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Antwort von Valentino:
Cool thing the hyper deck synonymous if it looks rather as if it was designed for indoor use are the 300 ¬ times the real hammer.
Now ProRess and DNxHD as the recording format and the competition can pack up.
Antwort von ruessel:
hyper-deck shuttle uncompr Wow .... the bangs. But nowhere can I find the recorded data rate of 4:2:2. 50mbit, 100Mbit?
Antwort von JossJoss5000:
Wow .... the bangs. But nowhere can I find the recorded data rate of 4:2:2. 50mbit, 100Mbit? Well, uncompressed. depending on whether it's YUV or RGB, you move between 1 and 1.8 Gb / s. ..
Antwort von ruessel:
Well, uncompressed. depending on whether it's YUV or RGB, you move between 1 and 1.8 Gb / s. ..
Who is the process make sense? ....
Antwort von the_flasher:
with the time the work out. It's missing is a decent performance boost in our PCs.
Antwort von JossJoss5000:
Accomplishment does not much, it depends synonymous of the memory speed.
But you can convert the uncompressed material in an intermediate codec.
But Black Magic offers solutions to still ...
Antwort von Axel:
Well, uncompressed. depending on whether it's YUV or RGB, you move between 1 and 1.8 Gb / s. ..
Who is the process make sense? .... The question is, who needs it. There are two considerations:
First, that man with Uncompressed no compression artifacts to fear and the image where wavelet is to see 10-bit 4:4:4, for example, that in the movies, should immediately see a positive effect. The digitization is limited so the cost of producing a film on the copy theory for a USB stick (advertisement) or a hard drive ("feature").
Secondly, it would be to be seen to what extent do not benefit because of their Prosumergeräte optics alone is of the traditional compression, if not visible in uncompressed much more problems.
If these questions have been resolved, the question of the workability only one detail: When off-line editing with an intermediate (the original meaning of the intermediates was the small compression of analog film into a digital editable format). Or directly, with a Thunderbolt raid. The bottleneck is in fact not a slow processor with uncompressed, but still only the data throughput.
For exhibition and industrial films and hardly something that is interesting, that's clear.
Antwort von TiMovie:
444 but there is nothing!
Maybe I missed something, but on the Black Magic HP I can only see the information that this is an uncompressed 10 bit recorder is around
422, with 1.5 Gb / s HD.
Or I understand it with my lay knowledge wrong?
For a slightly longer day of shooting is needed since several SSDs.
But dad thing is hot - buy, buy!
Antwort von deti:
444 but there is nothing! 4:4:4's not so synonymous via single-link HD-SDI. With HDMI it would go, but if it is used by device, remains to be seen.
Deti
Antwort von ruessel:
444 but there is nothing! 4:4:4 works at all synonymous with only 1 SDI connection?
For exhibition and industrial films and hardly something that is interesting, that's clear. I see synonymous Sun But there are some (few) situations, because I no longer give my 35MBits. But the part would be good.
Do you have to press every time the Record button on the Hyper deck or does it auto synonymous to the time code as the Nano Flash?
Antwort von Axel:
I am only a layman synonymous. Your objection is certainly correct, but 10-bit 422 is clearly better than 8-bit 420th see to what extent is there a difference? As a digital projectionist I see differences (of prosumer HD to movie material, I mean, of course) without having to decide in every particular to what they are based. The EX3 of my buddies we had more of SDI on the big screen. Soon we will have an opportunity to an external 4:2:2 - to test recording. I'm curious to see how big the difference is here, respectively. if you ever see one.
Search in Forum: "haircut" and (recently), "Modern Times".
Antwort von JossJoss5000:
SDI should trigger the auto recorder, as far as I know.
The problem is less editing, it is already found a solution.
The problem is more the amount of data. A 512GB SSD is only a 5-7 minute recording time.
For the scenic work may go still, but you need at least 2 of them actually a pig and the cost of money at the moment.
That is probably rather what kind of movie productions and glossy advertising, etc., where a small recorder s.der Camera is always better than such a monster as the HDCAM SR recorder.
Who can afford a couple of SSDs as a quasi-replacement Filmagazin
Antwort von Frank B.:
The problem is more the amount of data. A 512GB SSD is only a 5-7 minute recording time.
Hm, can I expect not, or am I wrong in any other way?
I'm at 1.5 Gb / sec data rate and 512 GB capacity on a 45-minute running time.
Antwort von Bilderspiele:
The problem is more the amount of data. A 512GB SSD is only a 5-7 minute recording time.
Hm, can I expect not, or am I wrong in any other way?
I'm at 1.5 Gb / sec data rate and 512 GB capacity on a 45-minute running time. 1 Byte [b] = 8 bits [b] ;-)
Antwort von koji:
who says that this record is not simply part 422 with 100mbit? 1.5 gb? Probably a bit excessive. Because would not make any sense.
Antwort von Axel:
The neighbor's thread is still (apparently synonymous to the Black Magic-Page): FullHD @ 24p (k = 1.8) in 10-bit correspond to 445 GB per hour.
Antwort von Axel:
who says that this record is not simply part 422 with 100mbit? 1.5 gb? Probably a bit excessive. Because would not make any sense. 100Mbit is not much. They are typical Cineform / ProRes / DNxHD data rates. However, that would be practical in many ways. They are easily compressed and are virtually synonymous in movies as a distribution codec (JPEG2000). If you do not believe that loose in FullHD Uncompressed eats ten times, do the test time and Export as QT Uncompressed ...
Antwort von Frank B.:
Here it is:
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/hyperdeckshuttle/techspecs/
Antwort von Erik01:
1.5 GB / s is indeed the specification for HD SDI. But I do not think GB / s special Gbit / s, that would be a data rate of 192 MB / s results. The fits then synonymous with the SSD of her data rate.
Antwort von koji:
I think synonymous!
1.5 Gbit / s - I do that at all via HDMI?
Antwort von MK:
The unit's just meant for professional use when a 100% lossless format is needed - understand the Rumgeheule due to data rates, codec, and the price of SSDs in useful sizes for the unit, but is None compelled here to invest and (more expensive) alternatives There is also yes.
By the way, does the implementation of ProRes license fee = unit prices to increase, and Apple does not synonymous ran everyone. So who cares ... to the top price and I'll grab a (studio version).
Antwort von handiro:
If the part really ever exist (BM has announced other products that have never seen the market), I buy it!
Antwort von NEEL:
The unit's just meant for professional use when a 100% lossless format is needed - understand the Rumgeheule due to data rates, codec, and the price of SSDs in useful sizes for the unit, but is None compelled here to invest and (more expensive) alternatives There is also yes. 100% lossless needed here just no one really ... especially since the codec technology is next a lot. 100% Lossless means in real terms, just huge, zugespamte hard mountains! If I have 20 hard disks after a year of use in the cabinet more than normal, then I can buy for the price difference really like a decent recorder ...
By the way, does the implementation of ProRes license fee = unit prices to increase, and Apple does not synonymous ran everyone. . Then they should just - as Sound Devices is fooling - Install DNxHD ... as far as I know, DNxHD is free, because Avid wants the widest possible dissemination ...
Antwort von Frank Glencairn:
Well, uncompressed. depending on whether it's YUV or RGB, you move between 1 and 1.8 Gb / s. .. 525 NTSC uncompressed;
8 @ 720 x 486@29.97fps bit = 20 MB per / sec, or 70 GB per / hr.
10 @ 720 x 486@29.97fps bit = 27 MB per / sec, or 94 GB per / hr.
625 PAL uncompressed;
8 @ bit 720 x 576 @ 25fps = 20 MB per / sec, or 70 GB per / hr.
10 @ bit 720 x 576 @ 25fps = 26 MB per / sec, or 93 GB per / hr.
720p HDTV uncompressed;
8 @ 1280 720@59.94field bit = 105 MB per / sec, or 370 GB per / hr.
10 @ 1280 720@59.94field bit = 140 MB per / sec, or 494 GB per / hr.
1080i and 1080p HDTV uncompressed;
8 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 95 MB per / sec, or 334 GB per / hr.
10 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 127 MB per / sec, or 445 GB per / hr.
8 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 25fps = 99 MB per / sec, or 348 GB per / hr.
10 @ bit 1920 x 1080 @ 25fps = 132 MB per / sec, or 463 GB per / hr.
8 @ 1920 x 1080@29.97fps bit = 119 MB per / sec, or 417 GB per / hr.
10 @ 1920 x 1080@29.97fps bit = 158 MB per / sec, or 556 GB per / hr.
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Is no problem, I work for tens of years, only uncompressed.
The processor has to do hardly what, all you need is a simple software raid, which you can on the Windows Disk Management will be set up quickly. 2 plates a 2 TB each for 85 euros and ready.
The whole thing is incredibly fast and fluid in the timeline, even the final transcode to a codec is faster.
Do you have to press every time the Record button on the Hyper deck or does it auto synonymous to the time code as the Nano Flash? Probably go, but the signal is still on even before you press the Record button or s.der Camera?
who says that this record is not simply part 422 with 100mbit? 1.5 gb? Probably a bit excessive. Because would not make any sense. It says UNCOMPRESSED. That means 132 MB per / sec time, or 463 GB per / hr and this makes very good sense.
100% lossless needed here just no one really ... That you have already left me.
May well be that there is no preference with you if your material will be destroyed forever in large parts of the Resolutionund the image information in the recording. To me it is not no preference and I can clearly see differences.
Antwort von Alf_300:
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simple software raid, which you can on the Windows Disk Management set up easy. 2 plates a 2 TB each for 85 euros and ready.
For the DV may have even worked out yesterday and still manage 4TB?
Antwort von Frank Glencairn:
In Win7 64bit no problem.
Antwort von filmmaker001:
If the device can only record uncompressed, it will no longer interest many users. When considering a project with 150 to 200 hours footage, which are mountains of hard disks ... - Synonymous when you clearly see the difference (or perhaps measure only) is.
Antwort von Gerald:
In the Tech Specs on the Black Magic website is the hyper-deck shuttle 10 bit 4:2:2. Nevertheless, to the great price.
A question I have to do so. What happens when a camera spends only 8 bit? If the signal is still recorded and stored as a kind of simple 8-bit 10-bit? Has there who maybe have experience with other recorders?
Antwort von NEEL:
May well be that there is no preference with you if your material will be destroyed forever in large parts of the Resolutionund the image information in the recording. To me it is not no preference and I can clearly see differences. Uiuiui, that sounds dramatically ... unfortunately I've never noticed such a difference (and probably synonymous no cinema audience)!
If it were not so special with your special gift when you could bet that there ...;-)
Antwort von Alf_300:
@ GlenCaim
Gibts Win7 x64 since tens of years?
And with 2 bits plates containing up to 200 MB / s which corresponds to a frame rate of 37 frames / s for HDTV 1080 (10bit 4.2.2) or.
So says Black Magic.
Nice calculator will not help
Antwort von carstenkurz:
A question I have to do so. What happens when a camera spends only 8 bit? If the signal is still recorded and stored as a kind of simple 8-bit 10-bit? Has there who maybe have experience with other recorders? It depends on the recorder. If the working space, it becomes an 8 bit signal synonymous with really only store 8 bits per component. If it 'stupid' is and can no corresponding Bitshuffling to work with different word lengths, it is senseless store 10 bits.
I'm assuming that most of the recorder, it stores each synonymous as it arrives, the space savings will be because the main argument.
Who is unnecessarily records uncompressed own fault. I see hanging 'the shuttle already s.Canon VDSLRs ;-)
- Carsten
Antwort von Gerald:
Thanks for the quick response!
If anyone needs it's really a super cheap Kastl.
Antwort von carstenkurz:
Well, who 'took' the one who had no problem until now synonymous with record prices for recorders, Uncompressed. Even in high-end theater systems actually sets no value on any event in the recording. In the post work eh uncompressed.
The only ones who are pushing more and again in principle to any uncompressed high profile advertisers. Because it is synonymous think I like that it's more of a buzzword, with which one wants to impress the customer. In advertising you have no problem but synonymous with the amount of data, firstly because of the budget, and secondly because you can see, countless Takes or not, just basically worked only very short clips and noDokumentationen turns.
The 'problem' (if you want one for fulfilling prophecy) is now more likely that such a thing because of the low price of people will be purchased, just the good part of the NEM with the consequences will not cope. Because their laptop and desktop hard disks are too small and too slow, etc. pp.
'Now I've bought extra NEN Uncompressed recorder, because I want to get rid of the AVCHD Ruckelei, and now it is still jerky, and the plate is synonymous constantly full ".
Codecs are noKrücke, but a blessing.
- Carsten
Antwort von Frank Glencairn:
@ GlenCaim
Gibts Win7 x64 since tens of years?
And with 2 bits plates containing up to 200 MB / s which corresponds to a frame rate of 37 frames / s for HDTV 1080 (10bit 4.2.2) or.
So says Black Magic.
Nice calculator will not help 37 frames? LOL!
Before Win7 64? I just had a 2 TB, and na?
Most of the material, s.dem I work is only 8 bit uncompressed 24p or 25p, but it was enough synonymous earlier thick.
Most boards have s.Bord controller and who needs more power building containing an adult a Raid controller, where should be a problem?
Disk space does not interest me at the current prices.
A 2TB drive is already cheaper than a HDCamSR tape.
Antwort von Alf_300:
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NaUnd, then were just not so, what the hell ...
Good day in Munchausen Forum
Antwort von JossJoss5000:
The problem is more the amount of data. A 512GB SSD is only a 5-7 minute recording time.
Hm, can I expect not, or am I wrong in any other way?
I'm at 1.5 Gb / sec data rate and 512 GB capacity on a 45-minute running time.
1 Byte [b] = 8 bits [b] ;-) Ah, schulligung. That's what happens when you barely figures in his AJA App typing without realizing that the memory unit was on Gigabit ... Expect and so ... Well ... Embarrassing ...
But 45 minutes. then sounds more like it. Now I like this thing:))
Antwort von JossJoss5000:
But another question: would it be to an easier further processing makes sense to convert the raw material such as unkompromierte in ProRes and then cut?
Does anyone know what options there are for it (directly in Final Cut, on the Black Magic Software, etc.)?
How could such a workflow?
Antwort von Frank Glencairn:
You did not understand that. The shuttle is only for people who just want noCompression and no codec.
The encoding to ProRes or whatever is the opposite of "simple processing" but a complicated and time consuming.
The purpose of an uncompressed recording is there when I round the next step but Wieers compress.
The reasonable processing looks like that you uncompressed material in the timeline and reaping throw. When everything is ready, you do a Master and then once a compression (eg for BluRay).
If you want to work with ProRes, or the Samurai is a better Nija Werkzueg.
And yes, of course you can always converter uncompressed material in every conceivable format.
Frank
