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Angel thee external Sound - Boss Micro BR



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Mai 2007

Angel thee external Sound - Boss Micro BR of rudi - 15 May 2007 11:23:00
> The secret of good video sound is actually easier than many think: You only try with the Micro s.die desired sound source as close as possible ranzukommen. Easier said than done when the camcorder only has an internal Micro ...




Antwort von david2:

Last week I had the Micro Track 24/96 of M-Audio (part of AVID) increased. Is ok (except the built-in Battery) - symm. Inputs, phantom power ect. Let's see upcoming WE mach 'I got my first rotation with micro Angel.



Antwort von RainerE:

So I would say her official recorder. and who has no money to can still take Minidiscplayer ... as you can at least label the discs and derplayer with all costs (and probably another 10 cassettes) gradma 20Euronen





Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Anonymous" wrote:
.. I would tell her official recorder.

What do you mean?

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von toffi211:

I think maybe I need me for 200 ¬ without any recorder XLR or buy? dan rather 300, 400 or synonymous only 30 ¬! Minidiscplayer runs with no budget in my opinion top. Otherwise Edirol or Marantz würd ich mal so spontaneously say. Even though I'm not tonler



Antwort von DaWerWohl:

Sersn,
had recently purchased the Zoom H4 and with a DSR-PD150 and a HVR-Z1E (In DVCam mode) of the Picture.
As expected, the two ran Kams not sync after some time apart a little, but what the ZOOM H4 has done was just under all sow. Despite setting 16 bit/48 kHz (with the same Resolutionwie Kams) I had 5 minutes after several seconds Asynchronität. The video footage was on AVID Media Composer via MOJO SDI and DSR-1500AP with SDI Board as MXF DV 25 420 and captured the audio material imported correctly. Just for info s.alle wannabe Steven Spielberg's of this world, so it is clear that I know what I'm synonymous red ...
Will the sound rather than radio link back directly into the Kams play, which is also a good lender synonymous much cheaper than this plastic waste and a small radio who wants to buy, something there is already synonymous ¬ s.480 (Bodypack Transmitter + Bodypack Receiver + Microphone + for Aufstecksender Microphone), or used on ebay for little owls.

In this sense ...

Hu Huuuuuuuuuuuu

PS: Have a test track synonymous with a KonsumerKam made ... even worse result ... ZOOM H4 went back s.Absender ...



Antwort von Rainer:

Good to know.
Zoom H4 had been envisaged and it wanted me to buy the next few weeks. Are there experiences with Asynchronität between DV Camera and BOSS?



Antwort von Leini:

"DaWerWohl" wrote:
Sersn,
had recently purchased the Zoom H4 and with a DSR-PD150 and a HVR-Z1E (In DVCam mode) of the Picture.
but what the ZOOM H4 has done was just under all sow.


I can confirm. The same problem I had synonymous.

got my Zoom H4 and now sold my Marantz 660 fetched.

A 30 minutes DV cassette with Picture and Sound Marantz filled and the parallel run.

Score after 30 minutes - Picture of Camera and sound of the Marantz are absolutely synchronously.

mfg

Leini



Antwort von pepono61:

Had the same problem and have the H4 returned.

Has anyone experience with the H2 - runs synchronously?



Antwort von videorot:

Since a few days I have also H2. Have not yet tested.
I work with the Canon XL1 and recordings with the intention of the H2 and then to make the soundtrack in the video synchronously to assemble.
I am also interested in whether someone with experience with the H2 has.

I'm curious about the answers.

Gruß Kurt



Antwort von MrSesame:

Unfortunately, the H2 is synonymous not synchronously.
I just got a lot a lot of time spent, the sound of the video to be synchronized.

If the value around which the recording-time ge-stretcht be, once found, you can but still have all shots to run (for me a time-stretch of approximately 99.9885%).

Regards
Paul



Antwort von Thorsten G.:

How does this actually come Asyncronität ... where there is the technical problem? Will the data saved is too slow or why is it a temporal displacement?
Has there until today when the said equipment was improved, or if the problem still?

Gruß,
Thorsten



Antwort von hoerspielwerkstatt:

So I assume,
that every digital device for recording and playback has its own clock.
These "clocking-devices" is run fairly equal, but not exactly the same. Some expire after 15 minutes only a few frames away from the other device, others are already providing audible and visible departure from 3-4 minutes.
Synchronization is something entirely different.
This requires usually a "Synchronizer", a time-code and output devices, a time-code can receive.
The Synchronizer provides equal Schrittempo for recording and playback.
The connection of only two devices can be set up to look synonymous, a device that the time code output and the other receives it and in this way synchronization with the device 1 is achieved.
I know this method from the field of audio, video, this could in particular have a little more complicated, but in principle it should still be the same.
For audio it always only "audio to audio, ie identical content, in video and audio are surely other aspects.
Therefore, I chose a video-Beginners always the common sound and video with the camcorder - whether via internal micro, external micro-directional s.Camcorders, Microphone s.Kabel, Lavaliermikro s.Kabel or via a radio link.



Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:

Well that's interesting and depressing that ext. modern recorder is not running synchronously! We have in the video club recently purchased a zoom H4 reliable so we have good clay and then the images - sometimes of several cameras - it can set.
So far, we have plenty of multi-camera recordings, theater, music events, weddings in church, where the cameras go through. If we have the videos in the timeline is synchronized, then were up to 3 cameras s.Ende the 1-hour clip is still on the frame synchronously! The cameras were colorful types, but always of SONY (TRV 900, 2000, 2100, PD150, even the new HD cameras in DV-FX7 quality mixed with PD150). Just as a tip.
Asynchronous greetings of Walter Gesierich



Antwort von Thorsten G.:

"Dr. Walter Gesierich" wrote:
Well that's interesting and depressing that ext. modern recorder is not running synchronously! We have in the video club recently purchased a zoom H4 reliable so we have good clay and then the images - sometimes of several cameras - it can set.
So far, we have plenty of multi-camera recordings, theater, music events, weddings in church, where the cameras go through. If we have the videos in the timeline is synchronized, then were up to 3 cameras s.Ende the 1-hour clip is still on the frame synchronously! The cameras were colorful types, but always of SONY (TRV 900, 2000, 2100, PD150, even the new HD cameras in DV-FX7 quality mixed with PD150). Just as a tip.
Asynchronous greetings of Walter Gesierich


Can I therefore conclude that here, none of these problems occurred, not synonymous with the Zoom H4? If the device because of a Time ZOOM synonymous with code on?



Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:

"Thorsten G." wrote:

Can I therefore conclude that here, none of these problems occurred, not synonymous with the Zoom H4? If the device because of a Time ZOOM synonymous with code on?

No, unfortunately not. We have ZOOM H4 just as on the desktop, tried, not yet in actual use had.
What with my comment I wanted to say is that Sony cameras have always run synchronously are (with others we have not had multiple camera stuff done). At the beginning - a few years ago - I was extremely perplexed that the absolute synchronicity of the cameras on 1 full length cassette, just 1 hour, continues. Meanwhile, I have become accustomed, and have assumed that because some quartz clock in the camera sits over a full hour on 1/25-tel second can be. Power my wristwatch synonymous.
Now I am even more amazed that precisely such an ultra-modern recorder part no quartz clock to have. Details of the next up - a quarter of an hour after a few seconds difference - there is an hourglass in it ...
So yes, you can not succeed if every few minutes, the synchronicity nachkorrigieren must.
In any case, this is an occasion for me, our new ZOOM H4 recorder times one hours next to a camera to run and then the sharp synchronicity, just before we start because it Theaterton.
Grüßle of Walter



Antwort von Thorsten G.:

The result would be times flaming me interested ...:-)

Thanks and regards,
Thorsten



Antwort von shipoffools:

"DaWerWohl" wrote:
Sersn,
had recently purchased the Zoom H4 and with a DSR-PD150 and a HVR-Z1E (; in DVCam mode) of the Picture.
As expected, the two ran Kams not sync after some time apart a little, but what the ZOOM H4 has done was just under all sow. Despite setting 16 bit/48 kHz (; same resolution as the Kams) I had 5 minutes after several seconds Asynchronität. ...


This experience, I can not share.
I have the Zoom H4 with the Canon HV30 tested. Test ran about 15 minutes. The Zoom H4 is minimal ran faster. After 15 minutes of task is almost exactly 1.75 Picture Frames sound offset, which is just equivalent to 0.0077% and that with any audio editing program or better NLE can easily correct.
Possibly, the high zoom Asynchronität other recorders so slow due to the SD card agreement.
I'm using a Kingston 4GB SDHC card class 4th Class 6 would be the optimum. Possibly. synonymous firmware plays a role. I have the latest version 2.30 drauf withdrawn.
Setting 48kHz, 24 bit.

Greeting
shipoffools



Antwort von hoerspielwerkstatt:

So I have my assessment of the characteristics of synchronous digital devices but revise.
Even if it is in my view remains true is that at each other, regardless of current devices in the strict technical sense there is no synchronization, but I must note that the synchronization properties of digital devices seem to be very high.

I did a comparison test between my SonyVX 1000 E and I about 10 years ago for mobile audio recordings purchased SonyMD Walkman MZ-R30 made.

The test ran about 35 minutes.
Camcorder and Walkman was launched. A film flap began the test early signal.
After 35 minutes, the second film as a flip Testendsignal.

Since the SonyMZ-R30 MD is digitally recorded, but unfortunately do not have digital-out has, I have the recording on the analog output of the MZ-R30 has a RME recording card in CubaseSX recorded (Wave-File, 48kHzSampling, 16 bit) and then into Adobe PP 2.0 is imported.

My surprise was enormous:
After 35 minutes, the video track of the imported VX1000E and MZ-R30 Recording frame exactly on top of each other.
Even the analog off from the MZ-R30 and the new digital conversion by the card at the recording is transferred to CubaseSX had not affected the accuracy.
Amazing, amazing ...



Antwort von Videofactory:

I can do this for my cam and the Md recorder (see signature) to confirm.

Have a test about 160 minutes to complete (mono recording, so double length, not because Kompriemirung).

I have also s.Anfang and s.Ende, and after 60 and 120 minutes after a film damper beaten. The sound was then with Audacity in 48kH and 16-bit transfer (also via line in, so analogue).

All in Premiere and loaded on top of each other.

All four control points were s.der frame exactly the correct position.

Apparently, the MD recorder is better than new flash-recorder (and it took me a good piece just 15 ¬, including 12 MDs tasted).

Gruß, Alex.




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