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Beyerdynamic MCE72 CAM Rauschen

Beyer Dynamic Noise MCE72 CAM



Frage von mbenner:
Dezember 2010

Hi,
first let me wish you all a Merry Christmas.
But now the same question about mine.
Recently, I am the owner of the above-mentioned microphone. I am very happy with the fact that up to this microphone with extremely quiet murmurs audible. Comparison to the standard microphone of the HDR fx1000, where you really hear rushing anything.
Is this normal or does anyone know why?

best regards
mbenner



Antwort von Pianist:

Which construction you have for the comparison? Do you have the Beyer s.den microphone connected to the Camera? It may be that an automatic modulation works, which pulls the signal in silence a long way. Of course, an MCE 72 more rushes than a modern microphones, but I do not think that in connection with amateur equipment really that much noticeable. This can also be synonymous, the noise of the microphone input of the camera.

By the way: it is not "standard microphone", but "standard microphone", so with d and wrote together.

Matthias



Antwort von mbenner:

Thanks for the comment, I usually read my posts always correct, this error is probably escaped me.

The microphone is connected via XLR / jack adapter s.die Camera.
What do you mean with "Which building do you have for the comparison?
Because of the ALC I am going to adjust something in the depths of the camera software, maybe I'll find something.








Antwort von Pianist:

"Mbenner" wrote:

What do you mean with "Which building do you have for the comparison?

Well, if you want to compare the noise performance of two microphones, then you must join this course s.nachfolgende devices that are beyond any doubt. Such devices are typically not in households of amateur video. I think, for example s.ein small SQN-mixer or a mic of ADT-Audio. With such devices, you can hear exactly how the microphones really behave. But even have to watch out to make sure that you do not, the noise of a downstream headphone amplifier assigns the Microphone.

A MCE 72 noise standard should stand at least not worse than any cheap camera microphone.

Matthias



Antwort von rush:

Moin,

I would rather tap synonymous to automatic level ....
You write so that it is rushing in quiet passages ... that sounds much then as the camera would of high self-regulate in order to take something ... just the typical behavior of an automatic.

Check the times and level if necessary, then manual from ... should be in quiet passages rushing synonymous nothing great and stay quiet ...



Antwort von mbenner:

"Reconstruction" I have used, is none other than the camera, my fx1000, I only own two different recordings made. The one with the internal microphone, the second with the un MCE72 connected as external Microphone.

In any case, I now try around a bit. The problem has been solved effectively by the audio level I have set to manual.

Thank you for your help and have a nice Christmas Day.



Antwort von masterseb:

I have this micro synonymous and it has a relatively low signal to noise ratio, but usually delivers impeccable quality. It could be s.der power supply (as the switch to the right when phantom powered or battery-operated) or just s.den consumption levels.



Antwort von shipoffools:

The MCE 72 (battery version) in my experience really has a relatively high noise floor, which strikes only in absolute silence.
Otherwise a pretty good micro for Atmos.
(Tested including the XLR inputs of the Mackie 1642 VLZ 3, with very good mic preamps. In the same constellation is to listen to, for example, the Sennheiser ME 66 is almost no noise.)



Antwort von Pianist:

Now tell me which itself once interested and I have had just a few microphones in hand, I have not touched in some cases for over ten years. My little Comparison indicates that:

The Beyerdynamic MCE 72 rushes slightly more than the Sennheiser ME 80 with K3U. However, I find the sound of the Beyers beautiful, the Sennheiser is a bit "sharper" and the "sounds emphasized. The same is true for the Sennheiser ME 66 with K6CL. It rustles slightly more than the Beyer and synonymous shows the slight over-emphasis on the sounds. One can say that the ME 80 ME 66 and the act exactly alike. Probably because a slight bend upwards into the base rate all because it is assumed that Shotgun always with a foam or a basket windscreen with fur are used and you want to compensate for the slight amount of waste it.

For Comparison, I then connected two Neumänner, and although an old U 87 and a current TLM 103 The TLM 103 is one of the currently most noise microphones in the world (together with Gefell M 930), and consequently there is virtually no noise floor exercise. The U 87 rushes the other hand, significantly more and more synonymous than the three previously considered electret condenser microphones. That is precisely why an old U 87 (no ai) is now practically no longer used in situations that require a total silence. But loud brass instruments can thus still be included.

Overall I can say that the noise performance of the Beyer or two Sennheiser in the practice of a videographer will make any problems because you will hardly turn in situations where it is so quiet that the noise enters the microphones in appearance. As subsequent units will be much more vulnerable.

I tested the way with a SQN and belongs to a Beyer DT 48

Matthias



Antwort von shipoffools:

"Pianist" wrote:
The ...
The Beyerdynamic MCE 72 rushes slightly more than the Sennheiser ME 80 with K3U. However, I find the sound of the Beyers beautiful, the Sennheiser is a bit "sharper" and the "sounds emphasized. The same is true for the Sennheiser ME 66 with K6CL. It rustles slightly more than the Beyer


Seriously, the ME66 with you more than the rushing MCE 72?
Then with my Beyer-Micro agree not know what. Since the noise is much higher than with Sennheiser, if synonymous still in a good area. And as far as I can remember was in some earlier tests in the I-net confirmed the relatively high noise floor at that time synonymous.
Strange ...

PS: At the cable's may be the way with me, since I have tested with 3 different.



Antwort von Pianist:

"Shipoffools" wrote:
Seriously, the ME66 with you more than the rushing MCE 72?

Crap, that was wrong. I wanted to write: Sennheiser Both behave exactly the same, the sound more pointed than the Beyer, but a little less noise. So the Beyer rushes a little more than the two Sennheiser.

But once again very clear: We speak because of Noise see below audible edge, so that will play in most situations does not matter at all.

Matthias



Antwort von shipoffools:

"Pianist" wrote:
... Shit, that was wrong ... So the Beyer rushes a little more than the two Sennheiser.

But once again very clear: We speak because of Noise see below audible edge, so that will play in most situations does not matter at all.

Matthias


Okay, I'm relieved. I had been wondering. Audible at the lower edge of the noise I would of MCE 72 but not classified, but it is still a very good micro. And so, in most situations is that the really small minus point is not significant.








Antwort von Pianist:

"Shipoffools" wrote:
Audible at the lower edge of the noise I would of MCE 72 but not classified, but it is still a very good micro.

Because you are you sure that you hear the noise of the microphone and not the noise of the microphone preamplifier or the headphone amplifier in the camera or any other subsequent device?

Matthias



Antwort von shipoffools:

"Pianist" wrote:
Because you are you sure that you hear the noise of the microphone and not the noise of the microphone preamplifier or the headphone amplifier in the camera or any other subsequent device?

Matthias


Yes, for sure, because with the same "equipment" is available in ME66 significantly lower noise floor, truly in the lower audible range. Even the NTG-1 has even lower noise than the Beyer Dynamic.



Antwort von Pianist:

"Shipoffools" wrote:
Yes, for sure, because with the same "equipment" is available in ME66 significantly lower noise floor, truly in the lower audible range. Even the NTG-1 has even lower noise than the Beyer Dynamic.

Well, so in my test before I have even found synonymous, but when "clearly" I would not describe the difference, but somehow less. But perhaps there is some scatter synonymous down and up, at least we are talking about a microphone class of the producers was placed in the middle segment.

Matthias



Antwort von shipoffools:

Maybe is the good piece, I own a "Monday-production" ... ;-)
But I will not complain, I am satisfied.




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