he does not deserve.



Antwort von meawk:

"Rptelevision" wrote:
@ MB & others
Makes it easy synonymous PLONK!


I thank you - really!
Yes - guys (; Friends of the 5D II) puts an end, you can only lose, so this is now when you see the error does not want and they are presented piecemeal get, then you will only offensive, irrelevant, etc. and eventually makes it but rather to good and isses. There is abundant evidence for my position and the irrefutable evidence I would spare you, but really are unique. Think so s.eure health and your sleep, and I would not rob you.

That has to continue working so slowly synonymous times a bissal s.meinem 1080p firmware hack for the D90. So do not be sad, perhaps even synonymous is a hack for 5D II because of the gray-black and dark blue, etc.

Un told before now but who still finished only improper and unsubstantiated Rats of the super quality of the 5d II, grab your 5D II comes out or filming inside and is taken once a rebuttal of you purely on Vimeo or YouTube. None of the 5d II before the owner of makes you - it is only in theory, compare the data sheets or any spread of the practice is not applicable or appropriate tests. In your works, I'm excited for months - only because nothing can come.



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Rptelevision" wrote:
@ MB & others
Makes it easy synonymous PLONK!
I was almost synonymous as far as me getting angry about these mindless outpourings. I do not need. What synonymous? One can just as well with someone whose memory maintain a memory of 5 seconds of time.
If you write here next to him is just a stage he does not deserve.


Right you. His posts have been pathological features. I try to ignore the coming times nonsense. Anyone who can count to three, can assess the synonymous.

-----------------

How is it people? Let us punish meawk with ignorance and no longer respond to his bubbling with respect 5D and D90! Are you there?

MB



Antwort von Chezus:

Jo'm about ...
If you sell me one now your Letus extreme!



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Director @

Gude - thanks for the info.

No, I've probably put something wrong there. I meant Rig with a "support" such as saying a product of Chrosziel or equivalent.
Speak to a device which allows me to Cam in the "handle" to lead. Respectively. to increase the weight of the camera and to eliminate the top-heaviness. Quasi for better balancing.

Inline Shot I thought the moving film of inline skates from.
In a half-pipe or above-you really only need a tripod, or perhaps even as options, P + S Skater Mini, dolly or crane.
That was also my now rather not.

Rather whether if you possibly with a remote focus puller device during a "moving Shots" (; I always NEN Following Shot) governs the sharpness - if this was brought about?

Question would have the trade union-digit account the connection to the monitor to whether this is possible only via cable or wireless variant is as synonymous.

......................

The with the helicopter and the remote head I could think of.
The record of WW lenses I was aware of synonymous and that one then a mean value (; with zoom lenses).
Nevertheless, thank you for your info.

Would you love to accompany you as - hmm - porters - of me out ;-) intressieren Because I would have such a project.
I'd pay the trip itself - to stay in NY synonymous - and as Gage NEN akzetieren handshake - the main thing to be there ;-) Because you live and learn ;-)

.................................................. .................................................. ......

@ Mark B.

What you do you will be 21 before being nibbled ;-) at least in the States not wrong.

.................................................. .................................................. ......

Regarding. Ausgefressenem Weiss

How about with the course (; ND or color) of filters?
So the white tends to be shown is overexposed so well known - this sample has one in my case often in the surf or snowboard shots or anywhere outdoors where one often directed scans of bottom up and thus from the perspective WW (; particularly in our latitudes) the gray sky into the picture sets.

Drown Black is only due to bad, a matter of white balance and the most deliberate overexposure to order processing.
Canon Models are also well known in the "Auto mode" for instance (; about 1 / 2 to 1 Aperture) to "underexpose".

I understand that is only partly why this is now interpreted as a serious weakness. Since it is 100% can be corrected with proper handling.


So long ....

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: For GreenBox pictures would convince me to 4:4:4 already full and would be a real selling point. In connection with the DoF I imagine the post-(; the Keyen) very "simple" before with the resulting Top results.

PS2: Of course you have to (;!!!) s.Arbeiten of another or (filmmakers synonymous musician) issue / photographer based;. This does not mean that one does everything for you 1to1 or trying to copy your style, but you can only learn so and above all to invent new techniques and tricks.
It is therefore essential to behold for creative people working outside the box!



Antwort von Director:

"Chezus" wrote:
Jo'm about ...
If you sell me one now your Letus extreme!


... have a synonymous in the offer, please email me, send me ne if you're interested.



Antwort von meawk:

Thank you - does make synonymous seriously, otherwise I still further alternate of the grotto purely bad video of the 5D II.

Stop it!

And MB - it is more comfortable with a little back up if you are taking. You are not loaded anyway. A little brass brings up already off balance. . .

The colors are a "dream": http://www.vimeo.com/3203349



Antwort von Director:

"B. DeKid" wrote:

Would you love to accompany you as - hmm - porters - of me out ;-) intressieren Because I would have such a project.
I'd pay the trip itself - to stay in NY synonymous - and as Gage NEN akzetieren handshake - the main thing to be there ;-) Because you live and learn ;-)


Who keeps you from? ;)



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"Director" wrote:


Who keeps you from? ;)


No one - how to reach you / you?

Date - Length of trip - contact address .... then I would visit if I get the managed!

(; Must only give my dogs and ticket book and pocket pack ;-)


Chances you have to take more exercise.

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: And if it does not work then in early March to every other time - because I would like one or the other things here in the forum look over their shoulders just to get to know other people and to broaden my horizons. Money will I learn not one for such things only.



Antwort von Chezus:

@ Director:

chezus.1985 (; at) gmx.de

equal to



Antwort von meawk:

Also "cool" - why the phone has not taken, would be just as "good" become:

http://www.vimeo.com/3120557

So, 2100 ¬ for the Body5D II are now no assets. Could I go straight into the hand and take it now. I'm so all the good strong light manual fixed focal length lenses of Nikon, nor is this a good adapter for 100 ¬. Yes I would buy, if not soooo bad thing. For such quality reaches a cell phone - must not be an iPhone, a perfectly ordinary with video function. Good, good - a slight exaggeration, but already hits the core of the videos I was shown, the 5D II



Antwort von PowerMac:

Want to see more shit photos of me, or let her have it and just behave?



Antwort von Chezus:

Fotooooos shit!! Have at least level!



Antwort von meawk:

This is synonymous beautiful, look at the crew. This is so your collar size. . .

Dat still does not work very well and from the photos - well. Wat says the MB to the Bokeh of the 5D II here in practice.

http://www.vimeo.com/3140997



Antwort von DTEurope:

"Meawk" wrote:
Also "cool" - why the phone has not taken, would be just as "good" become:

http://www.vimeo.com/3120557

So, 2100 ¬ for the Body5D II are now no assets. Could I go straight into the hand and take it now. I'm so all the good strong light manual fixed focal length lenses of Nikon, nor is this a good adapter for 100 ¬. Yes I would buy, if not soooo bad thing. For such quality reaches a cell phone - must not be an iPhone, a perfectly ordinary with video function. Good, good - a slight exaggeration, but already hits the core of the videos I was shown, the 5D II



If you have any bright manual fixed focal length of Nikon Lenses, I wonder why did you buy such an amateur camera.
You want to tell us but you have not purchased the D90 only to the film. I think more for a 5D MK II, the coal was not enough.



Antwort von meawk:

You need to know. . .

The 5D II is synonymous ne amateur cam!



Antwort von DTEurope:

absolutely correct, but there are worlds between. I've bought the 5D is not synonymous to the film. I need the megapixels of the camera



Antwort von r.p.television:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Want to see more shit photos of me, or let her have it and just behave?


Why not?
The level will benefit from this thread ....



Antwort von meawk:

"DTEurope" wrote:
absolutely correct, but there are worlds between. I've bought the 5D is not synonymous to the film. I need the megapixels of the camera


That is mal ne message. I've bought the D3x, for photography with the D90 and I film a bit and if I do not use the D 3 times, then I Mach synonymous photos with the D90 - which can very well synonymous.

"I've synonymous nor a horse, a house, a boat..." - For God's sake do not call ne new superfluous discussion to life.



Antwort von DTEurope:

Real class. What you can do. Unfortunately only know too little.
No worry, it will come.



Antwort von meawk:

So - now I'll end times for a while what needed to be said was said. It is synonymous boring. You have learned a lot, especially about the weak points of the 5D II, I too took you from a neutral point of view, the D90 times closer.

Had just 36 hours for you, because I had a V s.laufen routine. Now I have to work again what: yes Will you shortly present a clip with my 1080p firmware hack. Lets see if works out, next week here in the thread, but I think I should open a new thread with it.

Thank you for your attention -

Your meawk



Antwort von Chezus:

Meawk Bye!


.... Whew ....



Antwort von DTEurope:

oh what a pity .... :)
Ok bye meawk much fun and the taste.

Maybe you can eventually set times a still image of D90 (; not of the D90, but it made).
I would just like to make a neutral picture of the Still Image quality of the D90.

Greetings Ralf



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"DTEurope" wrote:
... Maybe you can eventually set times a still image of D90 (; not of the D90, but it made). I would just like to make a neutral picture of the Still Image quality of the D90 ...

Holding up rather s.eine demonstrably competent source, such as these:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond90/page37.asp



Antwort von B.DeKid:

With a good attitude and etc.
If a normal mortal strike anyway if it was a Canon or Nikon, which scans the Lens.

Whether or starter Pro Cam - Design, Ideas, etc. are usually decisive.

Canon vs. Nikon is even more of a Mac vs. PC Comparison and found no results ;-)

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: Is the Sun Revell vs. synonymous airbrushing. Paasche - WGAF - the picture is always important and the idea / statement ;-)



Antwort von Chezus:

jaja, PC vs. Mac ...

Therefore, to determine synonymous Zizi so involved, so he finally was the one that the Mac vs. PC has kept s.Leben thread;)



Antwort von Zizi:

YES .. we here are next ..
since Meawk not here we need material for discussion and since we are always at the 5D all agree
Mac is expensive, unstable and shit ....



Antwort von Chezus:

PC is expensive, unstable and shit ....
Have tested all. All



Antwort von Zizi:

Mac is a retired PC for rich artists!



Antwort von domain:

You two (; meawik and Zizi) are always in the bruno moderate increase of all possible relevant statements, as it were, the first derivative of fX, with particular emotional growth potential.
You deserve it but the honor of a certain entertainment potential, namely solidarity with regard to the family loyalty.
Even the biggest nonsense that had ever acquired is part of the pack and will be defended in solidarity against the enemies .......



Antwort von Zizi:

hihihi ..
I'm working on a Mac with Final Cut and 8Core wonder how CS3 is complicated this program against the PP!
You need to be before the capture exactly the format set on the tape is not to have to capture everything again.
Until I realized I had three times again and again zurükspulen wait for hours ..
Something should be logical and easy? Well I do not really ..
which are incorporated because the may not be a problem but then again speaks of the whole philosophy of Apple!
'm Just curious how dan the H264 the 5D it work?



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Zizi" wrote:

'm Just curious how dan the H264 the 5D it work?


Not at all. H.264 is generally not suitable for editing really.

But, you need synonymous for the Mac to an IQ of a number of lettuce topped by at least 5 points;)

MB



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Not at all. H.264 is generally not suitable for editing really.

Then how do you resolve it?



Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Zizi" wrote:
Quote:
Not at all. H.264 is generally not suitable for editing really.

Then how do you resolve it?


Before converting to ProRes HQ 1080/30p or 1080/24p or 1080/25p to synonymous, Compressor works as almost in real time on an 8 core and makes the standard conversion to 24/25 synonymous quite useful when you want it for and properly adjusted .

MB



Antwort von Zizi:

Which program editing?
Then I'll come back when I bought it and have to cut!
Anyway, I've had mail attachments s.die shop looks with ienem discount!
here in Austria is none of ¬ 2,399 ;-(;!



Antwort von deti:

"Zizi" wrote:
here in Austria is none of ¬ 2,399 ;-(;!

http://www.guenstiger.de/gt/main.asp?produkt=845120
... and if something is cheaper in Germany, then you can usually order as synonymous of Austria.

Deti



Antwort von domain:

I think Zizi, we will ever emigrate to Germany soon, the land of our dreams. Who earn an average of more than we do, is to compensate for it all much cheaper than ours and as a tourist you will not be an exception for as Christmas goose in terms of Tyrol and Carinthia.
'm Lately very impressed of the Germans, super friendly, even in Hannover, Berlin and Hamburg.
Unbelievable how the have changed since 1945 ;-))
I speak of the Bavarians no idea that he be unsuccessful attempt by the love of God, to want to turn a Östreeicher a German



Antwort von deti:

If you had your head then you must keep happy ;-)
Nevertheless, we feel Oberbayern us the Austrians always be better than the rest of Germany. Stay where you are - we like your cheap mobile phone tariffs!

Bayern are footsore Romans - which is why we have so many pizzerias ;-) - have failed more than the Piefkes!

Deti



Antwort von Zizi:

that's true .. in terms of electronics, the Germans have by far the better deal!
Perhaps, the reason so many foreigners ;-)!
else has a tip how cheap 5D is a ran without emigrate to Germany?



Antwort von domain:

That's true, unfortunately, Deti, of Emperor Franz Josef started to Hitler, we have produced enough idiot who brought much misery to our country.
Thomas Bernhard was one of the few who have recognized this very clearly



Antwort von deti:

I need to contribute something to the thread topic: http://vimeo.com/3155182

I like it very well and this has nothing to do with the camera, but with the result!

Deti



Antwort von Kabelträger:

How cool, this thread is. I am wrong lol ...

Keep it up!



Antwort von meawk:

Bin again briefly here. Our camera man just picks me up - we need to fly. Did the just asked to turn off the cuff times with our RED ONE has lowlight-clip in our kitchen. Here it is. Is impressive. Low Budget held on it.

Until next week - still green!





Antwort von MarcBallhaus:

"Meawk" wrote:
Bin again briefly here. Our camera man just picks me up - we need to fly. Did the just asked to turn off the cuff times with our RED ONE has lowlight-clip in our kitchen. Here it is. Is impressive. Low Budget held on it.

Until next week - still green!



First, this is not a low-light, second was not a Red, third, to explain the so-called camera man even know how to film white surfaces or exposed: So not.

Have a good flight. I wish you good weather on the moon.

MB



Antwort von Chezus:

A troll, nothing else!



Antwort von Chezus:

Director @

Have you emailed, wg. The Letus?
Have so far received nothing yet



Antwort von meawk:

"Marc ballhaus" wrote:




First, this is not a low-light, second was not a Red, third, to explain the so-called camera man even know how to film white surfaces or exposed: So not.

Have a good flight. I wish you good weather on the moon.

MB [/ quote]

Thanks MB - on the moon it was beautiful. It was quiet in front of you!

First, where low light begins is not precisely defined. Shooting in low light weaker artificial light are synonymous.

Second, the recording is ne vo a RED ONE. Give reasons for your views but why no recording of a RED is instead only give unqualified Gesülze of you. So easy I can make me synonymous. . .

Ditter: From what you write white surface. Since no white space was filmed. And the camera man is unlike you already fully booked until the end of 2010, as you appear in the absence of orders have too much time here to share your Gesülze.

Still nice day
Your meawk



Antwort von Zizi:

Since I myself have been the jewel sets I have guessed that the image quality especially in the most extreme low light of the speed of the lens depends!
1.4 to 2.0 provide little noise and beautiful video images!
to 3.0, they are synonymous still good .. everything behind it is hardly useful and is more like Nikon D90 or 200 ¬ s.einer HD Cam!
Heir I once was clicked together for easy setup:
http://www.zizis-blog.com/upload/index.php?page=Attachment&attachmentID=18&h=00eb8ee14457a5c6cefde4ef4bab3c1668a27302



Antwort von domain:

Somehow I do not understand why Canon is not a principle much higher light sensitivity and freedom from noise than conventional camcorder has and has to rely on such a bright Lenses. Finally, the individual pixels with 6.4 micrometer lateral length to area according to my calculations about 13 times as large as in conventional sensors, with about 1.75 mümeter.
As would actually have a very nice room available to be synonymous not quite as bright Lenses.



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote:
... 1.4 to 2.0 to 3.0 provide little noise ... they are synonymous still good .. everything behind it is hardly useful ...

Interestingly, only has one (; Aperture) anything with the other (; Noise) to do. The latter depends on the sensitivity of (; = ISO), then that would be interesting to know with what ISO setting your videos have been created.



Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:
Interestingly, only has one (; Aperture) anything with the other (; Noise) to do. The latter depends on the sensitivity of (; = ISO), then that would be interesting to know with what ISO setting your videos have been created.

The larger the aperture the less time I would say ISO .. ISO 3200 at the 28-200
and the 1.4er I do not know as precisely .. underestimated the time since the second half was enough! Since you can not set itself I have not taken it! With the XH A1, it was +12 db gain.
How can we compare actually gain with ISO?



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote:
... The larger the aperture the less time I would say ISO .. ISO 3200 at the 28-200 and the 1.4er I do not know it so well .. underestimated the time since the second half was enough! ...

If you like the Aperture s.beiden optics had openly, should the ISO value at 1.4 has even more clearly located underneath: A doubling or halving of ISO so each one aperture stop.

"Zizi" wrote:
... How can we compare actually gain with ISO? ...

In principle, it is the same under a different name: 3dB gain more correspond to a doubling of the ISO.



Antwort von meawk:

"Zizi" wrote:
Quote:
Interestingly, only has one (; Aperture) anything with the other (; Noise) to do. The latter depends on the sensitivity of (; = ISO), then that would be interesting to know with what ISO setting your videos have been created.

The larger the aperture the less time I would say ISO .. ISO 3200 at the 28-200
and the 1.4er I do not know as precisely .. underestimated the time since the second half was enough!


Jo - brilliant. . .




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