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Frage von Einsteigerin:


Hello,

I plan to buy the SonySR11. I want the first raw clips filmed on the computer to an external hard drive save until I time (and a calculator) to edit that.
Now I have the following questions:
1) The clips I will be in FullHD (AVCHD 1920x1080) begin to provide the best quality. Can I really do without the clips in the original data is lost to the external hard drive store? With MiniDV tapes, I know that all I really have information on tape ... Is this synonymous with clips so that I begin with the SR11 and then to the external hard drive move?
2) If I use the data in a few years, do, do I have to reckon that the AVCHD format and its processing software may no longer exist? (I know that there are only projections which can be ...) If I use the clips in addition synonymous in another format, to ensure that the clips I still synonymous in 20 years can look at?
3) Another question (not the archive files on the original): If I delete individual clips are - as I have read - the transitions "not pretty". Do I have the clips with AVCmerge together or are there to ensure a smooth playback easier (or cheaper) way?

Thanks for the help in advance,
Petra

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Antwort von B.DeKid:

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Yes the files are then 1 to 1 on the plate. Of course in AVHCD format.

No AVCHD is still synonymous in years AVCHD to you will therefore synonymous in years yet to find tools.

If you take the cards Low Level Format ierst `should the card be really clean. Since there should be no give Probs.

Whether an (external) hard drive holds 20 years but I am glad if they keep 20 weeks ;-) But yes people should give the Indians their plates Jones moderately packed buried in the garden, so that posterity synonymous them what will be.

MfG
B. DeKid

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Antwort von domain:

For your third question:
AVC-Merge is my knowledge that has been created for many different files related to a larger, because several editing programs with hundreds of separate clips, not a good deal with them.
It depends, but of the conception of the NL-editor from. There are synonymous such that even with hundreds of separate files, not even the loading of the timeline view her performance problems.
That individual files deleted the transitions are no longer so "pretty" are, I can hardly imagine, because several players in the playlist with their titles, usually directly behind each other and without substantial Ruckler can be played, but this is actually a completely different theme and has the editing program with little to do.

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Antwort von wolfgang:

Of course, the original files of the hard drive of Camcordres or the chip on the disk copy of the PC - sometimes for editing.

If you want to archive the files, you should but on several boards to make - because plates can enter into. DVDs are sadly synonymous rather inappropriate, because after a few years but can show disturbances. So I would use the native AVCHD material rüberspielen.

The processing should be synonymous in some years, no issue, cutting programs should synonymous know later.

AVCMerge is a specialty, the user develops elcutty and meeting place in the video released. In fact, as Helmut says - this tool merged AVCHD files, because some editing programs are easier to do fewer (but larger) files to manage. About EDL lists is then again a scene segregation. But good editing programs with several hundred AVCHD clips around, and stays at the loading ramp of the project in a few minutes, then there is nothing to equal with the Einzeldatein to work - in Vegas goes around quite synonymous with the 200 or 300 Einzeldatein.

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Antwort von Meggs:

"Einsteigerin" wrote:
2) If I use the data in a few years, do, do I have to reckon that the AVCHD format and its processing software may no longer exist?


This is synonymous of you. I sometimes still use old DOS programs from 1990. To buy, there are obviously no more, but I have yet to stop. On Windows XP or Vista to run no longer synonymous, but of a DOS boot floppy already. So currently used software, including operating system storing.

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Antwort von weitwinkel:

"Megger" wrote: So currently used software, including operating system storing.

hmm, is because Windows 95 nor on the latest computers?
gruß cj

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Antwort von wolfgang:

True, we are seeing already that in some cases, Programs ncht more next be developed. And who knows, from today's perspective, what with today's Programs sowas will happen and with what not? And therefore, what program sometime in the future will disappear?

The way is therefore more likely to be that I am the original archive material - some several times on different plates to me against data loss protection, and that I'll assume that it is synonymous in the future there will be an application that can handle the material ( which is probably likely to be).

I might even consider whether I cut the project, including original archive materials - or perhaps just a ready-cut issue. Mag sum synonymous in a matter of taste, or depend on the material I've already processed.

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Antwort von Meggs:

"weitwinkel" wrote:
hmm, is because Windows 95 nor on the latest computers?
gruß cj


I would be surprised if not. The processors are backward compatible to the former 8088th My current Calculator boots wonderfully of PC-Dos 5th Most programs are running Windows 3.1 to XP synonymous, Programs from the time of Win95 synonymous.
With Vista is the first time, not so sure on backward compatibility, I will XP for storing software before the Vista era.

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Antwort von wolfgang:

Just how many years you are still running XP Calculator? The next 2, 3 or 5 years? No matter how long it is - at some point is the same as today veralet DOS 3.1, the Commodore 64 or any of the old Amigas.

Better, it cuts the material, or just the highlights of footage.

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Antwort von Meggs:

"wolfgang" wrote:
Better, it cuts the material, or just the highlights of footage.


It is already clear, I do both. The concern of the questioner was whether, if necessary, the material in a few years can edit.
After today, with current software still MPEG1 of 1991 can edit, and AVCHD is an open file format, as synonymous, I have not such a big concern.
After today, but on PC's without even a 20-year-old DOS applications, including the then runs, you can still synonymous files contained in a proprietary file format was created, which today is more aware of None, unless you have the old program and the old DOS on a disk is readable today.

"wolfgang" wrote: Today, DOS 3.1, the Commodore 64 or any of the old Amigas.

DOS 3.1 I have is 10 minutes on my calculator installed and operational.
In the case of a C64 or Amiga is that without the old hardware is not so simple.

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Antwort von jazzy_d:

Starting tomorrow morning before everything was filmed immediately and irrevocably no longer be editable. Can anything away.

No. Seriously.

But you have to remember what it herausläuft. As of today, nothing happens overnight. And when a new trend emerges and slowly coming to market, I still have one hundred years of time it.

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Antwort von Einsteigerin:

Thanks for the quick replies. Thus, I am reassured when I use the data to the external hard drive (or 2 hard disks) on games. In terms of archiving, I see from the statements of no reason to MiniDV tapes to the hard drive seems to have no disadvantage (at least when I use the material on a backup hard drive also safe). So I was confirmed that the SR11 as the election is in order and there is no mini-DV device should be.

Many greetings,
Petra

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Antwort von domain:

One thing would be maybe even to consider whether the non-synonymous GZ-HD40
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/JVC-Everio-GZ-HD40-Camcorders-Review-35331.htm would be interesting for you.
It is characterized as the SR11 to 120 GB hard drive, albeit optional, not only in AVCHD, but synonymous in Full HD mpeg2 and synonymous in 1440-he HDV. This material could you probably already with your "old" PC and in the future, of course, synonymous with each other computer and easily edit editing program, with the quality mpeg2 Full HD Camcorder Info lt even better than that of full-JVC recorded AVCHD be

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Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Can you synonymous something to say about the file size.
I would be interested as how large a file in 60min AVCHD or FHD is Mgeg2.

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Antwort von domain:

AVCHD, I have not yet tested but in mpeg2 FHD in Liquid average of 28 Mbs with variable bitrate displayed. That means it will be about 8 hours on the hard drive, but also and additionally can store synonymous nor Flash memory mikroSD be converted, and then only in AVCHD

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Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

And how big is your hard drive?
Here is perhaps synonymous nor someone who has tested both formats, I would be burning because I am really interested in before buying a new cam is.

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Antwort von domain:

The next is already up. It is a 120 GB hard drive in the camcorder.
The interesting s.der GZ-HD40 is not the Werbesogen: "JVC goes AVCHD" but just the opposite: JVC remains provisionally AVCHD in addition to or in mpeg2.
The camcorder itself is not particularly exciting, but not synonymous evil than the entire consumer class in this price region.

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Antwort von wolfgang:

If this is true, then I wonder just why JVC does not at all exclusively with HD mpeg2 remains? Who forced to JVC, now synonymous in AVCHD aufzuspringen? Fallen but only more cost license developer s.die AVCHD to ...

But well, I think it's still a device, where the user has the freedom to choose.

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Antwort von domain:

This may be a text excerpt from the product of VASSTs AVCHD to Mpeg2 converter:

"Make those painful AVC files faster, easier, or even just plain possible with AVCHD UpShift."

Clever move of JVC, they jump on the train on, of which we know that he is in the right direction will lead, but synonymous, a much easier choice to editable format.
The AVC-track of the railroad have just begun to be relocated but the powerful engine is already under steam ......

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Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

I look not quite with AVCHD and MPEG2HD. AVCHD is MPEG4 or normal? When I look at the CX11 and the SR12 for Sonyanschaue it is on the SonyPage both MPEG2HD. On the Page Slashcam but when SonyCX11 just MPEG4. Can I perhaps someone explain synonymous with Wikipedia, I have been to write and when the transfer AVCHD in MPEG2 is changed. I look it is really not what the Cam for the format exactly. And which is better I would be interested synonymous, I Schwanke exactly between the two Sony models out and her and am undecided. The HDD in the SR12 makes me care again because there is a part of the construction can go broke.

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Antwort von domain:

A brief Internet search revealed:
AVC content can be standardized through various transport protocols (zBeg, ITU-T, H22X, MPEG-2 TS, IETF RTP) to be transported, is in the data is very flexible, but that is an entirely different topic than the used compression method itself
I fall at the moment only two cameras, the full-HD recording in mpeg2, which is the EX1 / 3 and also the GZ-HD40 in the consumer area, otherwise there AVCHD in general and at the Samsung NV24HD even the non-proprietary H.264 variant used.

Hard disks in the camcorder are obviously not ideal, because back in the game mechanics. They are therefore synonymous only as an interim solution.
But anyway we are living permanently with only temporary solutions if and AVCHD times in the course come true, then there will be new camcorder, which so far look pretty old to be.
So a camera is no longer Langzeitinvestion, so every two years are freaks want to purchase something new and as long as holds a hard drive under normal circumstances can also synonymous and all sorts of other camcorders are synonymous defective

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