Frage von tazer:
Hello
I am totally inexperienced in matters of videos, but eventually everybody has to start ... So I would like to see a camera up, to mountain biking videos to turn. The videos will later be published on the Internet if the quality synonymous for DVDs would be the last course, not bad. Now I have no idea what cam for my purpose fits ... You should be in the woods (one of the very low light?) As synonymous with the free site useful images bring sunshine, a wide area, which is synonymous with up close (about 1 m distance from the route) can be filmed and if possible should be of course possible verwacklungsfrei filming could synonymous with no tripod. Farbkräftige pictures are of course synonymous always good.
I have no Ahung at what stage I am now off to my needs ...
Something in the style of XM2/VX 2000 needed? I think of the picture quality and ease of her surely the best solution, or am I as the beginning of the possibilities of completely overwhelmed? If the quality so exaggerated that I just set up a cheaper camera could take, because with the end product will not look eh? At the price I would think not at all times be the worst solution, you need is a big investment, but would certainly be worth synonymous fairly stable, if I notice that I am too little to come to film, the Cam, I would certainly synonymous with his good price wegbekommen.
Or a cheap compact? Can I order at a satisfactory result? Is a quiet camera work in such a small and light Cam even possible? Would of course nice if such a cam would stretch.
Or the middle? In the style of a Panasonic NV-GS280 or Canon MVX4i?
Or even a little outdated, like the semi-VX 1000 or XM1?
As you can see, I'm totally ignorant and somewhat disoriented, for a layman to see any kind of compact and irrespective of how the technical details s.Schluss impact for me is difficult to assess. I appreciate any help!
Antwort von Chezus:
If you want to film while driving or only when others pass?
Antwort von Axel:
If you want to film while driving or only when others pass? If you want other biker film, is your choice erste Sahne. In addition, I have a "Cam-Bike" prepare, a small 1-Chipper directly mounted on your bike and the other track. That must be properly synonymous wiggle, is for intermediate cuts. By - simple - design a camera mount, I come, what a practical one dolly wheel can be.
Antwort von crazy-spy:
tazer = flmag?
Antwort von dragster:
404ERR
Antwort von tazer:
I've probably somewhat misleading words ... I want to passing / jumping biker film, driver brings perspective in my opinion, the action usually is not so good being.
@ Axel: What Cam from my choice then?
@ crazy-spy: Yes FL-Mag
Antwort von crazy-spy:
I think that you are with the XM2 or VX2100 are well served ... The question is holding, how many euros you can easily make or want.
Chrigi and synonymous croissant, my knowledge synonymous senses recorder, filming with its XM2 yes, because you know the good quality of Rollin Soulride or so ...
You know yes Willingen my video that I have with its MVX250i of Canon made, priced well below the super XM2 and still images. If you like a quality sufficient for your project, then you are with the price sector well served. But as I said, how much do you like to spend?
VLG
Antwort von ///M5-Raser:
I've probably somewhat misleading words ... I want to passing / jumping biker film, driver brings perspective in my opinion, the action usually is not so good being.
@ Axel: What Cam from my choice then?
@ crazy-spy: Yes FL-Mag Then I recommend you the NV GS 500, or even of the Panasonic HDC-SD1EG-S of Panasonic. http://www.produkte.panasonic.de/product/product.asp?sStr=4 @ - @ 10 @ 21 @ 381@@@@HDC-SD1EG-S @ High | Definition | old-fashioned camcorder @ & = N & upper = & prop =
Antwort von Axel:
As you can see, I'm totally ignorant and a bit disoriented ... On the contrary, you have yourself well informed and the main advantages and disadvantages identified.
@ Axel: What Cam from my choice then? Who from our appropriated competence team could be better for
your decision you make?
Against a moving camera to decide the video robbing a strong stimulus, but synonymous, this is your decision.
Antwort von soahC:
bin for some time incomprehensible proud owner of the Panasonic GS500! Can I really only recommend (do BMX videos). Razor-sharp, short exposure synonymous with a great picture (until now I have time with shutter at 1 / 4000 in a gray sky filmed, there wahnsinns slow motion). The built s.der Page Flash Cam is very cool in your hand, if you ever lived without Tripod unterwegs bist! So every 3 thumbs up
Antwort von tazer:
On the contrary, you have yourself well informed and the main advantages and disadvantages identified.
Who from our appropriated competence team could be better for your decision you make?
Against a moving camera to decide the video robbing a strong stimulus, but synonymous, this is your decision. I do not hold still, how the different Cams ultimately impact on the image quality. You can see the difference between a XM2 and MVX4i in the final product? And would something like an older Cam VX 1000 is a good alternative? And vorallem: Counting shots in the woods too low light?
Because of moving cam "onboard" recordings I have yet no Video Bike convinced the speed, jumps and the difficulty hardly come across. If Verfolgercam as best as I would probably on the equipment of a colleague with a helmet camera back. Very good come over my mind with images of moving camera outside, so zBseinem rope. But this is just a huge effort, for the first time I will have when times in the shooting Foregrounding and dispense up biking.
edit: see the post of spy-crazy now ... it helps me very much of course, next, then I take a Comparison.
Antwort von Jan:
Do you or with the big camera is no problem with transportation?
If extremely compact then MVX 4i, but more for the automatic filmmaker. For the MVX 4i's just 2 small sizes of Batteries BP 308 and 315th
The Wide Angleist synonymous very streaky, and forty pairs mm, the 2 is because XM was 39 mm.
The optical stability, the 3-chip system, which included höherklassige Micro, the more stable housing synonymous may double the optical zoom can get you what, just like the built zuschaltebare Graufilter in too much light.
For both models, but the chain s.Ende by the PAL DV Converter the tape is written to the standard 576x720.
The 3 chips and the L Lens XM 2 bring but a better fundamental picture, just like their higher horizontal resolution by Pixel Shift.
If you want to do it properly, but much of hand operated (shutter, aperture, distance, white balance and zoom) as does the XM 2 much better, for the removal of the ring, the focal length adjustment with the great rocker - which one at various speeds can be adjusted. MVX 4i When you need to go through half the menu - The report is not designed, XM 2 has many functions instantly by pressing a button away.
Ich hab ne time synonymous with XM 2 was filmed very well, but I changed into the Sony camp, sleep light (AF and image noise), the better white balance (particularly in artificial light - if artificial light is enabled - true of most of the house, I know of Canon Anders just like the over exposure problems with too little light (spotlight) - but rather for a snooze light - it is now does not halt the Canon XM 2 strengths, in your pictures but it has a very good camera.
VX 2000 & 2100 would then have to be the Canon Zoomwippe of the zoom ring, and I work so often now, with something you can feel
press the zoom well. The XM 2 and its class is with the really really hard time, the cameras weigh just over 1 kg and more. Eventually you fall s.in of the hand strap. When it goes longer, I think that the Camera a hand underneath the camera (battery side) and just before a front zoom and focus ring so that you can serve both functions, which considers synonymous of "vulnerable" cameraman for a time through.
But the operating manual must be practiced, maybe you get under normal conditions synonymous ansehntliche pictures in the automatic.
The GS 280 would be synonymous to a variant MVX 4i, not only because of the 3 CCD, optical stabilizer, or the battery is better choice, but unfortunately it is 46 mm wide Anglemit still light.
VG
Jan
Antwort von tazer:
Thanks for the detailed info. Since I vorallem 4X and downhill driving is no big transportation issue, I have the Cam is not much drag.
XM2 cohorts and me are so appealing precisely because they make me the impression, by the weight and the sizes they can lead a peaceful and better use.
I have the video of Crazy-Spy (which with its MVX250i was filmed), now is of course difficult to estimate how much and how much compression makes the Cam, but I think the difference with a XM2 is already visible, especially in the color . Where is because a MVX4i or GS500/GS280 in Comparison?
I would be interested synonymous how useful it is to an older Cam like a VX XM1 or purchase of 1000. Silly, because now even cheaper Cams better pictures, or put on quite a good option?
Because wide-angle: the problem could be synonymous with an adapter solution to be solved, right?
Antwort von tazer:
Thus, informed me a little bit now and are available from the following options meienr vision for Choice:
- Panasonic GS300/GS280. If one reads the forum here, the images are apparently hardly worse than the GS500, the main difference is the focus ring, I need to? And how is it s.einem overcast day in the forest, because the cam gets enough light? The clear advantage would hold the price, yes, the GS500 costs equal 50% more. Very nice course, would be synonymous if somewhere I still would find ne GS250.
- GS500. Worth the huge extra cost? Furthermore, since I'm already priced near halt s.einer XM2.
- At a used XM2 save (or wait until one finally buy my bikes). Had the advantage that I would be safe for a few years would be fully served.
- A second-hand buy XM1 (eg here:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK% 3AMESE% 3AIT & ViewItem = & item = 190066835690 & rd = 1 & rd = 1). The gibts sometimes about the price of a GS500. What is the better choice, GS500 or XM1? All the audio features of the XM1 for me are of course irrelevant.
Would I have a few choice comments about the look!
Antwort von Jan:
The MVX 4i is the level of GS 280 / 300 / 500, because of the better photos (1 large 1 / 2, 8 "of the sensor so the size almost in some IXUS models is represented) and the compact design interesting.
For the GS 500 vs XM 2 had me here synonymous already discussed:
GS 400 - XM 2 Nonetheless, grade because I had filmed with both, I must say for an automatic is the better filmmaker GS 500 is a good alternative.
The looks are not as professional as the XM 2, but has almost a similar picture for the much better price.
Or even the GS 280 / 300.
Some Mehrfeaturers the GS 500 to 300 as the light increased Lens (1.6), the slightly larger sensor, the multi-resolution photos (4 million), the Viewfinder-up, the stronger flash shoe of the active system, which is a little stronger Battery, the supplied cable remote control, the movie (what I believe nothing will) make the most of little, Tonaussteuerung the sharpness of the ring and are probably their best "weapons".
But this is my opinion for the automatic film not worth 400 ¬.
Predecessor, the GS 250 - the GS 500 was synonymous not quite perfect - Vigntettierung (shading) - gabs about this great discus ions.
I am not sure whether the law better manual functions of the XM 2 what you get.
VG
Jan
Antwort von tazer:
Picture quality for me is not really important to make photos better photographer. And the compact design is rather suspicious to me precisely because it brings me nothing and I look at the handling and camera work in such a small cam difficult exercises.
Precisely because of the manual functions synonymous, I am not sure I would at other times because of Bike filmers Video inquire how many manual functions as often used.
As far as I'm still interested is because where would the XM1 (not XM2) in comparison to the GS500?
Antwort von Jan:
One XM 2 with similar features, but the worse snooze photograph. Rate the XM 1 but not so high - in & Processor chip technology, the past few years and done a lot of the XM 1 has some years on the hump.
VG
Jan
Antwort von tazer:
So, I have around me now and in particular the Panasonic models viewed. Actually, I was already convinced that the GS300 was the right, but in the Natura is so small that they no longer like me.
There must be a camera Henkel since synonymous when it costs more. I would zwe currently offers a XM2 for just 1200 euros and a VX2000 for 200 euros more, but with Alukoffer. When I see the test reports to look at scores, the VX2000 when Lowlight (for me but probably not so important) and in the sharpness, the XM2 to the zoom range, with two Zoomwippen and the Rec button s.Griff (very important feature for my area, since I do most things in only a few seconds short film settings are). The Sony is probably viewed as a high-quality, I see that right? What is the better offer? Net of the features her tell me more about the XM2, but I Sonyscheint generally considered to be better, and I need a suitcase anyway, the price is roughly the same.
Antwort von Jan:
The 12x to 10x optical zoom, I had suppressed for GS 500 GS vs. 300th
Let's say so, only in an emergency, I would with Canon XM 2 films, I always prefer the VX series. And when filmmakers actually Panasonic joyful.
Lowlight-less noisy and hellerers Picture
White balance - The Canon rarely true, the default synonymous for botch is artificial, I can not afford to make a manual
AF - I have the good eh rarely, if weak then the Canon but already well in poor lighting, blue & red light is then Exitus
Contrast problems similar stage shots, although you can improve with the Spotlight feature, the Sony's but they are generally more easily.
A zoom ring is not synonymous or bad?
May apply only for the most sleep-like light conditions, there is the old Canon, at least against VX and PD series.
2006, I had GS 500, XM 2 and PD 170 as SD Camera. Yes there will always be differing opinions give Wadik ('s I think) so here is a music video with an XM 2 reingestellt - what looked good. The strengths were there, but rather the good camera work and cutting / SFX, less the 2nd class of the XM
VG
Jan
Antwort von tazer:
Thank you, it shows everything out on the VX. Where is the record button on the VX? That on the handle, is the biggest advantage of XM, where the Sonyan is a place where you do not use it quickly, that would be a bit silly, and finally shoot the bikers a few seconds before the camera with, and then goes back a long time nothing, so it is a true stop-and-go.
But I have now discovered that one of my favorite movies with the VX was rotated, so should not be insurmountable obstacles. The VX is so clearly in the lead.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Where is the record button on the VX?. The VX2000 has two of them: one s.der back where your thumb is when you right hand in the hand strap has, and one on the top front right side of the handle. When Sony VX2100 successor incidentally Then a third - and a second Zoomwippe - on top of the gifts from Henkel. Small s.Rande Tip: On the Sony site you can view the manual or download.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von YourMajesty:
synonymous here I think mustard specify:
Had to use both XM2 and VX2000. The XM2 is here in this forum Biete grade sold.
No, not because they are not bad camera is not with God, the VX2000 can only everything a little better.
The points mentioned below for XM2 I write now. Similarly, those on VX2000. And in fact, it bothers me a little that no VX Rec button on top of events. VL werd ich doch irgendwann 2100 to change? ;-)
Certainly not instantaneous. Bin with the VX totally satisfied.
For me, all in all, simply a better camera.
If you are not on LowLight arrives, will you like the thick rich XM2 synonymous. But image quality was better than the GS500, at least in my perception - the GS500 had just 14 days ;-).
Regards
Tom
Antwort von tazer:
Meanwhile, a new offer, the decision difficult or rather easy ... A XM2 with Alukoffer, 4 Batteries, Wide-angle Converter, 2 video lights and Microphone (synonymous if I do not need) for 1100 euro is just too good offer. If this fails, the VX2000.
Antwort von Jan:
Do not be crazy of us make a synonymous DM XM 2 is in total a good camera. If your films, but often in slumber light sector, would be saving on VX / PD better.
Yes, the XM 2 is synonymous a little bit better than the GS 500, but you have to wonder how well the little one - in comparison to XM 2 & VX 2100-is, especially when I see the basic price.
VG
Jan
Antwort von tazer:
The decision is being taken, I got the package with the XM2 auction ... at 1100 Euros I could not resist, and take advantage of the VX2000 were for my specific area is not as important as sleep light is hardly an issue.
Now I probably just need a little accessories, I suppose s.auf each case a filter to the lens before the harsh conditions (stones, dust, mud splashes) to protect it. And then, a tripod, lots of tapes and perhaps synonymous nor a book to start (because what's recommended?), Then I hope soon proudly present my first steps to be able to. Thanks in any case for your professional help!
Antwort von Johannes:
Oh Oh! Think then buy.
So it was synonymous to me as I had spoiled the election or XM1 and vx2000
Now I have only problems with the xm.
John
