Frage von arianne:
Hi All,
I have been with the SonyHDR HDV filmed, but can not be synonymous to say that I had enough time to familiarize myself properly in the device. Anyway, it is now so that the camera does not belong to me and I think about its own acquisition.
After I asked around me as intensively as possible, stand for me in price and quality 2 devices to the debate: the best of HDV Sonyoder the Canon xm2. The second is indeed a Dreichip, which has a positive effect on the colors, if I understood correctly.
What would you do s.meiner place? How good / bad qualities of the two because no matter how the Comparison?
The question is, I think, quite special ... but perhaps even one or the other has an opinion about this. 'd Be happy anyway!
Regards,
A.
Antwort von gianca:
Hello arianne,
I personally would take di xm2. The HDV cams all suffer more s.den "Kinderkrankeiten" and are not yet mature. Of course, the ones you had close s.der xm2, but I've been television cameramen (RBB, etc.) that use the Canon XM2.
It's your decision,
LG
Lilia
Antwort von gianca:
Hi,
The HDV cams all suffer more s.den "Kinderkrankeiten" and are not mature That you can not actually say so flat:
http://www.fxsupport.de/hc1/index.html
Gruss
ph
Antwort von gianca:
... and shows little knowledge of the materia.
Antwort von molch:
I would rather say, a matter of size.
if you want to shoot 4:3 brings the advantages xm2 course, they then take it.
if you 16:9 movies, has xm2 no chance.
Antwort von Nightfly!:
Hello arianne!
So beautiful images HDV may be synonymous, there are at least two problems with HD / HDV.
1. There are probably soon be no
standard medium and then it will be very expensive in the long run.
2. HDV tape devices often have errors (dropped frames) that can only with expensive high-quality tapes should be avoided. This in turn is synonymous expensive.
My opinion:
HD and HDV devices are not yet fully matured and standardized enough to admit of this short time, a device anschafft. Then, if the same way that you are sure that Camera, Screen and further recording and editing equipment to work, and convey the quality synonymous. Sonnst makes no sense.
So a Grossanschaffung!
Greeting
Nightfly
Antwort von Jan:
Well, the question is a bit badly worded, since most of the HDV 's are 3 Chipper.
SonyHC 1 / HC 3 vs. 3 CCD DV might be better.
The budget so synonymous plays a large role in HDV. A good "cheap" semi-rounder would be the XM 2 already apart of the drive problems "remotely the ..." - Which I had fortunately never or slightly worse low-light quality to Dauerrivalin VX 2100th
LG
January
Antwort von arianne:
Thanks for the answers! Yes, the question was ambiguous, basically it was me, yes especially around these two models: SonyHdv Hdr H1 and Canon XM2, because anything more beyond my budget.
We want basically a low-budget film shoot, and I think that for the Canon is probably better because there is more manual changeable. Or have I misunderstood it?
Thanks again!
Antwort von Chrisch_0207:
Day! I am exactly the same moment before the decision. Synonymous wants me to buy a new cam, mainly films currently on vacation, I would rather like to continue to develop. Therefore, the new action.
Since I am a student of the Budhet is synonymous with only briefly, so the 2 above Camcorders also be considered.
I would love to shoot at 16:9, was mentioned that since the XM2 is not so good or Sonyzurückbleibt behind. What is the reason, or what the Sonywas the Canon does not have?
Furthermore, is just my idea, which would bring it to me at all eigtl with HDV film to ... The XM2 is probably as far as I have been in the test rausgelesen the ne better behaved performanceund Color Lowloght better, more manual controls ... correct?
Sure, the focus is naturally not quite as extreme as in HDV, but the format so I really need to look again nen HDV Television and synonymous in my case a new Pc, etc., etc. .. is thus synonymous very costly. Bring the pros s.der Resolution / sharpness so much more?
'm Glad about your responses and assessments, greetings!
Antwort von usul:
So in true 16:9 which now makes no sense to use the XM2 to.
Even if you currently only standard PAL Resolutionnutzt, you rejoice in 5 years when your shots of today HD Resolutionhaben.
Anyone who has seen an HDV recording in Comparison to an excellently mastered DVD is probably safe to grab HDV.
A 4:3 DV Camera features 16:9 images with about 430 usable lines on (the rest goes to the black bars on it), an HDV has 1080 usable lines. What kind of a difference in terms dei Resolutionmacht, can you imagine certain.
The handling of a 100-1500 euro HDV camera but of course will be worse than the one XM2 - at least if you do not do anything with the automatic.
Antwort von Chrisch_0207:
Just the opportunity to make easy manual adjustment to irritate me just s.der MX2.
With the 16:9 I will give you nat. Right, which I see a full, then yes synonymous not compete at all ...
Still, I'm still really torn up and ... Sonyschlechteres lowlight, however, HDV, 16:9, Canon, however more manual controls, but no 16:9 HDV and no ... really hard decision .... most promising would be determined, the Sony ...
Antwort von usul:
Sonyschlechteres Lowlight Always amazes me, how many people apparently filmed in the dark.
Antwort von Chrisch_0207:
Sorry, one more supplies:
In Slashcam test for SonyCam indeed superior to the DV mode as follows:
"DV mode?
In real DV mode sets the camera however, not all top s.The Einchipper, but what's the use? It even makes virtually no sense to use this mode at all. If you film HDVHDV explained in the glossary, the camera, the signal still herunterkonvertieren on-the-fly. So if you still want to cut it into DV, which is still possible and program for editing the images seem as though they came of a DV mixers. And the down converted signal looks like this really top-notch. Of course you can use synonymous to downscale the computer itself, but there's a problem: Compared with an analog output signal is s.der Camera is not filtered. At high frequencies, the signal tends therefore easily as Mori. This is synonymous to the reason why many of my tester, the analog signal conversion through the camera look better than scaling s.Calculator. With the right software, a digital conversion should be better in every case. However, we will look at greater detail in other times with this problem ...
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Thus, since as I said mnein budget is very limited, it is enough to me in any case for a new cam + new + new Pc Television anschaun HDV to be able to .....
So when I though movies in HDV, but I can on the Cam, the signal processing so that runterkonvertieren my Pc, which the hardware requirements for the processing of HDV has not, unfortunately, the material that I've understood correctly?
The picture quality but then again, as in normal DV material, as I lie right?
Antwort von usul:
So when I though movies in HDV, but I can on the Cam, the signal processing so that runterkonvertieren my Pc, which the hardware requirements for the processing of HDV has not, unfortunately, the material that I've understood correctly?
The picture quality but then again, as in normal DV material, as I lie right? That is correct.
Antwort von allgaeulady:
Sonyschlechteres Lowlight
Always amazes me, how many people apparently filmed in the dark. Yes I stopped filme synonymous eg often in clubs, because it really is "almost dark" ;-)
Antwort von Chrisch_0207:
@ usul: ok, thank you!
Antwort von usul:
Yes I stopped filme synonymous eg often in clubs, because it really is "almost dark" ;-) Ok, for this application, then you should really be first on the low-light watch-ability. For a noisy HD picture is not synonymous better than a good PAL picture.
Antwort von HeikoS:
A 4:3 DV Camera features 16:9 images with about 430 usable lines on (the rest goes to the black bars on it), an HDV has 1080 usable lines. What kind of a difference in terms dei Resolutionmacht, can you imagine certain.
* * These are theoretical values. A consumer HDV will achieve maximum allowed by the standard Resolutionniemals.
The difference is not so crass as one might think.
Antwort von Chrisch_0207:
Exactly so .... The only question now is just what brings me more ... maybe a little worse for better lowlight Picture and without 16:9 .... but yes, I currently basically the HD format I personally use is not yet anyway .... aah, that's so complicated :-)
Can someone tell me how the picture quality of Sonyim runterkonvertierten format to the Biuldqualität is the Canon? : - /
Gibts synonymous another 3chip camcorder is comparable with the MX2's and 16:9? That would be basically the best for me ...
Antwort von Gummi:
how it looks with a used Sony TRV900?
which should be used to conveniently have!
gruß cj
Antwort von Jan:
Sonyschlechteres Lowlight
Always amazes me, how many people apparently filmed in the dark.
Yes I stopped filme synonymous eg often in clubs, because it really is "almost dark" ;-) Yesterday I'm in a club synonymous (or better club) filmed, and the with the camera for such purpose PD 170 - and although I used a light. Even at high gain, the Sony Picture does not look reasonable, I can not always synonymous increase to 18 DB. When using a small head light - eg HVL 20 DW 2, synonymous only 20 watts when you get a completely different picture, and does not need a noisy with the gain hochpuschen Picture taking in Purchase.
Have I seen it on TV again today, Arena 2 league, which has the cameraman there) by 16 clock in the stadium (on or keep the Assi? A head light, professionals know what is needed for a good picture, although still quite good ambient light was there. Many of my customers want the consumer does not comprehend it.
The light (s) is (s) just like a tripod and a micro phone to the basic equipment of a good filmmaker.
@ Chrisch - the camera is the DM XM 2, MX 2 is a Panasonic.
The XM 2 is already have a good camera in the class, I filmed it synonymous with a couple of weeks, although I like many others, often synonymous Lowlightfilmer have jumped to Sony. I've heard the XM 2 can be purchased for about 1300 ¬, that would be something. The Dauerrivalin SonyVX 2100 - the Normalausstattung the PD 170 with which I s.and to movies, is No. 1 in the class, whether or not effective but for 700 ¬ more you bring what I can not decide.
VX 2100 has an extended 16 / 9 mode (anamorphic stretch -)
At Canon, but you have much to import models (watch the warranty), not only the Canon has a full year warranty (1 years warranty for it), Canon monitored for possible warranty synonymous brash right, the serial numbers if the camera does not Germany or Europe, at least Goods is, it may well be that you're involved must s.den costs.
When the model comes from our region, and is available for around 1300 ¬ - she is already a Kauftip.
VG
January
Antwort von Markus:
The light (s) is (s) just like a tripod and a micro phone to the basic equipment of a good filmmaker. Thou hast brought the very aptly to the point. ;-)
As everyone knows, is to develop a good filmmaker, a process that extends over many years and countless hours of botched shots. The shooting in a dark environment without extra light because this is certainly just as Windgepolter (because no fur used () or blurred images because no tripod used). So that's just ...
Antwort von Chrisch_0207:
Ok, great, thanks for the info and tips to Jan, the matter of Canon, I never knew synonymous bescheid not yet .... I will explain in more detail with the Sonysynonymous times, maybe I get the needed for a viable price for me ...
And exactly, XM2, which I thought synonymous ;-)
Antwort von eitlefilme:
Hello!
Since I am now is still a statement underneath:
Times a serious: Did you all 16:9 TVs? So I see no reason in any area on a different format than 4:3 to go.
HDV really make sense unless you recording to mini DV tapes?
In my opinion the only argument that speaks AGAINST the Canon: the drive. I make 2 XL1 and all drives and one MV30i crumble - despite costly repairs ...
It probably is very much on the application. But I observe that all who depend on TV's are still working very, very long with 4:3 televisions, DVD and I (my now the masses, not the experts) and s.PC broadcast over the Internet or otherwise is extremely well anyway runtergerechnet and da anyway everything is no preference ... - Achja: you're at the black stripes DOWN and UP have noticed that many download clips and create the unnecessary data volume ...
mfg daniel
Antwort von usul:
Times a serious: Did you all 16:9 TVs? So I see no reason in any area on a different format than 4:3 to go. Yes
HDV really make sense unless you recording to mini DV tapes? Is certainly not the best technique, but you can become so synonymous to DVD or hard disk recordings (AVCHD).
The storage media and dei Resolutionhaben synonymous but nothing to do with each other.
Antwort von Jan:
Oh well, there may be even more to see what Canon speaks like eg.
-eg, the over-exposed individuals with sharp contrasts - white shirt - Black Curtain Theater. To improve - with functional Spotlight
the high-marbled AF especially in low light - is not a problem because it is better anyway focusiert manual
- The marbled white balance in artificial light, artificial lighting is useless synonymous preset - manual WAG is often required in Sonygeht s.and to even WAG tungsten preset
- The remote and the tape drive problems mistakes
- Only 1 year warranty
The majority of the weaknesses are, but rather in the light sleep area.
Well, the XM 2 is quite ok, with the XL 1 but I had plenty of stress.
Therefore, the XM Angleund Wide Zoom has 2 more than the VX 2100th
No matter what you tell an HDV Picture s.einem Television provides at least the newer type (HDReady) very impressive, it is only needs to be very careful when moving the camera, then there already was for the con / prosumer.
VG
January
Antwort von kiteschlampe:
Do you have the future of Canon HV20 already taken into account with? I film with the HV10 and have sold now, because:
+ Brings the HV20 a micro-connector
+ Is more sensitive to light (with the HV10 in HDV mode is already quite good, in DV mode, she can forget)
+ HDMI interface
+ 25FPS Progressive
Show them to you once, it might be worth in the price.
Gruss Chris
Antwort von Jan:
Accessory shoe and not to forget.
VG
January
Antwort von pyjama:
Hello arianne!
So beautiful images HDV may be synonymous, there are at least two problems with HD / HDV.
1. There are probably soon be no standard medium and then it will be very expensive in the long run.
2. HDV tape devices often have errors (dropped frames) that can only with expensive high-quality tapes should be avoided. This in turn is synonymous expensive.
My opinion:
HD and HDV devices are not yet fully matured and standardized enough to admit of this short time, a device anschafft. Here is full vnur as experts of!
`sag mal du hast a general hdv? or about just what it read?
How many drop outs do you have so far?
has so I'm already in 35ten cheap dv-band of TDK with no drop out (of course every band synonymous, however, the errors in the digital area very well interpolated words can be read and ultimately correct)
clear is if a drop out s.1ten GOP building happens to you, it has greater impact than DV.
But since so many here are dropoutexperten, it will be here so can ask for drop outs in the practice. So s.The drop out HDV professionals.
time is a few of you filmed filmchen with the drop outs online.
so unfortunately I can not serve.
sincerely tom
Antwort von Jan:
SonyHDR FX 7 - about 25 - 60 tapes now, preferably Fuji DVC simple - yet not a single drop out!
PS: I just think to HDV, I would detect a drop out, without the extreme of being a professional ...
VG
January
Antwort von OsunSeyi:
servus jan,
mir gehts sony fx7 as well, no "visible" drop outs.
with bands "ottonormal.
I only went to hutschnur high given the "experts" here.
I am of the opinion if you are g `scheite tips then you should write synonymous of experiences and not by the uncle of his aunt.
because someone actually hinterfrägt HDV usefulness because it is normally recorded on DV tapes;-P
processed but it is not about the method of recording but rather with the data stream and how to deal / is.
Helical scan which I guess is almost 20 years old and is now really very mature. I tonstudio synonymous in the area about 600 datbänder. all know how data professionals: the best and safest method of secure archiving / general!
where it may very well come problems to / might: if you recorded tapes going at a different cam, possibly because the heads do not equal 100% are adjusted. just think how many synonymous cam run in such a shock going through her life, so then, and when a professional head adjustment should be in it once synonymous.
lg tom
