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16:9 bei der Sony HC17

16:9 in SonyHC17



Frage von ThpX:
Dezember 2005

Hello.

I want to buy a camcorder and have very s.der interest SonyHC17. Today, I have looked at the expert, because I wanted to see what she looks like in appearance. By the Technical she is really Top!

But then the guy said the expert, that the SonyHC17 while displaying on the screen, the 16:9 format, ie the black bars at the top and bottom, but not on the television or PC.

Is that true?
Recordings are not the black bars? No 16:9 format?
Then say yes Sonywas wrong. They say that the camcorder's 16:9 format.

I hope someone can help me = /

Thank you.

Greeting
ThpX



Antwort von MiXMaster:

Has done himself.

Would still like to know, however. Although I now buy HC19E ^ ^



Antwort von molch:

Hi,
So this should actually leave,
even quite sure.
I think the Plugs from mediamarkt had zero clue.








Antwort von Fan29:

So, with camcorders, there are indeed two types of 16:9!
-When the one above and below are just see this beam. On a 4:3 television we see this beam, on a 16:9 television will be cut off these.
The Picture-upwards at the other "stretched", we see the 4:3 picture on a television synonymous (unless the Television) has a format shift, on a 16:9 television, the picture is again entstreckt ".
Learn more about this here:
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Basics/ DV production-in-16-9.html



Antwort von MiXMaster:

Was not Media Markt ^ ^

Well. The camcorder does this without any of the bars.

But I've decided well before the HC19 camcorder.
Of course, can with those black bars at the top and bottom add ;-)



Antwort von grovel:

"Fan29" wrote:
So, with camcorders, there are indeed two types of 16:9!


This will unfortunately always claimed, but is actually false, for there are three!

1) The very inexpensive and easy to set up a bar down on it, that you should never use, because it can be synonymous or optional in the post (to cover during the shooting display accordingly)

2) The normal, advanced Hobbycams cut top and bottom part of the picture away and stretch the image vertically rest. This is the so-called false 16:9. For actually having exactly the same information as in Case 1, but the camera about the Manufacturer flutters have more information and to interpolate. Although large scale, to use this version is NOT better than 1, but worse, better film in the normal mode cover, and decide later.

3) The really good, mostly very expensive cameras have a sensor in 16:9 format, the recorded picture is horizontally compressed, thus is synonymous both horizontally and vertically, all the information there (though still, of course, the sensor horizontally and 720 strips not the 1024 of the sensor) maps. Only with these cameras should be synonymous filmed in 16:9 format.

Clarify Without that, I would contend that the only SonyHC17 of 16:9 is the wrong case 2. In this case, the information was accurate and much better than is normally used in Saturn / Media Markt & Co is replaced, there one that is normally sold synonymous case 2 as "great movie format (though this is again quite different ....)

SeeYa grovel



Antwort von Jan:

Hello you,

But that was well explained, now I give to my views than Saturn seller mustard.

The HC 19 is a HC 17 with remote control and docking station, nothing else.

The SonyHC 17 has 41 ° angle at 4:3 and at 16 / 9 mode, so a typical "Kundenverarsche.

The extended s.HC Wide Anglegibt's only 39 (so she has one synonymous 16 / 9 LCD - HC 17,19,22,32 none)

But to reels 16 / 9 is still not, because no 16 / 9 o. CCD CMOS is available - as has been well described.

But does even with cameras like the "half" HDV Camera JVC GR-PD 1, a 1 / 3 "16 / 9 CCD is synonymous not talking about the HDV format using dense matrix algebra, although they come very close.

LG
January



Antwort von 500ml:

"Jan" wrote:
Hello you,

The HC 19 is a HC 17 with remote control and docking station, nothing else.



this is not correct. I have the HC19E. Since no docking station is on! The camera software is slightly different. for example, has been held 640X to 800X Digi.Zoom the HC17. Moreover halt ne good as above described remote control, I recommend the HC19, but not at Saturn, there is the time that is equal to ¬ 50 more expensive.
So much to Saturn .. :)



Antwort von tongi:

I have the HC90 bought some time ago ... everywhere because it was said that it would be true 16:9 ...

what's wrong now??

The HC90 has real 16:9? `? I would not know whether or not synonymous, the canon xl2 true 16:9 ... (please please help only factual)



Antwort von Jan:

"500ml" wrote:
"Jan" wrote:
Hello you,

The HC 19 is a HC 17 with remote control and docking station, nothing else.



this is not correct. I have the HC19E. Since no docking station is on! The camera software is slightly different. for example, has been held 640X to 800X Digi.Zoom the HC17. Moreover halt ne good as above described remote control, I recommend the HC19, but not at Saturn, there is the time that is equal to ¬ 50 more expensive.
So much to Saturn .. :)


Ok good, I had the HC 19 and had never seen VideoaktivDigital (A journal)
familiar, there was literally the HC 19, a HC is 17 with remote control and docking station issue, I can name you want.

Absolute nonsense, like a 640x 800x or 1000x digital zoom, I did not mention (800x DigiZoom Have you ever stopped and admired the Picture?)

The original software with the "99 video tracks, native HDV and Batchcapturing" synonymous takes so almost no one, because even a free Sceenalyzer the extent of that proposal by miles. And please do not dub the film of the HC 17 and HC 19 with USB - because you knew that already determined in advance, strangely enough, the good 2-3 people ask me every day

And for the factual Tongi,

The HC 90 can no reels 16 / 9 have because it has a 4 / 3 CCD.
She spoke a few degrees wide, from a real 16 / 9 is therefore still not conclusive. I know it's not just since grovel thread of your question has already answered it.
Included Battery FA 50 - biggest FA 70 with Battery 1220 mAh
HST 1 microphone, 1 and HGZ HQP 1st
Wide-Angle Lens: VCL-0630X
VCL - HA 06
VCL - SW 04
VCL - HG0730X
So for that I've used 1 minute without looking anywhere on the internet!

And please do not continually make these amateur questions "USB" and then all the dubbing of a member's thread for some small errors do then browse to the down or to insult!

Top Users Mark also did not know which is the horizontal Resolutionnicht always the same! Only times as an example .....

Or professional video and moderator of the forum's. Com to the question of the right microphones for the HC 90 and PC 1000 - Answer me is just the HQP 1 is known!

So much for factual Saturn



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

I thought the HC42 already has a 16:9 CCD and therefore probably synonymous, the HC90 is not it?



Antwort von tongi:

yes you damn ahrg, here all tell you something else ...

Now, the HC90 has a 16:9 ccd chip oda net? (jan: that was factual? facts should serve to swell synonymous) can

important would be for me if the 16:9 of the HC90 is the same as the 16:9 of the canon xl2 ... And if you intercutting the bildmateriallien the 2 cameras / mixed (may canon xm2 has indeed anscheind no "eches" 16:9 or?)

ACCURATE PROPER 16:9 it will probably only with hdv (due to the 4:3 standard pal) ... is already clear to me ...
but would like to know whether the two cameras, the "real" are 16:9, as it is described here as often ...








Antwort von Jan:

No. grovel has perfectly described above.

The HC 39,42,90 eg PC 1000 and have a normal CCD but a 16 / 9 LCD (Screen)

I do not know exactly what is being done there (I'm not synonymous omniscient), assume that something is stretched.

Only the JVC GR PD 1 for example, a 16 / 9 CCD, the JVC is synonymous of every description.

If nothing Sonysteht of 16 / 9 only with the Super Had CCD Technology (Has nothing to help). I know of no Mag synonymous to the foregoing models, a 16 / 9 CCD has credited (VAD, video films, video etc.)

LG
January



Antwort von MiXMaster:

mhh joa danke erstmal ... synonymous had never heard of, which has a "16:9 ccd chip" ... ABA is synonymous, I think probably (I hope) for this "true" 16:9 is not necessary ...

can someone please give me information about my question with the HC90 and the above water xl2 ...
Here again I ask:
Quote:

"" Now, the HC90 has a 16:9 ccd chip oda net? Jan (: that was factual? Facts should serve to swell synonymous) can

important would be for me if the 16:9 of the HC90 is the same as the 16:9 of the canon xl2 ... And if you intercutting the bildmateriallien the 2 cameras / mixed (may canon xm2 has indeed anscheind no "eches" 16:9 or?)

ACCURATE PROPER 16:9 it will probably only with hdv (due to the 4:3 standard pal) ... is already clear to me ...
but would like to know whether the two cameras, the "real" are 16:9, as it is described here as often ... ""




Antwort von Jan:

Hello you,

with the new SonyHC 96 stehts yes, even in the technical data:

SonyHC 96

4:3-mode, 2048 / 16:9-mode, 2057, which means there are only 9000 pixels more Resolutionbei the new top model (with VX 2100).

9000 pixels to over 2 million? One difference, it is already, but at 9000 pixels over a significantly better picture or real 16 / 9?

A real HDV eg SonyHC 1 takes a good 4 times s.Resolutionmehr on net so as to 2 million pixels in the 1080x1440 format (Who knows the exact figures can be synonymous to call, I've only written about it)

Well now we only have 2 of the XL rausbekommen ....

LG
January



Antwort von Jan:

Because I would like to quickly synonymous!

Canon XL 2

If you are therefore net 140,000 more pixels but also a very good resolution gain.

Can we talk of real 16 / 9?
I was asleep myself, despite the dissolution of XL 2's profit grovel's opinion on.

LG
January



Antwort von AndyZZ:

Times forget about the whole pixel Rechnerei not that the recorded DV-picture is always one pixeling Resolutionvon 720x576. No more, no less. Whether 4:3 or 16:9. That's according to Adam Riese 414,720 pixels. And not one more!
Of course, a larger chip with a larger number is already pixeling generally better because the light sensitivity is usually better and the camera to Runterrechnen to DV tape format has more information available.

Greeting

Andy



Antwort von Jan:

Hello,

that's probably true to almost all cameras.
The JVC GR PD 1 is not an HDV camera takes but with considerably more Resolutionin the different recording formats on (probably because of the pure has 16 / 9 CCD - the almost any other camera in the price range) and needed a MPEG 2 compression. The resolutions are in the manual - Wolfgang had written resolutions of all times synonymous PD 1 last.

The question is s.wenn it's real 16 / 9? How definert exactly? For me, only pure s.den HDV cameras.

LG
January



Antwort von Jan:

Hello you,

in an earlier journal, I found there still was:

"Most Konsumercamcorder working with a technical trick to generate a 16 / 9 Picture. Similar to the number of Fotoapperate to curtail the negative in landscape mode just above and below," give away "these valuable chip camcorder resolution that at 16 to come / 9: you're only using about 75% of the possible resolution.

Actually, one would think that the spread in the DV format constant data rate (25Mbit / s) on a smaller area, leading to more detailed images. the opposite is the case in the 4 / 3 Picture ingested, the editor in the editing system later laminated top and bottom, looks better than a 16 / 9 mode recorded. The reason: The so-called Quantisierungsquadrate each have a fixed data rate, which can be redistributed.

Anyone who turns in 4 / 3 and the video later on 16 / 9 should be concealed, the viewfinder or the LCD screen highlight to control already during the recording the intended format. This is a semi-transparent ND (neutral density) film which is attached on the LCD screen or viewfinder.

The technical background: The Picture Pal has a Resolutionvon 768 columns by 576 lines (4:3). Digital Video lösst horizontally to slightly lower (720x576).
The above procedure yields a reduced pixel ratio of 720x432.Profikameras with native 16 / 9 mode (eg JVC GR PD 1) is broader Chip's serve in the Signal Processing reduces the electronics back on the 920x576 Pal level. In both cases, the picture is compressed horizontally recorded and equalized only when you play either with bars at the top and bottom (letterbox) or in full screen size (16 / 9 widescreen or 16 / 9 Television.

All professional nonlinear editing systems can realize these equalization in real time. On playback, the editors, however, requires a 16 / 9 compatible video monitor, or he has to convert the pre-cut film to 4:3 with letterbox.

LG
January



















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