Frage von motusArts:
Halo together,
I am currently looking for a camcorder with which I mainly want to make videos while riding the bike in the motorcycle and leave. Although I am in the video field from scratch, but as I synonymous amateur photographer ([d] SLR) and computer science professionals have, I know my way in the technical and visual basics a little bit.
Which brings me to my main concerns synonymous same: the image quality. Auflösungstechnisch would offer me SD. But what I really do not like are artifacts. Which of the major manufacturers (Panasonic, Sony, Canon, JVC) has here the best technique (mainly encoder I guess)? I ask because I have many videos on Youtube, Vimeo and co. 've seen that really looked good in SD, while others not at all. Would it be perhaps better to use it to HD and then runterzurechnen even s.PC with nem good encoder? Edit-HD directly to my calculator creates eh not exceed 720th Converting before editing would make me nothing, since I'm already accustomed to shooting from the (use) because only the raw format in the recording.
What I also would be important is that the camera can correct the exposure automatically as soon as possible. When driving in the Alps, for example, is it so often happens that one goes through a short tunnel. It would bother me especially when exiting the tunnel, if the picture is still ever overexposed.
The next question concerns the image stabilization. It is clear that I have to watch out s.Motorrad by an appropriate attachment to the fact that the vibration is not too strong transmitted. Nevertheless, I would be interested in the technique of which would Manufacturer s.ehesten suitable? The Forum of dropzone.com (engl. forum for skydiving), I have already learned of the Canon again, not that it would be well suited for their area of application of the technique Sonysehr. A few recommendations, it was synonymous for Panasonic matters. Because the situation is on the bike a little different (not a free fall, vibration) rather than by engine and road surface roughness due to wind, I would be interested, what have you done for such experiences?
As for the optics, I would Anglewichtig besides the general quality of the lenses, of course, the Wide. The zoom range interests me less, but it should at least be a little place to better select the picture to be. If necessary, I would correct synonymous with a lens (how much are useful because so?).
One question I'm still synonymous with a certain effect that I saw in some videos and that has bothered me a bit: (With rapid movements as they might occur in motorcycle videos s.Rand especially) the picture jumps more than being a liquid expires. Where is the cause? Could imagine codec or frame rate.
Finally, the question of which camera you would recommend? I thought price s.ca. 300 ¬. Can like to be synonymous cheaper, as long as the picture quality will not suffer too much. Synonymous with the wish to add that I want to try especially if the whole filming what is for me. If I notice after a while that it's nothing for me, I will not necessarily bother me, have spent too much money for it. Also, I think even synonymous next step for me and would be the case that I enjoy, then grow synonymous mal ne second camera to film while driving from two perspectives. Think that I with two convenient SD cameras, two perspectives and useful nem cut unravel better videos than with an HD camera. The HD enthusiasts may of course still try to convince me of their journey.
In the current cameras on the Manufacturer sites I came across the following things:
JVC GZ-MS120
Panasonic SDR S50/SW21/S26/S15
at Canon and it Sonywurde confusing to me because I would rely on your notes.
In the HD arena has given me ne colleague (parachutist) the SonyCX105E recommended.
In general, I am at Canon, but noticed synonymous Sonybeim idealo.de price comparison that these camcorders generally priced slightly higher than the level of the other two Manufacturer. The technique is synonymous correspondingly better
Antwort von domain:
The special advantage of the many camcorder models are not familiar to me but they should already have three properties:
1.) A strong wide-angle (probably only about 0.5 -0.3 intentions to reach x)
2.) flash drive (no tape, no hard drive)
3.)> = 1 / 4 "Image Sensors
The biggest problem is the vibration on the motorcycle. There are two philosophies, one empfiehltt to attach s.Rahmen the camera somewhere completely rigid, the other more of a sprung on silent blocks and base plate with Vibration Damping by weights s.der overall. In this case, the cameras are likely to survive longer.
Personally, I would mount the camera on the tank and converted me to draw a siphon and affix additional security ropes. On my BMW K 100, the tank has filled up a viable mass for the inertia and is stored as with all scooters in rubber, that is, two times already not bad conditions.
http://www.htw.at/neu/hebetechnik/pro.php?proID=158&lang=1&grID=63
Antwort von Winterbiker:
I use a FS 100, a XM2 and a helmet camera that I plug in s.The XM 2. The results are useful for my purposes. S.Motorrad Have a holder for a Manfrotto tripod head, because I can fix all cameras. The so-called helmet camera I can hinbinden with cable ties and a rubber molding everywhere. I am satisfied with the outcome, if it is synonymous only SD quality.
A compilation of all three cameras you find here:
Regards
Winter Bikers
Antwort von geid0r:
How about that? :)
Antwort von vertov99:
after possibility, I would do without sensors on cameras with cmos. precisely when they are mounted on vehicles found (vibration), the images tend strongly to the "wobble" (tags: rolling shutter, cmos)
devices with higher-priced, new is perhaps not so pronounced.
Antwort von motusArts:
Thank erstmal for the answers!
1.) A strong wide-angle (probably only about 0.5 -0.3 intentions to reach x)
2.) flash drive (no tape, no hard drive)
3.)> = 1 / 4 "Image Sensors
To 1: I just see that you can recommend me cheap but serviceable Lenses? How much would you spend it?
was to 2: Yes, the minimum requirement anyway ne of me, I forget to mention:)
to 3: Because I would be interested whether this is really important, if one can neglect the LowLight Properties ... In the DSLR world gibts synonymous always debate about whether the full format is better or not. The downside is there always mention is that the larger the sensor, the better the lens must be in vertical ...
On the other hand's turn has the advantage that you could shut next in better Photo Sensitivity possibly the Aperture for more depth of field (if it is controllable in the price range at all?)
@ Winter Biker: The quality of your video seems a very good and would suffice me really synonymous. Hab da mal synonymous researched this a little further to the FS100. First problem: people get only rarely, an alternative would be the successor. Since then there is the question to what extent have become better or worse. The development in the SD area seems to additional features such as Youtube upload limit and other useless things, the danger remains that the image quality deteriorates through savings, or how are there so your experiences?
The second problem with the Canon cameras: no filter thread. Is there anyway to install a way to Lenses and Filters? At Focal ner of> 40mm KB that would be needed in any case.
The great advantage of Canon's Micro-input.
How about that? :)
http://www.goprocamera.com/hdheropreview/
I've already looked at synonymous. But since I'm a little skeptical. The promo videos look really good, but what I would have expected otherwise synonymous. The quality of the videos on Youtube and Vimeo and varies greatly. Although I have not found a private video that looks as good as the HD promotional videos. When I'd go for a GoPro, it would be but definitely the HD.
The advantages of this camera:
- Large sensor (1 / 2, 5 "
- Full-HD and 720p with 60fps
- Ideally suited to its purpose (waterproof housing, lightweight, good mount system)
Disadvantages:
- CMOS sensor (with some vidoes Shuttering one sees the obvious example
Antwort von B.DeKid:
SORRY but the entrance Posting S.300, - Euro I stopped reading.
Kamm there's something really important?
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Motorcycle
OnBoard:
Fingercam with an external recording device
Manufacturer Sony used source for Schnittzwerk (Wiesbaden)
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For Always there - synonymous OnBoard:
HF 100 / 200 Canon - Raynox adapter WW or the originals of Canon.
Always there - but nothing for onboard:
EOS 500D - Lenses matching of any kind, depending on the purse.
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But what are you looking for 300euro - sorry - but this much will cost you nen Custom Made Cam Mount (depending on the frame) for the Moppedchen yourself!
Must believe me - my heart beats for over 20 years for everything that has 2 tires ;-)
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Purchase ne small Flash AVCHD CAM of Canon, Sony or Panasonic ... nen WW clever adapter of Raynox, a bag of Lowepro, a GorillaPod and one Billora Video Tripod ... UV / Clear Filter and 2 No Name Batteries replacement.
If then something else to spend money for good sound you want (which is recommended)
Nen MD players, and nen Rhode NT-G.
That's all you need to expose good settings.
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And the glue for "driving" can ne synonymous HF 100 s.den helmet, but since times expect ", depending on driving" no smooth steady cam shots ... is not so well stabilizer - whether it be optical or Internal.
So what do you do at home via the use of trim and features for Trackers stabelisierung of Clips! Since all cameras have their limits.
MfG
B. DeKid
If you want to cut really just beautiful stills and short passages VDSLR buy one like the 500D and combine Stillimage and video and you will yourself and your viewers can perhaps inspire you.
EDIT: Without wanting to come near you - would you go with nem 300euro helmet? "";-)) Depending on driving style
This is the painting my helmet worth ;-)
Antwort von domain:
Do you not so much thought to an SD camera around ¬ 300 -.
Ninmm just some Sonyoder Pana, who were on the sector last ziemllich tip and dedicate yourself more to the technically much more challenging environment around the camera.
And anyway, you must never forget that pure Fahrfilme for most people infinitely boring and only for yourself what will be special focus, so you need your quality standards almost entirely to yourself, and possibly on your scooter enthusiasts in the club.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Sorry domain but for 400 euros so he can buy things
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1001/10012603panadmcft2.asp
Pana DMC FT2 (I'll grant me in March when they appear, and hope that you will be better than my Olympus Mju 1030 which I lead for fishing:)
But of Stillimage or film camera, this option is far away - if it can be quite synonymous with what to do.
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Ergo: 300 euros is still a joke aka bad joke! That can not seriously meant sein.Mal times what it costs for a set of tires nen buck? Which one nudelt by pro Saisson. ) As an investment (Camera will still ultimately hold 3 - 5 years and bring good results.
There are 300 euros but ne total waste of desire imagination - PLZ, FACE IT!
Any recommendation in this price range is eyewash!
@ MotusArts
Quality costs more than 300euro - if you ne idea / ne idea you were - then you'll quickly discover that.
Have A Safe One (Ride) s.we use to say
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von motusArts:
SORRY but the entrance Posting S.300, - Euro I stopped reading.
Kamm there's something really important?
As you look at it ... Thanks anyway, that you have made yourself the trouble to reply.
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Motorcycle
OnBoard:
Fingercam with an external recording device
Manufacturer Sony used source for Schnittzwerk (Wiesbaden)
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Certainly, the ideal solution, but nothing for beginners like me ...
For Always there - synonymous OnBoard:
HF 100 / 200 Canon - Raynox adapter WW or the originals of Canon.
Well, then, is still schonmal a suggestion ...
Always there - but nothing for onboard:
EOS 500D - Lenses matching of any kind, depending on the purse.
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I've already tuned synonymous thought, but nunmal OnBoard is a must. Moreover, even if I would get ne 7D or 50D, as I've already ne 350D and 500D, the leap would be insufficient to justify the purchase. 50D and 7D are bigger and impractical for on-board and I'm still a little too expensive. In general, I would be willing to spend more on here, because it simultaneously ne invest in my other hobby, photography was.
But what are you looking for 300euro - sorry - but this much will cost you nen Custom Made Cam Mount (depending on the frame) for the Moppedchen yourself!
hm, well ... you can do it for the beginning synonymous exaggerating, I think ...
Must believe me - my heart beats for over 20 years for everything that has 2 tires ;-)
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with me for 15 years, 10 years of active, passive and the rest ...
Purchase ne small Flash AVCHD CAM of Canon, Sony or Panasonic ...
why do not necessarily AVCHD and SD? The HD parts yes gerademal to start at 300 + X. Even if I go up to 400-500euro, I find myself still s.ehesten s. below the end of the HD World. However, it is difficult even to me, more than 400 euro ne SD Camera to see (according idealo.de, the "big" cameras on 1000EURO and more times) than
nen WW clever adapter of Raynox, a bag of Lowepro, a GorillaPod and one Billora Video Tripod ... UV / Clear Filter and 2 No Name Batteries replacement.
Why necessarily LowePro? Hab nen LowePro Rover AW II itself, but also synonymous nen Billigrucksack / bag of Lidl ;-) to the Rover in for nix (stands Sturdy of different size, but does not know what would make a small LowePro much better around the surcharge to justify)
The rest is clear, WW Adapters and UV / Skylight filter were scheduled anyway, outside of the budget for the camera. As far as replacement batteries, if it were me stop s.liebsten if I could operate the camera via the onboard network (corresponding power supplies can I build my own or get). Mind. An additional battery will buy anyway ...
If then something else to spend money for good sound you want (which is recommended)
Nen MD players, and nen Rhode NT-G.
That's all you need to expose good settings.
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Good sound, yes, but it must be for like a Rhodes? Since I am a musician with band experience, the company is not unknown to me and I appreciate the quality. But on a motorcycle, that is onboard, so that part has nothing but lost. Mir's enough, a small air box or ESD Micro in-place nearby, so that it reasonably Windgesc
Antwort von domain:
Man motusArts,
I have not read all your last posting, because of the Dezimeterlänge already seen on the screen creates a presumption with certainty and boring.
Ev. You could be your major concerns in about 10-15 lines express condenses? ;-)
