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Von HDV über Schnitt und Digital Beta zur DVD (Optimierungsbedarf)

By editing HDV over and Digital Beta to DVD (optimization needs)



Frage von neo.arts:
März 2006

Hello!

I would be interested to know whether there are ways to optimize our production processes.

We produce cut 4-5 movies per month (á 90 min) with a SonyHDR-FX1. Shot in HDV is 16:9. For the finished product (DVD) is, however, requires only an anamorphic 16:9 signal.

So far, we proceed as follows:

1. Material will be rotated

2. We give off camera equipment including s.eine company, which this material to us einspielt.

3. We obtain a reduced data-copy, which cuts our then editor in Avid Liquid. The project with the crop marks will s.The end box office broadcast company and applied to the HDV material.

4. The finished cut HDV footage is to make it rezised tapes transferred to Digi-Betacam and s.den "DVD Master" retransmitted,

it then (5) converts into a DVD, add menus, etc., and ultimately makes the whole synonymous presses.

As far as the end ....

Now to my "problem":
We pay for each importing and playing off 500 ¬ / movie, so at least 2000 ¬ per month. In addition, the finished material produced in the detail view to the originals just looks blurred. Whether s.vielen paraphrase, listed historical monument, I do not know.

Is there a way to optimize this process, perhaps the HDV footage right to cut and convert it into a DVD-compatible material?

Regards,
Malte



Antwort von Olli:

Premiere Pro can importirern HDV material and cut.
I am surprised that with the avid will not do.



Antwort von koumbara:

This has been going with our AVID Einspieler makes synonymous, but has some "huge investment, the cost tens of thousands of dollars" with Time Encoder, etc.. Wiegesagt I have no idea of the technology itself and therefore need your professional advice

Thank you very much,
Malte





Antwort von beiti:

If the cut film synonymous sometime in HDV quality required, or is the result in each case, only a DVD? In the latter case, I would suggest editing the material is equal to DV quality. I doubt that the detour takes about DigiBeta qualitative benefits if s.end but for the DVD must be compressed in MPEG2.



Antwort von Markus:

"Malte" neo.arts "" wrote:
Shot in HDV is 16:9. For the finished product (DVD) is, however, requires only an anamorphic 16:9 signal.

Hi Malte,

In this case, your editor with the FX1 can even directly import the HDV footage as DV downconverted to cut and spend as MPEG2 for DVD Auhtoring. This saves you the entire external history, which is the final DVD so not needed anyway.

"Malte" neo.arts "" wrote:
In addition, the finished material produced in the detail view to the originals just looks blurred.

That the result in Comparison to the original recordings blur effect is clear: HDV has indeed a higher synonymous Resolutionals SD video. ;-)



Antwort von koumbara:

Thank you for your answers!

No,

The material is really only for normal DVD's needed.
The DV output of the action thus has no qualitative disadvantages (for just DVD's)?

Malte



Antwort von wolfgang:

But you should always shoot with an FX1 in HDV mode - and only then runterkonvertieren to SD. We just filmed in DV, then the output is qualitatively worse than when you film in HDV and runterkonvertiert on output from the FX1.

Whether it would have an advantage to shoot in HDV, capture as HDV and to cut, and then only from the conversion to DV editing program to make - well, when HC1 this route is of no advantage in quality. In the FX1, I do not know exactly. Perhaps because it faces who does what to say?

Immediately, the conversion of HDV -> SD for you probably really a cost-saving solution. In the medium term, I would smile at me, however, an HDV-compatible editing system. What surprises me - AL's already HDV-capable?



Antwort von Olli:

So, I would always try to work in the best Resolutionzu and cut, because you never know whether later not to burn HD-DVD/Blue-Ray.



Antwort von koumbara:

Thanks again!

So if I understand right, lasts the best option to keep everything in HDV and only at the last step - ie convert the DVD-authoring, the material.
The liquid that currently rules, we know our ...
Is there a "normal" computer to work with the cut in HDV just as smoothly, as one of DV is used to?
(As described above, we always have a DV copy of the pattern for the cut will be applied to the HDV footage has been.)

And now hopefully my last question:
From the HDV signal to the MPEG-2 stream, it is good the signal is already transforming itself (and what would you do it really professionally?) Or will be, it must be encrypted anyway Once again when authoring?
You see me, I do not know about, verusche to change that fast:)

Best regards,

Malte



Antwort von wolfgang:

What is a "normal" computer? Dual core, it should probably be for the HDV editing already, plus you should look at the Spezfikationen of AL. The HDV editing requires in any case, higher system performance.

And how well the HDV editing this goes, because at least I still missing from the reports of the user (I myself do not with AL) cut.

Basically you will get by with as few encoding steps, as it just kind of goes. So either you convert down the material immediately from the camera to SD - and cuts the SD material. Or you cpatured as HDV material - cuts as HDV - material - and then down converts the output from the timeline for the DVD to SD mpeg2. In the authoring tool should then of course not be re-encoded.



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
So if I understand right, lasts the best option to keep everything in HDV and only at the last step - ie convert the DVD-authoring, the material.
When the final DVD is really just synonymous, and no subsequent evaluation in HDV / BlueRay is planned, I would like the DV camera and cut spending in DV.
The MPEG2 encoding, I would be left to the Lord, who shall make the authoring (as long as you do not make themselves), because the judge can s.besten, so he needs the data rate. He then gets very future not DigiBeta, but a computer. If you have no data-full format to play off available, the film may have to be distributed on 2 cassettes.



Antwort von Markus:

"Malte" neo.arts "" wrote:
(As described above, we always have a DV copy of the pattern for the cut will be applied to the HDV footage has been.)

What speaks against the HDV capture as DV material to edit, output to DVD and also the cut list to be archived to the same film later, as synonymous with HDV can output version? So you can save you the costly copying step, without depriving yourself of the possibility of a subsequent HDV movie.

BTW: (At home in the company of my main profession), there are suggestions for a premium. Usually 10% of annual savings. How about? ;-)



Antwort von Johnny:2:

A small question s.Markus:

I would like to take this opportunity to cut only in DV to - but then a cut off list in order to later get an HD version. So far I've noticed, but the batch recording of HD material in PP2 not possible.
How could it accomplish anything then?

Thank you.



Antwort von Markus:

"Johnny: 2" wrote:
So far I've noticed, but the batch recording of HD material in PP2 not possible.

With APP2 I had been doing nothing, so I can not give you this tip. Maybe someone else knows what to do?



Antwort von neo.arts:

Thank you for your answers!!

Has helped a lot to me,

Malte



Antwort von Markus:

Hi Malte,

I warm to this thread again, because now something interesting about working with HDV, DV and EDLs in the journal PC Video
Hole Dir mal die (derzeit aktuelle) Ausgabe 1/2007. Der Report "Hübsche Zwischenlösung Offline-Schnitt: HDV drehen, DV schneiden" wird Dich vielleicht interessieren.

Oder hier den Report (kostenpflichtig) herunterladen:
article in the PC video




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