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Camcorder für Neueinstieger mit der Absicht Kurzfilm und Dokumentation

Camcorder for new entry with the intention of Short Film and Documentation



Frage von hansuwe:
März 2010

Hello everybody,

If I may introduce myself, my name is Hans and I am niegelnagelneu in this forum. I'm glad now that I have found it and use it in future synonymous strong will.

For some time I thought the buzzing in my head about me fling a little creative in the area of filming. I'm now the last couple hours here in the forum and probed on a couple other pages and even a bit of basic knowledge I acquired. However, I would like to irrespective of what so far I could get experience in one or collect as many opinions as possible. So I bombard you with a couple times here, just ask in the hope of quick and competent help to get.

1st I want an HD camera in the price of under 500 - max. 800 euro buy in order to create short films and documentaries

2nd Of course, because nothing happens without equipment. Independent of the Camera I would like to know what there s.grundausstattung is essential. (; Tripod, micro, light, etc. ..)

3rd a very important point -> the video editing
I'm a MAC user and would do exactly synonymous s.diesem the post-processing. There are recommended programs?

4th is what I plan unrealistic? : D

many thanks for the reply Schonmal hopefully accumulating

the hans



Antwort von Videobodo:

Hello Hans
to 4 Yes
Bodo



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Hansuwe" wrote:
Regardless of the Camera ... would I like to know what there s.grundausstattung is essential. (Tripod, micro, light etc. ..)...

In detail, of course, it depends on what you want to film exactly, but as an overview of a small list is not exhaustive:
Camera bag or suitcase
Reserve Batteries
Tripod with 2-way fluid head
Directional microphone, possibly plus Tonangel and windshield
Hand Microphone
Microphone, possibly with spark gap
Headphones
Small light box (at least two headlights s.ca. 650W, reflectors, light stands, slides)
Head light (on camera)
etc. etc.

"Hansuwe" wrote:
... Am a MAC user ... there are good programs? ...

For entry: iMovie, which comes standard with a Mac here
Middle class: Final Cut Express
Superclass: Final Cut Studio with unbeatable price-/Leistungsverhältnis. Besides that Avid Media Composer and Adobe Premiere Pro. To what extent the latter is recommended on the Mac, it leaves us divided.

"Hansuwe" wrote:
... Is what I plan unrealistic? ...

No, why synonymous? You do not claim to turn on television or to sell your works.





Antwort von hansuwe:

Thanks for the great Schonmal quick answers. So at least for the 2nd

I'm a bit again yesterday hrumgestöbert intensive and am here to help of someone with a similar budget hit. He was recommended to buy a used canon HV30. then I have made on these very smart camera series HV10 - HV30.
The canon hv30 has indeed useful things like connection options for headphones and micro. fire as the fast data transmission and few opportunities for manual configuration.

can someone confirm my first good impression of this camera and I vll even to buy this advice? if not, there are more appropriate models in the price of sector? where I buy my camera s.besten?



Antwort von Replay:

The HV30 is not bad, except for the color separation. Because there are much better equipment. When red and green (and similar colors) occur side by side in a shot, the edges are represented garbled, the colors run into each other.

Now is not extreme, but still visible. For the HV30 in low light is very good and very versatile adjustable synonymous and thus allows all the creative possibilities.

A Buying used is always such a thing, especially for devices with cartridges. You never know how many hours a head of such a device has already been completed. The drive and the head drum, subject to natural wear and tear.



Antwort von hansuwe:

yes well, the frame rate as synonymous hv30 fit in my new purchase still.
you say it is passable in low light area? that was one of the few points in each of the test which I have been criticized on the hv30 gelsesen hab.

good good, I'll wait a while still hope s.and to other opinions on this subject.

if someone has a good and not too expensive to recommend Book, basics are explained in the picturesque movies then I would be very very happy about it:)

thank you for your quick and lively participation! super forum. I'll stay here!



Antwort von Replay:

The HV20 and the HV30 are good in low light, the HV40 is no longer. The HV30 has the best picture in this series in bad light. I felt it at least so because the camera was not trying to show anything that is not there (it was not so brightened). And the colors were synonymous with bad light, perfectly.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

http://www.amazon.ca/ DV -Rebels-Guide-All-Digital-Approach/dp/0321413644

The Standard Bible, so to speak ;-)

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von schlaflos011:

look synonymous times the 550D DSLR example of canon at.
I work in a media workshop with a HV30, but I would not grow cam with tape drive more. try since yesterday to recordings I make with a 550D useful ;-)

canon my first test with the new film:




Antwort von B.DeKid:

Yes or look yet at times the RedOne: - /

What to do if you please the one with a bloody Beginners 550D - except, perhaps, relatively good photos and even those are not gewerkstelligen rather spend the money where he wants.

But the accessories to a 550D which is rauszukitzeln but about the 3 times the cost.

- Lack Micro
- Lack of Connections
- Expensive Lenses
- Tripod

all the whole point. So there should be no 550D yet!

Nene Ne - but out of me buy you a 550D and in 3 months I buy it from you for 450Euro - thank you -)

........................

The test images are ever clean, perhaps NEN ND filter buy sleepless, I'd now like to recommend times Sun

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von schlaflos011:

- Lack Micro
- Lack of Connections
- Expensive Lenses
- Tripod

one needs but synonymous for the HV30. The sound is there, unfortunately unusable by the tape drive noise.

and 100 ¬ for the 50mm 1.8 lens, I find not expensive. For a bright Allroundobjektiv later times 400 ¬

But I know what you mean. Camcorder to Auto Mode, Auto Focus and be happy ;-)



Antwort von Replay:

"Schlaflos011" wrote:


[...]

But I know what you mean. Camcorder to Auto Mode, Auto Focus and be happy ;-)


This is about a newbie. So automatic and AF is first of all just right. The appetite comes with eating, so it is not wrong if the camera permits in addition to a good automatic synonymous nor manual settings. What makes Sony retirement.

The HV30 has all the necessary connections and synonymous manual can be set. Or films with the automatic.

As a tapeless alternative, but not synonymous Connections, the Panasonic HDC-SD66 would be perhaps worth considering. Good wide angle, excellent lens without distortion, without edge blurring and without CAs, of itself from a good sound, better than the HV30 lowlight and even more manual controls that do not stop even before the color saturation, sharpness and color temperature of the fundamental. And for about 400 euros.



Antwort von hansuwe:

sounds not bad synonymous s.and costs half times the degree that HDC-SD66.
only presents itself now to the question whether the lack of connections are moving up too much negative impact. that mean in plain text so that I no micro, no headphones and can not connect. un should get reasonably good sound recordings to an external micro yet been tuned to be right? how to solve such a problem? you have to record the soundtrack separately and then put over it later? or I am fully on the holzweg grad?



Antwort von PhilippT:

jo if you do not have a ton of micro entrance will have the record external ...

I own the hv30 and can recommend next without bad conscience. solid camera and tell the truth to me is the band currently recording s.liebsten still synonymous. The only thing that bothers me is simply the size. It's just me, but relatively small and would have preferred the technique of the hv30 in a larger bag packed for the same price but, well ....

The Upside of places I'd get me a camera and times after you realize quite quickly what you need yet. You will notice at some point whether you prefer the tripod and films do or whether you swing a tripod only to "fixed" recordings without motion are using ... Because of the light I'd thought I already do but try to use the cheap time opportunities. Probably the easiest is to work with a styrofoam plate, to control people lighten with the aid of the sun. I want to have lighting set always synonymous own but in the end, the rent is probably better variant. Here in the company, we have everything and there are simply many different flood light for all sorts of situations ... Dedos, Arris, Toperlkoffer, Desisti, HMI's, etc. Par. but these are things that come with time. I hope I'm not ausgeholt too far.

Calculate your budget with only one there with the purchase of the camera is not enough :-) unfortunately that is the disadvantage s.dem whole. One would then like to have this and that to .... the degenerates pretty quickly * g *

mfg philipp



Antwort von Wechiii:

"PhilippT" wrote:
jo if you do not have a ton of micro entrance will have the record external ...

mfg philipp


As is indeed come out just as the zoom H1 - or the MDRekorder variant is mentioned more often. I am more than satisfied with my H4n :-)



Antwort von kalle70:

I would guess the thread starter: Forget everything is up there.

No, better to read it again in 6 months.

First you buy a used Canon HV30.
Maximalzubehör is a 2nd Battery. Basta.

By doing this you're going to film the first time what keeps the stuff.

Date of birth of children, wedding of his sister, party, car racing, soccer .... and so what else is happening around you.
True to the motto: "Shut up and shoot"

After 6 months you realize yourself what you still missing.
Whether the camera meets the requirements or not.
What accessories do you need or not.

If after that time is gone the pleasure on video you have just purchased the basic equipment that you can quickly give back.

The most important s.Hobby video is creativity and passion for time-consuming job with the film medium.

To quickly once a reminder movies on vacation or birthday party to take it only takes the camera.

More should be Draus You already have a pretty good idea of what you need and what is not.



Antwort von PhilippT:

I agree with you for the part but with the 6 months is nonsense I think. When he realizes he needs a micro but then he should buy one. if not then he needs none. if he wants to shoot in tight spaces but he should get a wide angle to ... I find your tip very good buy with camera and film on it happening. Gain experience in the cut. Things to try. Just look what looks good and what's more of a ***** is ....

mfg philipp



Antwort von Jott:

Pretty good view of kalle70 think I do. In addition perhaps to note that the Camera compared with the anyway necessary tool for serious shooting a pillepalle-Posten, is virtually negligible. You notice, however, until later. The first camera may be favorable to you, because you will sell it again soon anyway, because you want to lose either the pleasure or just have caught fire and some truth.

synonymous not Give Money for software on your Mac is the gift of iMovie, and so you can achieve great results. Look at the tutorials.



Antwort von fly-italo:

"Videobodo" wrote:
Hello Hans
to 4 Yes
Bodo


I follow always the cynical responses here in this forum.

I do not know how to describe it, are somehow here the Beginners of the "artists" taught in a strange way.



Antwort von Wechiii:

Fly-italo "wrote:
"Videobodo" wrote:
Hello Hans
to 4 Yes
Bodo


I follow always the cynical responses here in this forum.

I do not know how to describe it, are somehow here the Beginners of the "artists" taught in a strange way.


strange taught - I was, thank god not taught this way to .. ;-)



Antwort von kalle70:

I think the answer is very apt.

However, a few more words would certainly have been good.

But it goes to the heart.
produce short films and documentaries with such a small budget
is unrealistic.

Like a previous speaker said, the camera is still the cheapest if you want to be approached fairly seriously and with competitive quality s.solche topics.
But further Batteries, Converter and a really good tripod already exceed the replacement value of this HV30. To say nothing of sound and light equipment.

But I think this is the thread starter not even aware of.

How did he know it is synonymous?

Therefore, he must first time "experience gathering" and have a camera and use. Then He is quite alone of the insight that it is not so simple but good films to make.



Antwort von fly-italo:

"Kalle70" wrote:
I think the answer is very apt.

However, a few more words would certainly have been good.

But it goes to the heart.
produce short films and documentaries with such a small budget
is unrealistic.

Like a previous speaker said, the camera is still the cheapest if you want to be approached fairly seriously and with competitive quality s.solche topics.
But further Batteries, Converter and a really good tripod already exceed the replacement value of this HV30. To say nothing of sound and light equipment.

But I think this is the thread starter not even aware of.

How did he know it is synonymous?

Therefore, he must first time "experience gathering" and have a camera and use. Then He is quite alone of the insight that it is not so simple but good films to make.



What is a good movie, everyone has a different idea of.
I recently got a movie of someone linked without comment, with the simplest of means was made. A user has expressed synonymous strange. To date, the user knows not that the film has won a TV station has a price and the film crew from the TV there yet caught up tips, the creator;)




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