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Approval by sounds recordings



Frage von Theofilm:
Februar 2009

Hello,

clearly the spin you need depending on the site a spin permission if it is commercially made. eg railway station, railways, department stores, etc.

How do these things because in approval when you take a camera with a small inconspicuous sound recording on the recorder is that the noise for a production record?

(I have no recordings of any interviews of individuals but general atmosphere, eg in the train station, train, supermarket, etc.)

regards
Theo



Antwort von domain:

You're probably a typically German (= obrigkeitsunterwürfig and super correct).
Kannst ja prior to free advice in the Bezirkshauptmannschaft or local court or a lawyer to go there and show your device in detail describe your concerns. The murder will be a joy with you and you have good advice.



Antwort von Theofilm:

Yes, that would be synonymous certainly a reason to smile. ;-)

No. I did those recordings have never been with any inquiries.

I'm interested in just how it looks legal, but if times some overzealous security noticed it and should ask questions.








Antwort von domain:

There is no over-Secure services and when someone asks, you just stop it, some mp3 files with Headphones to enjoy. So some of them should be based on the device already exist.



Antwort von Theofilm:

You have experience with this?
If so, with what you take on the recorder?



Antwort von tillbaer:

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Antwort von DWUA:

For too loud jarring braking trains you need
s.Hartmut contact.
(Hartmut Mehdorn).

:))



Antwort von Theofilm:

I can see everything pretty well. So there should be synonymous None "to the tie underfoot 'feel when you record.

On the topic of the station or airport synonymous, of course, I wonder how it looks with the announcements by the speaker, if the background in the general atmosphere with it are. And then you have to hire again have to distinguish between the announcements of these new computer voices on many stations. And the announcements by the staff.

That would actually violate any rights, even though I often shoot in the synonymous and radio plays in the background heard.
Undzwar no announcements nachgesprochenen but true.

Regards
Theo



Antwort von Pianist:

"tillbaer" wrote:
With great Micro, Tonangel and Fellwindschutz I would obviously not a place s.so appear. One might usefully think you wanted to jemaden interview.

I've often with basket windshields at stations, stereo Atmos incorporated. Occasionally people come security and ask what there is. I say truthfully that I am the sound recording, because I need for a film, and then drag them next. In the house rules of the railway is only talk of that commercial Still image, movie and television recordings permit. Recordings are therefore permitted.

Matthias



Antwort von tillbaer:

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Antwort von Pianist:

"tillbaer" wrote:
Naturally, the recording of announcements without the knowledge and acquiescence of the announcements as forbidden as if he / she is directly in front of your Micro.

Source of law?

Matthias



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Antwort von Pianist:

"tillbaer" wrote:
§ 201 StGB "breach of the confidentiality of the word"

I was already aware that you come with 201. It is a railway station announcement is really the epitome of a publicly spoken word. The clause in question is not relevant. It remains to be clarified whether the dissemination of the announcement (the recording itself is first and not be banned, it is published so synonymous already) a personal right of the announcements is violated. And since you probably would in normal circumstances to the conclusion that when a station announcement of the contents of the announcement is in the foreground and the announcements of personality far resigns.

Whether something ever highest judicial ausgefochten was, I did not.

Matthias



Antwort von tillbaer:

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Antwort von Pianist:

Can you tell me why you just ausrasten here? Everyone was nice to you, nobody has done what you like.

Matthias



Antwort von Theofilm:

I believe and hope None here wants what the other bad. There are always different opinions which you may like to discuss.
It would be a shame if anyone felt personally attacked.



Antwort von domain:

"Film Theo" wrote:
You have experience with this?
If so, with what you take on the recorder?


In my case, the Edirol R1 is synonymous but the ZOOM H4 or H2 is supposedly good for such purposes. With Knopfohrhörern in the ear recalls the recording rather s.das interception of mp3 songs (which is synonymous), would not know who does what on the other hand, should have.
Would never ever come up with the idea, as anyone to ask for permission.
Incidentally, you can at lower claims with camcorders themselves naturally synonymous only noise capture. Hang you hold the camera with lens cover closed to casual and take only the sound on.
Also, I'll see who is there at the station angerannt came to me to shoot my brother just arrived to prohibit.
There are indeed some trousers seem ... Bavarian contributions to which one can only smile.



Antwort von Pianist:

"domain" wrote:
In my case, the Edirol R1 is synonymous but the ZOOM H4 or H2 is supposedly good for such purposes. With Knopfohrhörern in the ear recalls capturing more of the interception of mp3 songs (which is synonymous), would not know who does what on the other hand, should have.

There's even a microphone system, which is taken as earphones and artificial head-like results. For stereo Atmos could be quite funny. The name I have forgotten.

Because here Tontechnik asked: I use for stereo Atmos two Neumann KM 83 (ie balls) in a Rycote basket windshields with stereo mount. That I go into my SQN-2S and thence to the recording of a Tascam HD-P2 (on Flash card), formerly it was a DAP-1 (DAT).

For something I could theoretically synonymous my Sennheiser MKH 418S set, which is practically a MKH 416 with additional eight, ie for MS stereo, especially since I SQN in an MS matrix, but the eight rushes me a little too strong. Moreover, I find that two balls almost made even more beautiful Atmos.

Matthias



Antwort von domain:

The earwig of trunk like this is an excellent Micro, that you are directly in the ears is, looks just like the button earphones from our youths. What do we need more deception and disguise?



Antwort von Pianist:

"domain" wrote:
The earwig of trunk like this is an excellent Micro, that you are directly in the ears is, looks just like the button earphones from our youths. What do we need more deception and disguise?

Yes, exactly the thing I said. Although I already believe that "with an open visor" should fight, so rather a large basket windshields in the hand as a disguised Microphone s.Kopf.

Matthias








Antwort von domain:

There are apparently a North Südgefälle laws in terms of disrespect. I'm Südösterreich and this property is against Sicily towards becoming :-))



Antwort von Theofilm:

I myself have now with the SonyPCM D50 purchased.
Very good sound, synonymous with the built-Micros.

The "earwig" is good for me personally but dull. The OMC 2 are linear and clear from the sound. However, both head Micros Systems Art and later to actually hear only suitable for Headphones.
By Boxing's funny because the ball then a Grenzflächenabschall (me is the exact term is not a) has the ears.

Neumann KM 83 are without doubt top class. (because my built-come synonymous Mics from PCM D50 not with. One Mic is already twice as expensive as the entire device.

MKH MKH 418S and 416 are indicative Micros.
The Atmos for I would only in very specific cases were initiated.
Kidney or ball but there are better suited for.



Antwort von Pianist:

We must evaluate the reading, however s.dieser body betrayed times that we are alone with the sound through an investment talk, which is a multiple of which is what most here for their video output.

Matthias



Antwort von domain:

Yes in this case is quite clear that one synonymous at the station wants to heart what you have :-)
As an bloody not flex amateur audiophile I hold the sound post with a graphic equalizer to cope and use at the time of recording mostly a compressor.
The intrinsic sonic subtleties a microphone are pretty cold to me, therefore, seems important for amateur purposes tend to be that useful, well above the noise and that is good height are available. Bass can still raise well afterwards, but actually no more heights without the noise becomes unbearable.



Antwort von Theofilm:

Certainly there are differences between amateur and professional. For professionals, the devices are of course more expensive. The Tonequipment is in fact a lot more expensive than some amateur camera.
This is synonymous but because the people who make it all professionally, after no great time, in the post-production, the technical imperfections ironed out equipment.

And I do not want to do bad device. The Zoom H2 or H4 compact devices are great, but for several reasons rather than for the broadcast area. ('ve tested myself)
This is such a Tascam HD-P2 is synonymous five times more expensive. And again Neumänner cost much exactly apiece.

I'm quite happy if I at the sound recordings with my Sony device is relatively small hardly noticeable. That, I feel very comfortable.
If we rotate (shoulder camera, SQN, wind cart, etc) If you are so constantly addressed. Most probably do not understand that they are working and not from boredom around.

Grüeß Teho



Antwort von Theofilm:

What struck me so synonymous again interested in whether a single sound at all protected.
I have read in the networks, the noise in Europe could not be protected.
http://www.fnl.ch/LOBs/LOs_Public/Urheberrecht.html
under the item: "What Europe is not protected by law?"

In UrhG I read about it but found nothing.

If so, should you so noise of sample CD ever used commercially, which is based on such CD often excluded.



Antwort von Theofilm:

So now I know an official of the web press.

Pure noise images / sounds are Atmos authorization and in commercial cases, with costs.



Antwort von AndyZZ:

"Film Theo" wrote:
So now I know an official of the web press.

Pure noise images / sounds are Atmos authorization and in commercial cases, with costs.


Well, the scent business!
If it is with the IPO and the unions not work, then you can try elsewhere to finance.



Antwort von Theofilm:

I find it an impertinence. Especially if it is like here for small productions involved.

Naja abroad railway companies are not all like that.
And who should control where the later was.









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