Frage von Marquee:
Hello, you Slasher,
I have a really urgent question.
Since my budget at the very most, utmost limit, 650 ¬ is restricted, and I need to hold a decent cam, I wanted to ask you professionals for advice.
My old movies, I always cut with Pinnacle Studio, from which you can see that I am a Beginners.
But, what is good in Cam Picture and sound on their travel, events and private productions?
Please talk me out a recommendation in the range of 500-600 ¬. I'm totally desperate (which you can take literally quiet), in deciding me zuzulegen one webcam; C
I'm not a pro, but wants to make synonymous with photos of the action.
QUESTION: vs. camcorder. Digital camera ... HELP!
Well, I think that Cam makes better photos than a digital camera, video, or?
na dann, ind this sense,
I NEED A CAM
LG
Marquee
Antwort von Marquee:
sorry that I twice posted, was not with intent
Lg,
Marquee
Antwort von nyc:
Hi Marquee
for the films, which envisions you so, it does a "normal" MiniDV Camcorder with 800 000 pixels. The quality of these devices is now very good (home users, not) the professional level. For your price range there are now synonymous with devices more pixels. Personally, I would rather confine myself to the 800 000 and other features for the same money (see below) prefer.
has s.Falls one device 3CCD chip, the video quality is usually better than 1 chip devices.
b) Inputs for external Micros are also of great advantage, because the sound quality with the built-Mikrofom is usually modest. Often you can not really close enough ran s.The sound source, then you can join directional microphones.
c) A digital optical image stabilization is very synonymous, or of advantage, because it usually turns without tripod anyway, although this is actually recommended forever.
d) important and, unfortunately, rarely is a good wide-angle. Towards the tele Cams all ok, but are usually very wide Angleist mau. With the most important accessories is definitely a wide-angle converter, especially if you want to shoot indoors synonymous. The best dealer in the test at maximum wide angle position and paying attention to shading, darkening and blurring in the corners. (Important note: switch off digital zoom, and in general use than in an emergency!)
e) If you turn möchstest long s.Stück away from civilization, is the second most important accessory a spare battery with s.besten higher quality. The included Batteries are often s.end after 60-90 minutes.
f An analog and / or digital input) is sometimes very helpful, but everyone must decide for themselves whether he needs it. The Manufacturer can pay for the good (because of the *#@§%$ legislation in Germany).
Since you a maximum price of 600th - aspire So you should fix the Kamerapreis low enough so that fit MF Converter and second battery still in the budget.
Photo to function: I bought myself a 5 MP digicam was the prerequisite for me that I can shoot it. My MiniDV camcorder has a photo synonymous function on SD memory card. And both are of poor quality!
s.Shooting with the camera is still so grad, 30 frames per second, creating the part, the Resolutionist somewhat low, the quality is naja.
b) pictures with the camcorder are horrible: almost 1, the MP is far too little (other camcorders are there but much better) and the image quality is howling for: impression extreme coloring, grisly picture.
c) Both devices are designed for their purpose and the other function is almost a waste product. The handling of a camcorder for taking pictures is bad, and handling a camera to shoot well.
-> Both of the outcome here as synonymous of the ergonomics two devices are better. Besides the trade-offs do not disturb you too much. Maybe you know another forum member a nice cam, which now can do both very well and made my contribution toward a specific recommendation. Such a device would be interested to know that is synonymous burning!
Conclusion go: to several dealers and have someone show different devices and try them out synonymous. (I would not recommend shipping in your case.) If someone in your circle of acquaintances devices, has lend it to you to get a feel for what's important for you and give up what features you can.
I can recommend to you but no Manufacturer and no model, but I hope the tips will help you in the (painful!) Search.
Chris
Antwort von Marquee:
Thanks Chris for your detailed Erläuterung.m I think my biggest problem I have already discovered. I can not decide between a digital camera (D-SLR) camera or a camcorder.
What do you prefer?
Shooting is good insofar as it moving subjects with Sound and sentiment over and over again can look s.TV.
Photography is synonymous great, because you shoot fine (perhaps synonymous deep) Photos can, and they can look at on photo paper. At
Motifs lacks s.beiden kinds of visual representation NOT.
I could tell you synonymous between the models which I will make up my mind and can ...
Camcorders:
Panasonic NV-GS280, NV-GS150
Canon MVX460, MVX40
SonyDCR-HC42, DCR-HC94
JVC no
Digital cameras / D-SLR (ie
D IGITAL piege eflexkamera
S l r) Canon PowerShot Pro1 (Digital Camera)
Nikon Coolpix S4 (digital camera)
Konica MinoltaDimageA200 (digital camera)
Olympus E300 (D-SLR)
OlympusE500 (D-SLR)
Do you know some of these?
What do you prefer?
LG
Marquee
Antwort von Marquee:
In the fall camcorders but Canon MVX460s away at Sonydie both HC42 and HC94. sorry
With the cameras, the Nikon Coolpix S4
LG
Marquee
Antwort von Marquee:
Sorry, but I have the
Fuji Fine Pix S 9500
... forgotten
LG
Marquee
Antwort von Markus:
sorry that I twice posted, ... Twice is good. After I had deleted two identical posts, there was still one in this column. ;-)
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Antwort von jolo:
Hi,
synonymous am desperate because I put a JVC GR-DVL have bought 355, but my Vorraussetztungen (in the price ratio are my eh too high) does not comply. In any case, it provides great picture, has video and DSC mode and has 800,000 pixels. 10x opt. Zoom and 300x digital zoom, digital NightScope so synonymous supplies at very good low light Picture, Image Stabilization. Just 2 weeks old, no signs of wear. Is included, remote control, shoulder strap, USB cable, AV cable, cable adapter, cut control cables, power supply, power cord, memory card (8MB), Lens Cap, Instructions, 6-month warranty. Under 300 ¬. Does not meet your prerequisites perhaps synonymous, but well ...
Tschöö
jolo
Antwort von Markus:
... synonymous am desperate because I put a JVC GR-DVL have purchased 355 ... What an ambivalence! On the one hand you're desperate, because you you have purchased GR-DVL355, but then you call only positive features of this camcorder. What's going on?
Antwort von Jan:
Camcorders:
Panasonic NV-GS280, NV-GS150
- The 280s is the first choice for the majority - particularly the digital stabilizer of the 140 / 150 leaves much to be desired
Canon MVX460, MVX40
- If anything, the 40s just a few advantages over GS 280, such as eg more zoom, better opt Wide Angleoder headphone output
SonyDCR-HC42, DCR-HC94
- The HC 94 is still in the neighborhood very well, the Zeiss T * Lens, the large 1 / 3 "CCD,
with Touch Screen and in the manual features (except zebra), only Sony Micro etc so that it falls through for me.
Digital cameras / D-SLR (ie
D IGITAL piege eflexkamera
S l r) Canon PowerShot Pro1 (Digital Camera)
- A good bargain now 28-200 mm Camera with large 2 / 3 "CCD, unfortunately, a bit lazy now, but very cheap to buy
Nikon Coolpix S4 (digital camera)
a novelty in terms of size with 10x optical zoom, I had plenty of trouble with the rotation mechanism (defects), the battery is good choice with AA / R 6
Better to wait for the Panasonic TZ 1 (April) in a similar size, synonymous with 10x optical Leica Optics, 2.5 "LCD with 207,000 pixels, ISO up to 1600 Gain
- Video 848x480 / 30 fps until card is full
Konica MinoltaDimageA200 (digital camera)
similar to Pro 1 - for me or a bad track, thanks to Konica Minolta's "bust-competitors" getting cheap now, was one of the first Digcam's with 800x600 video quality but only 15 frames / sec.
A pity about the Minolta Company, was once a German / Japanese company about 1940.
Olympus E300 (D-SLR)
OlympusE500 (D-SLR)
The Olympus SLR you have to love or not, because you do not have video capabilities, they fall out in the field.
Good are the sharp-aperture Zuiko Lenses, the selbstreinigten sensor, the SLR rate, the support of other companies look at the 4 / 3 system since Neusten synonymous Sigma and Leica.
A "combination device that Stillimage / video very well create the Canon MVX 4i with Videocam's great for the CCD of 1 / 2, 8" - 4 million pixels, RGB filter and manual level control. Stillimage's test were with Color Stillimage and VideoaktivDigital very appealing for a video camera.
Unfortunately it is not exactly cheap.
LG
January
Antwort von Marquee:
Hello Jan,
you were me then to the un MVX40 of the Canon of Panasonic NV-GS280 guess, right? The MVX4i I am unfortunately too expensive. Moreover, I find the 3CCD technology, the NV-GS280 totally appealing, which appeals to me somehow. Will keep up to the MVX40 with the NV-GS280?
How does the photo quality is of the two? (Will upload here jmd as the owner of one of these cams pictures, please?) Would you MVX40 of the NV-GS280 prefer, although the Panasonic's 3CCD?
I think that your camcorder to make better pictures than digital video, is so, is it?
Sonyfällt for me so far away, because there are no manual options. I found 'Sonynie the top group that can do everything.
Which holds more stability from (MVX40 or NV-GS280)?
I was at Saturn (DoofMarkt??) And I've looked at the NV-GS300. I do not know if I'm wrong, but the stability was so hot to me like before, I'm disappointed for myself?
Thanks to the answers to all these questions!
Marquee
Antwort von Acer:
Unfortunately, I have exactly the same problem, but I tend to think MVX40, which is synonymous to have more favorable. The 280 I can appreciate net that should be but is incomparable. Well, we wait for the answers from the pros, right?
Philip
Antwort von Jan:
Hello you,
times remain fair, I work in a Doof market. There are not just idiots.
The GS 280 / 300 is the newest video magazine - VideoAktivDigital law clearly won against eg synonymous SonyHC 94 / 96.
Stabilizer was in the test - Very Good - I can confirm.
The missing headphone jack, we had endeckt synonymous.
Digicams'machen usually the better Stillimage's.
Is similar to mobile phones, not just the pixels Resolutionist important but synonymous "the engine" - CCD and the Datenweiterverabrbeitung.
Almost every Billigdigiknipse has a 1 / 2, 5 "CCD, many Videocam but only 1 / 6" or 1 / 4, 5. Digicam's have some of the 500 class a ¬ 2 / 3 "CCD - Koni eg A 200 -- gibts at the first video cameras in the professional sector.
An exception is when the MVX4i with 4 million and 1 / 2, 8 "CCD is almost equally good Ixus 40 (1 / 2, 5" with 4 million) Stillimage's think.
LG
January
Antwort von Acer:
Hi Jan,
find ich gar net Saturn bad, so because of Ollie market, all here complaining about Media Markt / Saturn examine their own competence. I think the advice there, great. (But only Saturn Know Potsdamer Platz and Berlin, Steglitz and Media Markt in "The Castle" in Steglitz, competent!)
To my question:
Can you photo-quality random "assessment of Pana NV-GS280 and CanonMVX40, that would be very important to me somehow ...
Thank you for your expertise in advance,
Philip
Antwort von Michaela:
Minolta's "bust-competitors"
Hi Jahn,
What is a bankruptcy-competitors. Is this a new model of Minolta camera, or if they were the familiar bread capsule ejection handle for the Minolta.
Michaela
Antwort von MaLLo:
Hi
Personally, I'm going at the moment with my Canon camcorder very good. MVX250i have the very best 500 Euronen sB-get goods from Media Markt, but should normally not more than 600 synonymous costs. Has recently fallen dramatically in price, since there is now the successor series.
The colors of the videos I really liked it and all necessary connections such as Microphone, DV - In, Analog-In, etc. are available.
For holiday videos, the camera always goes, and synonymous when something like turning more demanding, then one is certainly not say so in the rain ;-)
The new 3xx series of Canon, I can tell you recommend synonymous, it is to my knowledge, the same equipment more expensive than the 200 series.
I would recommend you to try ei Saturn etc times to try out different cameras Manufacturer and look to what brand you s.meisten like.
MFG
Mallo
Antwort von StefanG:
Hello,
I read with great interest this thread and have already become a lot smarter. For I stand before the same decision:
Panasonic NV-GS280 EC against
CANON MVX40. The slight difference in price is initially no preference.
I almost tend to Canon, because of the somewhat wide-angle lens and due to the headphone jack. Now, I am yet again fallen into doubt.
I would again like to know if the technology of the Panasonic 3CCD along with the Leica lens (certainly not comparable with a "superior real" Leica) really the image quality of Canon.
Another issue would be the picture quality at night. The Canon has even allegedly receiving Nightshot mode and 2 lux than the Panasonic because I have found nothing. Do you know what that camera is prone to more noise in low light conditions?
The optical image stabilization was important to me. But I'm thinking take both cameras not so much, right?
Have you nor any other decision support regarding the two cameras? How it looks like with the menu navigation and haptics from the two cameras? Have unfortunately not directly Saturn einene etc. around the corner, around the time to check yourself.
Thanks in advance
Stefan
Antwort von Jan:
Hello you,
The company Konica Minoltahat to 1.3.2006 their business in most areas given up (incl Stillimage) Bürocom runs as far as I know yet.
Sony "does" Konica Minolta, and take out Sonywird but after all likelihood the best pieces, and quickly leave the rest.
Yes, I must admit it synonymous, there are some blind people (not the wish to learn / can)
The MVX 40 I'm not there when it is time I'm going to test photo's GS 280 vs. MVX 45i.
VideoAktivDigital the GS 280 has tested well in the latest edition.
Lowlight was Satisfactory (I had hoped for good - but I can not test it exactly like a Fachmag)
SonyHC 94 / 96 but had received same note, and the less light spongy Picture. Canon MVX 40 / 45i was I think a little tick better than the other two.
In Gesammtpunktzahlliste But see this:
GS 280 - 66 points
MVX 40 - 63 points
HC 94 - 62 points
yet lie together very close, no one is much better, only the equipment and handling functions are different.
Loose Lux figures do not say much, they show us how good the picture really looks at the declared Lux. Zb is the candle with a picture Sonywith 5 lux significantly better / sharper than a Samsung 3 Lux Picture. The company "believes" that looks reasonable at the specified number of the Picture Lux - but that is a matter of opinion - the Lux comes out tests with the exact number, are indeed synonymous not 100% identical.
LG
January
