Frage von RocknRoyal:
(Was too lazy to rewrite, so I have the text from another forum where I asked the same question was copied)
Hi,
I would like for me, but a degree of risk and now have the budget increased to ¬ 15,000, but the major change is that now I already have a calculator and bought the 15,000 ¬ completely into the camera + accessories tiles can.
What is my purpose?
I would like to see a second leg up - Event Videos! For Weddings etc
Which calculator I now?
Preliminary - my "first" Mac! A MacPro 2.8 - 10GB RAM - 1.25 terabytes of disk space - 30 Inch Cinema HD Display - Final Cut Pro 2 - Bose Soundsystem Companion 5 ... small things are yet added, but the fun has me already cost over 7000 ¬, but synonymous him if I only have one days, it makes unheimlisch fun.
What I would like for my money?
Camera (plus accessories such as 35mm adapter ....)
Light
Sound
Crane (?)
Dolly (?)
Steadicam
Tripod
.......
A really fun equipment to make a very good camera (for my favorite moment of Panasonic HVX200) A Equigment the synonymous really a high standard.
The videos will later be a "film look" receive synonymous when events such as weddings etc are ... This is yet known including the HVX200, right? Is it therefore a CameraLink synonymous sense to import in order to 24p?
I would like to buy within the next 2 weeks.
Thus,
what makes sense? Please do not argue that I did not bring the necessary experience, because I can teach synonymous directly s.entsprechend high Equigment ;-)
Concerns should be the clubs most often 'poor' lighting conditions will provide (church halls, etc. ..)
I think for ¬ 15,000 - without a calculator - but it is certainly realize what decent, right?
Gruss
Alexander.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude, see this thread at times
Looks great beginner `` shoulder camera MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von DennisP.:
Hello,
The HVX200 is really a good camera, but in my opinion is the EX-1 of Sony really better ;-) And synonymous in connection with your good cut Square (Final Cut Pro) XDCAM EX is the solution really to recommend.
Since I'm always a bit of time can I have your times so my suggestion list, but only the corresponding products + price. Justifications for each component would be too auwändig ;-)
Camera (for MPEC):
SonyPMW-EX1 5.149 ¬
Manfrotto SET: 503HDV, 525PKIT 714 ¬
Bebob ZOE-EX 249 ¬
Bebob LUX-LED-DV for Sony PMW-EX1 695 ¬
4x SonyBP-U60 743.24 ¬
4x SonySBP-16 2.900 ¬
SonySBAC-US10 287 ¬
How about this then you can still WW-intent for about 600, corresponding filter, vllt. a synonymous Mattebox (Chrosziel, Vocas oda similar) and of course entsprechnede suitcases, bags for the Camera / accessories.
For lighting, I would simply light your suitcase with 3x 800Watt recommend.
Like this one: Cosmo Light KIT-C 2-C Cosmobeam 800W 1.359 ¬
Maybe even an area to light, and accessories such as reflectors, screens, etc.
But for more precise recommendations I can give only if your applications vllt. speziallisieren would. So you be my test it only goes in the direction of event recordings.
Even the sound nciht I can say much without knowing exactly what you did before.
For wedding videos, it's not highly recommended value is indicative Tonangel with micro to be used (especially since you think I alone have to film?) Here would vllt. A camera mount for Micro Camera s.der empfehlenswert (micrograms of high-quality stereo Sennheiser vllt. MKH418 this?) Then of course, with appropriate accessories such as windshields, etc. I could but synonymous a Sterokombination 2x Monoikros imagine. Vllt. 2x MKH40 with windshields, etc. I would then be on a microphone stand mount nciht on the Camera.
But otherwise synonymous much must be in a completely new equipment. For example, accessories such as cases, cables, etc.
Antwort von -ssSonyY-:
because of the targeted low-light conditions, brings you a little 35mm adapter, because of some swallows s.Licht!
24p will help you safely at a certain "film look" (but do not expect too much!)
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Moin,
the reference to the "Large Shoulder Camera" thread I do not quite fair. There was already a very idiosyncratic approach.
Previously, I have always synonymous on the shoot-flower-end Hasselblad Precious Amateurs annoyed, now I find that it was them gegönnt! Today I am pleased every Hobbyist, a Nikon D3, etc. to buy because the prices lower.
Who has the financial freedom, 15,000 euros for a basic equipment to buy is in a beautiful situation - except that he must earn money in the medium term or the loan rates / lease rates to operate.
What you get for a middling wedding video?
600 euros? Since then stuck 12 hours of work involved, estimated. 50 euros per hour, ¬ 30 of which should be a reward (to 18 ¬ of which remain). There have been many weddings occur, if you do not have all kinds of event videos and small firms can take representations to the 15,000 euros yourself.
And in a market (the wedding video), in which a lot of hobbyists with good-enough equipment and the tax model "Neighborhood assistance" are, or where well-trained professionals to design the advertising market.
The possibility to invest, whether you like gegönnt (I would have gladly ;-) synonymous, but the medium term by revenue, I would like something not fund it. Good luck!
Krischan!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... What you get for a middling wedding video? ... 600 euro? Since then stuck 12 hours of work involved, estimated ... For the beginning it is probably in this price range have to offer, but I hope that he soon from the Cheap wegkommt area. BTW: Twelve hours did you usually have at the wedding itself on the road. If we then cut with, you will land soon at 40 and working more hours per wedding video. As would be the hourly wage of 600 euros for the video already under 50 euros ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Twelve hours ... you're usually already on the wedding itself on the road. If we then cut with, you will land soon at 40 and working more hours per wedding video. As would be the hourly wage of 600 euros for the video already under 50 euros ...
Gruß Bernd E. Oops, there should be quite an clever wedding video 1600 .- to 2,000 euros if it was not an intern for the cut, or the whole of the department of "socialist self-exploitation" should land.
This price range is likely the target but slightly smaller.
I look at the site of a U.S. wedding photographers view, the 15,000 Dollor for a complete wedding calls. The book with the photos again costs $ 1,000 extra. Admirable, such a sale of talent.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Moin,
the reference to the "Large Shoulder Camera" thread I do not quite fair. ........ I have only these links, because in the aforementioned thread synonymous suggestions regarding equipment to be.
And because I believe that when operating in this sector wants to earn money, one must take into account certain aspects.
Just because you have a Mac, you have not won at the same time synonymous.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von KrischanDO:
...
Just because you have a Mac, you have not won at the same time synonymous.
MfG
B. DeKid Hehe, no religious debates! :-))
Regards,
Christian
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Hi,
Thank you for the numerous thread s.meinem participation!
Well,
it is always dangerous to talk about money, because if it has, you run the risk of quickly "arrogance" are made to get the other part is "envy" is known that the German form of recognition.
So I am therefore in the fortunate position that I take this private investment will not file for bankruptcy must still synonymous and reserves in the budget would have - no question, I could synonymous ¬ 40,000 to invest, but somewhere you should already own some limits ... .. Therefore, I would go ¬ 15,000 as a temporary limit has, if it ultimately ¬ 18,000 or ¬ 20,000 should be, but it is still acceptable!
I am certainly aware of the situation that correspondingly high Equigment still no good result or movie here and "experience" of the A and O is ... but I would not be considered synonymous and designate lernresistent hops and malt are not yet lost.
I never want to say "I have a Mac and have won" is such a free spirit - I have my MacPro a correspondingly high growth, because I think it makes sense for the future use and therefore a means to an end (if synonymous a very nice expensive resources)
S.den first post Thanks for the great list, something I would go in my thread synonymous wished to say: What would be your best Equigment in this price segment view, with examples.
Sound is such a thing .... perhaps there has been some good equipment, you might as pastor at the front can be placed so that the speech and the "Yes I will (hopefully) good and clear to hear ...
How it looks with Kamerakran, dolly and Steadicam - is to realize something like this in this price class up to ¬ 15,000? So in addition to camera, sound, light, etc ...
and the "35mm adapter" is the distance of event recordings, I thought - for little shorts, which I realize might incidentally.
I must not be so rich (though I'm the last one on the other hand, would be * g *) and I have not synonymous invested within a day "X" again reingeholt have and it was not for this loan etc, but the fulfillment of a dream.
Gruss
Alexander
EDIT: Can someone in the room Karlsruhe / Stuttgart truly prof. and well-stocked stores for camcorder + accessories (dolly, crane, steadicam ....)
Where I use the top-times in the hand can take, etc. .. and advise top bin ....
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Jo Sorry ;-)
Should not that come over, because of jealousy or religious war.
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The 15 000 should first of what the above Camera compilation is concerned.
Tripods for Sound / Lighting, Dolly, Crane, Steady, and lots of minutiae
from tape to a broom ....
Hard to say but 5 000 upwards so you can spend as fast.
35 mm adapter that is a chapter for itself - there can be money very well spent. High End are here for example. P + S Technik with Nikkor, Schneider Kreuznach and Zeiss lenses.
Bzgl. Source (s)
Imagine a list together, do s.Hand of the list here to advise us.
Leave it in D Dealers different country.
Where you'll get the fairest offer, you buy.
I would make a short trip to Purchase, in order to inspect the equipment and in commercial testing. As a rule, so you really synonymous expenditure "personally serviced".
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MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von KrischanDO:
@ Alexander:
Congratulations! I am honest to you and wish you much fun and success with the equipment!
Regards
Christian
Antwort von DennisP.:
Then I top my list of something.
For Sound:
A Richmikroset:
(All Tonkrams I would always order from Thomann, never in a store or buy it)
1x Sennheiser MKH416-P48U3 ¬ 1.111
1x Sennheiser MZS20-1 279 ¬
1x Sennheiser MZW60-1 259 ¬
1x Sennheiser MZQ100 29 ¬
1x Sennheiser MZH60-1 169 ¬
1x Quick Pole Ambient QP 4140 415 ¬ (for MPEC)
1x XLR Cable
1x case for Richtmikroset
Here you now have a mono-Micro s.der Angel, for short films, etc. is inconceivable. You need vllt. only one assistant, if you want the camera control. But not only for short scripts work so synonymous with weddings when the bride and groom leave the church, etc. you need such a set. In general you should always use this set if you use this set s.häufigesten. Whenever at the wedding ceremony jmd a speech, or something is taking place outdoors, where you have to move etc.
If you only synonymous short times with the camera are on the Micro, you can simply mount the camera clamp.
Then would I give you 2 more mono microphone recommend that you either stereo combo so used to the atmosphere if you odr incorporated into the church when Pastor Micro stand when a bride and groom and the topping into micro audiences.
So Stereoset I can recommend you the following:
Either 2x AKG C1000S for 287 ¬ or the Rode NT5 set for 288 ¬
These accessories come as Mikrofonstaive, stereo track, cable, etc.
Of course, it's even better with 2x MKH40 for 2700 ¬ or 2x Neumann KM148 for 1099 ¬
I think this already exaggerated!
The last point I would recommend an audio recorder.
Because sometimes you have to hire yes 3 mics simultaneously searched. Furthermore, so many churches to pastor and bride and groom have microphones, you then simply back with a recorder in a separate recording room can (ask first!) Synonymous But for short films where you just Tonangel uses a recorder empfehlenswert, the Tonmann completely separated from the videographer and the quality is synonymous is much better than at the Camera.
Here I recommend you one of Edirol R-4, R-44 or R-4 Pro
One could of course much more to purchase.
How Ansteckmikros for the bride and groom, a large membrane-Micro, if the "studio" at home to say something nachsynchronisiert be. Or a simple Shure SM58 for any voice recordings, interviews, etc.
But always think s.genügend XLR cables, churches are grooooß!
Again for Camera:
I would recommend you a Steadycam: Smooth Shooter 4000 per kit for 1.800 ¬ and a Steadycam really worth it, in any situation where you otherwise would use hand-held camera, you would then use the Steadycam.
Crane or dolly's are probably less useful because they provide really nice pictures, but under 3000 ¬ you will get no ordinary crane or a reasonable Dolly, here it starts with products such as the system of Sachtler DV CamCrane or ABC Products Traveler (cranes), first venünftige Dolly's start then with more than 3.600 ¬, so for example, ABC Products Willi Go.
Antwort von friscokid06:
So whether you are with the HVX 24p or 25p or pn film, which ultimately comes out on the same and not really change anything s.Picture.
If you achieve a certain look like you should think about the source of the White balance and make you a little with color correction ausseinandersetzen. Magic Bullet Looks is only recommended.
I have my HVX (Pal) in the United States purchased and thus a sum of money saved.
Antwort von dvcut:
On the websites of the manufacturer, there are dealers lists. In the region south / middle, there are several dealers with shops. Obviously you can synonymous his camcorder on the internet or buy in the U.S.. And at the current exchange rate development synonymous importing is always uninteresting. Also often missing CE, WEEE and the warranty.
www.sonybiz.net
www.panasonic-broadcast.de
Antwort von mov:
Thomann for audio, I can only recommend it!
You should consider, possibly a small second camera zuzulegen (if not yet available), which is very good at weddings and other events stationary can be used for other angles to get. Qualitatively very good is the Canon HV30.
Antwort von strike300xxx:
Nur mal so, but: Bose speakers are designed for professional audio editing unusable.
Für nen cut square, the Genelec 1029, Standard.
Get prefer NEN few otherwise sensible monitor speakers Acoustically tapst you in the dark.
best greetings
